Current Events > Do you truly believe da Alt Right and Antifa are EQUALLY as bad?

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I don't recognize any of those faces and how did the alt right murder them? Also, people murder people. Not ideologies.

Also still, you realize Antifa exists outside of the U.S. and has been around for decades, and globally leftist/communist terrorism is second only to Islamic terrorism? Antifa's hands aren't clean.
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the only people who think so are the ones afraid of being punched for being a Nazi

And they probably think antifa is worse because an occasional punch is somehow worse than a long history of murders
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If you define yourself by a movement, you are a crazy idiot.
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I think both groups are pieces of shit, except that the alt right is on a higher tier.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

globally leftist/communist terrorism is second only to Islamic terrorism

US terrorism leaves both in the dust
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gunplagirl posted...

the only people who think so are the ones afraid of being punched for being a Nazi

And they probably think antifa is worse because an occasional punch is somehow worse than a long history of murders

Communists which is who Antifa basically are, has a even bigger death toll than fascism LOL.

-Tennesse church shooting
-Weis Market shooting
-"Kill frat boys" U of T stabbing

Plus, antifa was put on terrorist watchlists for the FBI and DHS going as far back as the Obama Administration.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

Violence should be opposed no matter what side it comes from, and dialogue and understanding promoted.

Not equally, no. Unfortunately, this naturally pivots into what everyone seems to be falling for; the the enemy of my enemy is my friend crap in a universe where its possible to be too cold or too hot. Mind you, Germany in the 1930s or whatever elected the Nazis in because they were better than the communists. Communists are bad. Nazis are bad.

Nazis are bad. Antifa is bad. There is no false dichotomy here, its not one or the other, lesser of two evils crap. If you call yourself a law abiding citizen with the best interests in your community, then you wont settle for a society that accepts either of these evils.
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Restrain posted...

-Tennesse church shooting
-Weis Market shooting
-"Kill frat boys" U of T stabbing

Plus, antifa was put on terrorist watchlists for the FBI and DHS going as far back as the Obama Administration.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

Violence should be opposed no matter what side it comes from, and dialogue and understanding promoted.

don't forget the baseball field.
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Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.

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Newhopes posted...

gunplagirl posted...

the only people who think so are the ones afraid of being punched for being a Nazi

And they probably think antifa is worse because an occasional punch is somehow worse than a long history of murders

Communists which is who Antifa basically are, has a even bigger death toll than fascism LOL.

Funny, people use the "neo Nazis aren't Nazis" argument to erase their death toll yet they gladly do that against antifa who, while many outspoken ones are communist, aren't even in the same branches of communism that descended from those ones with death tolls. Plus the whole "capitalists purposely destroying their crops rather than selling to the communists who took over Russia and surrounding nations" thing which was a major contribution to the starvations. But hey, go ahead and deflect.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them
Nazis: create a white ethnostate that won't provide for the poor whites who are not murdered

For other totally asinine statements, see also
Tacos and skyscrapers are different sides of the same coin
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Restrain posted...

-Tennesse church shooting
-Weis Market shooting
-"Kill frat boys" U of T stabbing

Plus, antifa was put on terrorist watchlists for the FBI and DHS going as far back as the Obama Administration.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

Violence should be opposed no matter what side it comes from, and dialogue and understanding promoted.

And the trump administration has removed white nationalists from being targeted for investigation so it hardly even is a reasonable point in the greater context of right now
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gunplagirl posted...

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them

Yeah, we see how well that has worked out in the USSR, and is now happening in South America.
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m_mungmung posted...

Not equally, no. Unfortunately, this naturally pivots into what everyone seems to be falling for; the the enemy of my enemy is my friend crap in a universe where its possible to be too cold or too hot. Mind you, Germany in the 1930s or whatever elected the Nazis in because they were better than the communists. Communists are bad. Nazis are bad.

Nazis are bad. Antifa is bad. There is no false dichotomy here, its not one or the other, lesser of two evils crap. If you call yourself a law abiding citizen with the best interests in your community, then you wont settle for a society that accepts either of these evils.

Get rid of fascists like nazis and antifa won't exist anymore.
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gunplagirl posted...

