Board 8 > Tiny Toons Mafia Topic 7 - How I spent my Vacation

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Then today PJ, red is pleading with people to not vote people he said were scum to vote Ashe, pleading for people he said are scum to vote Ashe, and refusing to vote for other people he said are scum besides Ashe.

He has his milsynch locked in.
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Ashethan posted...

I mean replace some of these townies here with some of the people I remember playing with? Red gets lynched here. Then again, I remember an era where people didn't just follow the 'good players' around and do whatever they're told and hope it all works out in the end.

This is the second time youve said this.

Who is following the good players around?

There are a couple suspect instances of good players having each others backs, but I dont see any cohesive push to follow anybody.

Every day so far has been a clusterfuck.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Yes ashe, you might be scum from fds perspective because he voted you. If you read my posts just prior to that, i was specifically making sure we know who could not be towncleared by FD just in case the argument came up.

Try again.

Quoting this again because this is my response to corrik literally arguing what ashe argued.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ashethan posted...

I mean replace some of these townies here with some of the people I remember playing with? Red gets lynched here. Then again, I remember an era where people didn't just follow the 'good players' around and do whatever they're told and hope it all works out in the end.

This is the second time youve said this.

Who is following the good players around?

There are a couple suspect instances of good players having each others backs, but I dont see any cohesive push to follow anybody.

Every day so far has been a clusterfuck.

Scare said he was outright going to sheep, red.
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I am the only one thats shown support of red as town

I said I would sheep him

but I am on dowolf and he is on ashe
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Leafeon13N posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Yes ashe, you might be scum from fds perspective because he voted you. If you read my posts just prior to that, i was specifically making sure we know who could not be towncleared by FD just in case the argument came up.

Try again.

Quoting this again because this is my response to corrik literally arguing what ashe argued.

It has no relevancy. FD did not town clear a single person in the entire game. Even if ashe was confirmed town, FD still would have made a self preservation vote as either alignment.

Your post was misleading.
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Btw Corrik going close if not entirely all in with your scumteam, however potentially suicidal, i like the guts.

Yeah, thats one of what I was referencing with good players having each others backs.

But Ashe is implying a herd effect with it, and Im not seeing that.
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I almost thought ColZach cleared me, but then he said that he liked FD for similar reasons. And I think he'd more likely scan Zam too. So he probably had a doc save night 1.
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Corrik posted...

It has no relevancy. FD did not town clear a single person in the entire game. Even if ashe was confirmed town, FD still would have made a self preservation vote as either alignment.

Your post was misleading.

It was not considering it was part of a whole chunk of posts that elaborate on its purpose that you both are ignoring. Two people ars attempting to mislead with them here, neither of those people are me.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Yeah, thats one of what I was referencing with good players having each others backs.

But Ashe is implying a herd effect with it, and Im not seeing that.

Yeah, it depends on what everyone else does. Blade has implied he is going to vote Ashe also.

He is lynch leader and it seems like more people intend to vote him. I get his frustration.
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Ashethan posted...

I almost thought ColZach cleared me, but then he said that he liked FD for similar reasons. And I think he'd more likely scan Zam too. So he probably had a doc save night 1.

Kind of pointless.
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Going to reiterate corrik and ashe grasping at scraws.

I dont think Corrik ties himself to a scummate this hard.
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Minimalizing. The argument against you has been laid out repeatedly and it mostly stems from yesterday.

You tell me what town claims they may have blocked the shot as BP at the beginning of day 2. You tell me what town with barely a vote lead claims BP at the end of day 2.

It doesn't happen.
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Tell me what town says 3 people are scum. Refuses to vote 1 of those 3 ppl when asked. Complains when someone voted 1 of those 3 people. Then asks one of those 3 scum named to please vote with you on another one.

It doesn't happen.
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Bulletproof is a pretty common scum claim. In fact, I think I've seen more scum bulletproof claims than Town Ones. Then again, I think most bulletproof claims wait until much later in the game to claim, so as to eat one of the kills.

And what kind of town bulletproof immediately thinks "Serial Killer" on day 2? It's all fabricated just to justify him hinting it.
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Tell me what town comes in and says the game is basically over.

Repeatedly throughout the game that scum is winning easily gloats how if he is scum or scum with Chris this game would already be over and an easy scum win.

Like, what town member losing handedly thinks to gloat about how they would be winning easily as scum as scum is easily winning then state they are town.

Cuz that is a total town mindset.
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An exercise:

You are Town Bulletproof. There's one kill during the night. One you might not necessarily get, but one that happens.

