Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 421: Hell in a Concession Stand

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His rant about Nasha not being just a portmanteau of Neville and Sasha but also the name of Dennis the Menace's dog might be my favorite UUDD moment.

Because he talks about it with such conviction.
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man enzo must really be hated if all it took for neville to grow frustrated with creative was losing to him after being pushed super hard for months
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3PIvkJxrL0
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Neville is an incredibly underrated promo and it's why I keep saying people need to watch 205 Live cause it really is the best show WWE is putting out right now.
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JetJaguar posted...

man enzo must really be hated if all it took for neville to grow frustrated with creative was losing to him after being pushed super hard for months

To be fair, he was booked to lose to him again the night he walked out <_<
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

can likely make more money than his WWE contract.

how much is wwe money and how much is not wwe money?
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WWE Money is modest but steady - neville makes the same i dunno lets say 50k for the year

On the indy circuit he might make 2 or 3 k per appearance right now because he is such a star right this second which is far far more than he would make per appearance with WWE and with some potentially even bigger paydays out there for him.
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Neville's gotta do more than $50k a year.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Neville's gotta do more than $50k a year.

Maybe $50k x6
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I feel like at least $200k.
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Neville$300,000-

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Yeah I was serious about the x6 bit
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Well then why put a maybe?
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I am just trying to put things in an understandable way.
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Jakyl25 posted...

JetJaguar posted...

man enzo must really be hated if all it took for neville to grow frustrated with creative was losing to him after being pushed super hard for months

To be fair, he was booked to lose to him again the night he walked out <_<

Should have done the job on the way out

He forced them to hotshot the belt since obviously you're not gonna have your next planned champ lose
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TheRock1525 posted...

Well then why put a maybe?

Because I was sarcastically making fun of Ed's lowball!
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Yeah cause the point of that post was to say he made 50k. >_>
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BTW, apparently the Neville decision might be related to the decision to axe Jimmy Jacobs?
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Damnit Neville =(
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Holy fuck Lio Rush is tiny. Maybe it's the staging of the camera or just how his attire is, but sheesh. Even Mysterio and Kalisto don't look that short for some reason. Maybe it's cause the NXT camera is zoomed in unlike the WWE stuff. Doesn't stop him from being totally awesome. That's some of the fastest in-ring work I've ever seen. It was like watching those bantamweight boxers throwing 100 punches per round without stopping.

Even so, you just know if he gets to 205 Live, he will show up and be Braun Strowman's personal baseball bat.
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I didn't even realize Jimmy Jacobs was with WWE.
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He was only a writer
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The dude from Wrestling With Wregret liked the Bray -> Abigail mess. I mean, he's under no delusion that it has to actually WIN to mean anything, but even being the sole person to like the situation is striking.

I just hate what they turned him into. Bray hasn't been shy about stating on podcasts that certain years were utter shit, and he was amazed at the turnaround before Mania when he became champion. If only he knew what would happen after he said that.
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Well, like said, I definitely prefer Abigail being a "possessed" kind of thing over an actual physical Abigail/Catrina type thing, atleast.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Well, like said, I definitely prefer Abigail being a "possessed" kind of thing over an actual physical Abigail/Catrina type thing, atleast.

This is my feelings, though I think visually it's pretty bad. Putting a sheet over his head and having him wear face paint with a voice modulator is pretty lame.

Now, they could sell me on it if it actually affects the way Bray performs. If he's gonna hit the same moves and basically be "Bray in Facepaint" (i.e. the Demon Balor problem) then it's largely pointless.
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Eddv's number might be closer than one expects. Indie guys are notorious for taking discounts to work with WWE.

At the same time no one outside of WWE makes 300k on the north american circuit.
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voltch posted...

Eddv's number might be closer than one expects. Indie guys are notorious for taking discounts to work with WWE.

At the same time no one outside of WWE makes 300k on the north american circuit.

Almost none of the guys on the main roster make less than 300k, according to some quick searches. Maybe Ellsworth? But, like, even Fandango makes that.
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why do you think jtg hid out all those years and made vince forget he was on the payroll
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Who is the new JTG anyway

Is it Sin Cara
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Primo?
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Mark Henry
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Huh, thought Epico and Primo were already released
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Can Darren Young be the new JTG or is that racist
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Surprise it's actually Nakamura. It's just that his phoning it in function is still good enough to be in the championship scene.
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What can you expense in WWE again?

