Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 422: It's The Great Pumpkin, Sister Abigail

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voltch posted...

Wow, bret and Shawn having physical altercations backstage is professional?

Shawn implying bret was cheating on his wife is being professional?

Shawn's temper tantrum on Vader was professional?

Shawn might be a top level wrestler but i wouldn't call him a true professional.

Bret had every reason to be bitter for a good number of years.

Yes, even with all of that, they still went out to the ring and did their jobs. Thats what a professional does when theyre unhappy. They dont take their ball and go home.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

ScareChan posted...

So I think with Angle in we probably get Axel vs Jordan in some capacity

or Jordan runs in to save his dad in this no dq match

and someone has to interfere with AJ.I didnt watch Smackdown though so dont know if it would be Baron ornot

Can you imagine the backlash that would happen if they have Angle get jumped before the match and Jason Jordan replaced him?

I can actually see this happening, I hope it doesnt though. I want to see if Angle still has it.

Enzo loses, Enzo attacks Kurt, Jordan steps up. Sets up Enzo vs Kurt at Survivor Series like they were going to have Kurt wrestle at to begin with
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RaidenZeroX posted...

I dont think theyre right at all. The whole independent contractors thing is complete BS in my eyes.

You can say his body is wrecked all you want, but a guy with Punks ego would work through it if they gave him what he wanted, as I stated earlier.

Both Punk and WWE are going to tell the side of the story that makes them look best, and will omit things that dont fit their narrative. The truth is somewhere in the middle of those two stories.

I think they both have fault here, but because I dont 100% blame WWE and think Punk has no fault, suddenly Im the idiot in the eyes of all these super Punk fans. This is why I had the disclaimer at the start, because I know you guys cant take a single negative word about your guy. This is worse than saying something negative about Undertale or Metal Gear Solid.

THEY
ARENT
ENTITLED
FOR
HIM
TO
WORK
THROUGH
IT!!!!

It's called sacrifice for a reward. That he WOULD have worked through it if he was given what he deserved is IRRELEVANT to working through it for something he doesn't want to do.

Why would you waste Kurt Angle's return on fucking Enzo Amore?
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Also, Kurt Angle replacing Reigns might be the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.

That one GAB showed that WWE doesn't mind inserting random ass dudes into matches last minute, so them picking Kurt is so crazy. Is there even a potential storyline reason for this happening? Was Jason Jordan still feuding with Miz?
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What are you going todo, have him fight Joe again? Save that for a program. If they just want to see Kurt, having him beat up Enzo is entertaining
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Miz and Angle have had some heated exchanges in the Jordan feud so yeah it makes some amount of sense.
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And I think punk being a douchebag worked, when you have so few spots at the very top, only those willing to get ahead of the game get there.

Hogan, nash, inoki, Shawn, triple h etc, the number of guys who backstabbed or politic'd their way to the top is long. You can't just be happy to be there.

Cena never settled once he got on the main roster, the hungriest guys for the top spots are guts like Punk, Goldberg and undertaker. You need some jerk in you to move over the other guys in your way.

Otherwise you just become apollo crews
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RaidenZeroX posted...

voltch posted...

Wow, bret and Shawn having physical altercations backstage is professional?

Shawn implying bret was cheating on his wife is being professional?

Shawn's temper tantrum on Vader was professional?

Shawn might be a top level wrestler but i wouldn't call him a true professional.

Bret had every reason to be bitter for a good number of years.

Yes, even with all of that, they still went out to the ring and did their jobs. Thats what a professional does when theyre unhappy. They dont take their ball and go home.

Ironic. Since Shawn took his ball and went home...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Honestly, if Reigns can ME, then yeah. ANYONE WHO WORKS HARD should be able to ME Mania. Trips is beneath him. (At that time) By a massive degree at that. And while it's true they don't owe anyone anything, he didn't owe them anything either when he was fucking hurt. Punk did NOTHING wrong.

I can agree with you on Roman.

As far as Trips goes, they treat him like a huge deal whenever hes around. The guy has what, 14 or 15 world titles? Just because hes a part timer at that point doesnt mean hes below Punk. Would you have said the same thing about Taker?