Do you:
A. Assume there's a Serial Killer, and you blocked Scum's shot so you immediately announce it to the game
Or
B. Assume that you probably weren't shot at, so no use bringing it up. If you were, let scum team think it was a doc save so they shoot you again.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think Corrik ties himself to a scummate this hard.

...

Tony i hope you know i am holding back many, many insulting words towards you.

Also, there's this.

Leafeon13N posted...

When Chris gets here he can put my seething rage into a better perspective.

How does he know this? Unless... you know, he and Chris can communicate outside the game.
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That's silly Ashe. Even if you know for a fact you blocked the shot, you don't mention it or claim it. You do not give scum that into. Scum has to worry about if they were blocked by something, a doctor saved him, or etc. You don't offer up that information.

Basically, if he is town, he basically just told scum to ignore him and not waste a bullet there and let them not worry about being blocked.

Now, if red had claimed Bulletproof then came out today and said he was not BP but was another power, I would have believed him more (because that makes more sense to get an action off).

But it made no point to claim he stopped a shot. Scum either knows he is lying or he is helping them out otherwise.
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I am just going to say it. Corrik is literally attempting to Trump you guys. Saying as much stupid shit as he can and hoping something clicks regardless of whether it is true or not.

I fell asleep working on reports. Oops.
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Ashethan posted...

How does he know this? Unless... you know, he and Chris can communicate outside the game

Chris and i have known each other possibly longer than some players in this game have been alive.

Leafeon13N posted...

I am just going to say it. Corrik is literally attempting to Trump you guys. Saying as much stupid shit as he can and hoping something clicks regardless of whether it is true or not.

Literally have not defended a single thing said. Keep deflecting and minimalizing.

Everyone who isn't me you just say you are "going to scold you after this game" "or be disappointed in you" "or I am holding back so many insults" etc.

And everything I point out you just deflect, marginalize, or respond condescendingly.

You can't even make sense of your own actions or explain them.
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Red: "You're appealing to emotions!"

Also Red: "I would like to insult you so hard right now!"

I mean what'd Tony do that was worthy of being insulted? I feel that's kind of uncalled for. I'd never insult Zam, despite how frustrated I am with him and his play.
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Ashethan posted...

Red: "You're appealing to emotions!"

I said it was a bad emotional appeal. Emotional appeals are perfectly ok.

I emotional appeal all the time. Cant hold everything in so it has to vent somewhere.

Insulting people is a bad emotional appeal. And a bad look altogether. It reminds me a lot of how Ulti used to play.
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Ashethan posted...

Also, there's this.

Leafeon13N posted...

When Chris gets here he can put my seething rage into a better perspective.

How does he know this? Unless... you know, he and Chris can communicate outside the game.

By the way, Ashe this is incredibly basic. That you think a scum red teaming with a scum chris would imply this sort of thing. Now maybe red is scum, you know it is possible not discounting it out of hand right now, but me and red have known each other for 18 years now so he is banking on, or is claiming to bank on, the fact that I know him incredibly well. You do know we've been best friends since 13 years old, right? Maybe you don't.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Tony i hope you know i am holding back many, many insulting words towards you.

idgi
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Ashethan posted...

Also, there's this.

Leafeon13N posted...

When Chris gets here he can put my seething rage into a better perspective.

How does he know this? Unless... you know, he and Chris can communicate outside the game.

By the way, Ashe this is incredibly basic. That you think a scum red teaming with a scum chris would imply this sort of thing. Now maybe red is scum, you know it is possible not discounting it out of hand right now, but me and red have known each other for 18 years now so he is banking on, or is claiming to bank on, the fact that I know him incredibly well. You do know we've been best friends since 13 years old, right? Maybe you don't.

Chris i think dowolf slipped

Do you agree
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Post #?
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scare is refusing to read post 43, where i say i'm operating under the assumption that at most one of him and ashe is scum.

then, after a later post where I say "well if Ashe is town it looks like Scare is town, and if Ashe is scum I'm going to keep on assuming Scare is town" he says "Ha! Dowolf didn't even consider the possibility that I'm scum."

that's literally it.
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Btw scare i am pretty certain dowolf is also scum at this point, but im going to reiterate that i know if we take care of ashe and corrik that it will prevent the rest of town from jumping ship.

ScareChan posted...

dowolf posted...

