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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 3:17:34 PM
#151:


Dancedreamer posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
You should get to experience it again nationally around 2032 or so. By then you'll probably talk issues and have a platform again.


Keep telling yourself this if it helps. Trump won't win a second term. He barely beat Hillary Clinton. He's not going to beat a candidate with less baggage.


He's the incumbent, and you're about to do something dumb like run a Commie, Hillary again, Booker, or the even more hated Hillary (Pochohantas)....

I feel comfortable in sayijg this will be even more of a blowout than the first.
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red13n
05/21/18 3:18:49 PM
#152:


Trump literally has the best odds to win the presidency right now.
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Dancedreamer
05/21/18 3:19:57 PM
#153:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 3:21:51 PM
#154:


Dancedreamer posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.


Your LITERAL entire party MO is "not Bush/Trump" and you think you'll find a candidate more than that?

I can't remember the last time anyone (besides the dumb commie) has actually spoke on issues.

Mid 2014 maybe?
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Hardcore_Adult
05/21/18 3:23:08 PM
#155:


*would like to see Dwayne Johnson run for the sheer lulz*
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Dancedreamer
05/21/18 3:23:36 PM
#156:


You keep using the word 'commie' but I don't think you know what it means.
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Xeybozn
05/21/18 3:26:01 PM
#157:


Trump isn't too likely to win another term, but that doesn't mean the Republicans are in real trouble anytime soon. They still control the Supreme Court and can lock that up for the next couple of decades if another justice needs replaced. The Senate inherently favors the GOP due to their popularity in rural areas. The gerrymandering in the House is strong enough that the Democrats probably won't be able to elect a strong majority until at least 2022 (and even that'll be tough). So even if the Dems win the presidency in 2020 (and that's not a 100% chance), they won't be able to make many big changes anyway.
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red sox 777
05/21/18 3:30:46 PM
#158:


Dancedreamer posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.


So Trump winning again is basically a certainty then.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/21/18 3:32:18 PM
#159:


Dancedreamer posted...
You keep using the word 'commie' but I don't think you know what it means.


he knows what it means about as well as muffin.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 3:33:48 PM
#160:


red sox 777 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.


So Trump winning again is basically a certainty then.
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Corrik
05/21/18 3:39:20 PM
#161:


red sox 777 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.


So Trump winning again is basically a certainty then.

While I think democrats have a good chance, there is a few people in this topic who cannot look past what they want to see. Hell, you got people in here acting like a pro-corporation ruling is some human travesty. How many were touting generic ballot numbers and a blue wave and when the ballots are shrinking, they just ignore them and find a new way to support the way they think (4% now and shrinking).

The fact is too many in this specific topic are just so extreme in their views that they can't see the other side at all.

I was pretty pessimistic about Trump's odds initially, but I more and more I think his re-election is likelier if the economy keeps moving in the direction it has been and barring an unmitigated disaster.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 3:42:58 PM
#162:


Corrik posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.


So Trump winning again is basically a certainty then.

While I think democrats have a good chance, there is a few people in this topic who cannot look past what they want to see. Hell, you got people in here acting like a pro-corporation ruling is some human travesty. How many were touting generic ballot numbers and a blue wave and when the ballots are shrinking, they just ignore them and find a new way to support the way they think (4% now and shrinking).

The fact is too many in this specific topic are just so extreme in their views that they can't see the other side at all.

I was pretty pessimistic about Trump's odds initially, but I more and more I think his re-election is likelier if the economy keeps moving in the direction it has been and barring an unmitigated disaster.


But Russia.

Russia Damnit!

Russia!
RUSSIA!
RUSSIA!!!!!!!'
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TheRock1525
05/21/18 3:45:37 PM
#163:


https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/998177580141424641?s=20

I hate that people believe there's a "sexual marketplace" and are somehow blaming women for not sleeping with this guy.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/21/18 3:49:32 PM
#164:


isn't jordan peterson that guy wang was super into?
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 3:50:12 PM
#165:


TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/998177580141424641?s=20

I hate that people believe there's a "sexual marketplace" and are somehow blaming women for not sleeping with this guy.


What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?
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Peace___Frog
05/21/18 3:51:09 PM
#166:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Thinking Trump can't win again is dangerous. He very much can.


He can win. But I don't think he will. As long as we put up a candidate who's more than 'not trump'.


Your LITERAL entire party MO is "not Bush/Trump" and you think you'll find a candidate more than that?

I can't remember the last time anyone (besides the dumb commie) has actually spoke on issues.

Mid 2014 maybe?

This is funny because trump's entire platform falls into two camps: does this make me money, or does this undo something that obama did
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TheRock1525
05/21/18 3:51:59 PM
#167:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?


