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I live my life by them tbh.

People can't aspire to do things without greed.

People won't have the fortitude to innovate or improve without pride.

People won't be able to procreate without lust.

People won't be spurred to build upon another's ideas or possessions without envy.

People won't have self worth or self-preservation without wrath.

People won't grow strong or become bigger without gluttony.

The only one that's kinda bad is sloth.

But I'm not too religious. How exactly are this things bad? The virtues teach you good sportsmanship maybe, but the sins are what advance society.
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it's religion so it's not something to be taken seriously anyway unless you're really into that

but I always just understood it as those are motivations people have to do things that are not really good ones, contrary to the seven virtues
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Thats not what lust is. You can list for money or power or anything.
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They are only "deadly" when indulged in excess.
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I like to live dangerously.



HEIL SATAN!
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They were deadly when primitive religious societies publicly executed you for doing them.
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008Zulu posted...

They are only "deadly" when indulged in excess.

This is why I thought of a religion you could use in a fantasy setting where the seven sins are considered virtues and excess is the only sin.
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southcoast09 posted...

Thats not what lust is. You can list for money or power or anything.

If that's not what lust is, you might as well do away with greed (lusting for wealth) and envy (lusting for other's belongings/status) and gluttony (lusting for food).
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Schwarz posted...

southcoast09 posted...

Thats not what lust is. You can list for money or power or anything.

If that's not what lust is, you might as well do away with greed (lusting for wealth) and envy (lusting for other's belongings/status) and gluttony (lusting for food).

There is a train of thought with Lust being the root of all sins for that exact reason.
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pegusus123456 posted...

008Zulu posted...

They are only "deadly" when indulged in excess.

This is why I thought of a religion you could use in a fantasy setting where the seven sins are considered virtues and excess is the only sin.

Depends on the setting I suppose. A God that only cares about money probably wouldn't be bothered if their worshiper were so driven, that they would literally murder people in the street for it.
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You gotta understand, this stuff was put into effect when education was practically non-existent and it was harder to keep society stable. Most of it is common sense things to keep people healthy, productive, and cooperative. People look far too closely at the supernatural connotations rather than the intent.
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008Zulu posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

008Zulu posted...

They are only "deadly" when indulged in excess.

This is why I thought of a religion you could use in a fantasy setting where the seven sins are considered virtues and excess is the only sin.

Depends on the setting I suppose. A God that only cares about money probably wouldn't be bothered if their worshiper were so driven, that they would literally murder people in the street for it.

My thought was framing it as the gods making a world and people and giving the humans ways to enjoy it.

"Lust to explore each other."
"Gluttony to enjoy the fruits and meats."
etc
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They're not mortal sins in themselves, they're deadly because they function as gateways to more serious sins
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008Zulu posted...

They are only "deadly" when indulged in excess.

I feel anything is bad in excess. Even excess modesty can lead to bad outcomes. However...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

They're not mortal sins in themselves, they're deadly because they function as gateways to more serious sins

I s'pose that makes sense. I can definitely see that.
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cuttin_in_farm posted...

People can't aspire to do things without greed.

People won't have the fortitude to innovate or improve without pride.

People won't be able to procreate without lust.

People won't be spurred to build upon another's ideas or possessions without envy.

People won't have self worth or self-preservation without wrath.

People won't grow strong or become bigger without gluttony.

Greed is not ambition
Pride is not self-confidence
Lust is not love or passion.
Envy is not healthy competitiveness
Wrath is not indignation
Gluttony doesn't mean eating well.
Sloth is awful, yes.

The reason you are not seeing the evil in them, is because you are seeing them through a warped perspective.
When you are greedy, you trying to get what you want at the cost of other people, and that is not ok.
When you are proud, you cannot recognize your own flaws and better yourself.
When you lust, you can betray the ones you love, and you are using people of the opposite sex as a means to an end, failing to see their true value.
When you envy, you are failing to be grateful for the things you have.
When you are wrathful, you will not be able to forgive, which will shroud your heart in darkness and end up hurting you, even more than if you were to just let it go. Why would you hold on to a thorny rose, just because you feel that you have the right to hold it? It is good to learn that people can do bad things, and be prepared for that, but unforgiveness will make you bitter, and make you unable to see the good in others.
Now gluttony will just make you unhealthy, and it is kind of a bottomless pit, imo, you just keeping eating to satisfy other desires.
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In excess some of it could be and if you lack caution, like eating so much your unhealthy or having unsafe sex or being stressed and angry all the time.
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I'd like tc to read my post
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remember in charmed when a demon infected everyone with the 7 deadly sins and only a selfless act could break the spell but they had to remove the sin of pride from prue in a different way and at the end of the episode she wondered why everyone else was cured by doing one selfless act while she did multiple selfless acts in one day including trying to kill herself to save the world.

and it was pointed out that none of her acts were really selfless because all she did was for the greater glory of prue! making pride the one sin that cant be beat
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EnragedSlith posted...

You gotta understand, this stuff was put into effect when education was practically non-existent and it was harder to keep society stable. Most of it is common sense things to keep people healthy, productive, and cooperative. People look far too closely at the supernatural connotations rather than the intent.

Exactly.

These aren't inherently bad things. Too much of anything is bad for you. You could look at the commandments and deadly sins as a testament to how advanced some theorists were thousands of years ago.

They are just basic rules to living a moral and ethical life.
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It was literally shit cooked up by some bullshit pope to guilt people into donating more money
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The world sucks because of these sins
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Take pride in your work and who you are.
Pride is the root of all evil.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

Take pride in your work and who you are.
Pride is the root of all evil.

