Board 8 > Anime & Manga Discussion Topic 195+1: Rebuild of B8 Anime & Manga

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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 3:48:01 PM
#151:


Honestly Roba, I'm surprised you enjoyed such a dour series, even if it's one of the best. Some of the revelations in that series made me physically ill and upset.
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Robazoid
07/23/18 3:52:48 PM
#152:


LapisLazuli posted...
Honestly Roba, I'm surprised you enjoyed such a dour series, even if it's one of the best. Some of the revelations in that series made me physically ill and upset.

And I'm glad I finally have something I can point to as an argument that I don't automatically hate dour things! What usually bothers me about grim stories is that quite often people are either evil for no actual reason or they're so over-the-top edgy that it just makes me angry. Here, despite how harsh a lot of the revelations were, I could see how they logically came to those conclusions and understand why they were acting that way. Nothing was used solely to create melodrama or bad feelings, both just naturally arose from the characters and their shitty situation.
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BK_Sheikah00
07/23/18 4:34:05 PM
#153:


Hey voltch when did NonNon Biyori make top 3?
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voltch
07/23/18 4:36:57 PM
#154:


Last year
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 4:42:02 PM
#155:


Robazoid posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Honestly Roba, I'm surprised you enjoyed such a dour series, even if it's one of the best. Some of the revelations in that series made me physically ill and upset.

And I'm glad I finally have something I can point to as an argument that I don't automatically hate dour things! What usually bothers me about grim stories is that quite often people are either evil for no actual reason or they're so over-the-top edgy that it just makes me angry. Here, despite how harsh a lot of the revelations were, I could see how they logically came to those conclusions and understand why they were acting that way. Nothing was used solely to create melodrama or bad feelings, both just naturally arose from the characters and their shitty situation.


Hmm, I can see MGRP falling into that category, but I don't think Madoka really did...
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Mobilezoid
07/23/18 5:48:11 PM
#156:


Mac Arrowny posted...
Hmm, I can see MGRP falling into that category, but I don't think Madoka really did...

I do rank them pretty differently. I have Madoka above average at a 6/10, so I definitely enjoyed it! What mostly held it back wasn't so much its tone but rather that it deconstructed a lot of magical girl tropes that I enjoy more when they're played straight (which is why I vastly prefer Yuki Yuna is a Hero). By comparison, being too needlessly grim was what held back MGRP (and Magical Girl Site) and those are both lucky there were enough new 2/10s this season to bump them to 3/10.
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 5:48:27 PM
#157:


I don't personally like it, but sound like Now and Then, Here and There might add another notch on that belt.
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Reg
07/23/18 5:49:08 PM
#158:


retroactively changing rankings based on how you rank other shows LOL
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 5:53:00 PM
#159:


Ehhhhhh he's got a system, it ain't hurting anyone.
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Mobilezoid
07/23/18 5:53:16 PM
#160:


Reg posted...
retroactively changing rankings based on how you rank other shows LOL

I've gone over this before, I compulsively need to keep the tiers even and that means shifting them around as new shows are added! This way the bad stuff slowly falls, the good stuff slowly rises, and eventually everything will be ranked where it's supposed to be.
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 5:57:45 PM
#161:


Now and Then Here and There is fucking awful in every way.I'd file that as more of a depressing series than a dark series.
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 6:03:32 PM
#162:


I mean I also don't like it, but if we're talking "shows where the despair is justified by the setting", it's the first one that comes to mind.
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 6:21:14 PM
#163:


The despair in that series is never justified.
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swordz9
07/23/18 6:31:12 PM
#164:


I usually feel like most despair series try way too hard with the despair or dont even make you feel anything about the characters so its like whatever. Akame ga Kill for example gives almost no reason to care about anybody so if anybody dies its like oh was I supposed to care?
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 6:38:43 PM
#165:


AkG is the worst offender, just a totally nothing show. I don't get why it has fans.

Well, I suppose I GET IT, just wish I didn't.
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swordz9
07/23/18 6:57:47 PM
#166:


For me I also dont really enjoy despair in general. It depends though I guess. Like the emotional despair a character feels after a defeat or something is fine. Stuff like when the losing main team cries in a sports series or one character is suffering because their hard work is no match for natural talent. Im fine with that sort of stuff and even like a lot of those types of scenes. When characters are just dying left and right like flies and it feels like the whole show just exists to make one or more main characters suffer nonstop or the series turns into something so dark you just want it all to end though....man I feel like you gotta be some kinda weird to really enjoy that stuff. I dont really want to watch something where you just feel bad all the time.
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 7:30:12 PM
#167:


I liked lots of the characters in Akame. Esdeath was especially awesome. Maybe they weren't developed as well in the anime.

swordz9 posted...
When characters are just dying left and right like flies and it feels like the whole show just exists to make one or more main characters suffer nonstop or the series turns into something so dark you just want it all to end though....man I feel like you gotta be some kinda weird to really enjoy that stuff. I dont really want to watch something where you just feel bad all the time.


