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creativerealms
04/06/18 9:04:56 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Ah, yes, the things liberals always accused conservatives of being paranoid about is finally happening. I'm truly shocked that pushing this agenda was their goal.

A small town willingly banning ARs which most citizens agreed with? This isn't the nightmare conservative gun nuts say it is.
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scorpion41
04/06/18 9:04:59 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
itachi15243 posted...
Caution999 posted...
Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!!

Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic.

This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.

Caution999 posted...
Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!!

Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic.

This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.


The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules.

Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms.

No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious.


If you're going to go that route, you can make this argument about every single firearm. There's nothing special about the AR-15.

Would you be okay with the government punishing people for saying subversive/controversial things just on facebook? "You still have the right to express your opinions. You just can't do so on facebook. Other outlets are fine."


Or even better: We are restricting certain elections/ballots effective immediately. You can still vote, but only for elected offices. Tax issues can only be voted on if you passed the BAR exam.
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Youngster_Joey_
04/06/18 9:09:53 AM
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Eat More Beef posted...
or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card.


Isn't this already the law for the entire state, though?
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DifferentialEquation
04/06/18 9:10:33 AM
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creativerealms posted...
The Admiral posted...
Ah, yes, the things liberals always accused conservatives of being paranoid about is finally happening. I'm truly shocked that pushing this agenda was their goal.

A small town willingly banning ARs which most citizens agreed with? This isn't the nightmare conservative gun nuts say it is.


So you're okay with it as long as "most citizens" agree with it? "Most citizens" wanting something banned is a sufficient threshold in order for the government to ban something in your eyes?
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scorpion41
04/06/18 9:14:26 AM
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So how many people were getting shot by ARs to prompt this ban?
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D-Lo_BrownTown
04/06/18 9:15:05 AM
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scorpion41 posted...
So how many people were getting shot by ARs to prompt this ban?


I doubt many considering Deerfield is one of those uppity rich Northern Illinois towns.
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Buzz Killjoy
04/06/18 9:17:04 AM
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The FOID is apparently what they call "shall issue" in IL (meaning if you meet the eligibility requirements, they must issue it to you) but they are one of the most restrictive states when it comes to ownership.

I may not be interpreting their law correctly but it looks like you'd have to have this FOID already to even purchase a firearm or ammunition, so if you're following the law it wouldn't change much except having to leave that town to shoot your rifle.

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Youngster_Joey_
04/06/18 9:22:57 AM
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I'm confused.

Everything I'm reading is stating that the old law was you had to have it locked in a case.

New law is it needs to be rendered inoperable.

So who's lying?
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Johnny_Nutcase
04/06/18 10:07:37 AM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.

Doesn't matter that the citizens would eventually lose, it matters that before they lose they would do a significant amount of damage to the army, which is incentive enough for the army not to invade. It's just like the strip and the NCR in fallout new vegas.


I just had to laugh at the part where you said significant. Unless you can get a tank at Walmart, you wouldn't even likely see a soldier. Also lol@NV... wtf....?
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DifferentialEquation
04/06/18 10:27:18 AM
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Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


I'm kind of curious as to why anti-2A people make this argument as though the gun owners would go line up on a battlefield somewhere against a bunch of tanks and jets like in a Command & Conquer game. It would be guerilla/covert warfare. People who were resisting the government wouldn't walk around in a uniform for the world to see.
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creativerealms
04/06/18 10:30:27 AM
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I don't believe a town should be allowed to do this. They probably can't.
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CableZL
04/06/18 10:31:09 AM
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KillSocialism
04/06/18 10:43:14 AM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Remember when Libs were adamant that they didn't want to take away our guns?

And now Larry King flat out says we should repeal the second amendment.
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Key
04/06/18 10:45:12 AM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.

Doesn't matter that the citizens would eventually lose, it matters that before they lose they would do a significant amount of damage to the army, which is incentive enough for the army not to invade. It's just like the strip and the NCR in fallout new vegas.

Literally using a video game as a arguement. The military could easily wipe them out without even using for soldiers. And the possibility of civilians fighting back is not incentive enough to prevent them from invading. If the military was ever called on to invade us citizens there would be several problems they'd have to deal with. The fear of untrained civilians with weaker weapons is not one of them.
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KillSocialism
04/06/18 10:45:48 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


I'm kind of curious as to why anti-2A people make this argument as though the gun owners would go line up on a battlefield somewhere against a bunch of tanks and jets like in a Command & Conquer game. It would be guerilla/covert warfare. People who were resisting the government wouldn't walk around in a uniform for the world to see.