Again, Punk would have worked through being injured if they gave him his main event spot. You cant say him being hurt was the big reason he walked out when he would have magically been healthy enough if he got his way. Why do I have to keep repeating that.
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

RaidenZeroX posted...

voltch posted...

Wow, bret and Shawn having physical altercations backstage is professional?

Shawn implying bret was cheating on his wife is being professional?

Shawn's temper tantrum on Vader was professional?

Shawn might be a top level wrestler but i wouldn't call him a true professional.

Bret had every reason to be bitter for a good number of years.

Yes, even with all of that, they still went out to the ring and did their jobs. Thats what a professional does when theyre unhappy. They dont take their ball and go home.

Ironic. Since Shawn took his ball and went home...

But Shawn lost his smile and was hurt so its okay, because he was hurt and thats he only reason he left!

Again, Im not saying these other people were perfect. Theyve done wrong too, just like Punk and WWE. The only difference is that you Punk fanboys cant bring yourselves to admit that your guy even has 1% of the blame, when the rest of us know both parties here were at fault and handled things poorly.
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voltch the biggest CM Punk fanboy.

Shame dude.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

RaidenZeroX posted...

voltch posted...

Wow, bret and Shawn having physical altercations backstage is professional?

Shawn implying bret was cheating on his wife is being professional?

Shawn's temper tantrum on Vader was professional?

Shawn might be a top level wrestler but i wouldn't call him a true professional.

Bret had every reason to be bitter for a good number of years.

Yes, even with all of that, they still went out to the ring and did their jobs. Thats what a professional does when theyre unhappy. They dont take their ball and go home.

Ironic. Since Shawn took his ball and went home...

But Shawn lost his smile and was hurt so its okay.

Again, Im not saying these other people were perfect. Theyve done wrong too, just like Punk and WWE. The only difference is that you Punk fanboys cant bring yourselves to admit that your guy even has 1% of the blame

0 blame.

And Shawns my favorite ever so fuck off with the can't say my favs have issues.

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

0 blame.

And Shawns my favorite ever so fuck off with the can't say my favs have issues.

You keep sitting here in your warped little reality where Phil Brooks is the second coming of Christ and can do no wrong. The rest of us will be in this place called the real world. Hope you enjoy yourself. This isnt worth my time anymore, if you cant even admit that Punk has 1% of the blame here, youre so dense that its not worth my time to even debate anymore.
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I'll take punk over that beta Ziggler.

I'll even take someone as overrated as Aries over guys like Ziggler who are why WWE isn't as great as it used to be.
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voltch posted...

I'll take punk over that beta Ziggler.

I'll even take someone as overrated as Aries over guys like Ziggler who are why WWE isn't as great as it used to be.

Are there people that actually think Ziggler had more pure talent than Punk did? Im obviously not a big Punk supporter, but even I think thats ridiculous! I had thought Punk > Ziggler was pretty much a given from the talent side.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

0 blame.

And Shawns my favorite ever so fuck off with the can't say my favs have issues.

You keep sitting here in your warped little reality where Phil Brooks is the second coming of Christ and can do no wrong. The rest of us will be in this place called the real world. Hope you enjoy yourself. This isnt worth my time anymore, if you cant even admit that Punk has 1% of the blame here, youre so dense that its not worth my time to even debate anymore.

He did nothing wrong.

In your warped world while he was hurting and dying because he would have fought threw that for a dream he had since he was 8, he should have been ok with jobbing clean to Horsnwoggle in 8 seconds at Mania.

Also, sidebar.

What group was worse, the Spirit Squad or the Mean Street Posse. Im guessing Spirit Squad would be better because someone from their group actually had success?
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Mean Street Posse was a band of idiots who was played that way the whole time

Spirit Squad was a band of idiots who were in prolific feuds and actually played off as a vague threat from time to time for who knows what reason.

MSP were way better. Ziggler happening to get some form of success after he ditched the gimmick is just coincidence.
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voltch posted...