Funny, people use the "neo Nazis aren't Nazis" argument to erase their death toll yet they gladly do that against antifa who, while many outspoken ones are communist, aren't even in the same branches of communism that descended from those ones with death tolls.

Or, maybe they're just saying people should be consistent and not hold double standards. One side is nazis + non fascists and the other is communists + non socialists. Applying guilt by association logic to one side but not the other makes one look disingenuous.

I truly believe that I don't care about either of them
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gunplagirl posted...

m_mungmung posted...

Not equally, no. Unfortunately, this naturally pivots into what everyone seems to be falling for; the the enemy of my enemy is my friend crap in a universe where its possible to be too cold or too hot. Mind you, Germany in the 1930s or whatever elected the Nazis in because they were better than the communists. Communists are bad. Nazis are bad.

Nazis are bad. Antifa is bad. There is no false dichotomy here, its not one or the other, lesser of two evils crap. If you call yourself a law abiding citizen with the best interests in your community, then you wont settle for a society that accepts either of these evils.

Get rid of fascists like nazis and antifa won't exist anymore.

Get rid of how?

Like imprison them?
Kill them?

How do you propose to "get rid of" an entire idea? Hitler also tried to get rid of communists and we saw how that ended up.

The Muslim woman (Nabra Hassanen) in the first pic was raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant from Latin America. Leftists originally tried to pin the blame on a "white racist" Trump supporter. This resulted in a lot of deleted tweets from stupid leftist journalists, as the story went from left-wing propaganda against white people to right-wing propaganda against illegal immigrants and...Leftists. The white men in pics 3 and 4 were murdered by a BernieBro who once went to a Trump rally giving Nazi salutes to make the Trump supporters there look bad, or "peckerword hillbilly rednecks", to use his own words. But because he hated all monotheistic religion (including Islam, which sparked the murders), the left-wing media, including the SPLC, tried to paint him as "alt-Right" (his hate toward Islam was not rooted in alt-right ideology). Indeed, the Washington Post actually edited a Facebook post of his to make him look like a "White Nationalist" (he was nothing of the sort, instead advocating that all racists be given their own lands while the "normal people" like him get their own). I can't recognize the other people (except for 5, who was killed by someone associated with the alt-Right), and given the errors in the first four pics, I don't trust the rest.

deanshow posted...

I think both groups are pieces of shit, except that the alt right is on a higher tier.

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CarlGrimes posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them

Yeah, we see how well that has worked out in the USSR, and is now happening in South America.

So as I stated in a higher comment, there were farmers unwilling to sell to the Russians. They burned their crops, even. And this was after a massive drought.

As for south america, I'm pretty sure there's several dozen governments and if you can't even name a country you have in mind with this post, well... It means you aren't even using Google just to make sure you have your countries right.
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gunplagirl posted...

As for south america, I'm pretty sure there's several dozen governments and if you can't even name a country you have in mind with this post, well... It means you aren't even using Google just to make sure you have your countries right.

Venezuela. Happy?
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gunplagirl posted...

Funny, people use the "neo Nazis aren't Nazis" argument to erase their death toll yet they gladly do that against antifa who, while many outspoken ones are communist, aren't even in the same branches of communism that descended from those ones with death tolls.

Or, maybe they're just saying people should be consistent and not hold double standards. One side is nazis + non fascists and the other is communists + non socialists. Applying guilt by association logic to one side but not the other makes one look disingenuous.

The alt right all hold fascist ideals, that's core to the entire movement. Are you really saying that people who associate with Nazis aren't at least tolerating fascists?
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psvitantifail posted...

Restrain posted...

-Tennesse church shooting
-Weis Market shooting
-"Kill frat boys" U of T stabbing

Plus, antifa was put on terrorist watchlists for the FBI and DHS going as far back as the Obama Administration.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

Violence should be opposed no matter what side it comes from, and dialogue and understanding promoted.

don't forget the baseball field.

Those were not "Antifa". The "Kill frat boys" U of T stabbing" was not related to any political ideology. Only the baseball field shooting was.

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gunplagirl posted...

m_mungmung posted...

