Board 8 > Tiny Toons Mafia Topic 7 - How I spent my Vacation

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also no one has told me why tony is scum

I still feel he is town
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Fake, sometimes members of town will have disagreements. That's a really important thing to remember.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Scum don't always share the same views, if they all played the same it would be pretty easy to catch them. Something to keep in mind since I know you're still learning

Who exactly do you feel are scum right now Fake
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ScareChan posted...

but my post is specifically saying day 1 was v/v/v and day 2 was v/v

he just assumes me town and only talks about Ashe in response to that. He just admitted me town I feel, scum perspective talking to me

...No.

I said "if ashe is town then Scare is probably town."

then you said "Then d1 is town/town/town and d2 is town/town"

then I said "well yes, that would be the implication. Ashe being scum is another option, but [...]"

then you said "HAH GOT YOU"

then i'm like "...wtf is wrong with you"

repeat ad nasueum.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Fake, sometimes members of town will have disagreements. That's a really important thing to remember.

often times you can find out who is town just by the way they are disagreeing even
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dowolf posted...

ScareChan posted...

but my post is specifically saying day 1 was v/v/v and day 2 was v/v

he just assumes me town and only talks about Ashe in response to that. He just admitted me town I feel, scum perspective talking to me

...No.

I said "if ashe is town then Scare is probably town."

then you said "Then d1 is town/town/town and d2 is town/town"

then I said "well yes, that would be the implication. Ashe being scum is another option, but [...]"

then you said "HAH GOT YOU"

then i'm like "...wtf is wrong with you"

repeat ad nasueum.

my original post was not directed at you
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...it wasn't?
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because you don't quote anything in it, and it follows a post where I posit a scenario that demands a town/town/town d1 and town/town d2.

so the natural assumption is that you were talking to me.
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No. There is nothing else there it could be directed towards.

You are straight-up lying to me. Please stop.
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I talked about it yesterday too

my point was that I dont think that we're that bad to have only been trying to lynch town all game
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Anyway if you think I am scum/pretending (I see you Corrik) this won't mean as much, but the thing about red here is that yesterday I was pursuing red super hard because I wanted information. I will say and do whatever it takes to get that information if I think it is vital enough for my read of the game. I twisted red, and eventually broke red, in order for him to stop being vague. This pissed red off for sure, and if he was scum setting up a fake claim this would not have actually pissed him off. That's the thing. People are going to say 'oh he set it up' and yeah, but what they don't factor is I 100% know when red is legitimately pissed. I have sat through league matches, mafia matches, I have seen our guild be blown up on multiple instances and red lose his fucking mind. There is no one living that has seen red lose his shit than me, I am pretty sure. So when I read through red's reactions I go 'oh yeah, red was for sure genuinely mad here."

Scum Red has no reason to be genuinely mad. He is faking that because he has baited me so he can do his fake claim. Red totally wanted to punch me in the face yesterday. Like, seriously. I could feel the punch coming 3000 miles away.

So Tony you say you think I am town, even if I am being outplayed I know red. I have known him since he was a boy. He was pissed. He isn't faking. We have to solve the game through that lens.
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and honestly I didnt even read your post now until I had to quote it for chris
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ScareChan posted...

I talked about it yesterday too

my point was that I dont think that we're that bad to have only been trying to lynch town all game

So you randomly bring up a point.

That happens to dovetail with what I'm talking about.

Completely by accident.

For no apparent reason.

No. You are gaslighting me. Why?
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chris why did you think red was going to claim doctor by the way
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He kept mentioning stopping a kill and fuck me if bulletproof never even crossed my mind.

...Probably because you aren't ever supposed to claim BP or hint at BP if you are in fact BP.

Red totally failed.
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ScareChan posted...

FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Scum don't always share the same views, if they all played the same it would be pretty easy to catch them. Something to keep in mind since I know you're still learning

Who exactly do you feel are scum right now Fake

Unfortunately, Im not as good as keeping track of all my thoughts on the matter, organization isnt my strong suit, but I think Corrik, and possibly zam and Ashe are mafia. Incidentally, Im not as confident snit the others, although I think people Corrik most puts forth as trusted are ones Id be concerned about. That being said, I dont personally feel confident enough to vote for anyone other than Corrik unless someone could convince me.
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You aren't ever supposed to hint at or claim doctor either.

Surprise surprise Chris came in here to defend red though.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

ScareChan posted...

FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Scum don't always share the same views, if they all played the same it would be pretty easy to catch them. Something to keep in mind since I know you're still learning

Who exactly do you feel are scum right now Fake

Unfortunately, Im not as good as keeping track of all my thoughts on the matter, organization isnt my strong suit, but I think Corrik, and possibly zam and Ashe are mafia. Incidentally, Im not as confident snit the others, although I think people Corrik most puts forth as trusted are ones Id be concerned about. That being said, I dont personally feel confident enough to vote for anyone other than Corrik unless someone could convince me.

Why am I scum again?
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

ScareChan posted...

FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Scum don't always share the same views, if they all played the same it would be pretty easy to catch them. Something to keep in mind since I know you're still learning

Who exactly do you feel are scum right now Fake

Unfortunately, Im not as good as keeping track of all my thoughts on the matter, organization isnt my strong suit, but I think Corrik, and possibly zam and Ashe are mafia. Incidentally, Im not as confident snit the others, although I think people Corrik most puts forth as trusted are ones Id be concerned about. That being said, I dont personally feel confident enough to vote for anyone other than Corrik unless someone could convince me.

How you feel that both Zam and Corrik have different views on Ashe being mafia then?
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Man alakazam set the standard for doctor claims.
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if you and red are town is blade scum
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and if we think this could be mylo why arent we massing
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Corrik posted...

pjbasis posted...

Why are you even so sure it's endgame yet

Hint: Red is scum and basically let it slip there is 5 scum. We are at Mylo.

Lynching Ashe is a bad idea. That's why everyone who is against it is scum or he is telling them they are bad and need lectured endgame if not on board.

He is super transparent. He considers this game a win alrdy.

Its s lot of little things that all rub me the wrong way. This is one of them. I dont know what youre saying in this post.
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I dont remember what Zam last said about Red. Is that sloppy? Sure Ill grant you it is. Thats why I said Im leaning but could be convinced otherwise. A lot of people keep giving him this pass for acting weird though.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

Corrik posted...

pjbasis posted...

Why are you even so sure it's endgame yet

Hint: Red is scum and basically let it slip there is 5 scum. We are at Mylo.

Lynching Ashe is a bad idea. That's why everyone who is against it is scum or he is telling them they are bad and need lectured endgame if not on board.

He is super transparent. He considers this game a win alrdy.

Its s lot of little things that all rub me the wrong way. This is one of them. I dont know what youre saying in this post.

So I am scum because you are unable to read a post?

I said that red's demeanor shows that it is Mylo. He keeps saying how the game is over and how he is gonna scold people when the game is over and such. Hence, the end is imminent. Which means 5 scum members to be at that point.

Lynching Ashe is a bad idea because he is town and we lose. Everyone who is not for lynching Ashe to red is scum or is someone he has to lecture or holding back insults for or etc.

He is super transparent. He considers this game a win. He has openly gloated about it in game. It is basically a matter of people laying down votes as far as he is concerned.
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Okay, first off what the heck is a mylo?
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mylo stands for Mislynch and Lose

it means if we do not kill scum game could be over
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I actually forgot what lylo stands for and if its the same or not
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Lynch or lose.

Difference of 4 vs 2 vs 4 vs 3
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Blade seems towny to me.
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ScareChan posted...

I actually forgot what lylo stands for and if its the same or not

Lylo means you cannot no lynch or you lose also. Mylo would be 7-5. Lylo would be 6-5.
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I keep getting confused by the sentence everyone who is not for lunching ash to red is scum

Do you mean everyone who wants to lynch ash instead of red is scum?

