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StucklnMyPants 04/06/18 4:26:31 AM #1:	https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/deerfield-illinois-assault-weapon-ban-trnd/index.html (CNN) - The village of Deerfield in northern Illinois has passed a ban on assault weapons, but it affects much more than sales and manufacturing. If the 18,000 residents of the Chicago suburb don't forfeit or secure weapons that fall under the ban by June 13th, they will be charged from $200 to $1,000 a day as a penalty. According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted. The ordinance makes specific reference to recent mass shootings in Parkland, Florida; Las Vegas; and Sutherland Springs, Texas. "Assault weapons have been increasingly used in an alarming number of notorious mass shooting incidents at public places, public venues, places of worship and places of public accommodation," the ordinance reads. The authors of the legislation claim the law "may increase the public's sense of safety...not withstanding potential objections regarding the availability of alternative weaponry or the enforceability of such a ban." --- Deerfield's ordinance sets its own extensive definition of the term. In short, its version of an assault weapon is "a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine, detachable or otherwise." There are other aspects, including rifle additions and types of magazines. As defined by the village, the term also includes semiautomatic pistols (Stuck's note - these are the military looking, short barrel guns that closely resemble AR's, but are technically considered pistols. This is not referring to your standard pistol like a Glock or whatever), semiautomatic shotguns, conversion kits and "any shotgun with a revolving cylinder." There's more written in the story in the link above. City ordinance starts on page 79 - https://www.deerfield.il.us/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_04022018-412 "Firearm Owners Identification" is Illinois' term for a concealed weapon permit, so anyone that doesn't own one and isn't a law enforcement officer, can be fined anywhere from $250 to $1000 a day just for owning an assault rifle. Also, any magazine (not just a rifle magazine) that can hold more than 10 rounds, are subject to this fine. Also something of interest: I see no mention of compensation in the ordiance for people that are required to surrender their arms. I know under eminent domain, the government is required to provide compensation, but these guns won't be used, rather they will be destroyed. Therefore, people will be out guns, magazines, and money under this new ordiance. Thoughts? --- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. <cite>StucklnMyPants posted [p:899147542] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/us/deerfield-illinois-assault-weapon-ban-trnd/index.html <quote>(CNN) - The village of Deerfield in northern Illinois has passed a ban on assault weapons, but it affects much more than sales and manufacturing. If the 18,000 residents of the Chicago suburb don't forfeit or secure weapons that fall under the ban by June 13th, they will be charged from $200 to $1,000 a day as a penalty. According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted. The ordinance makes specific reference to recent mass shootings in Parkland, Florida; Las Vegas; and Sutherland Springs, Texas. "Assault weapons have been increasingly used in an alarming number of notorious mass shooting incidents at public places, public venues, places of worship and places of public accommodation," the ordinance reads. The authors of the legislation claim the law "may increase the public's sense of safety...not withstanding potential objections regarding the availability of alternative weaponry or the enforceability of such a ban." --- Deerfield's ordinance sets its own extensive definition of the term. In short, its version of an assault weapon is "a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine, detachable or otherwise." There are other aspects, including rifle additions and types of magazines. As defined by the village, the term also includes semiautomatic pistols (Stuck's note - these are the military looking, short barrel guns that closely resemble AR's, but are technically considered pistols. This is not referring to your standard pistol like a Glock or whatever), semiautomatic shotguns, conversion kits and "any shotgun with a revolving cylinder."</quote> There's more written in the story in the link above. City ordinance starts on page 79 - https://www.deerfield.il.us/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_04022018-412 "Firearm Owners Identification" is Illinois' term for a concealed weapon permit, so anyone that doesn't own one and isn't a law enforcement officer, can be fined anywhere from $250 to $1000 a day just for owning an assault rifle. Also, any magazine (not just a rifle magazine) that can hold more than 10 rounds, are subject to this fine. Also something of interest: I see no mention of compensation in the ordiance for people that are required to surrender their arms. I know under eminent domain, the government is required to provide compensation, but these guns won't be used, rather they will be destroyed. Therefore, people will be out guns, magazines, and money under this new ordiance. Thoughts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 04/06/18 4:35:01 AM #2:	this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:899147701] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 04/06/18 4:37:11 AM #3:	Seems oppressive. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:899147738] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Seems oppressive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 04/06/18 5:14:19 AM #4:	`You are now tracking this topic.