Not equally, no. Unfortunately, this naturally pivots into what everyone seems to be falling for; the the enemy of my enemy is my friend crap in a universe where its possible to be too cold or too hot. Mind you, Germany in the 1930s or whatever elected the Nazis in because they were better than the communists. Communists are bad. Nazis are bad.

Nazis are bad. Antifa is bad. There is no false dichotomy here, its not one or the other, lesser of two evils crap. If you call yourself a law abiding citizen with the best interests in your community, then you wont settle for a society that accepts either of these evils.

Get rid of fascists like nazis and antifa won't exist anymore.

Get rid of how?

Like imprison them?
Kill them?

How do you propose to "get rid of" an entire idea? Hitler also tried to get rid of communists and we saw how that ended up.

And how did America treat the Nazis? There was an entire war. Killed Nazis left and right. To this day, will still pursue any former leader for war crimes. And Germany plus most of Europe in the time since has completely banned any sort of Nazi items or messages supporting them. That's how you get rid of them.
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gunplagirl posted...

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gunplagirl posted...

Funny, people use the "neo Nazis aren't Nazis" argument to erase their death toll yet they gladly do that against antifa who, while many outspoken ones are communist, aren't even in the same branches of communism that descended from those ones with death tolls.

Or, maybe they're just saying people should be consistent and not hold double standards. One side is nazis + non fascists and the other is communists + non socialists. Applying guilt by association logic to one side but not the other makes one look disingenuous.

The alt right all hold fascist ideals, that's core to the entire movement. Are you really saying that people who associate with Nazis aren't at least tolerating fascists?

As long as you're not violent and don't try to oppress others, I don't care what your ideals are.

Communist or Fascist.

I wish alt-right vs. antifa would settle their differences through a tennis tournament or a series of dance dance revolution competitions, instead of destabilizing the country I love so much through street fighting and retaliatory violence. I do not want to live through a 2nd civil war and that's both of their god dman faults if shit goes south.

gunplagirl posted...

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gunplagirl posted...

m_mungmung posted...

Not equally, no. Unfortunately, this naturally pivots into what everyone seems to be falling for; the the enemy of my enemy is my friend crap in a universe where its possible to be too cold or too hot. Mind you, Germany in the 1930s or whatever elected the Nazis in because they were better than the communists. Communists are bad. Nazis are bad.

Nazis are bad. Antifa is bad. There is no false dichotomy here, its not one or the other, lesser of two evils crap. If you call yourself a law abiding citizen with the best interests in your community, then you wont settle for a society that accepts either of these evils.

Get rid of fascists like nazis and antifa won't exist anymore.

Get rid of how?

Like imprison them?
Kill them?

How do you propose to "get rid of" an entire idea? Hitler also tried to get rid of communists and we saw how that ended up.

And how did America treat the Nazis? There was an entire war. Killed Nazis left and right. To this day, will still pursue any former leader for war crimes. And Germany plus most of Europe in the time since has completely banned any sort of Nazi items or messages supporting them. That's how you get rid of them.

So you're proposing the mass slaughter of American citizens based on thought crimes...?

How does that not make you as bad as a Nazi?

People that support Antifa are just as fucking dumb as the people who support the Alt Right to me.
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gunplagirl posted...

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gunplagirl posted...

Funny, people use the "neo Nazis aren't Nazis" argument to erase their death toll yet they gladly do that against antifa who, while many outspoken ones are communist, aren't even in the same branches of communism that descended from those ones with death tolls.

Or, maybe they're just saying people should be consistent and not hold double standards. One side is nazis + non fascists and the other is communists + non socialists. Applying guilt by association logic to one side but not the other makes one look disingenuous.

The alt right all hold fascist ideals, that's core to the entire movement. Are you really saying that people who associate with Nazis aren't at least tolerating fascists?

As long as you're not violent and don't try to oppress others, I don't care what your ideals are.

Communist or Fascist.

I wish alt-right vs. antifa would settle their differences through a tennis tournament or a series of dance dance revolution competitions, instead of destabilizing the country I love so much through street fighting and retaliatory violence. I do not want to live through a 2nd civil war and that's both of their god dman faults if shit goes south.

What's your opinion on the police and US military, if that's your view?

