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darkjedilink 04/06/18 1:24:51 PM #151:	Aeriis posted... StucklnMyPants posted... According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted. so... what's the issue? You can never use it. It must be non-functional or locked away unloaded at all times. Taking an assembled rifle you own out of your gun safe is a felony. Merely OPENING your gun safe is a felony. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899165688] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aeriis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote>According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted.</quote> so... what's the issue?</quote> You can never use it. It must be non-functional or locked away unloaded at all times. Taking an assembled rifle you own out of your gun safe is a felony. Merely OPENING your gun safe is a felony.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeanAmpteau 04/06/18 1:25:11 PM #152:	southcoast09 posted... So, one of the most dangerous places on the planet just quit letting citizens protect themselves? Haha, on the planet. What a joke. --- Amp / Cocteau <cite>JeanAmpteau posted [p:899165709] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>So, one of the most dangerous places on the planet just quit letting citizens protect themselves?</quote> Haha, on the planet. What a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/06/18 1:32:15 PM #153:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I'm kinda confused what the problem is. The citizens of the town asked for this and the town's government went with the public. That's kind of how governments are supposed to work. So then why do you shitpost when the citizens of all those towns in red states want shitty laws regarding gay marriage and whatnot? The point is that citizens of a town are not allowed to legislate things that strip people of their rights. I didn't realize I even shitpost about gay marriage. Pretty sure I've seen you running your mouth in those "Georgia does this" and "Alabama does that" threads lol. But maybe I'm remembering wrong. The most I can recall doing is posting some silly topics from r/nottheonion. And the only ones I can think of that involved specfic states are like when some of the southern states voted against child marriage laws. Would you be okay with a town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage? I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a shitty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:899166089] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm kinda confused what the problem is. The citizens of the town asked for this and the town's government went with the public. That's kind of how governments are supposed to work.</quote> So then why do you shitpost when the citizens of all those towns in red states want shitty laws regarding gay marriage and whatnot? The point is that citizens of a town are not allowed to legislate things that strip people of their rights.</quote> I didn't realize I even shitpost about gay marriage.</quote> Pretty sure I've seen you running your mouth in those "Georgia does this" and "Alabama does that" threads lol. But maybe I'm remembering wrong.</quote> The most I can recall doing is posting some silly topics from r/nottheonion. And the only ones I can think of that involved specfic states are like when some of the southern states voted against child marriage laws.</quote> Would you be okay with a town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage?</quote> I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a shitty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 1:33:01 PM #154:	Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899166136] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weekoldhotdog 04/06/18 1:33:05 PM #155:	darkjedilink posted... weekoldhotdog posted... Rifles I'm cool with, ARs I'm not. What, specifically, about the AR off3nds your liberal sensibilities? Their capacity is too high, combined with it's stopping power and it's ability to be reloaded in seconds. All of this adds up to human hunting.......not game hunting. Unless you are in the business of having to HUNT humans (officers, marshalls, coast gaurd, military) then you really don't need to own these weapons. Furthermore, it's not you owning the weapon that I don't like. It's the fact that troubled teenagers or theives can take your guns without your knowledge and in turn THEY are now in possession of firearms I don't want them to have. Because of you. And you didn't do anything wrong beyond purchasing the guns. The majority of guns that commit violence against other human beings are stolen. So, I'd rather the guns not be in the equation because that's the only fair way to treat this situation. We only did it to ourselves and now we are to blame for this situation. Pointing fingers won't solve anything, only action will. --- Ba da da dada, da da da dada, da da da dada, da da da dada... What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more. <cite>weekoldhotdog posted [p:899166140] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>weekoldhotdog posted...</cite> <quote>Rifles I'm cool with, ARs I'm not.</quote> What, specifically, about the AR off3nds your liberal sensibilities?</quote> Their capacity is too high, combined with it's stopping power and it's ability to be reloaded in seconds. All of this adds up to human hunting.......not game hunting. Unless you are in the business of having to HUNT humans (officers, marshalls, coast gaurd, military) then you really don't need to own these weapons. Furthermore, it's not you owning the weapon that I don't like. It's the fact that troubled teenagers or theives can take your guns without your knowledge and in turn THEY are now in possession of firearms I don't want them to have. Because of you. And you didn't do anything wrong beyond purchasing the guns. The majority of guns that commit violence against other human beings are stolen. So, I'd rather the guns not be in the equation because that's the only fair way to treat this situation. We only did it to ourselves and now we are to blame for this situation. Pointing fingers won't solve anything, only action will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 04/06/18 1:34:45 PM #156:	Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:899166235] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/06/18 1:35:55 PM #157:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:899166312] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 1:38:00 PM #158:	Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage. Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899166412] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage.</quote> Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thatuser 04/06/18 1:39:45 PM #159:	voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread. <cite>Thatuser posted [p:899166497] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 1:41:02 PM #160:	Thatuser posted... voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread. So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899166556] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread.</quote> So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 04/06/18 1:42:51 PM #162:	weekoldhotdog posted... darkjedilink posted... weekoldhotdog posted... Rifles I'm cool with, ARs I'm not. What, specifically, about the AR off3nds your liberal sensibilities? Their capacity is too high, combined with it's stopping power and it's ability to be reloaded in seconds. All of this adds up to human hunting.......not game hunting. Unless you are in the business of having to HUNT humans (officers, marshalls, coast gaurd, military) then you really don't need to own these weapons. Furthermore, it's not you owning the weapon that I don't like. It's the fact that troubled teenagers or theives can take your guns without your knowledge and in turn THEY are now in possession of firearms I don't want them to have. Because of you. And you didn't do anything wrong beyond purchasing the guns. The majority of guns that commit violence against other human beings are stolen. So, I'd rather the guns not be in the equation because that's the only fair way to treat this situation. We only did it to ourselves and now we are to blame for this situation. Pointing fingers won't solve anything, only action will. So, you admit that you want to strip me of my rights because I MIGHT become a victim of theft? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899166643] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>weekoldhotdog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>weekoldhotdog posted...</cite> <quote>Rifles I'm cool with, ARs I'm not.</quote> What, specifically, about the AR off3nds your liberal sensibilities?</quote> Their capacity is too high, combined with it's stopping power and it's ability to be reloaded in seconds. All of this adds up to human hunting.......not game hunting. Unless you are in the business of having to HUNT humans (officers, marshalls, coast gaurd, military) then you really don't need to own these weapons. Furthermore, it's not you owning the weapon that I don't like. It's the fact that troubled teenagers or theives can take your guns without your knowledge and in turn THEY are now in possession of firearms I don't want them to have. Because of you. And you didn't do anything wrong beyond purchasing the guns. The majority of guns that commit violence against other human beings are stolen. So, I'd rather the guns not be in the equation because that's the only fair way to treat this situation. We only did it to ourselves and now we are to blame for this situation. Pointing fingers won't solve anything, only action will.</quote> So, you admit that you want to strip me of my rights because I MIGHT become a victim of theft?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thatuser 04/06/18 1:43:10 PM #163:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Thatuser posted... voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread. So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine? I was being sarcastic. Local matters/ laws are superceded by the constitution. <cite>Thatuser posted [p:899166653] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread.</quote> So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine?</quote> I was being sarcastic. Local matters/ laws are superceded by the constitution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 04/06/18 1:44:38 PM #164:	Kombucha posted... this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! Yep. Just like Australia. It became North Korea overnight. Don't listen to the propaganda that says otherwise! --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:899166712] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> Yep. Just like Australia. It became North Korea overnight. Don't listen to the propaganda that says otherwise!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/06/18 1:46:35 PM #165:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage. Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:899166809] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage.</quote> Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e</quote> Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 1:52:12 PM #166:	Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage. Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha. I actually don't care about winning or losing, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Right now I just care about humbling you because you're especially egregious in the "LOL Proudclad" ways --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899167071] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage.</quote> Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e</quote> Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha.</quote> I actually don't care about winning or losing, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Right now I just care about humbling you because you're especially egregious in the "LOL Proudclad" ways</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/06/18 1:55:07 PM #167:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage. Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha. I actually don't care about winning or losing, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Right now I just care about humbling you because you're especially egregious in the "LOL Proudclad" ways I did once only because you said something dumb. The fact that it upsets that you're going to bring it up constantly. Then I should always laugh at you because you are not someone worth responding to seriously if you are going to do that. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:899167233] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage.</quote> Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e</quote> Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha.</quote> I actually don't care about winning or losing, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Right now I just care about humbling you because you're especially egregious in the "LOL Proudclad" ways</quote> I did once only because you said something dumb. The fact that it upsets that you're going to bring it up constantly. Then I should always laugh at you because you are not someone worth responding to seriously if you are going to do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 1:55:45 PM #168:	Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho. Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage. I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage. Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha. I actually don't care about winning or losing, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Right now I just care about humbling you because you're especially egregious in the "LOL Proudclad" ways I did once only because you said something dumb. The fact that it upsets that you're going to bring it up constantly. Then I should always laugh at you because you are not someone worth responding to seriously if you are going to do that. >_____> Bruh, only once? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899167266] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>I know what you are trying to get at so I'll at least be honest. I don't particularly think banning specfic guns will solve anything I just don't care enough to get angry over it. I would think it's a s*ty thing for those states to ban gay marriage and I'm pretty sure that will see a court case to get over turned. Doesn't personally effect me tho.</quote> Then you can admit that what this town is doing is the exact same thing as some town in Alabama or Georgia banning gay marriage.</quote> I guess. Though I do value the right to own a gun less then gay marriage.</quote> Thanks for admitting you're wrong then. Props for taking that leap and not just saying your usual "LOL Proudclad" or w/e</quote> Lol proudclad. Don't make everything into winning or losing. I don't particularly think the reactions of the people in this topic make sense to town citizens asking for this law. If only you didn't try to make everything a gatcha.</quote> I actually don't care about winning or losing, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Right now I just care about humbling you because you're especially egregious in the "LOL Proudclad" ways</quote> I did once only because you said something dumb. The fact that it upsets that you're going to bring it up constantly. Then I should always laugh at you because you are not someone worth responding to seriously if you are going to do that.</quote> >_____> Bruh, only once?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suspiria 04/06/18 1:59:28 PM #169:	weekoldhotdog posted... darkjedilink posted... weekoldhotdog posted... Rifles I'm cool with, ARs I'm not. What, specifically, about the AR off3nds your liberal sensibilities? Their capacity is too high, combined with it's stopping power and it's ability to be reloaded in seconds. All of this adds up to human hunting.......not game hunting. Unless you are in the business of having to HUNT humans (officers, marshalls, coast gaurd, military) then you really don't need to own these weapons. Furthermore, it's not you owning the weapon that I don't like. It's the fact that troubled teenagers or theives can take your guns without your knowledge and in turn THEY are now in possession of firearms I don't want them to have. Because of you. And you didn't do anything wrong beyond purchasing the guns. The majority of guns that commit violence against other human beings are stolen. So, I'd rather the guns not be in the equation because that's the only fair way to treat this situation. We only did it to ourselves and now we are to blame for this situation. Pointing fingers won't solve anything, only action will. You can tell you know jack shit about guns right off the bat and get all your info from places like CNN. No sensible soldier is going to use an AR-15 in combat. Hell, you have legal weapons, handguns even, with higher stopping power, reload times, and firing rates than the AR-15. You're the type of guy who would call a rifle that simply has a scope 'a military grade sniper rifle'. People like you just to stay the fuck out of discussion of firearms period. <cite>Suspiria posted [p:899167449] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>weekoldhotdog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>weekoldhotdog posted...</cite> <quote>Rifles I'm cool with, ARs I'm not.</quote> What, specifically, about the AR off3nds your liberal sensibilities?</quote> Their capacity is too high, combined with it's stopping power and it's ability to be reloaded in seconds. All of this adds up to human hunting.......not game hunting. Unless you are in the business of having to HUNT humans (officers, marshalls, coast gaurd, military) then you really don't need to own these weapons. Furthermore, it's not you owning the weapon that I don't like. It's the fact that troubled teenagers or theives can take your guns without your knowledge and in turn THEY are now in possession of firearms I don't want them to have. Because of you. And you didn't do anything wrong beyond purchasing the guns. The majority of guns that commit violence against other human beings are stolen. So, I'd rather the guns not be in the equation because that's the only fair way to treat this situation. We only did it to ourselves and now we are to blame for this situation. Pointing fingers won't solve anything, only action will.</quote> You can tell you know jack shit about guns right off the bat and get all your info from places like CNN. No sensible soldier is going to use an AR-15 in combat. Hell, you have legal weapons, handguns even, with higher stopping power, reload times, and firing rates than the AR-15. You're the type of guy who would call a rifle that simply has a scope 'a military grade sniper rifle'. People like you just to stay the fuck out of discussion of firearms period.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/06/18 2:02:50 PM #170:	FLUFFYGERM posted... >_____> Bruh, only once? I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:899167612] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>>_____> Bruh, only once?</quote> I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:04:17 PM #171:	Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... >_____> Bruh, only once? I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right. No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899167688] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>>_____> Bruh, only once?</quote> I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right.</quote> No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 04/06/18 2:06:21 PM #172:	FLUFFYGERM posted... No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:899167797] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. </quote> Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/06/18 2:06:28 PM #173:	Thatuser posted... "Assault Rifle" is a boogeyman term that isn't clearly defined. Nah, Assault Rifle has a clear definition, the problem is the guns themselves straddle the line. Like, if I have a knife with a 5 inch blade, it's a knife, right? what if it's a 6 inch blade? 7 inch? 8 inch? 9 inch? how many more inches can I add to a knife before it becomes a sword? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:899167809] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote>"Assault Rifle" is a boogeyman term that isn't clearly defined.</quote> Nah, Assault Rifle has a clear definition, the problem is the guns themselves straddle the line. Like, if I have a knife with a 5 inch blade, it's a knife, right? what if it's a 6 inch blade? 