Enter Madoka, the best-selling original anime series of the last 20 years.
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swordz9
07/23/18 7:35:14 PM
#168:


Yeah, Madoka is a good example of a show I didnt like and felt was trying way too hard. Didnt help almost the entire cast was unlikable on top of it. Lots of people ate that shit up though. Pretty sure theyre still finding ways to milk that gravy train too. I wish the actual good Shaft shows were even half as popular :(
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 7:37:49 PM
#169:


Madoka still a mastuhpeece~

Shaft's best series.
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 8:23:14 PM
#170:


swordz9 posted...
Yeah, Madoka is a good example of a show I didnt like and felt was trying way too hard. Didnt help almost the entire cast was unlikable on top of it. Lots of people ate that shit up though. Pretty sure theyre still finding ways to milk that gravy train too. I wish the actual good Shaft shows were even half as popular :(


I was responding to your "you have to be weird to enjoy it" quote.
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ninkendo
07/23/18 8:31:58 PM
#171:


The my hero academia movie is coming to US theaters in late September

Im keeping an eye out for when tickets go on sale
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swordz9
07/23/18 8:38:00 PM
#172:


There are other hugely popular things that you could say people are weird for liking. I mean just look at tentacle hentai. Theres tons and tons of it out there and I feel youd have to be weird to be into it. I guess Im saying Madoka is the tentacle porn equivalent of anime to me.
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WhiteLens
07/23/18 9:28:23 PM
#173:


I think the last thing I would equate edgy grim-darkness to is a porn fetish, but that's just me.
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Reg
07/23/18 9:29:53 PM
#174:


swordz9 posted...
I guess Im saying Madoka is the tentacle porn equivalent of anime to me.

swordz, I've read a lot of really, really stupid things in my time on board 8

I don't think I've ever seen anybody (except maybe Ulti) try to say the stupidest thing I've ever read on this board though. Until today.
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Mobilezoid
07/23/18 9:33:15 PM
#175:


WhiteLens posted...
I think the last thing I would equate edgy grim-darkness to is a porn fetish, but that's just me.

Surely someone in the world has edgy grim-darkness as their fetish, though.
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swordz9
07/23/18 9:36:50 PM
#176:


I mean its less weird to like Madoka, but both are still weird to me and it was an easy comparison example to think of for something that is anime/manga related, mega popular and weird. Besides I didnt mean the general viewers with that comparison. I meant the weirdos who get high on all the despair in it because its weird to enjoy watching the suffering of others even if they arent real
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 9:38:29 PM
#177:


Mobilezoid posted...
WhiteLens posted...
I think the last thing I would equate edgy grim-darkness to is a porn fetish, but that's just me.

Surely someone in the world has edgy grim-darkness as their fetish, though.


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Xeybozn
07/23/18 9:40:29 PM
#178:


I just want to know how something can be the anime equivalent of tentacle porn when tentacle porn anime is already a thing.
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swordz9
07/23/18 9:40:51 PM
#179:


Mobilezoid posted...
WhiteLens posted...
I think the last thing I would equate edgy grim-darkness to is a porn fetish, but that's just me.

Surely someone in the world has edgy grim-darkness as their fetish, though.

Urobuchi and the person behind Devilman immediately come to mind.
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LapisLazuli
07/23/18 9:40:53 PM
#180:


swordz9 posted...
I mean its less weird to like Madoka, but both are still weird to me and it was an easy comparison example to think of for something that is anime/manga related, mega popular and weird. Besides I didnt mean the general viewers with that comparison. I meant the weirdos who get high on all the despair in it because its weird to enjoy watching the suffering of others even if they arent real


I mean I get where you're coming from on the last part there, but it's really not so much "getting high on despair". There's something to be said for a series getting an extremely powerful emotional reaction from you sucking you in, even if it's negative. Bokurano is a great example. It makes you feel awful several times, but it's one of my favorite manga.
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 9:44:19 PM
#181:


swordz9 posted...
I meant the weirdos who get high on all the despair in it because its weird to enjoy watching the suffering of others even if they arent real


ah yes, all those strawmen out there
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TexasZea
07/23/18 9:48:49 PM
#182:


Reg posted...
swordz9 posted...
I guess Im saying Madoka is the tentacle porn equivalent of anime to me.

swordz, I've read a lot of really, really stupid things in my time on board 8

I don't think I've ever seen anybody (except maybe Ulti) try to say the stupidest thing I've ever read on this board though. Until today.