` --- http://i.imgtc.com/tUK3LwiHnb.jpg 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 "But not forgotten." <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:899148393] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>You are now tracking this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delta_F14 04/06/18 5:17:01 AM #5:	Remember when Libs were adamant that they didn't want to take away our guns? --- Gives me conniptions <cite>Delta_F14 posted [p:899148445] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Remember when Libs were adamant that they didn't want to take away our guns?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 04/06/18 5:19:40 AM #6:	I won't say I'm not in favor of it, but it will be struck down in court. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:899148494] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>I won't say I'm not in favor of it, but it will be struck down in court.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 04/06/18 5:24:33 AM #7:	Feels really weird that they're not offering compensation, no? Essentially punishing people who purchased goods legally. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:899148571] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Feels really weird that they're not offering compensation, no? Essentially punishing people who purchased goods legally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 04/06/18 5:26:07 AM #8:	How the residents react could set a precedent for the future. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:899148600] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>How the residents react could set a precedent for the future.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 04/06/18 5:30:47 AM #9:	I'm a fan of the "laboratories of democracy" approach to law, especially the more local the jurisdiction. I'm not a fan of this particular law and I think the fines are predatory. That said, if the Deerfield community wants to try it, that's fine. Or if the majority don't actually want it then they can vote out their city council and undo it. Also important to note: according to District of Columbia v Heller, there's no question of constitutionality here. The city of Deerfield is within their right to enforce this ordinance unless the IL state constitution has something to say about it (I haven't checked). --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:899148668] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>I'm a fan of the "laboratories of democracy" approach to law, especially the more local the jurisdiction. I'm not a fan of this particular law and I think the fines are predatory. That said, if the Deerfield community wants to try it, that's fine. Or if the majority don't actually want it then they can vote out their city council and undo it. Also important to note: according to District of Columbia v Heller, there's no question of constitutionality here. The city of Deerfield is within their right to enforce this ordinance unless the IL state constitution has something to say about it (I haven't checked).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
doomcrusader 04/06/18 5:32:19 AM #10:	Disgusting. --- http://i.imgur.com/tqMGw.png http://i.imgur.com/IHbuM.jpg <cite>doomcrusader posted [p:899148699] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Disgusting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 04/06/18 5:34:52 AM #11:	Kombucha posted... this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover? --- https://i.imgur.com/2FgO73L.png <cite>Chicken posted [p:899148745] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cal12 04/06/18 5:35:02 AM #12:	Will be struck down in court. <cite>Cal12 posted [p:899148749] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Will be struck down in court.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 04/06/18 5:42:01 AM #13:	Got em --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:899148889] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Got em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flockaveli 04/06/18 6:07:15 AM #14:	Thats pocket change to the average Deerfield folk. --- Chicago, greatest city in the world! <cite>Flockaveli posted [p:899149305] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Thats pocket change to the average Deerfield folk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat More Beef 04/06/18 6:22:04 AM #15:	Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon. According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," *or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."* Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted. So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em. --- I wrote a horror short story collection. You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat More Beef posted [p:899149567] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon. <quote>According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted.</quote> So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 04/06/18 6:25:20 AM #16:	jumi posted... I won't say I'm not in favor of it, but it will be struck down in court. Cal12 posted... Will be struck down in court. This happened in another IL town and it was upheld in the lower court, the Supreme Court wouldnt touch it. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://i.imgtc.com/dD8IIcQ.jpg <cite>545x39 posted [p:899149633] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>I won't say I'm not in favor of it, but it will be struck down in court.</quote> <cite>Cal12 posted...</cite> <quote>Will be struck down in court.