Board 8 > [VGMC] Video Games Music Contest 12 - Bracket and Discussion, round 3 and beyond

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banshiryuu
05/23/18 3:48:26 AM
#202:


wait what the heck mycro is the one responsible for shining wizard?!?!

wait oh nevermind i thought shining wizard was shine on me, aka kailua injected with candy rave, but it's the 96 one okay nevermind that makes sense
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Xuxon
05/23/18 4:11:52 AM
#203:


i'm not sure a song of "mine" has ever made it past the second round. they usually don't make it past the first round. i've nominated a bunch of stuff that retired (and one that won the whole contest) but i don't think i was ever the first one.
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OrangeCrush980
05/23/18 7:01:10 AM
#204:


End of All (Land) >>>>> End of All (Sky)

End of All (Mercer) would've been worth a try if Land didn't retire this year.
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xp1337
05/23/18 8:04:34 AM
#205:


barreldragon88 posted...
You keep harping on this version when it's still very good -_-

With the exception of the extended discussion where I linked the DLC version/The Road Should End Here/Lost in the Waves/whatever the official name is, I'm almost positive it's all been pretty tounge-in-cheek, with me signalling it by eschewing proper capitalization and grammar. And even with that included, I only recall doing so 4 times, and that's counting my post in yesterday's match topic and this topic separately.

all considered that's really not much imo, and definitely not as critical as i could be

I also intentionally shelved any talk of it during nominations because I didn't want to possibly undercut it there.

MycroProcessor posted...
Oh and also xp and I mutually came up with the Ar Tonelico II list that won BOST so that's something but I guess that one was under their name and not mine.

I mean, the nomination is under my name, but I've always been open about sharing credit for that and how it wasn't done alone!
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th3l3fty
05/23/18 10:49:05 AM
#206:


Mac Arrowny posted...
(how did WED and DED not do better in VGMC3 anyway wtf is reset wtf is diving)

9 years later and I'm still annoyed by those pity votes
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pyresword
05/23/18 10:59:50 AM
#207:


Think the only one of my songs to ever retire was Whereabouts of Light.

I may have also been the first one to nominate Memories of You the year that retired, but I don't really think of that one as my nomination. Was also a consistent supporter of Someday the Dream Will End but I definitely wasn't the first one to nominate it or anything.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/23/18 11:06:33 AM
#208:


i don't really like WED and DED and ZTS in general kinda sucks.

probably my most controversial VGM opinion for this board!!
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barreldragon88
05/23/18 12:17:51 PM
#209:


Lopen posted...
End of All (Sky) definitely is the way better version. Not sure why (Land) was the one nominated. (I voted it mostly due to being underwhelmed by the other song)

Isn't the only difference in the lyrics??
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trdl23
05/23/18 1:13:57 PM
#210:


I nom'd ASGORE though that was going to be a shoo-in no matter who nominated it. I think the only other one of mine to make R4 was True Hero this year.
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azuarc
05/23/18 4:11:54 PM
#211:


MycroProcessor posted...
MAYBE ITS BECAUSE YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC IS MADE OUT OF "6 MINUTES AGO" ALE THOUGHTS WITH all of your hungry boys

I don't even know what this means, but I think it's hilarious that Mycro is the one to dunk on KCF for that.

For retirees I'm either responsible for discovering or pushing...
* Seize the Truth!
* Fear Factory
* Oil and Sweat
* Rapal
* Monolith

Only in Rapal's case has my attempt to push a follow-up song from any of these games been successful.
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:19:40 PM
#212:


So, while I'd listened to some of the OST way back because Gust, this VGMC pushed me to (eventually) listen to all of the Blue Reflection OST. Definitely a hidden gem IMO. The boss themes are all A+ and it has other songs like Qualia that I really like.

azuarc posted...
For retirees I'm either responsible for discovering or pushing...
* Seize the Truth!

speaking of things i'm salty about

of all the songs from my BOST4 nom of Ao Evo to find any vgmc success
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banshiryuu
05/23/18 4:28:43 PM
#213:


xp1337 posted...
So, while I'd listened to some of the OST way back because Gust, this VGMC pushed me to (eventually) listen to all of the Blue Reflection OST. Definitely a hidden gem IMO. The boss themes are all A+ and it has other songs like Qualia that I really like.

