Board 8 > Quinton and Leonhart in Different Houses: Magic Fate/Ball Edition [JZLF]

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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

I just meant Kirei is another character that knows what Kiritsugu really was like in Fate/zero. Though he probably doesn't care either way.

Oh right. Yeah, truth.

GranzonEx posted...

Jeff assuming you finished Gundam Unicorn which of these do you consider the bigger betrayal?

F/Z

I never bought them (tickets)

Unicorn

The marriage proposal hours after Merry-go-around

I only got like 8 episodes into my rewatch of Unicorn earlier this year before getting sidetracked. I've gotta start over. I was really enjoying watching it in show format (even though IIRC it doesn't actually add much content, or maybe even anything at all).

Even so... HOWEVER...

#Ticketgate is as bad as that (amazing) moment at the very end of Gundam Wing (but before Endless Waltz) when Relena tears up Heero's invitation
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what exactly did he do in F/Z that makes him not heroic? crushing an asshole that had it coming and killing a mentally ill serial killer that was anchoring a cthulhu monster to the world?
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literally everything

I don't give him credit for heroism for the first thing especially
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biggest betrayal in Gundam Wing is Heero stealing Deathscythe's parts in the middle of the night
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Fate/Zero

I don't think that was directed at me, but just for the record I do consider him to be heroic. If I were to quickly try and sum my definition of hero though, it would be something like "one who demonstrates the resolve to put their well-being on the line to do what they think is right". However, I don't think that what Kiritsugu thinks is right is always the same thing as what the narrative thinks is right or what the viewer is supposed to think.
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Jeff if you finished up to at least the 4th movie of Unicorn then that spoiler is fine. The rebroadcasting of the entire 7 movies into 22 episodes doesn't add anything extra.
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GranzonEx posted...

Jeff if you finished up to at least the 4th movie of Unicorn then that spoiler is fine. The rebroadcasting of the entire 7 movies into 22 episodes doesn't add anything extra.

Oh, I saw the whole thing as soon as movie 7 released back in ~2014
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pyresword posted...

Fate/Zero

I don't think that was directed at me, but just for the record I do consider him to be heroic. If I were to quickly try and sum my definition of hero though, it would be something like "one who demonstrates the resolve to put their well-being on the line to do what they think is right". However, I don't think that what Kiritsugu thinks is right is always the same thing as what the narrative thinks is right or what the viewer is supposed to think.

eh that's a flawed definition because plenty of villains do that too

I'm not a fan of moral relativism to begin with though
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Kerry did these things in F/Z (that I remember)

affair with Maiya
blew up a building with nobody except Kayneth and Sora-ui inside
killed a mentally ill serial killer that anchored a cthulhu monster to the world
killed Lucius Malfoy and his unfaithful fiance (part of the holy grail war with master deaths to be expected)
blew up a plane with ZOMBIE BEES
killed a necromancer
destroyed the unholy grail that would have killed everyone in Fuyuki
be a great father to a homunculus

that's not so bad
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well you're oversimplifying all those things in a way that doesn't allow for any nuance but I don't really want to argue about Kiritsugu being a bad protagonist any more than I already have
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You're not gonna break Leon's iron will against moral relativism which is the crux of why you'll never come to an understanding

*turns his Gundam into a flower*
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#Machiavelliwaswrong
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#machiavelliewaswrongandright?
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In Fate.....stay night, The Saber/Assassin fight goes mostly the same way, although we get a little bit of Caster/Rider interaction as well, and Rider gets away alive, so that's a nice change of pace. Shiro and Saber continue to disagree over fighting, although Rin understands that he would rather take all the suffering upon himself rather than let anyone else suffer, even a Servant. Saber resolves to teach him to at least be competent, so they train and spar a lot.

Then we get a nice breather episode (the title is "A Quiet Interlude" so you know what you're getting) with Shiro and Illya having a friendly conversation with each other. Archer gives Shiro a hint about projection magic to help him in battle, which I suppose is some nice foreshadowing about his true identity.
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So if this is Earth's last, best hope, why is everybody in this crew Japanese? What the heck, Japan?

I'm not sure I like the CG overload in this show either and the cheese is pretty much filling up the plate

But I'm still so glued to the premise
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well if this were an American show everyone who was Earth's last best hope would be American
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LeonhartFour posted...

well if this were an American show everyone who was Earth's last best hope would be American

Nope, I don't think so! Not these days, anyway. Especially not with space opera~
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SaveEstelle posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

well if this were an American show everyone who was Earth's last best hope would be American

Nope, I don't think so! Not these days, anyway. Especially not with space opera~

It's from 1974 though! I mean, weren't most Battlestar Galactica characters American?
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Mac Arrowny posted...

SaveEstelle posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

well if this were an American show everyone who was Earth's last best hope would be American

Nope, I don't think so! Not these days, anyway. Especially not with space opera~

It's from 1974 though! I mean, weren't most Battlestar Galactica characters American?