7 inch? 8 inch? 9 inch? how many more inches can I add to a knife before it becomes a sword?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:07:08 PM #174:	CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God. I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899167853] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. </quote> Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God.</quote> I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/06/18 2:08:58 PM #175:	FLUFFYGERM posted... CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God. I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights Go excersise the right of free speech in North Korea. Nothing can go wrong because they are universal and inalienable. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:899167941] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. </quote> Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God.</quote> I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights</quote> Go excersise the right of free speech in North Korea. Nothing can go wrong because they are universal and inalienable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:09:55 PM #176:	Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God. I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights Go excersise the right of free speech in North Korea. Nothing can go wrong because they are universal and inalienable. Something being an inalienable and universal right doesn't mean tyrants won't try to restrict it. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899167993] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. </quote> Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God.</quote> I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights</quote> Go excersise the right of free speech in North Korea. Nothing can go wrong because they are universal and inalienable.</quote> Something being an inalienable and universal right doesn't mean tyrants won't try to restrict it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 04/06/18 2:10:35 PM #177:	This will encourage gun owners to not follow gun registration laws if a state that has no registry decides to start one. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:899168029] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>This will encourage gun owners to not follow gun registration laws if a state that has no registry decides to start one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 04/06/18 2:11:06 PM #178:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Something being an inalienable and universal right doesn't mean tyrants won't try to restrict it. I don't think you know what "inalienable" or "universal" mean. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:899168058] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Something being an inalienable and universal right doesn't mean tyrants won't try to restrict it. </quote> I don't think you know what "inalienable" or "universal" mean.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thatuser 04/06/18 2:11:47 PM #179:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... >_____> Bruh, only once? I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right. No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. The right to self defense is clearly a natural right. Our founding fathers had the foresight to list gun ownership specifically, seeing the rise of its use in warfare, defense, and necessity in day to day life (back then). When the founding documents include the word "God", most assume this is strictly a Judeo-Christian definition. That is not the case. Many of the founders were Masons who accept all faiths. This is also why freedom of religion is natural in the US. <cite>Thatuser posted [p:899168101] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>>_____> Bruh, only once?</quote> I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right.</quote> No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right.</quote> The right to self defense is clearly a natural right. Our founding fathers had the foresight to list gun ownership specifically, seeing the rise of its use in warfare, defense, and necessity in day to day life (back then). When the founding documents include the word "God", most assume this is strictly a Judeo-Christian definition. That is not the case. Many of the founders were Masons who accept all faiths. This is also why freedom of religion is natural in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 04/06/18 2:11:47 PM #180:	FLUFFYGERM posted... CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God. I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights That's not how it works. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:899168104] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. </quote> Those rights are actually given to us by the constitution, not God.</quote> I'm an atheist, all I mean is that they're inalienable universal rights</quote> That's not how it works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/06/18 2:12:12 PM #181:	voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. Imagine that? Why? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899168124] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> Imagine that? Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:12:56 PM #182:	Thatuser posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... >_____> Bruh, only once? I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right. No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right. The right to self defense is clearly a natural right. Our founding fathers had the foresight to list gun ownership specifically, seeing the rise of its use in warfare, defense, and necessity in day to day life (back then). When the founding documents include the word "God", most assume this is strictly a Judeo-Christian definition. That is not the case. Many of the founders were Masons who accept all faiths. This is also why freedom of religion is natural in the US. Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899168158] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>>_____> Bruh, only once?</quote> I give you shit for your tax topics because they always are just bitching about taxes existing, but I don't recall specifically laughing at those topics. The only thing I know for a fact I laughed at was when you said the right to own guns was a God given right. Because it's a dumb statement. You could just say it's a right or if really want to be specfic a conditional right.</quote> No it's a God given right, in the same way that freedom of speech is a God given right.</quote> The right to self defense is clearly a natural right. Our founding fathers had the foresight to list gun ownership specifically, seeing the rise of its use in warfare, defense, and necessity in day to day life (back then). When the founding documents include the word "God", most assume this is strictly a Judeo-Christian definition. That is not the case. Many of the founders were Masons who accept all faiths. This is also why freedom of religion is natural in the US.