Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia 4: Rest

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ScareChan posted...

I asked for thoughts
Then i talked about twilight
Then someone else talked about twilight
Then you talked about twilight
Then I said you were ignoring me
Then you said lunch

i was literally posting in front of my microwave, scare.
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ScareChan posted...

Leo coming back to vote and peace without his claim seals him too

I said I wouldn't claim until Puns comes back and either admits he's full of bullshit or forces my hand.

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

ScareChan posted...

Leo coming back to vote and peace without his claim seals him too

I said I wouldn't claim until Puns comes back and either admits he's full of bullshit or forces my hand.

Sca

Sca

SCA

SCUMMON
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

ScareChan posted...

Leo coming back to vote and peace without his claim seals him too

I said I wouldn't claim until Puns comes back and either admits he's full of bullshit or forces my hand.

You are literally dead at this point, I'm not sure what exactly you think you have to gain here.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

-1, someone get off already

He shouldn't be any higher than -3 right now.

I mean, they aren't going to hammer on Day 2.

Leo tried.

And also, all it would've taken was one more rash vote after any scum could've done and said "oops" about after.

Because town can do that too.

eaedwards6400 posted...

I'm going to unvote Corrik. There is just no point in going down that direction right now.

##Unvote

I would like to vote for Panth but I don't want to be the 10th vote when majority is 11, we learned the hard way in PW not to end day early. Would Chris leave us in Twilight until the deadline or is it only because Zam was a modkill?

Current Votals
[9] - Panth - Scare, Ben, Tange, Mzero, Zach, IGCD, Corrik, PJ, EDumey
[5] - Leo - Puns, (Crescent), (IGCD), (Sultan), Death, Panth
[0] - Corrik - (eaed), Sultan
[0] - Puns - (Corrk)
[0] - Eaed - (Crescent)

That was because of a modkill.
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ScareChan posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

ScareChan posted...

Leo coming back to vote and peace without his claim seals him too

I said I wouldn't claim until Puns comes back and either admits he's full of bullshit or forces my hand.

Sca

Sca

SCA

SCUMMON

I posted like 5 minutes before that? When I voted?

This might be the least fun game of mafia I've ever played. You're all so convinced I'm scum because of a non-existent bluff scan that people would rather be so obnoxious I stop playing rather than actually saying "hey maybe there's a chance he's telling the truth" so I actually do digging and analyizing at what not. But I learned that won't work last game. People say "oh he's not trying" but if I do try they'll just say "LOL SCUM". So again, fuck you Puns.
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And if you want full thoughts right now, there isnt that much.

I have a general idea of where I trust for certain(Tony, Scare, ColZach, eaed, puns), but honestly not a great clue for direction on the scum side beyond the two. If panth flips roleblocker you start looking for who really tried to derail that lynch, but thats a 25% chance right now.
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red13n posted...

Tony, Scare, ColZach, eaed, puns

Also to elaborate, this is absolutely the order in which I trust these people to be town right now. puns could be a really dumb gambit but its one of those things you don't facecheck into until the game is super late and a scumgambit makes sense.
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you say digging and analyzing doesn't work, but being emotional and non-helpful does absolutely nothing to make your case. even if you're demoralized, one approach is clearly the better option.
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red13n posted...

And if you want full thoughts right now, there isnt that much.

I have a general idea of where I trust for certain(Tony, Scare, ColZach, eaed, puns), but honestly not a great clue for direction on the scum side beyond the two. If panth flips roleblocker you start looking for who really tried to derail that lynch, but thats a 25% chance right now.

I would like some elaboration on Zach. He seems to be divisive as far as opinions go. Han and I in particular have butted heads about him multiple times.

Though I'm trying to remember if he ever answered my question of why Plum's death made him feel worse about Leo.

For the next 20 minutes or so I'll have more freedom to post.

red13n posted...

red13n posted...