I can't hear your logic over my reckless complaining!
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SaveEstelle posted...

So if this is Earth's last, best hope, why is everybody in this crew Japanese? What the heck, Japan?

what about Star Wars OT

why is the Emperor an old racist white guy
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I dunno he looks kinda yellowish green in the OT

the real plot twist is that Vader is white
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GranzonEx posted...

SaveEstelle posted...

So if this is Earth's last, best hope, why is everybody in this crew Japanese? What the heck, Japan?

what about Star Wars OT

why is the Emperor an old racist white guy

I mean that's white people shooting themselves in the foot; that's okay

You have a really great multiethnic cast in the OT -- a bunch of white people, the galaxy's only black guy, a furry, some robots (Japanese no doubt since it was the 70s), a little green dude from Tibet, a giant slug from anti-American racist caricature tabloids
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can you blame Luke for freaking out in ESB
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Finished Chapter 6 in Professor Layton and the Unwound Future. We're finally getting ready to go to Chinatown! Flora brings up an interesting question though: If there's future Layton and future Luke, then where is future Flora? I thought that girl who turned out to be Claire was originally future Flora, but I hadn't really thought about it since that theory was debunked. Since they haven't encountered her in town, my best guess is that she's with future Layton, although whether willingly or unwillingly, I don't know.

I was curious to see how future Luke would react when he met Flora, but he seemed to recognize her just fine, so that checks out!
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well that was a rather odd moment in Unwound Future

I just saw a cutscene of that bee who'd been holding onto lost puzzles (I've apparently not missed a puzzle yet though) get brutally swatted and smashed by the new puzzle holder, Puzzlette

what a strange thing to include in a game
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Puzzles are serious business...!
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I had no idea how serious before but I do now

Anyway, I just finished Chapter 7 in Unwound Future. Chinatown was a pretty neat location, although Evil Future Layton wasn't there. Apparently, he's fond of long walks by the River Thames, so that's where we're off to next. Present Luke and Future Luke have an interesting conversation about the nature of time travel. Future Luke might be Present Luke, but there's no guarantee Present Luke will become this particular Future Luke. That means we're not in a stable time loop, which is probably good news for Professor Layton since it means he can avoid becoming evil!
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Just watched the Last Jedi. I enjoyed Force Awakens. This was better. Only complaint is they better give some more info on Snoke.
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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

Only complaint is they better give some more info on Snoke.

eh who cares

I certainly didn't care
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I too do not care. I'm good with how things turned out on that end.
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Best part was Rey's parents being no one. I loved that.
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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

Best part was Rey's parents being no one. I loved that.

Me too. I unequivocally adore it. I've written fairly passionately about it, actually.
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It's true. I've seen it.

Also, Unwound Future's dialogue is mostly unvoiced, but they seem to primarily want to use voices for scenes where Luke talks to animals. Also, the animals have the most exaggerated British accents known to man (or animal). What a strange directing decision.
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I finished Chapter 8 of Unwound Future last night. Unfortunately, Evil Layton left the restaurant on the Thames just shortly before we arrived, so we barely missed him. Apparently, he always goes out in disguise so no one will recognize him, although he still wears the top hat, so I feel like that's a dead giveaway, no matter what else he's wearing! Also, we get a weird scene with a rabbit who escaped from a research facility or something.

The title card for Chapter 9 seems to imply that we're finally going to meet Evil Layton, so hype!
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Darn it, the cartridge ejected while I had my 3DS in my pocket so I just lost a decent bit of progress. Lame.
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That sucks.
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Sounds like the kind of game that doesn't matter too much for
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Leonhart4 posted...

Darn it, the cartridge ejected while I had my 3DS in my pocket so I just lost a decent bit of progress. Lame.

This has been happening to me relatively frequently lately. It's really annoying.
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pjbasis posted...

Sounds like the kind of game that doesn't matter too much for

Eh, there are some puzzles that are annoying even if you've already solved them.

I just followed a guide to redo those with minimal hassle though.
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On Fate/Stay a While and Listen: Unlimited Powah, Shiro takes the red pill, leading to a dramatic multi-episodic confrontation with Archer -- AKA Shiro. I had thought that Archer could be Kiritsugu, which prompted fits of laughter both from a roommate an an online friend, as it were. (You kno who you are. Frankly, I've forgotten, and I'm too sick to go back and check.) But I also had that hunch that it might just be Shiro himself; I just had no idea whether the laws of this universe would allow it, so I veered elsewhere.

Archer's diabolical plan involves killing Shiro on the off chance it might save him from a life of pain. Actually, the way he words it, he's just looking for his own escape from that pain, which makes him more of a jerk, but still. It's a lot better explanation for his overall jerkdom than we might have gotten otherwise. I don't exactly love this character, but expect him to probably crack the top 5 for the series nevertheless because I do enjoy the relative depth put into him. And I find him better again now that there's been ample explanation for his antics.

