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Inviso 12/06/17 5:15:00 PM #254:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... Lets fire anyone who ever accidentally put their hand in the wrong place then. TIL that forcing yourself onto someone and sticking your tongue down their throat and later taking a photograph of yourself air groping/actually groping a women's breasts while she slept is "accidentally putting your hands in the wrong place." The kiss happened in the context of a performance that, based on witness accounts and photographic evidence, was inherently raunchy. So yes, the kiss may have been inappropriate, but you've been far too willing to blow it out of proportion given the context in which it occurred. The air groping is just that: air groping. It's immature, but not sexual assault, and if it didn't come out in conjunction with the kiss story, no one would bat an eyelash at it. I don't think tarring and feathering a man over a single allegation (that was interpreted as a he said/she said situation for the part that you personally have the biggest problem with...there's no photos of the kiss in question) is fair, especially given the context and the circumstances in which the information came to light. The same goes for the second allegation, which was what I was specifically referring to in my previous post. While Franken may have grabbed his accuser's butt, it's entirely possible to have been an honest mistake in hand placement while pulling her in close for the photo. This third accusation, however, is both evidence of a pattern, AND it's more sinister in its description (Franken is accused to trapping a woman and trying to force a kiss on her.) This adds weight to the earlier accusations while carrying weight in its own right. My whole point is that we can't be basing rash calls for punishment based on isolated accounts, because then you might get situations where even legitimate complaints can be blown out of proportion in relation to their severity. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891712258] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Lets fire anyone who ever accidentally put their hand in the wrong place then. </quote> TIL that forcing yourself onto someone and sticking your tongue down their throat and later taking a photograph of yourself air groping/actually groping a women's breasts while she slept is "accidentally putting your hands in the wrong place."</quote> The kiss happened in the context of a performance that, based on witness accounts and photographic evidence, was inherently raunchy. So yes, the kiss may have been inappropriate, but you've been far too willing to blow it out of proportion given the context in which it occurred. The air groping is just that: air groping. It's immature, but not sexual assault, and if it didn't come out in conjunction with the kiss story, no one would bat an eyelash at it. I don't think tarring and feathering a man over a single allegation (that was interpreted as a he said/she said situation for the part that you personally have the biggest problem with...there's no photos of the kiss in question) is fair, especially given the context and the circumstances in which the information came to light. The same goes for the second allegation, which was what I was specifically referring to in my previous post. While Franken may have grabbed his accuser's butt, it's entirely possible to have been an honest mistake in hand placement while pulling her in close for the photo. This third accusation, however, is both evidence of a pattern, AND it's more sinister in its description (Franken is accused to trapping a woman and trying to force a kiss on her.) This adds weight to the earlier accusations while carrying weight in its own right. My whole point is that we can't be basing rash calls for punishment based on isolated accounts, because then you might get situations where even legitimate complaints can be blown out of proportion in relation to their severity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 5:18:47 PM #255:	UltimaterializerX posted... Jerusalem is now the capital of Israel. Praise the lord! Which one? There's three in Jerusalem. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891712466] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite> <quote>Jerusalem is now the capital of Israel. Praise the lord!</quote> Which one? There's three in Jerusalem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 12/06/17 5:22:43 PM #256:	Inviso posted... The kiss happened in the context of a performance that, based on witness accounts and photographic evidence, was inherently raunchy. So yes, the kiss may have been inappropriate, but you've been far too willing to blow it out of proportion given the context in which it occurred. This is a pretty dishonest summary of what happened. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:891712695] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>The kiss happened in the context of a performance that, based on witness accounts and photographic evidence, was inherently raunchy. So yes, the kiss may have been inappropriate, but you've been far too willing to blow it out of proportion given the context in which it occurred.</quote> This is a pretty dishonest summary of what happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/06/17 5:32:50 PM #257:	scarletspeed7 posted... UltimaterializerX posted... Jerusalem is now the capital of Israel. Praise the lord! Which one? There's three in Jerusalem. p sure there's only one --- TLO has my dog for a month. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:891713282] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite> <quote>Jerusalem is now the capital of Israel. Praise the lord!</quote> Which one? There's three in Jerusalem.</quote> p sure there's only one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 12/06/17 5:34:26 PM #258:	Franken wrote a skit that involved him kissing a female co-star on-stage. He wanted to practice the kiss. Tweeden was uncomfortable, but eventually consented. When they practiced the kiss, Franken slipped her some tongue. She scolded him, but they did the show as planned. It looks slimy, yes. But in context, its an isolated incident of him overstepping his boundaries. Obviously it takes a much worse light with the recent allegation, but Im not trying to score points for being first to call for punishment. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:891713384] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Franken wrote a skit that involved him kissing a female co-star on-stage. He wanted to practice the kiss. Tweeden was uncomfortable, but eventually consented. When they practiced the kiss, Franken slipped her some tongue. She scolded him, but they did the show as planned. It looks slimy, yes. But in context, its an isolated incident of him overstepping his boundaries. Obviously it takes a much worse light with the recent allegation, but Im not trying to score points for being first to call for punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 5:38:10 PM #259:	Franken also wrote a skit where his comedy partner and he were on stage in a skit and his comedy partner revealed he was gay and in love with Franken. The partner brought his parents to the show, and when Franken rejected the partner after having been apparently in a gay relationship with him on the DL for several years, the partner blew his own brains out with a concealed gun and they landed on the parents. This was in 1975. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891713616] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Franken also wrote a skit where his comedy partner and he were on stage in a skit and his comedy partner revealed he was gay and in love with Franken. The partner brought his parents to the show, and when Franken rejected the partner after having been apparently in a gay relationship with him on the DL for several years, the partner blew his own brains out with a concealed gun and they landed on the parents. This was in 1975.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/06/17 5:46:37 PM #260:	http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/06/investing/coal-tax-cuts-robert-murray-trump/index.html Whoops I guess Trump never promised coal would come back and STAY back --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891714100] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/06/investing/coal-tax-cuts-robert-murray-trump/index.html Whoops I guess Trump never promised coal would come back and STAY back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/06/17 5:46:54 PM #261:	scarletspeed7 posted... Franken also wrote a skit where his comedy partner and he were on stage in a skit and his comedy partner revealed he was gay and in love with Franken. The partner brought his parents to the show, and when Franken rejected the partner after having been apparently in a gay relationship with him on the DL for several years, the partner blew his own brains out with a concealed gun and they landed on the parents. This was in 1975. Uh. Gonna need a source on that one. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:891714122] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Franken also wrote a skit where his comedy partner and he were on stage in a skit and his comedy partner revealed he was gay and in love with Franken. The partner brought his parents to the show, and when Franken rejected the partner after having been apparently in a gay relationship with him on the DL for several years, the partner blew his own brains out with a concealed gun and they landed on the parents. This was in 1975.</quote> Uh. Gonna need a source on that one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 5:51:28 PM #262:	Suprak the Stud posted... scarletspeed7 posted... Franken also wrote a skit where his comedy partner and he were on stage in a skit and his comedy partner revealed he was gay and in love with Franken. The partner brought his parents to the show, and when Franken rejected the partner after having been apparently in a gay relationship with him on the DL for several years, the partner blew his own brains out with a concealed gun and they landed on the parents. This was in 1975. Uh. Gonna need a source on that one. "Live From New York". It's sitting on my shelf. Excellent book. It got cut after dress rehearsal in either season 2 or 3. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891714411] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Franken also wrote a skit where his comedy partner and he were on stage in a skit and his comedy partner revealed he was gay and in love with Franken. The partner brought his parents to the show, and when Franken rejected the partner after having been apparently in a gay relationship with him on the DL for several years, the partner blew his own brains out with a concealed gun and they landed on the parents. This was in 1975.</quote> Uh. Gonna need a source on that one.</quote> "Live From New York". It's sitting on my shelf. Excellent book. It got cut after dress rehearsal in either season 2 or 3.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 5:54:41 PM #263:	Also, this wasn't unusual for the late 70s. Soap was a parody of soap operas, and one of its notable characters was Jody, played by Billy Crystal. Jody is a gay man who is essentially raped by a woman and tries to get custody of the child... and it's all meant to be comedic, essentially. That's probably the same year. 76 or 77. It's crazy. It only popped in my head because it was Saturday Night Live relevant, as Crystal was supposed to be in the very first episode but was cut for time and didn't come back to the show for ten years. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891714626] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Also, this wasn't unusual for the late 70s. Soap was a parody of soap operas, and one of its notable characters was Jody, played by Billy Crystal. Jody is a gay man who is essentially raped by a woman and tries to get custody of the child... and it's all meant to be comedic, essentially. That's probably the same year. 76 or 77. It's crazy. It only popped in my head because it was Saturday Night Live relevant, as Crystal was supposed to be in the very first episode but was cut for time and didn't come back to the show for ten years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/06/17 5:57:21 PM #264:	Oh. Wait. I completely misread that. SKIT. It was a skit. That makes more sense. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:891714765] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Oh. Wait. I completely misread that. SKIT. It was a skit. That makes more sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 12/06/17 5:58:32 PM #265:	Suprak the Stud posted... Oh. Wait. I completely misread that. SKIT. It was a skit. That makes more sense. ... wh... What the heck did you think it was. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:891714832] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Oh. Wait. I completely misread that. SKIT. It was a skit. That makes more sense.</quote> ... wh... What the heck did you think it was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 5:58:43 PM #266:	Oh lol. That would PROBABLY have come out in his election primary. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891714843] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Oh lol. That would PROBABLY have come out in his election primary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/06/17 5:59:54 PM #267:	https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/938430412895817729 Why would we listen to what other Christians have to say? -The American Christian Right https://t.co/JCxV9d797u https://t.co/5HjYNc3zxD So of course I'm not at all surprised that our resident dunce is in support of the measure. As a Jew, I'm horrified. The only thing that this accomplishes is it makes some people on the right feel good - but they're not going to have to deal with the immediate consequences. How appropriately American of them. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891714920] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/938430412895817729 <quote>Why would we listen to what other Christians have to say? -The American Christian Right https://t.co/JCxV9d797u https://t.co/5HjYNc3zxD</quote> So of course I'm not at all surprised that our resident dunce is in support of the measure. As a Jew, I'm horrified. The only thing that this accomplishes is it makes some people on the right feel good - but they're not going to have to deal with the immediate consequences. How appropriately American of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 12/06/17 6:03:44 PM #268:	I was also confused by that Al Franken story! I understood them being in a skit, but I didn't realize that was a skit about a skit. --- GameFlux: Unofficial GameFAQs board browser <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:891715127] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>I was also confused by that Al Franken story! I understood them being in a skit, but I didn't realize that was a skit about a skit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 6:07:33 PM #269:	It was a Franken and Davis sketch, which is stand-up, but instead of it being the normal stand-up, they do this elaborate story with a bizarre death at the end. It was supposed to convince the audience that the show had stopped and something horrifying and real was happening. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891715337] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>It was a Franken and Davis sketch, which is stand-up, but instead of it being the normal stand-up, they do this elaborate story with a bizarre death at the end. It was supposed to convince the audience that the show had stopped and something horrifying and real was happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/06/17 6:10:19 PM #270:	Anyways, sorry to sidetrack the politics topic with Saturday Night Live trivia. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891715476] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Anyways, sorry to sidetrack the politics topic with Saturday Night Live trivia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/06/17 6:14:07 PM #271:	SupremeZero posted... Suprak the Stud posted... Oh. Wait. I completely misread that. SKIT. It was a skit. That makes more sense. ... wh... What the heck did you think it was. I misread it as a skit that went bad and his partner killed himself in the middle of it IRL. I didn't realize it was a skit about a skit. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:891715675] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Oh. Wait. I completely misread that. SKIT. It was a skit. That makes more sense.</quote> ... wh... What the heck did you think it was.</quote> I misread it as a skit that went bad and his partner killed himself in the middle of it IRL. I didn't realize it was a skit about a skit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/06/17 6:14:43 PM #272:	scarletspeed7 posted... Oh lol. That would PROBABLY have come out in his election primary. Yeah, I was like, "how bad was the opposition research that this never came out?" --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:891715708] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh lol. That would PROBABLY have come out in his election primary.</quote> Yeah, I was like, "how bad was the opposition research that this never came out?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/06/17 7:08:14 PM #273:	You guys are all being stupid and willfully lacking nuance. Edit: wow there were like a zillion posts, I should have refreshed. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:891718520] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>You guys are all being stupid and willfully lacking nuance. Edit: wow there were like a zillion posts, I should have refreshed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/07/17 2:13:53 AM #274:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewei_jOb5qY Spokeswoman for our future senator from Alabama. Weeeeeeeeeee --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:891738441] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewei_jOb5qY Spokeswoman for our future senator from Alabama. Weeeeeeeeeee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/07/17 2:53:31 AM #275:	Jesus that was frustrating to listen to --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:891739484] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Jesus that was frustrating to listen to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 12/07/17 2:57:08 AM #276:	Suprak the Stud posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewei_jOb5qY Spokeswoman for our future senator from Alabama. Weeeeeeeeeee Made it about 1m20s. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:891739576] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewei_jOb5qY Spokeswoman for our future senator from Alabama. Weeeeeeeeeee</quote> Made it about 1m20s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 12/07/17 9:22:14 AM #277:	Watched the first half of that interview and it's embarrasssing. "Looking forward" to watching the other half tonight. This trashfire candidate's really going to be elected, isn't he? While Conyers and likely Franken step down? Sigh. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:891748631] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Watched the first half of that interview and it's embarrasssing. "Looking forward" to watching the other half tonight. This trashfire candidate's really going to be elected, isn't he? While Conyers and likely Franken step down? Sigh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/07/17 10:39:48 AM #278:	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/938786402992578560 National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day - A day that will live in infamy! December 7, 1941 When he can't even get famous simple quotes correct. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891751882] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/938786402992578560 <quote>National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day - A day that will live in infamy! December 7, 1941</quote> When he can't even get famous simple quotes correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 10:42:16 AM #279:	Peace___Frog posted... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/938786402992578560 National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day - A day that will live in infamy! December 7, 1941 When he can't even get famous simple quotes correct. https://twitter.com/oldthinkertube/status/938790436415725568 This probably means they also said it wrong on Fox&Friends. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891752002] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/938786402992578560 <quote>National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day - A day that will live in infamy! December 7, 1941</quote> When he can't even get famous simple quotes correct.</quote> https://twitter.com/oldthinkertube/status/938790436415725568 <quote>This probably means they also said it wrong on Fox&Friends.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/07/17 10:42:59 AM #280:	Probably. What fake patriots. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891752031] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Probably. What fake patriots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/07/17 10:46:34 AM #281:	So Sarah Huckabee Sanders apparently said that the President supports businesses putting up signs that say they refuse service to gay people. Most pro-lgbt president ever, right? sigh --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:891752185] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>So Sarah Huckabee Sanders apparently said that the President supports businesses putting up signs that say they refuse service to gay people. Most pro-lgbt president ever, right? sigh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 10:50:52 AM #282:	Again, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says thou shalt not serve cakes to gay people --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891752376] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Again, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says thou shalt not serve cakes to gay people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/07/17 10:51:04 AM #283:	didn't ulti give us his personal guarantee that nothing like that would happen? Also: https://twitter.com/marthamaccallum/status/938562978747748352 Breaking: Amb. Nikki Haley not certain we should send our athletes to the Olympics. Will depend on NK situation. Is America great again yet? I'm sure our athletes who have been training their asses off for years are thrilled that the baby in chief might call off their one moment to shine. The only two ways this could make sense is if first, the administration is planning on starting a full on war with NK, or they want to show solidarity with their Russian pals. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891752388] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>didn't ulti give us his personal guarantee that nothing like that would happen? Also: https://twitter.com/marthamaccallum/status/938562978747748352 <quote>Breaking: Amb. Nikki Haley not certain we should send our athletes to the Olympics. Will depend on NK situation.</quote> Is America great again yet? I'm sure our athletes who have been training their asses off for years are thrilled that the baby in chief might call off their one moment to shine. The only two ways this could make sense is if first, the administration is planning on starting a full on war with NK, or they want to show solidarity with their Russian pals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/07/17 10:54:42 AM #284:	Jakyl25 posted... Again, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says thou shalt not serve cakes to gay people There's also nowhere in the bible that says "Thou shalt not see a doctor," or "thou shalt not get vaccinated" but we tend to give people a pass when their kids die of easily preventable medical conditions. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:891752561] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Again, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says thou shalt not serve cakes to gay people </quote> There's also nowhere in the bible that says "Thou shalt not see a doctor," or "thou shalt not get vaccinated" but we tend to give people a pass when their kids die of easily preventable medical conditions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/07/17 10:55:27 AM #285:	Jakyl25 posted... Again, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says thou shalt not serve cakes to gay people you're obviously just not looking hard enough! the Bible says everything you want it to say if you look closely! --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891752599] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Again, there is nowhere in the Bible where it says thou shalt not serve cakes to gay people</quote> you're obviously just not looking hard enough! the Bible says everything you want it to say if you look closely!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/07/17 10:58:18 AM #286:	If everyone took the Bible literally, there wouldn't be so many religions. Not saying these views are right but it is possible to be opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, no matter what the Bible says. If one of these people bakes a cake for a gay wedding, they're taking a part in something they're opposed to. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:891752730] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>If everyone took the Bible literally, there wouldn't be so many religions. Not saying these views are right but it is possible to be opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, no matter what the Bible says. If one of these people bakes a cake for a gay wedding, they're taking a part in something they're opposed to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/07/17 11:04:25 AM #287:	Sure, there's religious reasons to be opposed to gay marriage. There's also religious reasons to have human sacrifice, but we don't allow that. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:891753043] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Sure, there's religious reasons to be opposed to gay marriage. There's also religious reasons to have human sacrifice, but we don't allow that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/07/17 11:06:42 AM #288:	Dancedreamer posted... Sure, there's religious reasons to be opposed to gay marriage. There's also religious reasons to have human sacrifice, but we don't allow that. With gay marriage I feel like you can at least choose to not take part in it, and no harm no foul. But I also believe that businesses should be able to refuse whomever they want, and I know no one in this topic is going to agree with me on that. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:891753145] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, there's religious reasons to be opposed to gay marriage. There's also religious reasons to have human sacrifice, but we don't allow that.</quote> With gay marriage I feel like you can at least choose to not take part in it, and no harm no foul. But I also believe that businesses should be able to refuse whomever they want, and I know no one in this topic is going to agree with me on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/07/17 11:18:01 AM #289:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Dancedreamer posted... Sure, there's religious reasons to be opposed to gay marriage. There's also religious reasons to have human sacrifice, but we don't allow that. With gay marriage I feel like you can at least choose to not take part in it, and no harm no foul. But I also believe that businesses should be able to refuse whomever they want, and I know no one in this topic is going to agree with me on that. If it's a business that receives any sort of public funding or has no nearby alternatives, I don't think you can allow that without also allowing businesses to create a subclass of citizens. And that's where I draw the line. Even without those limiters, it would be too simple for businesses to collude and deny service to groups of individuals, leaving them without a way to do what those in the privileged class take for granted. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891753728] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, there's religious reasons to be opposed to gay marriage. There's also religious reasons to have human sacrifice, but we don't allow that.</quote> With gay marriage I feel like you can at least choose to not take part in it, and no harm no foul. But I also believe that businesses should be able to refuse whomever they want, and I know no one in this topic is going to agree with me on that.</quote> If it's a business that receives any sort of public funding or has no nearby alternatives, I don't think you can allow that without also allowing businesses to create a subclass of citizens. And that's where I draw the line. Even without those limiters, it would be too simple for businesses to collude and deny service to groups of individuals, leaving them without a way to do what those in the privileged class take for granted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/07/17 11:20:53 AM #290:	We stop allowing things like "whites only" water fountains and businesses right? How is this much different than that? Serious question. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:891753869] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>We stop allowing things like "whites only" water fountains and businesses right? How is this much different than that? Serious question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/07/17 11:31:16 AM #291:	It's kind of funny how they'll defend their right to refuse service to gay couples, but then turn around and say "YOU HAVE TO SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS" --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:891754400] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>It's kind of funny how they'll defend their right to refuse service to gay couples, but then turn around and say "YOU HAVE TO SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 12/07/17 11:38:10 AM #292:	Suprak the Stud posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewei_jOb5qY Spokeswoman for our future senator from Alabama. Weeeeeeeeeee It's interesting to see Will MacAvoy back in action a couple years after his show ended. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:891754722] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewei_jOb5qY Spokeswoman for our future senator from Alabama. Weeeeeeeeeee</quote> It's interesting to see Will MacAvoy back in action a couple years after his show ended.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/07/17 11:38:11 AM #293:	FFDragon posted... We stop allowing things like "whites only" water fountains and businesses right? How is this much different than that? Serious question. I don't think any of the cases that have come up have been about "no gays" at a business. Just services specifically tied to weddings. It's not part of these peoples' religions that gay people shouldn't be allowed to eat, just that they shouldn't marry. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:891754725] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>We stop allowing things like "whites only" water fountains and businesses right? How is this much different than that? Serious question.</quote> I don't think any of the cases that have come up have been about "no gays" at a business. Just services specifically tied to weddings. It's not part of these peoples' religions that gay people shouldn't be allowed to eat, just that they shouldn't marry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 11:39:03 AM #294:	EndOfDiscOne posted... If everyone took the Bible literally, there wouldn't be so many religions. Not saying these views are right but it is possible to be opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, no matter what the Bible says. If one of these people bakes a cake for a gay wedding, they're taking a part in something they're opposed to. No, theyre not. I dont buy that argument as logical --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891754761] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>If everyone took the Bible literally, there wouldn't be so many religions. Not saying these views are right but it is possible to be opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, no matter what the Bible says. If one of these people bakes a cake for a gay wedding, they're taking a part in something they're opposed to.