Mac Arrowny posted...
swordz9 posted...
I meant the weirdos who get high on all the despair in it because its weird to enjoy watching the suffering of others even if they arent real


ah yes, all those strawmen out there

lmao

I missed swordz9 watching anime

This topic series needed a top heel again
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swordz9
07/23/18 9:53:46 PM
#183:


See one of the bad things with super grimdark stuff for me is once a character or two dies I know basically everybody else is gonna die too. This usually means the series will be relatively short and thus probably wont develop the characters much either in my experience. Just knowing theyre all gonna die means I dont really have any reason to even try to get invested in them because why bother they will probably be dead after a few episodes anyways. I dont really get to care about what led them to it or what their backstory was or whatever else. Its definitely not the way everybody thinks about it, but thats basically how I view it.
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Mac Arrowny
07/23/18 9:56:45 PM
#184:


If it's a 12 episode series everyone will be gone after a few episodes whether they live or die...
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swordz9
07/23/18 9:58:12 PM
#185:


Thanks, Captain Obvious. Pretty big difference from a show being over and a show being over because everybody was murdered off in the most grimdark way possible.
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Popcorn_Fairy
07/23/18 10:14:32 PM
#186:


Hey, super depressing and dark shit is my favorite man.
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GranzonEx
07/23/18 10:27:32 PM
#187:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
Hey, super depressing and dark shit is my favorite man.

*hates Fate series*


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Popcorn_Fairy
07/23/18 10:32:11 PM
#188:


I don't hate all Fate. I love Fate Strange Fake.
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swordz9
07/23/18 10:33:43 PM
#189:


Music Girls ep1 - lmao what the hell this main girl is a dunce. Came to Japan to see idols, sees an idol group, says they arent idols and shows what she thinks idols are via her handmade monster plush....How does someone even think idols are monster plushes? Literally as weird as comparing grimdark anime to tentacle porn tbh. Main girl can perfectly copy a dance routine shes seen once and notice little details to make the group better, but the twist is she cant sing at all. Oh shes also apparently the daughter of a musical genius according to the producer guy. Anyways this actually wasnt bad. I mean I wouldnt say it was great, but it was sorta cute.
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pjbasis
07/23/18 10:35:37 PM
#190:


Yeah I love all those shows with characters that never die because they're all so fully developed
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Mobilezoid
07/23/18 10:57:31 PM
#191:


swordz9 posted...
Anyways this actually wasnt bad. I mean I wouldnt say it was great, but it was sorta cute.

This is a good way to describe Music Girls. It definitely isn't the highest quality idol series yet I find it oddly endearing. The main character is a fun mixture of savant and dunce.
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BK_Sheikah00
07/23/18 11:02:49 PM
#192:


swordz should be watching 'sic girls instead
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swordz9
07/23/18 11:17:04 PM
#193:


Einherjar ep1 - wait what the MC is already in the other world? They arent gonna show how he got there in the first episode? Well thats pretty different. Oh hey MC called what appears to be his girlfriend maybe? Uh how the fuck did he call her if satellites dont exist yet. I mean I can get his phone being solar powered so theres nothing stopping it from charging, but it totally shouldnt work for internet or phone calls or anything else. Im already putting too much thought into this. Since MC has been here 2 years his harem members are already really familiar with him. Man what a weird first episode. It made no effort to explain much of anything and I dont know if its being faithful to the source or rushing/cutting content.
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pjbasis
07/23/18 11:36:53 PM
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ninkendo
07/23/18 11:45:55 PM
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pjbasis
07/23/18 11:53:19 PM
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ninkendo
07/24/18 12:04:45 AM
#197:


at first they trolled us

then they gave you what you wanted
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ninkendo
07/24/18 12:18:00 AM
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GranzonEx
07/24/18 12:20:25 AM
#199:


more like 10 more years
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KokoroAkechi
07/24/18 8:22:46 AM
#200:


The main girl in music girls is great. I dont think a lot of the shows airing this season seem amazing but a lot of the new characters are.
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