Tony, Scare, ColZach, eaed, puns

Also to elaborate, this is absolutely the order in which I trust these people to be town right now. puns could be a really dumb gambit but its one of those things you don't facecheck into until the game is super late and a scumgambit makes sense.

It would have required Puns to bus Leo at the very start of the day and put a target on his back in doing so.

That.. Doesn't seem like a wise gambit for day 2 of a 22 player game.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I would like some elaboration on Zach. He seems to be divisive as far as opinions go. Han and I in particular have butted heads about him multiple times.

He put a lot of the nails in zam's coffin.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

t would have required Puns to bus Leo at the very start of the day and put a target on his back in doing so.

That.. Doesn't seem like a wise gambit for day 2 of a 22 player game

yeah, its a horrible gambit. Thats why hes on the trust list.
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Red what do you think about the potential of both a Jailkeeper and a bodyguard being on town power
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red13n posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

I would like some elaboration on Zach. He seems to be divisive as far as opinions go. Han and I in particular have butted heads about him multiple times.

He put a lot of the nails in zam's coffin.

Zach hasn't really done himself favors today with the way he has been acting, but when he said he was confirmed town I got the impression he actually believed it.

Not giving him a total town clear but it felt like genuine naivety.

red13n posted...

If panth flips roleblocker you start looking for who really tried to derail that lynch, but thats a 25% chance right now.

Am I missing the context of this post?

I fucked my back up about an hour ago and am on some hard drugs, so its possible, but I dont quite understand what this is in response to.
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RogueNoble posted...

ScareChan posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

ScareChan posted...

Leo coming back to vote and peace without his claim seals him too

I said I wouldn't claim until Puns comes back and either admits he's full of bullshit or forces my hand.

Sca

Sca

SCA

SCUMMON

I posted like 5 minutes before that? When I voted?

This might be the least fun game of mafia I've ever played. You're all so convinced I'm scum because of a non-existent bluff scan that people would rather be so obnoxious I stop playing rather than actually saying "hey maybe there's a chance he's telling the truth" so I actually do digging and analyizing at what not. But I learned that won't work last game. People say "oh he's not trying" but if I do try they'll just say "LOL SCUM". So again, fuck you Puns.

the scummoned thing is a joke that I already did in this game because people made an issue of me saying scummon last game
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Red what do you think about the potential of both a Jailkeeper and a bodyguard being on town power

It certainly doesn't sound like too much in a game of this size to me... I don't think we have enough information for this kind of discussion.

eaedwards6400 posted...

Red what do you think about the potential of both a Jailkeeper and a bodyguard being on town power

jailkeeper with watcher is like old bog standard.

bodyguard is significantly less likely but right now we don't have enough roles out that I'd say for certain its impossible based on roles alone. Panth's flip will help the meta here a lot.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

red13n posted...

If panth flips roleblocker you start looking for who really tried to derail that lynch, but thats a 25% chance right now.

Am I missing the context of this post?

I fucked my back up about an hour ago and am on some hard drugs, so its possible, but I dont quite understand what this is in response to.

It sounds like he's saying "If he is roleblocker, murder people who protected him today."

Which is a bit odd since he's almost certainly roleblocker.

ScareChan posted...

the scummoned thing is a joke that I already did in this game because people made an issue of me saying scummon last game

I don't want to go back and check because the game was painful enough, but I think people actually did get "scummoned" a few times. Or at the very least, a couple scum did respond to being called out in topic.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Which is a bit odd since he's almost certainly roleblocker.

Ehh? I think its likely but the actual odds are 1/4. We know leo isnt roleblocker and that leaves 4 scum remaining.

The way it played out makes it seem far more certain than that, but it still has a layer of speculation to it.
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Corrik posted...

I think we should let FD do another annoying wall and then end this day. It is pointless to keep ongoing.

I would love to!

Unfortunately ive only been able to read along via mobile. I do my wall constructing on PC so i won't be able to participate in the way that I would prefer to.

So ill just have to type up my thoughts on mobile in brief concise sentences and paragraphs like some kind of peasant.