Exactly this for me as well. I've liked a few songs like the TIGARs and "You're not a heroine, it's me." since the soundtrack first showed up, but with OVERDOSE, Albireo Lake, and Sayonara all getting in I finally sat down and listened to the whole thing. Breakthrough and binGe 1 and 3 especially are all quickly climbing my personal top lists.
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azuarc
05/23/18 4:30:42 PM
#214:


I also liked Silence in the Sunlight Filtering Through the Trees, and would have no objection to seeing Conflicting Passions nominated. I'm just not that hype about Azure Arb or Concentrating All Firepower.
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pyresword
05/23/18 4:34:01 PM
#215:


Azure Arbitrator worst Trails final boss theme.

Ok I don't know Zero's or CS3's and can't remember CS1's, but it's the worst from among the others at least.
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:34:05 PM
#216:


Azure Arbitrator wasn't part of the nom!

(the nom was not very good tbqh)
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:34:50 PM
#217:


pyresword posted...
and can't remember CS1's

Either A Mighty Power or Decisive Collision depending on what you're counting.
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pyresword
05/23/18 4:37:45 PM
#218:


Well I do like AA better than both of those if I'm thinking of the right ones.
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Mac Arrowny
05/23/18 4:39:31 PM
#219:


Azure Arbitrator possibly my favorite Trails song <_<
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Janus5k
05/23/18 4:40:54 PM
#220:


Azure Arbitrator > Decisive Collision > Merciless Savior > To a Glimmering Tomorrow > Dreamy and Boisterous Holy Land > Arrival Existence (Zero) > I can never remember what FC's is called

don't remember CS3's but I think I was underwhelmed
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:41:52 PM
#221:


Azure Arbitrator is alright. But not as good as The Merciless Savior, A Mighty Power, or Dreamy and Boisterous Holy Land. Zero (Arrival Existence) is pretty close, probably lean Zero. Think I take it over CS2 and it crushes FC.
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azuarc
05/23/18 4:42:17 PM
#222:


xp1337 posted...
Azure Arbitrator wasn't part of the nom!

(the nom was not very good tbqh)

It wasn't? I could have sworn I knew the name from BOST. I know there was one song from that list you were super hyped about, and I was really meh toward, and Azure Arb seems like just the track that would fit that bill.

Meanwhile, you were surprised at the support Seize the Truth got, but I turned around and nominated it for VGMC and it won.
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:43:19 PM
#223:


Janus5k posted...
I can never remember what FC's is called

Those Who Protect the Greatest Treasure
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banshiryuu
05/23/18 4:44:36 PM
#224:


Holy Land is the single only trails song i think i'd ever support ((okay no that's a lie, if things were looking Really Bad for me I'd probably also go for GOTB Roaring or Sophisticated Fight))

That being said, I do really like all of the Trails final bosses I think. Weakest to me is Arrival Existence and even that's still pretty good
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Janus5k
05/23/18 4:44:49 PM
#225:


That sounds familiar.

Only one I'm not super fond of among those seven, although if I counted A Mighty Power and EOV they'd be pretty low.
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azuarc
05/23/18 4:44:57 PM
#226:


Well, guys, we might as well call this thing now and start the conversation awhile. Here are your 8 retirees this year. Rank 'em:

Granado Espada - Laguerra del Mundo
Persona 5 - Rivers in the Desert
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana - Sunshine Coastline
Persona 5 - Last Surprise
Ar Nosurge - Hidra Heteromycin
Ginga Force - Zenith
Fire Emblem Fates - End of All (Land)
Nier Automata - Amusement Park


I suppose I don't have to tell you which song I'd put last...actually, this is probably reasonably close to my actual order. Maybe push Zenith up to 4th.
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:48:08 PM
#227:


azuarc posted...
Meanwhile, you were surprised at the support Seize the Truth got, but I turned around and nominated it for VGMC and it won.

I mean, IIRC, it became pretty clear from BOST4 that Seize the Truth was the strongest of the list, it's just I don't care about that and that doesn't mean I'm going to turn around and nominate it for VGMC over songs I like more.