</quote> Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/06/18 2:13:16 PM #183:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Thatuser posted... voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread. So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine? Gay people are people though. Guns aren't people. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899168184] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread.</quote> So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine?</quote> Gay people are people though. Guns aren't people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 04/06/18 2:16:27 PM #184:	I hope not a single person in that town hands over their AR-15. --- I/\ \|_\| <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:899168310] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>I hope not a single person in that town hands over their AR-15.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:18:17 PM #185:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Thatuser posted... voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread. So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine? Gay people are people though. Guns aren't people. It's still a matter of rights protected by law, though. Doesn't matter if guns aren't people. That's not relevant to the fact that people have rights. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899168394] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread.</quote> So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine?</quote> Gay people are people though. Guns aren't people.</quote> It's still a matter of rights protected by law, though. Doesn't matter if guns aren't people. That's not relevant to the fact that people have rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 04/06/18 2:18:48 PM #186:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature. You're still misusing the terms "inalienable" and "universal" in this regard. One's right to own a gun can most definitely be taken away under certain circumstances, and the rights given to us by the constitution only apply in the United States, so they are by definition not universal or inalienable. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:899168426] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature. </quote> You're still misusing the terms "inalienable" and "universal" in this regard. One's right to own a gun can most definitely be taken away under certain circumstances, and the rights given to us by the constitution only apply in the United States, so they are by definition not universal or inalienable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thatuser 04/06/18 2:19:50 PM #187:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature. I agree with you personally, from a Masonic perspective that's not true. Belief in a deity is a basic requirement for joining. How you define that is never something asked, though. So, say you believe in a universal source, energy flow, or something equally esoteric, that may qualify as deity or supreme being. But not everywhere. <cite>Thatuser posted [p:899168484] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature.</quote> I agree with you personally, from a Masonic perspective that's not true. Belief in a deity is a basic requirement for joining. How you define that is never something asked, though. So, say you believe in a universal source, energy flow, or something equally esoteric, that may qualify as deity or supreme being. But not everywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:20:29 PM #188:	CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature. You're still misusing the terms "inalienable" and "universal" in this regard. One's right to own a gun can most definitely be taken away under certain circumstances, and the rights given to us by the constitution only apply in the United States, so they are by definition not universal or inalienable. This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899168510] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly. You can say "God" and be an atheist, because what the founding fathers meant was conceptual in nature. </quote> You're still misusing the terms "inalienable" and "universal" in this regard. One's right to own a gun can most definitely be taken away under certain circumstances, and the rights given to us by the constitution only apply in the United States, so they are by definition not universal or inalienable.</quote> This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 04/06/18 2:21:41 PM #189:	FLUFFYGERM posted... This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. Yes, and the fact that it only applies within the context of the United States means it isn't universal. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:899168572] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. </quote> Yes, and the fact that it only applies within the context of the United States means it isn't universal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:22:32 PM #190:	CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. Yes, and the fact that it only applies within the context of the United States means it isn't universal. you ever read the Declaration of Independence? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899168614] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. </quote> Yes, and the fact that it only applies within the context of the United States means it isn't universal.</quote> you ever read the Declaration of Independence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 04/06/18 2:22:36 PM #191:	I swear half the "good ol' southern boys" here don't actually know what the Second Ammendment says. Taken literally, not just any Johnny Appleseed should be allowed to have guns even with the amendment . --- Is sticking your tongue on a 9-volt battery a masculine gesture?-Questionmarktarius <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:899168615] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>I swear half the "good ol' southern boys" here don't actually know what the Second Ammendment says. Taken literally, not just any Johnny Appleseed should be allowed to have guns even with the amendment .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/06/18 2:23:53 PM #192:	FLUFFYGERM posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Thatuser posted... voldothegr8 posted... Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper. As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread. So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine? Gay people are people though. Guns aren't people. It's still a matter of rights protected by law, though. Doesn't matter if guns aren't people. That's not relevant to the fact that people have rights. Guns don't have rights though. That's the problem. We need to change the laws so that guns get the rights they are being denied now. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899168675] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if a town passed an ordinance that local government would start censoring the local newspaper.</quote> As long as the majority of the people are ok with it, it would be fine. In the context of this thread.</quote> So if a majority of people in Alabama or Georgia wanted to ban gay marriage or prohibit gay people from working, that'd be fine?</quote> Gay people are people though. Guns aren't people.</quote> It's still a matter of rights protected by law, though. Doesn't matter if guns aren't people. That's not relevant to the fact that people have rights.</quote> Guns don't have rights though. That's the problem. We need to change the laws so that guns get the rights they are being denied now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thatuser 04/06/18 2:24:06 PM #193:	CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. Yes, and the fact that it only applies within the context of the United States means it isn't universal. Again, ill make reference to Masonry and our founding fathers ideals, which were clearly influenced by it. Masons exist in most countries of the world and share common ideology. When they founded this country, although it is but a parcel of the Earths land mass, the idea was that those rights were universal. <cite>Thatuser posted [p:899168679] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>This conversation is happening within the context of the United States. The topic is about a specific state in the union. </quote> Yes, and the fact that it only applies within the context of the United States means it isn't universal.</quote> Again, ill make reference to Masonry and our founding fathers ideals, which were clearly influenced by it. Masons exist in most countries of the world and share common ideology. When they founded this country, although it is but a parcel of the Earths land mass, the idea was that those rights were universal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 04/06/18 2:25:31 PM #194:	Johnny_Nutcase posted... Chicken posted... Kombucha posted... this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover? This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard. In this scenario, much of the military would likely desert rather than attack their own citizens. In this case the odds would even out --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:899168763] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Johnny_Nutcase posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?</quote> This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.</quote> In this scenario, much of the military would likely desert rather than attack their own citizens. In this case the odds would even out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 04/06/18 2:25:38 PM #195:	So this is how fascism begins --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:899168771] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>So this is how fascism begins</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 04/06/18 2:26:44 PM #196:	FLUFFYGERM posted... you ever read the Declaration of Independence? Yeah, I love the part where it says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," but somehow black people weren't included in that sentiment. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:899168831] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>you ever read the Declaration of Independence? </quote> Yeah, I love the part where it says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," but somehow black people weren't included in that sentiment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 04/06/18 2:29:07 PM #197:	CableZL posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... you ever read the Declaration of Independence? Yeah, I love the part where it says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," but somehow black people weren't included in that sentiment. so then you understand where i'm coming from when i say "inalienable" and "universal" --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:899168953] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>you ever read the Declaration of Independence? </quote> Yeah, I love the part where it says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," but somehow black people weren't included in that sentiment.</quote> so then you understand where i'm coming from when i say "inalienable" and "universal"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meestermj 04/06/18 2:29:46 PM #198:	Where did this myth that you can't hunt deer with an AR-15 start? Saw it earlier in the topic and it's quite honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read. --- Psn: beastlytoast Left-handed fire-slapsies leave me feeling confused about life. - Merydia <cite>meestermj posted [p:899168987] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Where did this myth that you can't hunt deer with an AR-15 start? Saw it earlier in the topic and it's quite honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 04/06/18 2:30:27 PM #199:	FLUFFYGERM posted... so then you understand where i'm coming from when i say "inalienable" and "universal" Nope, because even the words in the declaration of the independence weren't followed faithfully by many of the people who wrote/signed it. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:899169032] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>so then you understand where i'm coming from when i say "inalienable" and "universal" </quote> Nope, because even the words in the declaration of the independence weren't followed faithfully by many of the people who wrote/signed it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 04/06/18 2:31:10 PM #200:	electricbugs2 posted... I swear half the "good ol' southern boys" here don't actually know what the Second Ammendment says. Taken literally, not just any Johnny Appleseed should be allowed to have guns even with the amendment . You know the National Guard is part of the United States Army, right? A "well-regulated militia" doesn't specifically mean the National Guard, imo. --- I/\ \|_\| <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:899169074] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>electricbugs2 posted...</cite> <quote>I swear half the "good ol' southern boys" here don't actually know what the Second Ammendment says. Taken literally, not just any Johnny Appleseed should be allowed to have guns even with the amendment .</quote> You know the National Guard is part of the United States Army, right? A "well-regulated militia" doesn't specifically mean the National Guard, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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