The idea that 80% of women are going for 20% of men. And because of that there's a shortage of women to sleep with the rest of the guys.
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Peace___Frog
05/21/18 3:55:48 PM
#168:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/998177580141424641?s=20

I hate that people believe there's a "sexual marketplace" and are somehow blaming women for not sleeping with this guy.


What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?

They want the government to distribute women to them for them to have sex with, like how the government gives out food stamps for people who can't afford to buy food.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 3:57:26 PM
#169:


Peace___Frog posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/998177580141424641?s=20

I hate that people believe there's a "sexual marketplace" and are somehow blaming women for not sleeping with this guy.


What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?

They want the government to distribute women to them for them to have sex with, like how the government gives out food stamps for people who can't afford to buy food.


Im being serious
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ChaosTonyV4
05/21/18 3:59:24 PM
#170:


TheRock1525 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?


The idea that 80% of women are going for 20% of men. And because of that there's a shortage of women to sleep with the rest of the guys.


It's self-help PUA culture wrapped up in a pseudo-intellectual shell.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/21/18 4:00:43 PM
#171:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/998177580141424641?s=20

I hate that people believe there's a "sexual marketplace" and are somehow blaming women for not sleeping with this guy.


What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?

They want the government to distribute women to them for them to have sex with, like how the government gives out food stamps for people who can't afford to buy food.


Im being serious


Peaf is being 100% serious. Jordan Peterson has literally called for "enforced monogamy".
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 4:03:00 PM
#172:


TheRock1525 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?


The idea that 80% of women are going for 20% of men. And because of that there's a shortage of women to sleep with the rest of the guys.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?


The idea that 80% of women are going for 20% of men. And because of that there's a shortage of women to sleep with the rest of the guys.


It's self-help PUA culture wrapped up in a pseudo-intellectual shell.


Thx to both.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 4:04:07 PM
#173:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/998177580141424641?s=20

I hate that people believe there's a "sexual marketplace" and are somehow blaming women for not sleeping with this guy.


What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?

They want the government to distribute women to them for them to have sex with, like how the government gives out food stamps for people who can't afford to buy food.


Im being serious


Peaf is being 100% serious. Jordan Peterson has literally called for "enforced monogamy".


Holy fucking shit that's vile....
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Eddv
05/21/18 4:32:08 PM
#174:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
isn't jordan peterson that guy wang was super into?


Oh well then he's sure to be quality
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CelesMyUserName
05/21/18 4:43:20 PM
#175:


wang is super into a lot of terrible people
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Mr Lasastryke
05/21/18 4:46:09 PM
#176:


yeah, pretty sure wang brought up him up when the whole james damore/google echo chamber thing was going down. he was like "yeah, damore sucks, but jordan peterson talks about the same stuff and he's way better!"

well, we're seeing how that's turning out >_>
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charmander6000
05/21/18 5:07:26 PM
#177:


TheRock1525 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?


The idea that 80% of women are going for 20% of men. And because of that there's a shortage of women to sleep with the rest of the guys.


That's a bit of an oversimplification and kind of ignores that the opposite is also happening.
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Eddv
05/21/18 5:08:38 PM
#178:


Charmander no
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TheRock1525
05/21/18 5:14:50 PM
#179:


charmander6000 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
UInstinctGogeta posted...
What even is the "sexual marketplace" (hypothetically of course), that they are speaking about?


The idea that 80% of women are going for 20% of men. And because of that there's a shortage of women to sleep with the rest of the guys.


That's a bit of an oversimplification and kind of ignores that the opposite is also happening.


You mean 80% of the men going after 20% of the women?

Considering these are both made-up figures, the larger point is that for some reason people like Jordan Peterson are using it as an excuse to justify male violence while ignoring that if it's true on one side, it's likely true on the other and yet women have somehow managed to keep their killing sprees to a minimum.

Basically, it's really dumb logic no matter how you slice it. Incels are the way they are because they think they deserve attractive, smart women while having literally nothing to offer them.
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LordoftheMorons
05/21/18 5:15:53 PM
#180:


Oh boy, pseudo-intellectualized misogyny!
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charmander6000
05/21/18 5:24:43 PM
#181:


I said it was an oversimplification.

What percentage of the population would you sleep with? I doubt it's anywhere near the majority for most people. Of course the type of women I would sleep with won't completely overlap the type of women someone else would sleep with. Some women are desirable by most men and vice versa, but pretty much everyone has a subset of people that would find them attractive.
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NFUN
05/21/18 5:27:59 PM
#182:


charmander6000 posted...
I said it was an oversimplification.