Work with me here. I want to lynch scum, so help me understand why you think Chris and Red are scum. When I was starting out they were the ones who took my side. I realize now they could have been keeping a clueless newb alive. Fine. But if you ignore me or lynch me and we are one away from losing as you suggest, we lose. Make me your ally here.
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ScareChan posted...

FakeAccount3000 posted...

ScareChan posted...

FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Scum don't always share the same views, if they all played the same it would be pretty easy to catch them. Something to keep in mind since I know you're still learning

Who exactly do you feel are scum right now Fake

Unfortunately, Im not as good as keeping track of all my thoughts on the matter, organization isnt my strong suit, but I think Corrik, and possibly zam and Ashe are mafia. Incidentally, Im not as confident snit the others, although I think people Corrik most puts forth as trusted are ones Id be concerned about. That being said, I dont personally feel confident enough to vote for anyone other than Corrik unless someone could convince me.

How you feel that both Zam and Corrik have different views on Ashe being mafia then?

Fake?
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

I keep getting confused by the sentence everyone who is not for lunching ash to red is scum

Do you mean everyone who wants to lynch ash instead of red is scum?

Work with me here. I want to lynch scum, so help me understand why you think Chris and Red are scum. When I was starting out they were the ones who took my side. I realize now they could have been keeping a clueless newb alive. Fine. But if you ignore me or lynch me and we are one away from losing as you suggest, we lose. Make me your ally here.

You just said Corrik is scum, but you're appealing to him when I am asking you questions because..?
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

No matter what read you have on Scare and Chris I cant believe they are on the same side because Scares slot literally spent most of day one trying to get me lynched and Chris spent a lot of it defending me.

Mafia members will often put themselves on opposite sides of the bracket.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

I keep getting confused by the sentence everyone who is not for lunching ash to red is scum

Do you mean everyone who wants to lynch ash instead of red is scum?

Work with me here. I want to lynch scum, so help me understand why you think Chris and Red are scum. When I was starting out they were the ones who took my side. I realize now they could have been keeping a clueless newb alive. Fine. But if you ignore me or lynch me and we are one away from losing as you suggest, we lose. Make me your ally here.

One of the most BASIC ways as scum to get people to think you are town is to make buddies with the town member. If you are town, this would mean you.

For example, you are new.

If you are town and they are scum, they buddy up to you and be nice to you. Even defend you. (Town is going to attack or defend town no matter what. It is part of the game. You do not know alignments).

Then you think, well they know I am town! They are really smart, and I should follow what they say! Or you think, why would I go against the person who is defending and being nice to me! So you follow them.

This is a very basic strategy of scum. Buddying up to town on purpose.

Sometimes because they think the player is good and want to not have the heat on them from that town player. Other times because the town player if buddied up to will listen to them and thus you have a town listening to scum which is a big deal.

Just because someone attacks you does not make them scum. Town doesn't know alignments. They should be attacking in a ton of different directions trying to prod and poke scum to find them.
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I responded, I mean it was a weak response since it just shows how poorly Im following along. I mean, this has been topics full of walls of text that are person A said this so B meant that but then the last time the said this so now they mean that but did you consider when so and so claimed this and it just keeps going on and on and much of it is speculation. I consider myself an astute reader but ive discovered a huge flaw here in my reading.

tl; dr I said I didnt even remember but that if you had a revealing passage Id be open to reinterpretation

At this point I just want to help town win and Im not gong to be leading a charge; id probably take us off a cliff
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you guys see fake like directly avoiding me yes
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I mean, youre not wrong. Neither of them have really attacked me that I am recall behind saying fake is losing a lot of town cred from time to time. If that were the case, Chris and Meow would be scum who was riding me the whole game. Although I kept getting MZero mixed up with Meow which is sad. Meow being blade.
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Everyone who is not lynching Ashe today is being attacked by red as either scum or as someone who has to be insulted, talked to after the game is over, or so on.