Also now I want to was watch prince of tennis again darn it
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OP sure isn't biased at all.
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Does anyone recognize the men and women in pics 6-17? I want to see how much more of this meme is bullshit left-wing propaganda.

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gunplagirl posted...

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gunplagirl posted...

m_mungmung posted...

Not equally, no. Unfortunately, this naturally pivots into what everyone seems to be falling for; the the enemy of my enemy is my friend crap in a universe where its possible to be too cold or too hot. Mind you, Germany in the 1930s or whatever elected the Nazis in because they were better than the communists. Communists are bad. Nazis are bad.

Nazis are bad. Antifa is bad. There is no false dichotomy here, its not one or the other, lesser of two evils crap. If you call yourself a law abiding citizen with the best interests in your community, then you wont settle for a society that accepts either of these evils.

Get rid of fascists like nazis and antifa won't exist anymore.

Get rid of how?

Like imprison them?
Kill them?

How do you propose to "get rid of" an entire idea? Hitler also tried to get rid of communists and we saw how that ended up.

And how did America treat the Nazis? There was an entire war. Killed Nazis left and right. To this day, will still pursue any former leader for war crimes. And Germany plus most of Europe in the time since has completely banned any sort of Nazi items or messages supporting them. That's how you get rid of them.

So you're proposing the mass slaughter of American citizens based on thought crimes...?

How does that not make you as bad as a Nazi?

So you completely missed the BANNED IN EUROPE part and how we still pursue the former leaders with world courts?

If they refuse to change then yes, imprison them. If it comes to it, they might need to be killed but only if they refuse to comply. As for the differences between them and I?

If somebody wants to destroy the kill others and their cohorts with similar views have a history of murder and they're armed, and they want to kill you. Would not you agree that wanting them stopped by any means, so they can't hurt anyone ever again, is more in line with self defense? They want to kill to create a white ethnostate. We only want to use violence to make them stop and if necessary, to keep them from ever recovering. If that means killing them (and that's exactly what blood or soil means) then we must do it to defend actual innocent people. We imprison people who are in the process of getting turned in to radical Islamists and who are amassing weapons. The same should be done against white nationalists who are very much radicalized and yet free speech allows them to publicly spout that they want to kill Jews and people of color and lgbt people.

But there's a simple reason why "death to infidels" and "death to minorities" don't illicit the same response. And it has everything to do with the fact that white Americans (aka the majority of the population) does benefit from white nationalism while almost no Americans benefit from radical Islamic views.
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-Gavirulax- posted...

They're both shitty, however talking to someone (in contrast to deplatforming) doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they've ever done.

Both the right and left have parts that are extremely cringey, again one of the main reasons I identity as a centrist, dirty dirty centrist, because I'd rather not shove myself into one side or another that both have insane views and pick the best from both.

The problem with centrism is that if you don't stand against the crappy views, then you passively allow it to exist and grow.
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gunplagirl posted...

-Gavirulax- posted...

They're both shitty, however talking to someone (in contrast to deplatforming) doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they've ever done.

Both the right and left have parts that are extremely cringey, again one of the main reasons I identity as a centrist, dirty dirty centrist, because I'd rather not shove myself into one side or another that both have insane views and pick the best from both.

The problem with centrism is that if you don't stand against the crappy views, then you passively allow it to exist and grow.

But centrists stand against the crappy views of both sides by nature of their position.

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gunplagirl posted...

-Gavirulax- posted...

They're both shitty, however talking to someone (in contrast to deplatforming) doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they've ever done.

Both the right and left have parts that are extremely cringey, again one of the main reasons I identity as a centrist, dirty dirty centrist, because I'd rather not shove myself into one side or another that both have insane views and pick the best from both.

The problem with centrism is that if you don't stand against the crappy views, then you passively allow it to exist and grow.

But centrists stand against the crappy views of both sides by nature of their position.

They're ideologically opposed, but to espouse a view with no genuine and effective action behind it is moot.
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gunplagirl posted...

So you completely missed the BANNED IN EUROPE part and how we still pursue the former leaders with world courts?

Yeah, I disagree with censorship or persecuting political dissidents, sorry bud.

gunplagirl posted...