List was: Azure Wish, Concentrate All Firepower!!, Seize the Truth, Omen, Unfathomed Force, Silence in the..., and Conflicting Passions (Alt.)

If I was hype about any it'd probably be one of the first two there. Azure Wish has always been my favorite from the OST and Concentrate All Firepower is basically an instrumental boss battle version of it.
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barreldragon88
05/23/18 4:48:29 PM
#228:


Laguerra retired so I don't have to hear it again. Have to say the retirees are pretty underwhelming overall
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Mr Lasastryke
05/23/18 4:48:43 PM
#229:


i'm bad at ranking stuff but i like all those songs except for rivers in the desert. easily my least favorite out of the persona 5 songs in the contest. at least last surprise is on there too, though.
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KCF0107
05/23/18 4:50:46 PM
#230:


Sunshine > Amusement >>> Zenith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest

probably Rivers > Surprise > Land > Mundo > Hidra
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banshiryuu
05/23/18 4:50:57 PM
#231:


Zenith >>> Sunshine Coastline > Laguerra del Mundo >>> Rivers in the Desert >>>>> Last Surprise > Hidra Heteromycin >>>(why is this here divider)>>> Amusement Park >>>>>> End of All (Land)

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Mac Arrowny
05/23/18 4:54:01 PM
#232:


Great Winner Tier
Persona 5 - Rivers in the Desert
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana - Sunshine Coastline

Very Good Winner Tier
Nier Automata - Amusement Park
Granado Espada - Laguerra del Mundo
Ar Nosurge - Hidra Heteromycin

Meh Winner Tier
Fire Emblem Fates - End of All (Land)
Persona 5 - Last Surprise

Why Tier
Ginga Force - Zenith

Tiers are roughly ordered, but could mostly go either way depending on what I felt like if the songs within meet. I nommed SC last year and was pretty disappointed in how it did, but I guess it was worth persevering with it after all <_<. I don't think I Supported any of these this year, other than maybe Amusement Park...?
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:54:08 PM
#233:


azuarc posted...
Here are your 8 retirees this year. Rank 'em:

Tier 1: Worthy contest winner
Ar Nosurge - Hidra Heteromycin

Tier 2: I'm okay with this winning but it'd underwhelm me a bit like Seize the Truth did 'cuz the OST has better (timely!)
Nier Automata - Amusement Park

Tier 3: i guess
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana - Sunshine Coastline
Persona 5 - Rivers in the Desert

Tier 4: ...i have serious reservations
Fire Emblem Fates - End of All (Land)
Persona 5 - Last Surprise

Tier 5: no thanks bro
Granado Espada - Laguerra del Mundo
Ginga Force - Zenith
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pyresword
05/23/18 4:54:54 PM
#234:


Rivers > Amusement > Zenith > Hidra > Sunshine > Last Surprise > End of All > Laguerra

Overall I wouldn't say I'm thrilled about the retirees. Rivers is great; Amusement Park and Zenith are solid; and the rest are varying degrees of okay I guess? At least there's nothing straight-up bad that's remaining, which has happened in the past.
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Janus5k
05/23/18 4:55:57 PM
#235:


Hidra > Rivers >= Sunshine > Not Id >> Zenith > Amusement > Thewar > literally Last

Would be very happy with any of the first four winning, and they're all at least okay.
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xp1337
05/23/18 4:55:58 PM
#236:


pyresword posted...
straight-up bad that's remaining, which has happened in the past.

straight-up bad has won in the past tbqh

>_>
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th3l3fty
05/23/18 4:58:30 PM
#237:


there is at least one song remaining that would rank as my least-favorite champion ever
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Sceptilesolar
05/23/18 4:59:12 PM
#238:


Rivers > Sunshine Coastline > HH > Last Surprise (all worthy winners) > Amusement Park > LdM > End of All > Zenith.

I don't hate any of them at least, though I'm a little confused by Zenith and wish it were Glass instead.