He is insulting the play or calling scum everyone who will not do as he asks.

That is what that line means.

Since we know if we mislynch, we lose here. Thanks to red's gloating. Then red as scum has a motivation to stick his neck out to try and get this mislynch on Ashe. Which normally scum wouldn't do.

The numbers left are 12 players.

5 are scum. 7 are town.

Thus, scum only needs to convince 1 or 2 town members to do the wrong thing here and scum wins.
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ScareChan posted...

you guys see fake like directly avoiding me yes

I am not avoiding you. Im saying I dont have good reads on anyone because I suck at this.
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my point is you said Chris and I are opposite because one of us attacked you and one defended you

You said Corrik is scum with Ashe and Zam

Corrik thinks Ashe is town, Zam thinks he is scum

I am asking you your train of thought because you listed two scum players who you think are scum with different opinions,

You also did no include one of me or Chris in your scum when you said one of us should be scum

And then you are asking Corrik to guide you when you said he is scum

these are a lot of conflicting things just here on this page alone from you Fake
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Would it be all right if after the game you guys gave me some more tips? I think a good session of this is what everything meant might really help me out.
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ScareChan posted...

my point is you said Chris and I are opposite because one of us attacked you and one defended you

You said Corrik is scum with Ashe and Zam

Corrik thinks Ashe is town, Zam thinks he is scum

I am asking you your train of thought because you listed two scum players who you think are scum with different opinions,

You also did no include one of me or Chris in your scum when you said one of us should be scum

And then you are asking Corrik to guide you when you said he is scum

these are a lot of conflicting things just here on this page alone from you Fake

So either Im a super genius who is making myself look super guilty on purpose as some sort of double blind scheme or I literally have no idea what the hell im doing.
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Moreso in your post you said you only feel confident in voting corrik unless you see a better case

he is the only one you want to lynch but then asked him what to do
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its okay to say you don't know what you are doing, but you are more doing that only after I am questioning you

Its okay to give thoughts even if they are wrong it happens all the time

Hell I spent all day attacking Zach and he ended up being one of town's strongest roles

I was wrong, it happens. Don't be afraid to give your thoughts

Hiding your thoughts makes it seem like you have something to hide. Did you see what everyone did when they though Red was hiding something?
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I understand there is a whole lot of reasons you will not understand why red is scum, but red is scum.

If you are town, and to be frank, I think you are scum right now.

I have dowolf and red basically locked and certain scum.

Chris a little below them.

Then you and Tony.

For my 5.

There is a little leeway in that scare or PJ could have fooled me.

(Blade is making me nervous some also that he is not here today on an important day minus like 8 posts).

I have scare and PJ as my iffiest town.

Blade slightly better than them.

I have sultan, Ashe, and Alakazam locked in as town.
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Also I feel you are misrepresenting me somewhat. I want Corrik to explain to me why he thinks things so I can try to compare it to other things. Thats the same thing everyone is doing. How is that anything other than a null read?
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It would also be a good idea for you to keep Notepad open while you play the game since you are still learning things and even just who the players are regardless of what there roles are

you can keep track of who claimed what, thoughts you have, and you can review it later on. Its good practice to do until you become more adjusted
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ScareChan posted...

its okay to say you don't know what you are doing, but you are more doing that only after I am questioning you

Its okay to give thoughts even if they are wrong it happens all the time

Hell I spent all day attacking Zach and he ended up being one of town's strongest roles

I was wrong, it happens. Don't be afraid to give your thoughts

Hiding your thoughts makes it seem like you have something to hide. Did you see what everyone did when they though Red was hiding something?

My number one truest thought playing this is holy shit this is a million posts of people I barely recognize contradicting one another based on years of previous games, using terms I dont recognize and super fast. I dont have the slightest chance of making heads or tails of this.
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