ScareChan posted...

if ashe is town we had town town town day 1 and town town day 2

Well yes. Ashe being scum is another world that still makes sense. But I'd like to at least entertain this world a little longer, since it allows me to make some conclusions, while Ashe's footprint is so small that... Well, it clears me, it clears Chris, clears Blade, clears Sultan, clears Red, clears Tony... okay that is a lot of stuff we get out of that. Clear might be a bit strong for some of them, but that does help with PoE a lot.

...The intersection of the people implicated in both worlds is PJ and Fake. Interesting.

Dowolf is scum

he just confirmed me town

you're welcome

@DoomTheGyarados
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Leafeon13N posted...

Btw scare i am pretty certain dowolf is also scum at this point, but im going to reiterate that i know if we take care of ashe and corrik that it will prevent the rest of town from jumping ship.

I need to sleep but I cant so I may try and go look at ashe in a bit
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That doesn't have a post number on it.
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ScareChan posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Btw scare i am pretty certain dowolf is also scum at this point, but im going to reiterate that i know if we take care of ashe and corrik that it will prevent the rest of town from jumping ship.

I need to sleep but I cant so I may try and go look at ashe in a bit

Its basically them or me at this point.

I ask for post number so I can see full context.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Btw scare i am pretty certain dowolf is also scum at this point, but im going to reiterate that i know if we take care of ashe and corrik that it will prevent the rest of town from jumping ship.

Ok Im officially in on Red is scum after this post.

The way hes openly treating Chris and Scare as allies with no reservations is just too blatant, and frankly, downright off-putting.

##unvote
##vote: Red
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52 is my original post, 81 is what I quoted
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dowolf posted...

So. I've been thinking.

I was trying to operate under the assumption that one of Nana/Scare and Ashe is scum, since it's a decently likely chance that at least one of the top targets of the past few days is scum, and...

So let's look at the world of what happens when Ashe is town. The three people who voted him day 1, Tony, Sultan, and Red, never voted either of Nana and Star. Tony is additionally listed as casting no votes yesterday, while Sultan's in the interesting spot of voting for Nana/Scare yesterday. If one of the two is scum, that speaks well for Sultan. Red, on the other hand, voted only for the top two lynches of the day yesterday, though one of the major voters for him becomes Scare. That would be odd, all things considered. But we don't have to assume that, not necessarily...

More interestingly, though, if Ashe is town, then we had a town/town lynch yesterday in which five players did not vote: ColZach, who we know is town, plus Tony, PJ, Fake, and Ashe himself. We've assumed that Ashe is town, which suggests that the remaining three demand to be looked into.

Tony both voted for and was voted by one of my predecessors, while his only other vote was on Ashe. Yet he did not see need to vote for Ashe d2. Tony, mind explaining this?

PJ voted a lot d1, including ultimately being the deciding vote for Star. Yet d2, besides a rescinded vote for Chris, there's no activity on the log. PJ, mind explaining this?

Fake voted for Nana/Scare d1 (who also voted for them), which (if I'm right here) is more evidence that they're actually town if Ashe is town, but then never cast a vote yesterday, not even for Nana. Same question to you then, Fake: Explain please.

(tl;dr: ashe town seems to imply the worlds with Scare as town are more likely, with the actions of three non-voters d2 standing out, especially Tony's)

this is the post dowolf keeps saying to look at
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but my post is specifically saying day 1 was v/v/v and day 2 was v/v

he just assumes me town and only talks about Ashe in response to that. He just admitted me town I feel, scum perspective talking to me
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Btw scare i am pretty certain dowolf is also scum at this point, but im going to reiterate that i know if we take care of ashe and corrik that it will prevent the rest of town from jumping ship.

Ok Im officially in on Red is scum after this post.

The way hes openly treating Chris and Scare as allies with no reservations is just too blatant, and frankly, downright off-putting.

##unvote
##vote: Red

Tony, question. If i na random game day 2 red made a comment that he was very sure I was scum, would you vote for me?
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No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Btw scare i am pretty certain dowolf is also scum at this point, but im going to reiterate that i know if we take care of ashe and corrik that it will prevent the rest of town from jumping ship.

Ok Im officially in on Red is scum after this post.

The way hes openly treating Chris and Scare as allies with no reservations is just too blatant, and frankly, downright off-putting.

##unvote
##vote: Red

Chris and Red are really close they read each other very well

Red and I have bonded pretty well last year as far as mafia goes. We were probably longest tenured guys who frequently played on the mafia board.
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Okay reading that post and then the post after I don't see a slip, Scare. Just a very long hypothetical. Doesn't change he hammered FD like an ass mind you.
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