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gunplagirl posted...

-Gavirulax- posted...

They're both shitty, however talking to someone (in contrast to deplatforming) doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they've ever done.

Both the right and left have parts that are extremely cringey, again one of the main reasons I identity as a centrist, dirty dirty centrist, because I'd rather not shove myself into one side or another that both have insane views and pick the best from both.

The problem with centrism is that if you don't stand against the crappy views, then you passively allow it to exist and grow.

But centrists stand against the crappy views of both sides by nature of their position.

They're ideologically opposed, but to espouse a view with no genuine and effective action behind it is moot.

Dialectic is an action.

gunplagirl posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them
Nazis: create a white ethnostate that won't provide for the poor whites who are not murdered

For other totally asinine statements, see also
Tacos and skyscrapers are different sides of the same coin

Correction.

Communism: everybody starves togethor or at least the normal people.

Nazis=Fascist and despite your racist beliefs isn't confined to whites.

antifar are just thugs

alt right are way worse
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What I think about is how does antifa want to divide Americans? Nazis want to destroy America through racism and sexism.
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Newhopes posted...

gunplagirl posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them
Nazis: create a white ethnostate that won't provide for the poor whites who are not murdered

For other totally asinine statements, see also
Tacos and skyscrapers are different sides of the same coin

Correction.

Communism: everybody starves togethor or at least the normal people.

Nazis=Fascist and despite your racist beliefs isn't confined to whites.

Are you calling me racist for stating that Nazis desire to build a white ethnostate?
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Newhopes posted...

gunplagirl posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them
Nazis: create a white ethnostate that won't provide for the poor whites who are not murdered

For other totally asinine statements, see also
Tacos and skyscrapers are different sides of the same coin

Correction.

Communism: everybody starves togethor or at least the normal people.

Nazis=Fascist and despite your racist beliefs isn't confined to whites.

Unlike Nazism, there's nothing inherently evil about Communism.

josifrees posted...

What I think about is how does antifa want to divide Americans? Nazis want to destroy America through racism and sexism.

Rooting out fascists and wresting power back from them

Which only would really affect politicians and the legal system, plus Nazis
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gunplagirl posted...

So you completely missed the BANNED IN EUROPE part and how we still pursue the former leaders with world courts?

Yeah, I disagree with censorship or persecuting political dissidents, sorry bud.

So you're okay with radical islamists showing up to your city and holding a rally calling for your death?

And it's only persecution of political dissidents if you are giving them the benefit of referring to their belief system as a valid political view. It really isn't in any sense. Incidentally, by allowing them to espouse their views without push back, you get situations like Charlottesville.
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Ammonitida posted...

Newhopes posted...

gunplagirl posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Commies and nazis are different sides of the same coin.

Communism: support everyone in society and provide for them
Nazis: create a white ethnostate that won't provide for the poor whites who are not murdered

For other totally asinine statements, see also
Tacos and skyscrapers are different sides of the same coin

Correction.

Communism: everybody starves togethor or at least the normal people.

Nazis=Fascist and despite your racist beliefs isn't confined to whites.

Unlike Nazism, there's nothing inherently evil about Communism.

Communists mass butchered Nationalists and Clergymen during the Spanish Civil War.

It's disgusting if you're going to be like, "well, they deserved it for being nationalists".

gunplagirl posted...

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gunplagirl posted...

So you completely missed the BANNED IN EUROPE part and how we still pursue the former leaders with world courts?

Yeah, I disagree with censorship or persecuting political dissidents, sorry bud.

So you're okay with radical islamists showing up to your city and holding a rally calling for your death?

And it's only persecution of political dissidents if you are giving them the benefit of referring to their belief system as a valid political view. It really isn't in any sense. Incidentally, by allowing them to espouse their views without push back, you get situations like Charlottesville.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843539/UC-Berkeley-students-ignore-Fox-commentator-waving-ISIS-flag-ATTACK-waves-Israeli-flag.html

=/

More than 1,000 people were at Charlottesville, do they all deserve to go to jail or be killed for exercising First Amendment rights?

Free speech protects left, right, and everyone.