</quote> No, theyre not. I dont buy that argument as logical</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/07/17 11:39:50 AM #295:	EndOfDiscOne posted... FFDragon posted... We stop allowing things like "whites only" water fountains and businesses right? How is this much different than that? Serious question. I don't think any of the cases that have come up have been about "no gays" at a business. Just services specifically tied to weddings. It's not part of these peoples' religions that gay people shouldn't be allowed to eat, just that they shouldn't marry. People were fine with black people drinking water, just not at their fountains. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:891754791] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>We stop allowing things like "whites only" water fountains and businesses right? How is this much different than that? Serious question.</quote> I don't think any of the cases that have come up have been about "no gays" at a business. Just services specifically tied to weddings. It's not part of these peoples' religions that gay people shouldn't be allowed to eat, just that they shouldn't marry.</quote> People were fine with black people drinking water, just not at their fountains.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/07/17 11:41:54 AM #296:	Jakyl25 posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... If everyone took the Bible literally, there wouldn't be so many religions. Not saying these views are right but it is possible to be opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, no matter what the Bible says. If one of these people bakes a cake for a gay wedding, they're taking a part in something they're opposed to. No, theyre not. I dont buy that argument as logical If you owned a bakery, would you be okay providing your product to a Republican or alt-right convention? --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:891754902] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>If everyone took the Bible literally, there wouldn't be so many religions. Not saying these views are right but it is possible to be opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, no matter what the Bible says. If one of these people bakes a cake for a gay wedding, they're taking a part in something they're opposed to.</quote> No, theyre not. I dont buy that argument as logical</quote> If you owned a bakery, would you be okay providing your product to a Republican or alt-right convention?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/07/17 11:43:42 AM #297:	EndOfDiscOne posted... If you owned a bakery, would you be okay providing your product to a Republican or alt-right convention? Yes. As long as that cake otherwise met our standards. To do otherwise would be discriminatory. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:891754984] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>If you owned a bakery, would you be okay providing your product to a Republican or alt-right convention? </quote> Yes. As long as that cake otherwise met our standards. To do otherwise would be discriminatory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 11:44:46 AM #298:	As long as the message on the cake wasnt some shit like Jews will not replace us, sure. I cant refuse making an otherwise normal birthday cake for Richard Spencer --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891755042] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>As long as the message on the cake wasnt some shit like Jews will not replace us, sure. I cant refuse making an otherwise normal birthday cake for Richard Spencer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 11:45:56 AM #299:	Or at the very least, I might refuse his service then happily accept the ACLU lawsuit against me <_< --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891755101] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Or at the very least, I might refuse his service then happily accept the ACLU lawsuit against me <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/07/17 11:45:57 AM #300:	Fair enough. I do think many people would wish to refuse service or maybe ejaculate into said cake. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:891755104] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>Fair enough. I do think many people would wish to refuse service or maybe ejaculate into said cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 11:48:59 AM #301:	And likewise I would totally accept a Christian bakery refusing to make a cake that says Death to all heteros --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891755238] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>And likewise I would totally accept a Christian bakery refusing to make a cake that says Death to all heteros</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 12/07/17 11:50:09 AM #302:	I'm not sure what I think about this issue They revoked Richard Spencer's gym membership because other patrons didn't like his politics (being a Nazi) It's tricky because it is technically legal to discriminate- just not against protected classes (age, sex, disability, race, I forget the rest). --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:891755305] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure what I think about this issue They revoked Richard Spencer's gym membership because other patrons didn't like his politics (being a Nazi) It's tricky because it is technically legal to discriminate- just not against protected classes (age, sex, disability, race, I forget the rest).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/07/17 11:53:56 AM #303:	banananor posted... They revoked Richard Spencer's gym membership because other patrons didn't like his politics (being a Nazi) It is tricky and I think the legality of it should depend on whether he broadcasts his views there or not, or publicly endorses the gym alongside his rhetoric. BUT even though if hes just quietly working out there he shouldnt legally be expelled just for that, again, if they did do it and there was a (totally justified) lawsuit by Spencer against them for it, I would chip in to help pay that settlement --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891755491] in Politics C... [t:76047415]...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote> They revoked Richard Spencer's gym membership because other patrons didn't like his politics (being a Nazi)</quote> It is tricky and I think the legality of it should depend on whether he broadcasts his views there or not, or publicly endorses the gym alongside his rhetoric. BUT even though if hes just quietly working out there he shouldnt legally be expelled just for that, again, if they did do it and there was a (totally justified) lawsuit by Spencer against them for it, I would chip in to help pay that settlement</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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