Flights, hotels and some meal allowances right?

I know they don't to expense gas, car hire, no insurance and no pension scheme.

I know the main indie perk is feds pay for flights and accomodation.
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Now that i think about it, about 12 years ago i remember reading low end was about 40k for like fresh out of divas search Maria. HHH and i think Cena and Orton were the only millionaires on the roster, next was Mark Henry with 300k. Or maybe taker.
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But if 300k is most people now, theyre paying them better by a lot
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I mean that makes a lot more sense as to why people jump ship. Makes me even happier for the CHIKARA guys to, even if they never get any big pushes at least they are getting big paychecks. Good for them.
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I would take most googleable sources on income with a lot of salt unless they're straight from the horse's mouth-- or Dave's, I guess.
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How much can one trust Dave, when he claims that a pretty high number of guys make more outside the E.
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Lopen posted...

I would take most googleable sources on income with a lot of salt unless they're straight from the horse's mouth-- or Dave's, I guess.

To be fair, most of them are from Forbes, and the dude definitely did his research and didn't just guess. Like, WWE told them the average is $500k, and then they were honest about how much guesswork they were doing, such as

"Even when TMZ got a look at Randy Orton's divorce filing, noting that The Viper makes $291,666 per month - or $3.5 million per year - in salary, it was unclear where that number came from. The report also doesn't clarify whether that figure is base salary or all-inclusive pay. If it's the former, then Orton's total pay is likely well in excess of $5 million per year. Yet that's an estimate that requires a fair amount of guesswork because, as outlined below, the details of a wrestler's pay are ultimately difficult to determine even with a copy of his contract and WWE's public financial information."

So I'd doubt the 300k being roughly the low end for the men is far off

And with how people tend to jump ship to the E even with how they misuse people and how terrible the writing is, I'd doubt the pay could be bad.
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My guess it that the low end is a lot lower than that.
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Eddv posted...

My guess it that the low end is a lot lower than that.

You threw out 50k as an estimate. You aren't allowed to have guesses anymore. >_>
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AJ Styles makes 1.3 million a year starting next year supposedly.

That's all I really care about.

He needs to be able to afford product for that glorious do.

(Also, Bobby Roode makes 1.3 million a year).
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Cody claimed he makes 3x as much on the indies as he did with the WWE right

Money probably doesn't matter if you a big name talent/remain nonexclusive
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Cody is the perfect storm of just enough talent and a big enough name to be that guy - he also came along at the right time, when WWE started buying up talent so much faster than the indies could churn it out. There are of course other guys who could bump their current revenue by going to the indies, but that number is slimmer than you think.
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And to be fair, when they say 300k estimate for the "low end," they mean main roster men. Your Fandangos, your Nevilles, etc. Women, cruiserweights(that started there), and James Ellsworths make less.
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I remember Joey Ryan saying he makes more money than a lot of the WWE guys. And he works a lot of dates. Let's say that Neville goes out and gets grabbed by NJPW or ROH or something like that. And then he gets to work as many indy dates as he wants. He is set to make more money that way, I think.

I don't think Neville will be bad off at all leaving WWE. At least it has to beat being cruiserweight guy who will be lucky to be on house shows.
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StealThisSheen posted...

And to be fair, when they say 300k estimate for the "low end," they mean main roster men. Your Fandangos, your Nevilles, etc. Women, cruiserweights, and James Ellsworths make less.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-superstars-salary

Fandango - 300k

Neville - 300k

Charlotte - 290k

Alicia Fox - 85k

Ellsworth and the Cruiserweights aren't on that chart sadly. But I guarantee they all are in the 50k range for sure. Some will be higher.
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I wonder who is the lowest Main Roster guy still making more than both Young Bucks. Bray? Sheamus?

And where do the Bucks even rank among non-WWE moneymakers.

Kenny might make more, Tanahashi/Okada/Naito could and then you got Cody, Rey and Lashley.
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