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Ashethan
05/22/18 7:08:29 PM
#351:


Corrik posted...
So in the end, it appears to have been two sides arguing things they likely agree on for the most part but are arguing against each other under the veils of different labels.


It really wasn't. Not in the least.

Like, I'm not sure how you come away from it with this.
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kevwaffles
05/22/18 7:08:58 PM
#352:


Corrik posted...
It is called conversing with people.

I'm not arguing against the premise of conversing with people about a topic, but your concern seemed to be brevity up until this response that really indicates more research than you claimed to want to do.
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 7:09:34 PM
#353:


As someone who was in the virtual trenches, I can answer any questions you have Corrik, and if you think my bias is too heavy, call me out and Ill explain my thought process
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 7:10:59 PM
#354:


Ashethan posted...
Corrik posted...
So in the end, it appears to have been two sides arguing things they likely agree on for the most part but are arguing against each other under the veils of different labels.


It really wasn't. Not in the least.

Like, I'm not sure how you come away from it with this.


I can see it from the perspective of clearly everyone wants journalists to be held to a high standard.

The difference between the two sides is what those standards are and how the public should deal with those who transgress
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xp1337
05/22/18 7:12:03 PM
#355:


Ashethan posted...
Like, I'm not sure how you come away from it with this.

I can. If you just assume the truth must be somewhere in the "middle" without actually looking into the issue(s), and ignore that such a position can be consciously taken advantage of by one or both sides.

basically, and I'm not saying this applies to you Corrik, the general mindset you often see behind people who subscribe to "both sides" mindsets.
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 7:20:37 PM
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Corrik
05/22/18 7:36:21 PM
#357:


Ashethan posted...
Corrik posted...
So in the end, it appears to have been two sides arguing things they likely agree on for the most part but are arguing against each other under the veils of different labels.


It really wasn't. Not in the least.

Like, I'm not sure how you come away from it with this.

I came away with this by talking to both sides and seeing how drastically different their view of it was.

Like it boils down to both sides saying the other side is saying something other than that side says they are trying to say. What I got from my NeoGAF breakdown at least.
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Corrik
05/22/18 7:38:19 PM
#358:


Jakyl25 posted...
As someone who was in the virtual trenches, I can answer any questions you have Corrik, and if you think my bias is too heavy, call me out and Ill explain my thought process

I will talk with you about it later. Kind of busy ATM.
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xp1337
05/22/18 8:29:49 PM
#359:


In case you guys want a throwback to the classics, the NFL is apparently considering making kneeling during the anthem a 15 yard penalty.

Honestly, this idea sounds too dumb even for the NFL to me, but if they actually go through with it, I'd stop watching.

(it's also just really dumb on a number of levels)
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Corrik
05/22/18 8:31:24 PM
#360:


xp1337 posted...
In case you guys want a throwback to the classics, the NFL is apparently considering making kneeling during the anthem a 15 yard penalty.

Honestly, this idea sounds too dumb even for the NFL to me, but if they actually go through with it, I'd stop watching.

(it's also just really dumb on a number of levels)

I have no problem with it.
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kevwaffles
05/22/18 8:42:57 PM
#361:


Literally having yardage penalties before kickoff should be a problem regardless of your stance on kneeling.
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xp1337
05/22/18 8:46:34 PM
#362:


kevwaffles posted...
Literally having yardage penalties before kickoff should be a problem regardless of your stance on kneeling.

Yeah, this is the major game-related problem IMO.

(It'd also be easy to subvert if players agreed beforehand on both teams to kneel and just have the penalties offset. Although, I guess you'd be setting up a prisoner's dilemma-like situation there. Although not quite.)
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charmander6000
05/22/18 8:46:36 PM
#363:


What if both teams do it?

Does it stack based on the number of players doing it?

Honestly if they want it to stop suspend the player for one game, it's not that hard.
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Paratroopa1
05/22/18 8:47:37 PM
#364:


I don't think they'll actually pass the rule, because it's too stupid.