You are talking about different sorts of pride.
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Mister_Spyker posted...

HydraSlayer82 posted...

Take pride in your work and who you are.
Pride is the root of all evil.

You are talking about different sorts of pride.

And it's avarice is the root of all evil.
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Mister_Spyker posted...

cuttin_in_farm posted...

People can't aspire to do things without greed.

People won't have the fortitude to innovate or improve without pride.

People won't be able to procreate without lust.

People won't be spurred to build upon another's ideas or possessions without envy.

People won't have self worth or self-preservation without wrath.

People won't grow strong or become bigger without gluttony.

Greed is not ambition
Pride is not self-confidence
Lust is not love or passion.
Envy is not healthy competitiveness
Wrath is not indignation
Gluttony doesn't mean eating well.
Sloth is awful, yes.

The reason you are not seeing the evil in them, is because you are seeing them through a warped perspective.
When you are greedy, you trying to get what you want at the cost of other people, and that is not ok.
When you are proud, you cannot recognize your own flaws and better yourself.
When you lust, you can betray the ones you love, and you are using people of the opposite sex as a means to an end, failing to see their true value.
When you envy, you are failing to be grateful for the things you have.
When you are wrathful, you will not be able to forgive, which will shroud your heart in darkness and end up hurting you, even more than if you were to just let it go. Why would you hold on to a thorny rose, just because you feel that you have the right to hold it? It is good to learn that people can do bad things, and be prepared for that, but unforgiveness will make you bitter, and make you unable to see the good in others.
Now gluttony will just make you unhealthy, and it is kind of a bottomless pit, imo, you just keeping eating to satisfy other desires.

I feel like you're adding definitions to these words. Your definition of greedy is off, for example. Greed is a selfish want, yes. But not necessarily at the cost of others. Not to mention the threshold for "selfish" is subject.

Having pride is not arrogance. Pride is about acknowledging who and what you are and being utterly satisfied with what you bring. You can have pride in others too, btw.

Your lust is an utterly made up implication. It's sexual desire. Even if you love someone, you're going to eventually lust for them.

Another unfounded implication for envy. I can be grateful for friends I have, and still envy the greater quantity of friends others have.

Forgiveness is for your self, so wrath preventing forgiveness of others isn't bad. It's smart to not always ttry to forgive. Like pain, wrath ensures we do not injure ourselves further.

If you eat only when you're hungry, some people will have a hard time getting bigger. Gluttony says nothing about the healthiness of food. It's indulgence in food. Nothing more.

Call it a different perspective, but I think you're reaching with some of these.
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cuttin_in_farm posted...

I feel like you're adding definitions to these words. Your definition of greedy is off, for example. Greed is a selfish want, yes. But not necessarily at the cost of others. Not to mention the threshold for "selfish" is subject.

Having pride is not arrogance. Pride is about acknowledging who and what you are and being utterly satisfied with what you bring. You can have pride in others too, btw.

Your lust is an utterly made up implication. It's sexual desire. Even if you love someone, you're going to eventually lust for them.

Another unfounded implication for envy. I can be grateful for friends I have, and still envy the greater quantity of friends others have.

Forgiveness is for your self, so wrath preventing forgiveness of others isn't bad. It's smart to not always ttry to forgive. Like pain, wrath ensures we do not injure ourselves further.

If you eat only when you're hungry, some people will have a hard time getting bigger. Gluttony says nothing about the healthiness of food. It's indulgence in food. Nothing more.

Call it a different perspective, but I think you're reaching with some of these.

Well, if we are to aknowledge them as sins, I figure we are seeing them in the perspective that I'm talking about.

Greed (also called avarice, in most latin countries, where the idea of deadly sins comes from)
Avarice -
1.
insatiable greed for riches; inordinate, miserly desire to gain and hoard wealth.
This speaks for itself. If you are seeking wealth and riches in such a way, you are very likely to trample over other people in order to reach your objectives.

You are talking about a healthy pride, but according to a dictionary, pride can have both meanings:
1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
2.
a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.

The first is harmful, the second is healthy.
Also, the concept of sin comes from a religious viewpoint, in which you should attribute any pride you would have in yourself to God. In a christian perspective, as the apostle Paul said, "So that, as it is written, 'Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.'". If life comes from God, and your accomplishments are only possible because of his permission, then you cannot attribute your good actions to yourself, but only thank him because he is the essence of all that is good in this world. Apart from him, there would only be evil. If you are going to judge the 7 deadly sins, you have to see them from the perspective through which they were thought of, whether you agree with the perspective or not.

I think that when it mentions lust, it's with the implication that it's not towards your significant other. There is some form of ardent passion towards a loved one in religious texts, mainly songs of solomon, in the judeo-christian faith, so that passion is not wrong, and is merely the natural reaction of two people who love and are attracted to one another.

I disagree with you on wrath, I find forgiveness to always be the best choice for both parties. Noone wins for being hurt. When you forgive someone, you are releasing the hurt that they caused in you. You are making yourself free, and also freeing the other person from their guilt.

Gluttony is eating things you don't need to eat just because of how it tastes. It's filling an emotional vacuum with food. Obviously, if you have to eat to grow bigger, because of a special diet you are undergoing in order to gain muscle, that wouldn't be gluttony, because you will need that food to fulfill your goals.
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I s'pose in context, I see what you mean. I'm speaking in too much of a general sense. Thank you for clarifying. I think I understand more.
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cuttin_in_farm posted...

I s'pose in context, I see what you mean. I'm speaking in too much of a general sense. Thank you for clarifying. I think I understand more.

Well, thanks, that's very humbling to read.
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