Meanwhile, my main man Shiro gets his behind kicked into oblivion over and over again, but he never gives up. Ultimately (Bladely Worksly) this leads to a contest of raw will (which I almost always love) in which he floors Archer with his perseverance enough to prompt the guy to lower his blade and take the game-setting slash. Nice. Most of the drama in these episodes works really well.

Elsewhere, Shinji torments the holy heck out of Rin, who resists because she's #hardcore. Lancer pops in and does heroic Lancer things, cementing him as a cool dude for me. Heroic Lancer things, I want to note, including killing Kirei Kotomine. Since I watched Fate/Zero first, my perspective is super-biased which leads me to questioning if Kirei might show up again somehow. But he looked pretty darn dead to me, and if I'd seen/played/read Fate/Zero first I likely wouldn't be wondering this because I wouldn't be placing possibly undue importance upon the character, heh. So yeah, I guess he's probably down for the count. You know who else is down for the count? Shinji, I think, seeing as he just transformed into a bloatware freeware shovelware version of an eldritch abomination. I knew Gilgamesh was gonna do him in sooner or later, and it was every bit as satisfying as I'd hoped.

Gilgamesh, meanwhile, has revealed his plan to kill off most of the world and let the strong few that remain worship him as their king of kings. He also used the word "mongrel" (and "mongrels"!) again for the first time since Fate/Zero, which earned a standing ovation from the two-person couch crowd. (The cat was less impressed.) It's now up to Shiro, Rin and Saber to go forth and multip... hey, don't read that browser tab. It's up to Shiro, Rin and Saber to stop him and put an end to the Holy Grail War. I've got 4 episodes left and I look forward to 'em something fierce.

Stray thoughts: Assassin is still at-large. This is interesting. Although, this late in the game, I'd be surprised if he isn't just fodder. He'll do something courageous and then be crushed, I'm guessing. Also, Sakura really has been just completely removed from the board as a character, which is a major bummer. I get it; this is a certain path in the story. But having watched Fate/Zero and seen her clan built-up, not even seeing Old Fiendish Guy again is pretty rough!
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Yes, poor Sakura......
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I feel like Archer is quite a bit more likable in the other two routes, so you guys'd definitely have a different perspective watching UBW first.

Sakura and Kirei both have greatly varying roles across the three routes.
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Leonhart4 posted...

Yes, poor Sakura......

leonbot??
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It's the closest you're going to get
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All right, finished with Chapter 9 in Unwound Future. That was certainly something. The Towering Pagoda was so good I did it twice...! Seriously though, the Evil Layton turns out to be the time machine dude from the beginning of the game, although it turns out his real name is Dimitri Allen, not Mr. Stun Gun. Layton tricks Dimitri by...teaming up with Don Paolo, who took Layton's place before they entered the pagoda? What a weird twist, but I like it! Turns out everyone loved Claire, whether it was Layton, Dimitry, or even Paul/Don Paolo, and that's how everything is connected. Don Paolo was impersonating the "future" versions of Layton's former colleagues, so that explains that much, but it still doesn't explain how London's appearance changed so much.

Also, it doesn't explain who Future Luke is, and I'm feeling like Layton made a big mistake by letting Flora go with him alone! He could be on Dimitri's side, too! I mean, he can't actually be Luke if there's no time travel, and he's been trying to lead them to the pagoda the whole time, which Dimitri said was his goal. I guess we'll find out shortly!
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Oh boy, 8 episodes through The Crown's first season! Not exactly the sort of show I'd expect a bunch of y'all to have thoughts on but y'never know. I'll keep it short and sweet but in the latest episode Margaret was straight fire, OOMF. I still love Elizabeth the best with Churchill not terribly far behind but her impassioned speeches and plea for individuality were so so good.
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I'm going through the show (very) slowly. Three eps in, I like it! The soundtrack is the best.
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so i had a dream that since it's a holiday and toonami doesn't do its regular rotation around them that despite knowing they had a DB Super marathon scheduled it somehow got replaced with the 3 Evangelion movies.

and i was all hype

in retrospects there were signs this wasn't legit

like the runtime for 2.22 being over 4 hours.

or there somehow being a second channel running the sub versions

still had to check the schedule when i woke up. that disappointment. =(

this is my anime contribution for the day
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Mac Arrowny posted...

I'm going through the show (very) slowly. Three eps in, I like it! The soundtrack is the best.

It's really good, isn't it? The music, I mean. The show is pretty great too. Just, you know, kind of a slow burn and stuff.

xp1337 posted...

so i had a dream that since it's a holiday and toonami doesn't do its regular rotation around them that despite knowing they had a DB Super marathon scheduled it somehow got replaced with the 3 Evangelion movies.

and i was all hype

in retrospect there were signs this wasn't legit

like the runtime for 2.22 being over 4 hours.

or there somehow being a second channel running the sub versions

still had to check the schedule when i woke up. that disappointment. =(

this is my anime contribution for the day

Wow, the runtime is over 4 hours for that second one? ...wow.
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