If they did though I would cut myself off from the NFL. It's already teetering on the brink for me.
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xp1337
05/22/18 8:53:08 PM
#365:


charmander6000 posted...
Does it stack based on the number of players doing it?

I assume it would offset (nothing would happen) even if the numbers on each team were unbalanced. I also don't think it would stack, but this would depend on how they classified the penalty.
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 8:57:47 PM
#366:


xp1337 posted...
In case you guys want a throwback to the classics, the NFL is apparently considering making kneeling during the anthem a 15 yard penalty.

Honestly, this idea sounds too dumb even for the NFL to me, but if they actually go through with it, I'd stop watching.

(it's also just really dumb on a number of levels)


So if 10 people kneel, is that a 150 yard penalty?
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red sox 777
05/22/18 9:00:00 PM
#367:


Jakyl25 posted...
xp1337 posted...
In case you guys want a throwback to the classics, the NFL is apparently considering making kneeling during the anthem a 15 yard penalty.

Honestly, this idea sounds too dumb even for the NFL to me, but if they actually go through with it, I'd stop watching.

(it's also just really dumb on a number of levels)


So if 10 people kneel, is that a 150 yard penalty?


Automatic touchdown.
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xp1337
05/22/18 9:02:16 PM
#368:


Jakyl25 posted...
So if 10 people kneel, is that a 150 yard penalty?

yes

kickoff is done from the stands

(If you were asking seriously: no. I assume it would only be applied once - and the penalty credited to "the team" or somesuch. Rarely you'll see an official say something like, "False start, everyone but the center" for example.)

Even if it did stack, once it got pushed to inside either 30-yard line all subsequent applications would be half-the-distance-to-the-goal.
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Corrik
05/22/18 9:08:13 PM
#369:


Jakyl25 posted...
xp1337 posted...
In case you guys want a throwback to the classics, the NFL is apparently considering making kneeling during the anthem a 15 yard penalty.

Honestly, this idea sounds too dumb even for the NFL to me, but if they actually go through with it, I'd stop watching.

(it's also just really dumb on a number of levels)


So if 10 people kneel, is that a 150 yard penalty?

It would be no different then when multiple penalties on plays now.
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xp1337
05/22/18 9:12:14 PM
#370:


Also, if they classified it as unsportsmanlike conduct - which is the "closest" to an existing penalty I can think of they could throw this under, it'd count towards ejection. (If any player/coach gets two unsportsmanlike penalties they are automatically ejected.)

That'd be even more nuts though so...
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 9:13:14 PM
#371:


LOL if they call it unsportsmanlike to choose to not stand during a song
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Eddv
05/22/18 9:13:22 PM
#372:


Wow that is stupid.

As for GG, the Zoe Quinn/Nathan Grayson aspect was the focus for like,charitably, a month.

It turned into a roving gang of people who were anti-women in games development and anti-games "having an agenda" which is code for any game that had LGBT characters in major roles.
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 9:15:24 PM
#373:


Imagine if someone is standing for the anthem, then very quickly kneels right after, and they have to go to replay to see if it was during the music or not.
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xp1337
05/22/18 9:16:41 PM
#374:


Jakyl25 posted...
LOL if they call it unsportsmanlike to choose to not stand during a song

I'm just saying, of the existing penalty types, that's the one I think it would get put under since it's kind of a catch-all category.

They could make a new penalty I suppose that doesn't carry that aspect (or just throw an addendum to the current unsportsmanlike rule that this particular one doesn't count to ejection) but part of me feels like if they did go down this road, they'd want to try to hide from the even bigger PR disaster of having an official say "15 yards for kneeling" and try to hide it under "15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct."
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StealThisSheen
05/22/18 9:19:03 PM
#375:


15 yard penalty for any player seen eating anything other than Pizza Hut next
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 9:19:04 PM
#376:


They could just, you know, not play the anthem
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Ashethan
05/22/18 9:20:17 PM
#377:


Penalizing players for kneeling is ridiculous. So of course conservatives will go along with it.
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xp1337
05/22/18 9:20:37 PM
#378:


Jakyl25 posted...
They could just, you know, not play the anthem

They used to play it before the players came out onto the field. Honestly, I think that'd be the path of least resistance if they wanted to avoid further PR nightmares.