And I think punk being a douchebag worked, when you have so few spots at the very top, only those willing to get ahead of the game get there.

Hogan, nash, inoki, Shawn, triple h etc, the number of guys who backstabbed or politic'd their way to the top is long. You can't just be happy to be there.

Cena never settled once he got on the main roster, the hungriest guys for the top spots are guts like Punk, Goldberg and undertaker. You need some jerk in you to move over the other guys in your way.

Otherwise you just become apollo crews

Unless you're The Rock, by all accounts
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

FFDragon posted...

I feel like it's already a lock for the goker.

With this AND the feud with Orton, the winner will just be All Things Bray Wyatt

Hey now. Let's not forget that like 80% of the Orton/Bray angle was great. It only turned to shit once Orton actually turned on Bray.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

voltch posted...

I'll take punk over that beta Ziggler.

I'll even take someone as overrated as Aries over guys like Ziggler who are why WWE isn't as great as it used to be.

Are there people that actually think Ziggler had more pure talent than Punk did? Im obviously not a big Punk supporter, but even I think thats ridiculous! I had thought Punk > Ziggler was pretty much a given from the talent side.

Ziggler's better technically and fundamentally

Punk blows him away at psychology though
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Jakyl25 posted...

Unless you're The Rock, by all accounts

Rock definitely had some form of nepotism working for him with the Samoan mafia

Blossoming into being damn good at what you do certainly doesn't hurt, but to say he had no sort of political stuff going for him would be misleading I feel. Without that he probably doesn't advance past the Rocky Maivia stage
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Ziggler is hbk with no motivation who costs you money by cooling your heat in feuds.

Punk bolstered a lot of his opponent's heat by feuding with them while elevating himself at the same time.

Poor Rusev, he didn't deserve to be put in a feud with Ziggler. Only thing worse would have been a feud with actual scum bray wyatt.
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voltch posted...

And I think punk being a douchebag worked, when you have so few spots at the very top, only those willing to get ahead of the game get there

So youre saying that its all about the game, and how you play *RKOd out of nowhere*
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Ziggler is HBK who doesn't know when to slow down.
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Oh I just meant that you really NEVER hear shit about Rock wielding backstage power in ways that diminish others

And his willingness to lose is well documented
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Lopen posted...

Ziggler is HBK who doesn't know when to slow down.

I would pay money to watch the iron man match but Zigglers soul took over Shawn for the hour...

Sure. I'm saying he subtly had backstage powers working in his favor even if he didn't willfully use them.

Rock was given that luxury because of his connections. In the absence of those coming in, you need to politic.
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Unless you're billy gunn, though I am thankful the rock buried him.
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Hurricane beating Rock still one of the best RAW matches.
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https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan/status/921509111140716545
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So, someone not biased agianst Punk.

Let me ask, Scarlet JaKyL etc, do
You think Punk did anytbing wrong when he actually left?

Whiskey_Nick posted...

https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan/status/921509111140716545

This was inevitable

Whiskey_Nick posted...

https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan/status/921509111140716545

If hes been told by a bunch of professionals (as its been reported he has) that hes safe to return to the ring and the lesions thing was overblown, I really want to see him perform again.
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Even if Bryan shouldn't be wrestling, there is no way he's in worse shape than Kurt Angle.

Of course with 8 guys in the match Kurt could concievably get away with doing very little, but you know that won't be the case. You know he's taking some ridiculous bump.
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JetJaguar posted...

Hey now. Let's not forget that like 80% of the Orton/Bray angle was great. It only turned to shit once Orton actually turned on Bray.

This is true, I'll admit. The parts that I'd be down for Wrestlecrap inducting for Bray Wyatt are everything that happened after Orton burned Bray's shed/cult house down, most notably their match at WM33, (reinducting) their House of Horrors match, and everything about the Finn/Bray feud. Hell, even the brief feud with Rollins could get included.

Also in the progress it ruined Luke Harper, though I'm trying to be optimistic about the Bludgeon Brothers now, cause at least Harper and Rowan are doing something semi decent.
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People don't understand what I mean when I say that wrestling is most fun if you understand it's just stupid fun.

