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CyricZ 05/10/18 7:41:52 AM #1: |
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ImmortalityV 05/10/18 7:42:39 AM #2: |
Roflmao
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ThatMuttGuy 05/10/18 7:43:11 AM #3: |
I hope this topic is satire
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eston 05/10/18 7:43:41 AM #4: |
lol that's very poorly worded
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Frolex 05/10/18 7:44:47 AM #5: |
lol, had to be intentional on the part of the person who wrote it
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Coffeebeanz 05/10/18 7:47:44 AM #6: |
David Cage games aren't really my thing, but I honestly think they're a really cool idea and I respect the fact that he's all in with them.
Are they perfect? Obviously not. At least they're different and have really high production values. For a certain subset of people, they're probably great. I thought Until Dawn, which took a lot of influences from David Cage, was excellent. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/10/18 7:54:45 AM #7: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
At least they're different and have really high production values. That doesn't mean a thing if you highly produce shit. Disclaimer: I never played Indigo but Beyond Two Souls was horribly written and had awful game design. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 05/10/18 7:56:29 AM #8: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
I thought Until Dawn, which took a lot of influences from David Cage, was excellent. What influence did it take from him other than being a QTE-driven story game --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 05/10/18 7:56:41 AM #9: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...At least they're different and have really high production values. I think most people would argue that BTS is the weakest DC game, so it's not exactly the standard bearer for his design ethos. Indigo Prophecy and Heavy Rain are really the two big ones. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/10/18 7:58:33 AM #10: |
Indeed, Until Dawn was fantastic. A Way Out is similarly really good.
My big problem with David Cage games is that it seems like he doesn't learn anything between releases except how to spend more money. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/10/18 7:59:36 AM #11: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Coffeebeanz posted...At least they're different and have really high production values. Heavy Rain was okay. I'd say 5/10 maybe 6/10 just because of the SHAUN! Glitch Deeply flawed in terms of poor story and awful awful game design but it had some good ideas and the people making it seemed to actually care about it, it felt like a passion project. Beyond Two Souls just felt like a boring trainwreck from start to finish. Of all the games I have ever actually completed, Beyond Two Souls is probably the worst game I've ever played. CyricZ posted... Indeed, Until Dawn was fantastic. A Way Out is similarly really good. Until Dawn was great. A Way Out I felt was a mess. Especially the story. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 05/10/18 8:17:17 AM #12: |
pegusus123456 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...I thought Until Dawn, which took a lot of influences from David Cage, was excellent. It's practically the same basic structure of "interactive movie" where choices impact the flow of the story. Until Dawn had a better setting and characters, though. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Musourenka 05/10/18 8:20:33 AM #13: |
Indigo Prophecy was good for the first two-thirds of the game, then everything goes wrong quickly afterward.
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008Zulu 05/10/18 8:26:13 AM #14: |
QTE based games are so last decade.
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VectorChaos 05/10/18 8:27:27 AM #15: |
Press X to SHAUN!
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UnfairRepresent 05/10/18 8:41:16 AM #16: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
pegusus123456 posted...Coffeebeanz posted...I thought Until Dawn, which took a lot of influences from David Cage, was excellent. No choice affected the story in Until Dawn. Just like in every "choice" heavy game It solely affected who lived and died. Which is why it worked. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 05/10/18 8:44:56 AM #18: |
Heavy Rain is horrible. Seriously how the fuck did that car kill Jason? It should of barely injured Ethan FFS.
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CyricZ 05/10/18 9:58:01 AM #19: |
Out of the four released David Cage games, Heavy Rain is the best, in my opinion. It still has big problems, and falls apart at the denouement, but the murder mystery aspect keeps you well-invested.
Beyond Two Souls is a lot of potential talent wasted around a creepy Ellen Page obsession and a rather odd insistence on nonlinear storytelling and holding to the "game overs are a failure of the game designer" philosophy. Indigo Prophecy is awesome for the first two hours, but it falls apart quick. Omikron is... it just is. I have two big worries about Detroit. One, it's been done, and by people with far better writing credentials. Two, word coming out of Quantric Dream is that it's a shithole to work in. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 05/10/18 10:07:13 AM #20: |
Omikron was ridiculously ambitious for a game from 2000.
Way, way, way, way WAY too ambitious for the technology available at the time. Granted, I played it on Dreamcast and not PC. Big kudos for an exclusive David Bowie song, though. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WelcomeToNilbog 05/10/18 10:23:03 AM #21: |
Cage is the biggest hack working in the game industry, IMO.
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Coffeebeanz 05/10/18 10:25:16 AM #22: |
WelcomeToNilbog posted...
Cage is the biggest hack working in the game industry, IMO. Only because Peter Molyneux is basically retired --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WelcomeToNilbog 05/10/18 10:26:25 AM #23: |
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Omikron was ridiculously ambitious for a game from 2000. Ambition does not always lead to quality output, though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/10/18 10:27:06 AM #24: |
Well no one will ever say that Cage suffers from a lack of ambition.