It was changed to have it occur after the players came out of the locker rooms fairly recently. Mid-2000s IIRC.
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kevwaffles
05/22/18 9:23:37 PM
#379:


xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
They could just, you know, not play the anthem

They used to play it before the players came out onto the field. Honestly, I think that'd be the path of least resistance if they wanted to avoid further PR nightmares.

It was changed to have it occur after the players came out of the locker rooms fairly recently. Mid-2000s IIRC.

If such a big fucking deal hadn't been made about it, I'm sure they would have just quietly gone back to that.
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Ashethan
05/22/18 9:23:41 PM
#380:


Forcing people to stand for the anthem.

You know what country does this: North Korea.
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StealThisSheen
05/22/18 9:24:00 PM
#381:


xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
They could just, you know, not play the anthem

They used to play it before the players came out onto the field. Honestly, I think that'd be the path of least resistance if they wanted to avoid further PR nightmares.

It was changed to have it occur after the players came out of the locker rooms fairly recently. Mid-2000s IIRC.


Conservatives have had a shit fit almost every time that's been brought up
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Ashethan
05/22/18 9:25:22 PM
#382:


You know, for a party that calls the other side snowflakes... conservatives sure are delicate little snowflakes.

"You didn't say Merry Christmas! HOW DARE YOU!"
"You didn't stand for the anthem! HOW DARE YOU?"
"Gay people holding hands in public? That's icky! I don't want my kids seeing that!"
"Nazi's protesting in Charlottesville? that's their right!"
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Panthera
05/22/18 9:25:47 PM
#383:


Ashethan posted...
Forcing people to stand for the anthem.

You know what country does this: North Korea.


And they're your best buddies now! So it must be a great idea...!
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xp1337
05/22/18 9:27:47 PM
#384:


I know the idea has been met with complaining before, but I think if the NFL made that change they'd just have to weather it for the first few weeks and then it would pass. I think that's a less thorny path than the other options they seem to be considering.
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kevwaffles
05/22/18 9:28:45 PM
#385:


Jakyl25 posted...
Imagine if someone is standing for the anthem, then very quickly kneels right after, and they have to go to replay to see if it was during the music or not.

Imagine if they properly treat it the same as other pre-snap penalties and interrupt the anthem to assess it.
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kevwaffles
05/22/18 9:30:02 PM
#386:


xp1337 posted...
I know the idea has been met with complaining before, but I think if the NFL made that change they'd just have to weather it for the first few weeks and then it would pass. I think that's a less thorny path than the other options they seem to be considering.

That'd be true if we didn't have a POTUS who seems to think he has nothing better to do than hop on Twitter and complain about it every week.
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xp1337
05/22/18 9:32:16 PM
#387:


kevwaffles posted...
xp1337 posted...
I know the idea has been met with complaining before, but I think if the NFL made that change they'd just have to weather it for the first few weeks and then it would pass. I think that's a less thorny path than the other options they seem to be considering.

That'd be true if we didn't have a POTUS who seems to think he has nothing better to do than hop on Twitter and complain about it every week.

I was thinking that right after I posted, but didn't he bring the issue up again within this past week seemingly out of nowhere?

I don't think they'll satisfy him unless they start issuing suspensions at a minimum. I forget if they even could do that. They probably could because the NFL has an absurd amount of authority, but tbqh I think they'd significantly increase the chances of a lockout over the next CBA if they tried to run with that.
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Stripperiffic
05/22/18 9:35:13 PM
#388:


If you want people to stand for the anthem, maybe do something about the issues people are protesting over? Just a thought.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/22/18 9:47:56 PM
#389:


Hardcore_Adult posted...
Eddv posted...
Yeah its all the same people (see Vlado, Extha, Ulti) just moving over and allying with the soulless corporate types like Seph and the True Believers like MWC


Ah yes, MWC.