They don't think, that's why. The implication also is that we should do nothing since, according to them, we'd be powerless anyway. So why even bother defending ourselves.
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DifferentialEquation
04/06/18 10:46:17 AM
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KillSocialism posted...
Delta_F14 posted...
Remember when Libs were adamant that they didn't want to take away our guns?

And now Larry King flat out says we should repeal the second amendment.


It's funny too because they still insist that they don't want to and that you'd have to be paranoid to believe otherwise.
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FLUFFYGERM
04/06/18 10:46:42 AM
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But I thought leftists don't want to outright ban guns.
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iPhone_7
04/06/18 10:47:30 AM
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This is phase one. Phase two is FEMA death camps
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Shadow Don
04/06/18 10:51:33 AM
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EverDownward posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon.

According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted.


So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em.

So you can keep it, so long as it's never used, huh? Hmm


Uhhh bring it to the gun range in the next town over? What a shit topic title. The government isnt literally banging on your door to take yer gerns. They probably just got sick of nra cultists open carrying ars.
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thrashmetal14
04/06/18 10:51:45 AM
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This is like 20 mins away from me.

Fuck Deerfield. Fucking commie scum.
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DifferentialEquation
04/06/18 10:53:26 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
But I thought leftists don't want to outright ban guns.


That's because they're lying. All these liberals who claim to support the second amendment but just want some "common sense" restrictions never speak out against or denounce the people on their side calling total bans or confiscations. The only real disagreement between liberals on the 2nd amendment is whether they should kill it slowly and gradually or quickly.
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mario2000
04/06/18 10:54:03 AM
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good

change is finally happening
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thrashmetal14
04/06/18 10:54:20 AM
#74:


Polycosm posted...
I'm a fan of the "laboratories of democracy" approach to law, especially the more local the jurisdiction. I'm not a fan of this particular law and I think the fines are predatory. That said, if the Deerfield community wants to try it, that's fine. Or if the majority don't actually want it then they can vote out their city council and undo it.

Also important to note: according to District of Columbia v Heller, there's no question of constitutionality here. The city of Deerfield is within their right to enforce this ordinance unless the IL state constitution has something to say about it (I haven't checked).


Yeah, and if the federal government starts putting people in concentration camps we'll all just wait until next election to undo it!
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Thatuser
04/06/18 10:54:21 AM
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A FOID is not a carry permit. In Illinois you have to register your weapons upon purchase with the state police and submit fingerprints for a background check just to buy a gun and qualify for the luxury of obtaining a FOID. The carry permit is a completely different card.
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mario2000
04/06/18 10:55:16 AM
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it is amazing that in tyool 2018 we are just now enacting laws to keep military weapons out of the hands of common citizens
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DirkDiggles
04/06/18 10:56:10 AM
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.


Funny. I swore that's how we gained our independence from British rule that had a vastly superior army. Fuck my history teachers and their fake history.
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Shadow Don
04/06/18 10:56:44 AM
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mario2000 posted...
it is amazing that in tyool 2018 we are just now enacting laws to keep military weapons out of the hands of common citizens


Actually, this law doesnt even do that lmfao. Its just an overreaching to literally nothing. We have to keep our guns in a safe???? Tyranny!
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DirkDiggles
04/06/18 10:57:19 AM
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mario2000 posted...
it is amazing that in tyool 2018 we are just now enacting laws to keep military weapons out of the hands of common citizens


When has the AR15 been a military weapon? Oh, is it because it is scary looking?
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Thatuser
04/06/18 10:57:27 AM
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mario2000 posted...
it is amazing that in tyool 2018 we are just now enacting laws to keep military weapons out of the hands of common citizens

I'm sure you've seen people corrected on this before and you're just trolling, but appearance does not equal functionality. The standard AR-15 for civilians isn't select fire and is chambered with different rounds.
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WizardofHoth
04/06/18 10:57:34 AM
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So how is Deerfield ahem Springfield going to defend themselves with no automatic guns when aliens invade or zombies or werewolves run amok?
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Key
04/06/18 10:59:06 AM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.


Funny. I swore that's how we gained our independence from British rule that had a vastly superior army. Fuck my history teachers and their fake history.

weapons then were far different than they are now. Also the British had to constantly send people on a long journey over seas just to supply the war and fight in it. It's not even comparable to if random citizens rebelled against the US today
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Youngster_Joey_
04/06/18 11:06:44 AM
#83:


Shadow Don posted...
They probably just got sick of nra cultists open carrying ars.