Lately the thing I show them to make that point is Orton burning down Bray Wyatt's shed and his sister's corpse and fucking posing it. I love that segment so much.
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TBH I still think Bray should have gone over at Mania and stayed champion

Feel like SD card would be a bit more interesting if that was the case
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Orton burning down Bray's house was hilariously awesome and the high point of that story. Everything Wyatt related has been garbage since then (besides the brief teasing of Harper getting an actual push against Bray but that went nowhere anyway)
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TBH I think AJ should have gone over at Elimination Chamber and stayed champion
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I mean, I'm pretty sure none of us really care about Jinder as champion. Especially after this hideous Nakamura feud and the Punjabi Prison. At the very least though, I think that the Smackdown writers understood what to do with Bray's character better than the RAW writers do. An extended Bray reign would have been much more enjoyable, especially if they let him keep his "power up". Why not do some ridiculous god stuff at Mania instead of "Let me do a backwards crab and show you some maggots on the ring."
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For as terrible as this Jinder reign has been I'm convinced Bray would be about as bad. Dude hasn't had much substance ever, really. Not particularly good in the ring, either-- can be carried better than Jinder but that's the extent of it.

At least Jinder's gimmick gels better with current day WWE.
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Late to this news, holy shit. I've been convinced to watch this PPV now.
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

So, someone not biased agianst Punk.

Let me ask, Scarlet JaKyL etc, do
You think Punk did anytbing wrong when he actually left?

Everything he did was within his rights

Morally, I feel like he should have put someone over on the way out

No, getting eliminated and choke slammed by Kane at the Rumble doesn't count
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https://twitter.com/impactwrestling/status/921460685955063808

Who wants TNA Pizza?

Does it have six sides?
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Catching up on the topic

-Interesting PPV changes.
-Not really sure how anyone can say they don't understand how Nia Jax would be mad if she actually was. They portray her as this monster that should run all over the division, but then anytime she gets anywhere even close to the title, she jobs out to somebody like Sasha.
-Spirit Squad were totally credible as the slight threat they were painted as. They were portrayed as 5 very athletic men, and they were typically only ever a threat when they got to take advantage of that.
-Punk technically did nothing wrong. But in a "How to not be a douchebag" way, he totally did everything wrong.
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Jakyl25 posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

So, someone not biased agianst Punk.

Let me ask, Scarlet JaKyL etc, do
You think Punk did anytbing wrong when he actually left?

Everything he did was within his rights

Morally, I feel like he should have put someone over on the way out

No, getting eliminated and choke slammed by Kane at the Rumble doesn't count

He was hurt, and morally he didn't owe anyone further harm to his body on the way out.

But even pretend he would do that. Who would he put over?

He had already put over Reigns, Orton, Cena, Rock, Taker, Hunter, etc...

So who? Hunter again?

Batista?

Am Drag?

The one sure fire thing that could have cost him some fans would have been retiring Punk.

StealThisSheen posted...

Catching up on the topic

-Interesting PPV changes.
-Not really sure how anyone can say they don't understand how Nia Jax would be mad if she actually was. They portray her as this monster that should run all over the division, but then anytime she gets anywhere even close to the title, she jobs out to somebody like Sasha.
-Spirit Squad were totally credible as the slight threat they were painted as. They were portrayed as 5 very athletic men, and they were typically only ever a threat when they got to take advantage of that.
-Punk technically did nothing wrong. But in a "How to not be a douchebag" way, he totally did everything wrong.

Thank you

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

He was hurt, and morally he didn't owe anyone further harm to his body on the way out.

But even pretend he would do that. Who would he put over?

He had already put over Reigns, Orton, Cena, Rock, Taker, Hunter, etc...

So who? Hunter again?

Batista?

Am Drag?

The one sure fire thing that could have cost him some fans would have been retiring Punk.

Even if it was just Orton to further his heel push to WM, that's better than walking out.

Also there's Rollins, Ambrose, Bray
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