</quote> This happened in another IL town and it was upheld in the lower court, the Supreme Court wouldnt touch it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 04/06/18 6:36:13 AM #17:	Eat More Beef posted... Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon. According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," *or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."* Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted. So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em. So you can keep it, so long as it's never used, huh? Hmm --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:899149859] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eat More Beef posted...</cite> <quote>Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon. <quote>According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted.</quote> So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em.</quote> So you can keep it, so long as it's never used, huh? Hmm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnny_Nutcase 04/06/18 6:37:24 AM #18:	Chicken posted... Kombucha posted... this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover? This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard. --- I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another... until you just wish Flanders was dead. - Homer Simpson <cite>Johnny_Nutcase posted [p:899149889] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?</quote> This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StucklnMyPants 04/06/18 6:38:12 AM #19:	EverDownward posted... How the residents react could set a precedent for the future. My guess is they're fine with it. Included in the pdf, there are letters of support for the ban from regular citizens, that were used as argument in favor of the ban when it was presented. Also, if you look up the demographics of Deerfield, it's 95% white, strongly Democrat, and the median household income is slightly above 100k a year. Take from that what you will. --- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. <cite>StucklnMyPants posted [p:899149905] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote>How the residents react could set a precedent for the future.</quote> My guess is they're fine with it. Included in the pdf, there are letters of support for the ban from regular citizens, that were used as argument in favor of the ban when it was presented. Also, if you look up the demographics of Deerfield, it's 95% white, strongly Democrat, and the median household income is slightly above 100k a year. Take from that what you will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 04/06/18 7:13:48 AM #20:	Johnny_Nutcase posted... Chicken posted... Kombucha posted... this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover? This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard. Christ, here we go. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:899150602] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Johnny_Nutcase posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?</quote> This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.</quote> Christ, here we go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/06/18 7:28:51 AM #21:	Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899151001] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
S1nharvest 04/06/18 7:30:57 AM #22:	Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. Or read the topic --- All Hail King Ghidorah, the Monster Zero GT: KingxGeedorah - Psn: Sin_Ghidorah - http://i.imgur.com/k4Mc2.png <cite>S1nharvest posted [p:899151049] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> Or read the topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP 04/06/18 7:34:56 AM #23:	oh no, how will they continue on living their lives? --- * * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:899151146] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>oh no, how will they continue on living their lives?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/06/18 7:35:48 AM #24:	I did. Its still unconstitutional and every conservative is now gonna be motivated to vote. Are you trying to lose? --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899151163] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>I did. Its still unconstitutional and every conservative is now gonna be motivated to vote. Are you trying to lose?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/06/18 8:09:02 AM #25:	Eat More Beef posted... Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon. According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," *or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."* Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted. So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em. You can HAVE one. You just can't USE it. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899152023] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eat More Beef posted...</cite> <quote>Did anyone read the article? Cause there are three different ways one can keep their assault weapon. <quote>According to the ordinance, which the the Village Board of Trustees unanimously approved Monday night, it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card." Law enforcement officers, current and retired, are exempted.</quote> So, keep your pants on cause you can still own 'em.</quote> You can HAVE one. You just can't USE it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 04/06/18 8:34:26 AM #26:	Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules. Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms. No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious. --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:899152708] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> <cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules. Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms. No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/06/18 8:38:13 AM #27:	Ah, yes, the things liberals always accused conservatives of being paranoid about is finally happening. I'm truly shocked that pushing this agenda was their goal. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899152810] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Ah, yes, the things liberals always accused conservatives of being paranoid about is finally happening. I'm truly shocked that pushing this agenda was their goal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deupd_u 04/06/18 8:41:05 AM #28:	This is why we don't have a firearms registry --- Snipers don't shoot at paper, they shoot watermelons. http://i.imgur.com/jo511lG.jpg <cite>deupd_u posted [p:899152887] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>This is why we don't have a firearms registry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/06/18 8:42:41 AM #29:	Funny how "towns rights!" here now but when conservative places right to have decency/profanity laws, it's "muh first amendment!" (I'm not defending violations of the first amendment, I'm calling out hypocrites that want to ignore the 2nd) --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899152929] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Funny how "towns rights!" here now but when conservative places right to have decency/profanity laws, it's "muh first amendment!" (I'm not defending violations of the first amendment, I'm calling out hypocrites that want to ignore the 2nd)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dirtycup 04/06/18 8:42:43 AM #30:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Literally took seconds, huh? --- What goes on in the sea is of no interest to the rock <cite>dirtycup posted [p:899152931] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Literally took seconds, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/06/18 8:43:05 AM #31:	deupd_u posted... This is why we don't have a firearms registry That's a bingo! --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899152946] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>deupd_u posted...</cite> <quote>This is why we don't have a firearms registry</quote> That's a bingo!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JScriv 04/06/18 8:44:33 AM #32:	So, any AR or AK-type rifle that can accept their magazines, or PMAGs. So basically any decent rifle thats come out in the last few years. And everyone that doesnt disassemble or relinquish it will be fined, with no refund if they do comply. Yeah this is stupid. Im all for gun registration and a licensing system but this is not how gun control should be done. This is how you keep conservatives in power. --- Stretch the bones over my skin, stretch the skin over my head I'm going to the holy land <cite>JScriv posted [p:899153001] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>So, any AR or AK-type rifle that can accept their magazines, or PMAGs. So basically any decent rifle thats come out in the last few years. And everyone that doesnt disassemble or relinquish it will be fined, with no refund if they do comply. Yeah this is stupid. Im all for gun registration and a licensing system but this is not how gun control should be done. This is how you keep conservatives in power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 04/06/18 8:44:49 AM #33:	https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/boy-shot-sister-over-video-game-trnd/index.html A 9-year-old boy retrieved a gun from his parents' bedroom and shot his 13-year-old sister to death, authorities said, after the two got into an argument over a video game controller. A 9 year old just being able to find a gun in his parents' bedroom is a batshit insane situation. You can't just allow people to keep loaded guns lying around especially when you have kids. It's extraordinarily irresponsible. Not sure exactly how much regulation is necessary, but some regulation is necessary. Guns may be a constitutional right but they aren't popsicles. They're fucking dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or if you leave them lying around with kids running about. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:899153011] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/boy-shot-sister-over-video-game-trnd/index.html <quote>A 9-year-old boy retrieved a gun from his parents' bedroom and shot his 13-year-old sister to death, authorities said, after the two got into an argument over a video game controller. </quote> A 9 year old just being able to find a gun in his parents' bedroom is a batshit insane situation. You can't just allow people to keep loaded guns lying around especially when you have kids. It's extraordinarily irresponsible. Not sure exactly how much regulation is necessary, but some regulation is necessary. Guns may be a constitutional right but they aren't popsicles. They're fucking dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or if you leave them lying around with kids running about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/06/18 8:46:32 AM #34:	itachi15243 posted... Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules. Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms. No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious. The Constitution clearly states 'keep and bare.' Keep AND bare. AND. BARE. The law is unconstitutional. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899153054] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> <cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules. Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms. No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious.</quote> The Constitution clearly states 'keep and bare.' Keep AND bare. AND. BARE. The law is unconstitutional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 04/06/18 8:47:03 AM #35:	So literal gun confiscation and CE libs are okay with it. Color me surprised. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:899153071] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>So literal gun confiscation and CE libs are okay with it. Color me surprised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NINExATExSEVEN 04/06/18 8:47:49 AM #36:	Let them try to go door to door to take people's guns away. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... <cite>NINExATExSEVEN posted [p:899153093] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Let them try to go door to door to take people's guns away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 04/06/18 8:48:16 AM #37:	darkjedilink posted... The Constitution clearly states 'keep and bare.' Keep AND bare. AND. BARE. The law is unconstitutional. Uh..... There's a pretty significant difference between bear and bare :) --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:899153106] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> The Constitution clearly states 'keep and bare.' Keep AND bare. AND. BARE. The law is unconstitutional.</quote> Uh..... There's a pretty significant difference between bear and bare :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/06/18 8:48:30 AM #38:	frozenshock posted... Guns may be a constitutional right Oh well how nice of you to concede the point maybe! Fuck off. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899153118] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>Guns may be a constitutional right </quote> Oh well how nice of you to concede the point maybe! Fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 04/06/18 8:49:37 AM #39:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... frozenshock posted... Guns may be a constitutional right Oh well how nice of you to concede the point maybe! Fuck off. What's your problem? --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:899153150] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>Guns may be a constitutional right </quote> Oh well how nice of you to concede the point maybe! Fuck off.</quote> What's your problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CapnMuffin 04/06/18 8:50:57 AM #40:	Can someone please explain what this accomplishes other than new revenue for the state??? --- "its okay a lizard ate me and elucidated my fate" - MJ_Max on Dark Souls 3DSFC : 0860-3930-2170 \| NNID : CapnMuffin \| XBGT : Capn Muffin <cite>CapnMuffin posted [p:899153183] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Can someone please explain what this accomplishes other than new revenue for the state???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 04/06/18 8:52:05 AM #41:	If this is about personal ownership, I don't see why current and retired police officers should be exempt tbqh --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:899153221] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>If this is about personal ownership, I don't see why current and retired police officers should be exempt tbqh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EpicMickeyDrew 04/06/18 8:52:09 AM #42:	Johnny_Nutcase posted... Chicken posted... Kombucha posted... this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD! lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover? This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard. Doesn't matter that the citizens would eventually lose, it matters that before they lose they would do a significant amount of damage to the army, which is incentive enough for the army not to invade. It's just like the strip and the NCR in fallout new vegas. --- Just how, pray tell, does your dick "take life"? How could a dick take a life? - XciteMe <cite>EpicMickeyDrew posted [p:899153224] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>Johnny_Nutcase posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>this is the first step, disarming the population. once the village leadership has gathered all of the guns they will begin the process of consolidating power and enslaving the residents. SAD!</quote> lmao do you really think the average citizen with a gun would be able to fight off a military takeover?</quote> This. Even if every citizen in that town had an AR. The military would wipe them out in seconds. It's the most idiotic argument for guns i've ever heard.</quote> Doesn't matter that the citizens would eventually lose, it matters that before they lose they would do a significant amount of damage to the army, which is incentive enough for the army not to invade. It's just like the strip and the NCR in fallout new vegas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NINExATExSEVEN 04/06/18 8:54:21 AM #43:	The Admiral posted... Ah, yes, the things liberals always accused conservatives of being paranoid about is finally happening. I'm truly shocked that pushing this agenda was their goal. Right! I always thought that liberals were the good guys who always tell the truth and never lie just to push a sleazy agenda. I'm really shocked this is happening! What else have liberals lied about? --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... <cite>NINExATExSEVEN posted [p:899153296] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, yes, the things liberals always accused conservatives of being paranoid about is finally happening. I'm truly shocked that pushing this agenda was their goal.