I think it's a high quality crowd overall though.
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DragonImps
05/23/18 6:24:10 PM
#239:


Rivers > Surprise > End of All > Sunshine > Hidra > Amusment > Laguerra > Zenith

The Persona tracks are a couple of my favorites in the contest. Guess I could call them some of my favorite "discoveries", but I'm an unclutured pleb and hadn't heard most of the contenders before this contest anyway >_> The other retirees are very nice, although I find Laguerra and Zenith kinda forgettable.
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azuarc
05/23/18 6:32:23 PM
#240:


Ed says...

In an ideal bracket, these would have been the retired tracks:
Final Fantasy VII - Jenova Absolute
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - Twilight of the Gods
Persona 5 - Life Will Change
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky - Primal Dialga Battle
Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure - Phantom R's Theme
Tekken 7 - Moonsiders 1st
Undertale - Battle Against a True Hero
Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 5 - Fallen Angel
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xp1337
05/23/18 6:34:21 PM
#241:


azuarc posted...
In an ideal bracket

wouldn't an ideal bracket have his top 8 spaced out so they each retire

or is ed saying that is his top 8 songs in the contest
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azuarc
05/23/18 7:06:07 PM
#242:


He's saying those are his ideal results from the bracket we have. In other words, they're what he has in his predix.
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Ytterbicide
05/23/18 7:41:09 PM
#243:


Laguerra del Mundo > Sunshine Coastline > [Dr. Fetus Castle] > Hidra Heteromycin > Amusement Park > Rivers in the Desert = Zenith > End of All (Land) > Last Surprise
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Popcorn_Fairy
05/23/18 7:41:22 PM
#244:


Here is my order of favorites.

Amusement Park
Rivers in the Desert
Last Surprise
Laguerra del Mundo
Hidra Heteromycin
Sunshine Coastline
Zenith
End of All (Land)
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Advokaiser
05/23/18 7:53:58 PM
#245:


azuarc posted...
Ed says...

In an ideal bracket, these would have been the retired tracks:
Final Fantasy VII - Jenova Absolute
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky - Primal Dialga Battle
Undertale - Battle Against a True Hero
Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 5 - Fallen Angel


Amazing taste, Ed! That's almost perf--

Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure - Phantom R's Theme


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Xuxon
05/23/18 8:02:33 PM
#246:


rather than pure rankings, i will separate these songs into tiers:

i don't love Laguerra, Hidra, and End of All but they're decent. they wouldn't offend me as winners.

Amusment Park and Sunshine Coastline would offend me as winners, but definitely wouldn't be the worst at least.

Zenith, Last Surprise and Rivers in the Desert would all be in the conversation for my least favorite winner ever.
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FL81
05/23/18 8:06:21 PM
#247:


Contest Winner Tier
Ginga Force - Zenith
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana - Sunshine Coastline

Great Tier
Granado Espada - Laguerra del Mundo
Ar Nosurge - Hidra Heteromycin

Good Tier
Persona 5 - Rivers in the Desert

Why is this here? Tier
Nier Automata - Amusement Park

I don't like this. Tier
Fire Emblem Fates - End of All (Land)
Persona 5 - Last Surprise
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FL81
05/23/18 8:14:16 PM
#248:


azuarc posted...
He's saying those are his ideal results from the bracket we have. In other words, they're what he has in his predix.

Hmm let's see what I have

Pokmon Super Mystery Dungeon - Second Dark Matter Battle
Gokinjo Boukentai - Normal Battle
Trouble Outsiders - A Battle with Destiny
God Eater 2: Rage Burst - Invitation of the Butterfly
Touhou 11: Subterranean Animism - Lullaby of Deserted Hell
Ginga Force - Zenith
Len'en Reiretsuden ~ Reactivate Majestical Imperial - A Name Cast Off from the Edge
Super Smash Bros. Melee - Fire Emblem

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PSI_NESS
05/23/18 8:27:43 PM
#249:


Laguerra del Mundo = Sunshine Coastline > Last Surprise > Hidra Heteromycin > Zenith > Amusement Park > End of All (Land) > Rivers in the Desert
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NFUN
05/23/18 9:58:03 PM
#250:


oh wait twilight of the gods was in? I actually grew to like that
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NFUN
05/23/18 9:59:14 PM
#251:


i dont understand phantom thief r hate its generic or inoffensive at worst
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