This doesn't happen in Deerfield lmfao
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CapnMuffin
04/06/18 11:12:54 AM
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WizardofHoth posted...
So how is Deerfield ahem Springfield going to defend themselves with no automatic guns when aliens invade or zombies or werewolves run amok?

Take them out and use them? Theyll be in such good shape that theyll be mowing down zombies while Mr. Carry gets his jammed and dies.
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FLUFFYGERM
04/06/18 11:21:57 AM
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@mario2000 has gone full communist lmao
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EpicMickeyDrew
04/06/18 12:05:02 PM
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@Key posted...
EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Johnny_Nutcase posted...
Chicken posted...
Kombucha posted...
this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!


lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?


This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.

Doesn't matter that the citizens would eventually lose, it matters that before they lose they would do a significant amount of damage to the army, which is incentive enough for the army not to invade. It's just like the strip and the NCR in fallout new vegas.

Literally using a video game as a argument. The military could easily wipe them out without even using for soldiers. And the possibility of civilians fighting back is not incentive enough to prevent them from invading. If the military was ever called on to invade US citizens there would be several problems they'd have to deal with. The fear of untrained civilians with weaker weapons is not one of them.

How would the military wipe them out without using soldiers? Bomb them? You don't bomb your own country, or you just end up with a bunch of destroyed infrastructure that you then have to pay to rebuild.
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JcOpIVY86
04/06/18 12:07:42 PM
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And the mass exodus from these liberal hellholes will continue.
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darkjedilink
04/06/18 12:07:55 PM
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mario2000 posted...
it is amazing that in tyool 2018 we are just now enacting laws to keep military weapons out of the hands of common citizens

What military uses the AR-15?
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weekoldhotdog
04/06/18 12:14:56 PM
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Good, I want this to happen all over the United States.
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scorpion41
04/06/18 12:17:31 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
Good, I want this to happen all over the United States.


Why? What purpose does it serve other than to make people criminals for simply owning a weapon?
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JeanAmpteau
04/06/18 12:19:49 PM
#91:


Caution999 posted...
Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!!

Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic.

This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.


Imagine if you read the article.

But, reading iz hard, I get it
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weekoldhotdog
04/06/18 12:22:10 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
weekoldhotdog posted...
Good, I want this to happen all over the United States.


Why? What purpose does it serve other than to make people criminals for simply owning a weapon?


Just turn in your weapon and you won't be a criminal.

Why? So I don't have to get shot or my kids don't get shot while they are in school.
We don't need guns. We don't need hunting. The United States is better off without guns. Period.
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JeanAmpteau
04/06/18 12:28:05 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
"We're not banning these guns, we're just making it completely illegal to ever even come close to using one"

lol, same effect on responsible owners. Sad and disgusting bullshit.


"Responsible owner of an AR-15" is an oxymoron
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eggcorn
04/06/18 12:29:07 PM
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sounds like a dystopian horror story
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Caution999
04/06/18 12:31:31 PM
#96:


JeanAmpteau posted...
Caution999 posted...
Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!!

Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic.

This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.


Imagine if you read the article.

But, reading iz hard, I get it


I DID. I don't care. It's still a dumb idea. And if Conservatives are as "dumb" as you say/think they are, then even you would agree that they will come out of the woodwork to vote for the upcoming elections this year BECAUSE of this issue. Even if it's a misconception - this will be easily spun to the "dumb" people you believe exist.

Have fun losing the elections I guess. If you want conservatives to come out of the wood-work and give them a reason to vote, congratulations. Have fun.
This is like telling your QB to spike the ball on fourth down. Good one, Democrats.
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voldothegr8
04/06/18 12:34:01 PM
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"but...but...we don't want to take your guns"

Can't wait until the courts slam this shut.
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JeanAmpteau
04/06/18 12:34:29 PM
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Caution999 posted...
JeanAmpteau posted...
Caution999 posted...
Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!!

Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic.

This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.


Imagine if you read the article.

But, reading iz hard, I get it


I DID. I don't care. It's still a dumb idea. And if Conservatives are as "dumb" as you say/think they are, then even you would agree that they will come out of the woodwork to vote for the upcoming elections this year BECAUSE of this issue. Even if it's a misconception - this will be easily spun to the "dumb" people you believe exist.

Have fun losing the elections I guess.


Democrats have been winning the majority of elections since Trump's inauguration, so I'm not sure what you are on about.

You think this will change anything? The majority of Americans agree with gun control.
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Caution999
04/06/18 12:35:34 PM
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The silent majority will make their voices known.
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