</quote> Right! I always thought that liberals were the good guys who always tell the truth and never lie just to push a sleazy agenda. I'm really shocked this is happening! What else have liberals lied about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/06/18 8:57:38 AM #44:	itachi15243 posted... Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. Caution999 posted... Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights. The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules. Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms. No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious. If you're going to go that route, you can make this argument about every single firearm. There's nothing special about the AR-15. Would you be okay with the government punishing people for saying subversive/controversial things just on facebook? "You still have the right to express your opinions. You just can't do so on facebook. Other outlets are fine." --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:899153403] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> <cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to take your guns you lunatic!! Well? What do we say now? Why would anyone want less rights? This is idiotic. This is a slap in the face of our constitutional rights.</quote> The argument was never nobody, just not many. And these people can still keep their guns if they follow the rules. Owning an AR-15 is not a right. You still have the right to bear arms. You don't have the right to right to bear any and all arms. No it isn't. Also, the Constitution is amendable. Just out of curiosity, if it was ever ammended to nullify or not include the current second amendment, what would you argue then? I doubt it will happen, just curious.</quote> If you're going to go that route, you can make this argument about every single firearm. There's nothing special about the AR-15. Would you be okay with the government punishing people for saying subversive/controversial things just on facebook? "You still have the right to express your opinions. You just can't do so on facebook. Other outlets are fine."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaShinkai 04/06/18 8:58:58 AM #45:	JScriv posted... So, any AR or AK-type rifle that can accept their magazines, or PMAGs. So basically any decent rifle thats come out in the last few years. And everyone that doesnt disassemble or relinquish it will be fined, with no refund if they do comply. Yeah this is stupid. Im all for gun registration and a licensing system but this is not how gun control should be done. This is how you keep conservatives in power. I find their specific picking out of the SVD/SVU funny. Who in the hell actually has an SVU? <cite>OmegaShinkai posted [p:899153437] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote><cite>JScriv posted...</cite> <quote>So, any AR or AK-type rifle that can accept their magazines, or PMAGs. So basically any decent rifle thats come out in the last few years. And everyone that doesnt disassemble or relinquish it will be fined, with no refund if they do comply. Yeah this is stupid. Im all for gun registration and a licensing system but this is not how gun control should be done. This is how you keep conservatives in power.</quote> I find their specific picking out of the SVD/SVU funny. Who in the hell actually has an SVU?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 04/06/18 8:59:56 AM #46:	NRA sues Deerfeld. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:899153470] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>NRA sues Deerfeld.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
50Blessings 04/06/18 9:01:06 AM #47:	Of course it's in crooked ass Illinois that this happens. --- America is a tune. It must be sung together. --50 Blessings https://i.imgur.com/xKI9rbb.jpg https://imgur.com/vcX6hik <cite>50Blessings posted [p:899153511] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Of course it's in crooked ass Illinois that this happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QassTank 04/06/18 9:01:43 AM #48:	The government now has the right to search you and confiscate anything of yours without consent or a warrant if you're on a public road. You still have protection against unreasonable search and seizure, just not on public roads. Everywhere else, you're fine. --- John 6:53 Jesus promoting cannibalism. AssultTank at work! Work PC 1 account. <cite>QassTank posted [p:899153530] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>The government now has the right to search you and confiscate anything of yours without consent or a warrant if you're on a public road. You still have protection against unreasonable search and seizure, just not on public roads. Everywhere else, you're fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeuralLaxative 04/06/18 9:02:27 AM #49:	Good, most yahoos shouldnt have guns anyway tbh --- http://i.imgur.com/JW8T9kW.gif ---> http://i.imgur.com/UforGKe.gif <cite>NeuralLaxative posted [p:899153554] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>Good, most yahoos shouldnt have guns anyway tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sondast 04/06/18 9:04:26 AM #50:	City of Deerfield: "Keep your rifles locked up like the responsible gun owners you claim to be." Conservatives of CE: "The libruls are taking our guns!!!" --- Take a lesson from parakeets. If you're ever feeling lonely, just eat in front of a mirror. <cite>sondast posted [p:899153620] in Illinois t... [t:76489965]...</cite> <quote>City of Deerfield: "Keep your rifles locked up like the responsible gun owners you claim to be." Conservatives of CE: "The libruls are taking our guns!!!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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