What percentage of the population would you sleep with? I doubt it's anywhere near the majority for most people. Of course the type of women I would sleep with won't completely overlap the type of women someone else would sleep with. Some women are desirable by most men and vice versa, but pretty much everyone has a subset of people that would find them attractive.

what is your point
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charmander6000
05/21/18 5:34:59 PM
#183:


That their position was an oversimplification of reality.
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kevwaffles
05/21/18 7:34:42 PM
#184:


You're missing the forest for the trees on this one.
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Jakyl25
05/21/18 7:47:18 PM
#185:


charmander6000 posted...
That their position was an oversimplification of reality.


The problem is that he and people like him teach it as literal reality

And their solutions to the problem are not to reach out to frustrated men to help them better themselves, but rather to teach them how to manipulate people into being with you.

Because they see relationships as commodities in a marketplace, they think that PUA tricks exist as something akin to coupons
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Jakyl25
05/21/18 7:51:42 PM
#186:


A lot of these young men pride themselves on their intelligence. Thus, to bolster their self-esteem, they start viewing other traits as inferior to intelligence.

People like Peterson prey on this by feeding that ego, painting women with a broad brush as less clever and more easily conned into submission, if you just take a shower and clean your damn room so that shell let her guard down enough to talk to you.
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Jakyl25
05/21/18 7:56:39 PM
#187:


And the funny thing is that true hardcore incels think even Peterson is too cucked for even suggesting something like hygiene.

That just proves to them that women are only into the physical, not their great personalities!

But incel relationship ideation is another issue. Truly a mbius loop of insanity.
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Eddv
05/21/18 8:07:51 PM
#188:


Jakyl25 posted...
A lot of these young men pride themselves on their intelligence. Thus, to bolster their self-esteem, they start viewing other traits as inferior to intelligence.

People like Peterson prey on this by feeding that ego, painting women with a broad brush as less clever and more easily conned into submission, if you just take a shower and clean your damn room so that shell let her guard down enough to talk to you.


Toss in a healthy does of Dunning Kreuger and youre in business.
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My Immortal
05/21/18 8:35:28 PM
#189:


I just found out that supreme court case was brought about by Epic Systems Corporation.

I worked there for 4 years.

Ick.
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UInstinctGogeta
05/21/18 9:03:48 PM
#190:


Jakyl25 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
That their position was an oversimplification of reality.


The problem is that he and people like him teach it as literal reality

And their solutions to the problem are not to reach out to frustrated men to help them better themselves, but rather to teach them how to manipulate people into being with you.

Because they see relationships as commodities in a marketplace, they think that PUA tricks exist as something akin to coupons


How does that even work...
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Jakyl25
05/21/18 9:26:15 PM
#191:


Petersons methods are a bit different than typical PUA concepts such as negging

Petersons negging is more of a societal negging

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/810162542160920576?s=20
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/18 10:12:33 PM
#192:


Incels is a dumb term. Can't we just call them virgins?

My Immortal posted...
I just found out that supreme court case was brought about by Epic Systems Corporation.

I worked there for 4 years.

Ick.


You worked at Epic? The one in Madison, WI?
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Jakyl25
05/21/18 10:15:51 PM
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Jakyl25
05/21/18 10:16:30 PM
#194:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Incels is a dumb term. Can't we just call them virgins?


Its a specific kind of virgin though
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Dancedreamer
05/21/18 10:17:30 PM
#195:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Incels is a dumb term. Can't we just call them virgins?


If you do, then you lump a lot of people in with them.
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NFUN
05/21/18 10:19:11 PM
#196:


There's a huge attitude difference between them.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/18 10:21:58 PM
#197:


It just feels to me like "incel" is a term created defensively to fight against the stigma attached to the term "virgin".

You know, to say the blame isn't on them.
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JeffreyRaze
05/21/18 10:22:20 PM
#198:


Anyone who defines their entire identity on their virginity and then blaming that on everyone else has some serious issues that the average virgin doesn't.
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LordoftheMorons
05/21/18 10:22:38 PM
#199:


https://apnews.com/a3521859cf8d4c199cb9a8567abd2b71

Days after Broidys meeting with Trump, the UAE awarded Broidy the intelligence contract the partners had been seeking for up to $600 million over 5 years, according to a leaked email.


Broidy was a top fundraiser for Trump and Michal Cohen's second client (the one who supposedly paid $1.6 million to a playboy playmate for an NDA+abortion). There is an extremely convincing circumstantial case that the affair was actually Trump's, and that Broidy was merely financing the payoff: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/theory-playboy-model-had-affair-with-trump-not-broidy.html

What's that phrase that I heard so much during the campaign about the Clinton Foundation? Oh yeah, "pay for play!"
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KamikazePotato
05/21/18 10:22:52 PM
#200:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Incels is a dumb term. Can't we just call them virgins?

This is extremely insulting to virgins who act like normal, functioning people
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