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WelcomeToNilbog 05/10/18 10:27:15 AM #25: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
WelcomeToNilbog posted...Cage is the biggest hack working in the game industry, IMO. At least Molyneux never repeatedly and openly denigrated the industry he worked in. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 05/10/18 10:29:35 AM #26: |
WelcomeToNilbog posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...Omikron was ridiculously ambitious for a game from 2000. I dunno, I actually really respect what Omikron tried to do. It was at least a decade ahead of its time, if not more. It had a lot of concepts that weren't even conceived of at the time but became industry standards. It's not a good game but if you go back and play it now, realizing it was a game programmed in 1999, you'd be completely floored by the concepts Quantic Dream came up with in that era. The idea of an open world, nonlinear game with optional sidequests with passive storytelling is kind of crazy for 1999 --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AvantgardeAClue 05/10/18 10:34:09 AM #27: |
The only one I liked was Heavy Rain
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Ivynn 05/10/18 10:36:28 AM #28: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
WelcomeToNilbog posted...Cage is the biggest hack working in the game industry, IMO. This is a great post --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 05/10/18 10:36:35 AM #29: |
https://twitter.com/SBFP_Facts/status/994479029070725120
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Doe 05/10/18 11:32:35 AM #30: |
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"game overs are a failure of the game designer" philosophy. Lmao what --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/11/18 1:10:13 PM #31: |
Doe posted...
CyricZ posted..."game overs are a failure of the game designer" philosophy. A lot of people support it --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 05/11/18 1:12:00 PM #32: |
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Doe posted...CyricZ posted..."game overs are a failure of the game designer" philosophy. Maybe I'm not understanding right Like if it's a platformer and you fail the jump how do you not get a game over --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/11/18 1:16:08 PM #33: |
In essence it's the idea that if a player fails at a task that you as a game designer made, then that's a failure more on your design than on the player.
Interpreted a certain way, one could say it means that a game designer should strive to be fair in the challenges presented to the player. Interpreted the David Cage way, it means that you make a game (like Beyond Two Souls) where it's impossible to have a fail state, even in places where fail states would be largely expected, like a war zone. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EverDownward 05/11/18 1:20:09 PM #34: |
David Cage is what Hideo Kojima is without the well insulated shell of a talented and uncredited team the later had.
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CyricZ 05/11/18 1:58:07 PM #36: |
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Heavy Rain is one of my favorite games ever but Indigo Prophecy is the weirdest game I have ever played. Oh dearie. Look into Omikron. Don't play it. Just watch the Super Best Friends play it or something. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EverDownward 05/11/18 2:00:30 PM #37: |
CyricZ posted...
Aeriis posted...Heavy Rain is one of my favorite games ever but Indigo Prophecy is the weirdest game I have ever played. Didn't Doug TenNapel make that? I love his stuff. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 05/11/18 2:03:27 PM #38: |
BLAKUboy posted...
https://twitter.com/SBFP_Facts/status/994479029070725120 For real, I haven't seen it used that much even though it's just perfect. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Ivory_Man 05/11/18 2:07:03 PM #39: |
EverDownward posted...
David Cage is what Hideo Kojima is without the well insulated shell of a talented and uncredited team the later had. This actually might not be that bad of a comparison. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/11/18 2:26:17 PM #40: |
EverDownward posted...
CyricZ posted...Aeriis posted...Heavy Rain is one of my favorite games ever but Indigo Prophecy is the weirdest game I have ever played. Omikron: The Nomad Soul is the first game David Cage ever made, before he was a bigger name. Before there were... rules... about game design. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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neverwin 05/11/18 2:36:57 PM #41: |
If you want to watch a play through about how bad Omikron is, the super best friends is not the way to go.
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Rikiaz 05/11/18 2:37:42 PM #42: |
CyricZ posted...
EverDownward posted...CyricZ posted...Aeriis posted...Heavy Rain is one of my favorite games ever but Indigo Prophecy is the weirdest game I have ever played. Is that the game where you are supposed to be sucked into it. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 05/11/18 2:40:09 PM #43: |
spikethedevil posted...
Heavy Rain is horrible. Seriously how the fuck did that car kill Jason? It should of barely injured Ethan FFS. It was going so fast that it put Ethan into a coma. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hollow_shrine 05/11/18 2:40:30 PM #44: |
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https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/994428570482171904?s=19 Shade, ladies and gentlemen. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 05/11/18 2:41:05 PM #45: |
Game overs are a failure of the game designer.
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NinjaWarrior455 05/11/18 2:56:12 PM #46: |
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spikethedevil 05/11/18 5:06:47 PM #47: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
spikethedevil posted...Heavy Rain is horrible. Seriously how the fuck did that car kill Jason? It should of barely injured Ethan FFS. The car wasn't even going that fast the whole scene is so damn stupid. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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