Jump-up-and-down-while-cursing-Lebron-to-die-in-a-manner-of-gruesome ways MWC....


Have you watched these playoffs....

Way WAY ahead of you.
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Corrik
05/22/18 9:57:08 PM
#390:


Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 10:05:55 PM
#391:


God Im worried that clicking that vid is gonna really crap up my YouTube recommended videos
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xp1337
05/22/18 10:07:20 PM
#392:


Jakyl25 posted...
God Im worried that clicking that vid is gonna really crap up my YouTube recommended videos

lmao

Once I watched an Undertale Boss Fight video and Youtube flooded me with any and all Undertale videos it could find.
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Corrik
05/22/18 10:07:22 PM
#393:


Jakyl25 posted...
God Im worried that clicking that vid is gonna really crap up my YouTube recommended videos

*Rolls eyes*. Go incognito then.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/22/18 10:07:24 PM
#394:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate


Let me summarize it for you as someone's who wasn't on either side.

Both sides were right
Both sides were wrong.
Both sides were FUCKING INSANE!!!!
And that B**** Anna Sarkesian didn't get 1/10th of what she deserved
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Corrik
05/22/18 10:08:45 PM
#395:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate


Let me summarize it for you as someone's who wasn't on either side.

Both sides were right
Both sides were wrong.
Both sides were FUCKING INSANE!!!!
And that B**** Anna Sarkesian didn't get 1/10th of what she deserved

Don't mind me if I choose not to take a summarization from you, bud. Lol
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Inviso
05/22/18 10:08:56 PM
#396:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate


Let me summarize it for you as someone's who wasn't on either side.

Both sides were right
Both sides were wrong.
Both sides were FUCKING INSANE!!!!
And that B**** Anna Sarkesian didn't get 1/10th of what she deserved


No, I think she got her Kickstarter fully funded.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/22/18 10:10:30 PM
#397:


Corrik posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate


Let me summarize it for you as someone's who wasn't on either side.

Both sides were right
Both sides were wrong.
Both sides were FUCKING INSANE!!!!
And that B**** Anna Sarkesian didn't get 1/10th of what she deserved

Don't mind me if I choose not to take a summarization from you, bud. Lol


Just about everyone else on this board picked a side....

I did not.

(I had a secret third side, FUCK YOU ANNA)
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Corrik
05/22/18 10:11:32 PM
#398:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate


Let me summarize it for you as someone's who wasn't on either side.

Both sides were right
Both sides were wrong.
Both sides were FUCKING INSANE!!!!
And that B**** Anna Sarkesian didn't get 1/10th of what she deserved

Don't mind me if I choose not to take a summarization from you, bud. Lol


Just about everyone else on this board picked a side....

I did not.

(I had a secret third side, FUCK YOU ANNA)

I don't remember this ever being talked here. I saw some Gamergate mentions and thought it was some stupid ass watergate knock off bullshit about guns with video games or some stupid shit.
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Jakyl25
05/22/18 10:13:25 PM
#399:


Its Anita, not Anna <_<
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UInstinctGogeta
05/22/18 10:13:37 PM
#400:


Corrik posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl here was the main link Side B showed me for their side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA" data-time="


And here was the main link Side A gave me for their side.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gamergate


Let me summarize it for you as someone's who wasn't on either side.

Both sides were right
Both sides were wrong.
Both sides were FUCKING INSANE!!!!
And that B**** Anna Sarkesian didn't get 1/10th of what she deserved

Don't mind me if I choose not to take a summarization from you, bud. Lol


Just about everyone else on this board picked a side....

I did not.

(I had a secret third side, FUCK YOU ANNA)

I don't remember this ever being talked here. I saw some Gamergate mentions and thought it was some stupid ass watergate knock off bullshit about guns with video games or some stupid shit.


We had literal numbered topics for it. Just like the wrestling contest and politics one.
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