Regarding the happenings of today i have to more or less agree with Corrik, loathe though i am to give him any credit whatsoever.

Panth really seems to have tipped his hand. Major credit for that goes to the scare gambit.

Still waiting to hear from puns but the leo track seems undeniable. With our tracker and watcher in the open we stand a great chance of getting some more relevant data moving forward.

We can't relax though. We have a great advantage but we had that in PW too.

I still want to dig deep into day 1 to read all of the zam interactions and plum interactions, but i really need to set aside some time for that.

I wish i had more but ive still essentially only been through a single brief pass through of most everything so far, but i should have more time after work tonight.
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red13n posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Which is a bit odd since he's almost certainly roleblocker.

Ehh? I think its likely but the actual odds are 1/4. We know leo isnt roleblocker and that leaves 4 scum remaining.

The way it played out makes it seem far more certain than that, but it still has a layer of speculation to it.

Why would Panthera immediately make that claim if he's not the one who roleblocked him? It doesn't make any sense otherwise.

It's not set in stone but it's highly likely.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why would Panthera immediately make that claim if he's not the one who roleblocked him? It doesn't make any sense otherwise.

It's not set in stone but it's highly likely.

i'm not disagreeing.
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And no, we don't end the day yet. We still have players like MZero who have yet to even show up. We're not ending day this early and giving out free passes.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And no, we don't end the day yet. We still have players like MZero who have yet to even show up. We're not ending day this early and giving out free passes.

If mzero is actually scum again he really should just be instalynched every game.

Zero posted and joked around iirc
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He posted at like 4 am and I can not even recall what he said
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Why would Panthera immediately make that claim if he's not the one who roleblocked him?

Why would I make that claim if I did roleblock him

Makes a hell of a lot more sense when you assume I knew as soon as Scare said what he did to start the day that I would have to claim because no one would believe Scare would do it if he wasn't going to insist I was scum regardless of how I responded (this is also why I believe Scare is town, faking thinking he has something on me would require him to be almost as stupid as everyone is saying I am when they act like I should genuinely be thinking he's scum when that would require him to idiotically be suiciding into me), and obviously people would follow Scare's lead.

To answer your earlier question, Death kind of suggested to an extent that he didn't want me lynched earlier, so there's your person trying to derail the mislynch fyi. Sultan as well I guess. Decide after I flip if one of them was trying to look good for being right.
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ScareChan posted...

Zero posted and joked around iirc

eaedwards6400 posted...

He posted at like 4 am and I can not even recall what he said

That's the point.. Does it even count? I can't remember anything either.

Based on my notes, outside his huge catch up post series Zam didn't have a lot to say besides asking if Ben was actually doctor when Ben joked about it. So that could maybe be a point in Ben's favour if you think Zam was power fishing, I guess. I don't think I took much note of Zam's big catch up posts, nothing stuck out enough for me to write it down.

Plum didn't like Death much but did make a show of defending Leo for rather tenuous reasons. He also was more interested in the Puns/PJ miller thing than most people and seemed to think one of them might get cop scanned at some point...hard to say exactly what he meant there.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

And no, we don't end the day yet. We still have players like MZero who have yet to even show up. We're not ending day this early and giving out free passes.

If mzero is actually scum again he really should just be instalynched every game.

The odds on this...
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We know Corrik, mildly unlikely events are millions to one in your mind
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Panthera posted...

We know Corrik, mildly unlikely events are millions to one in your mind

Wanna know what the odds you are scum are?
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Oh right I forgot to address what Scare said about not using mason recruit first. I probably would have had Tony not ended up claiming, but with that done it was better to try to save him. If I mason'd someone it would have been him, and I could always just mason him night 2 if nothing better came up, so trying to keep him alive longer was a better idea.

Corrik posted...

Wanna know what the odds you are scum are?

0%
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Panthera posted...

Oh right I forgot to address what Scare said about not using mason recruit first. I probably would have had Tony not ended up claiming, but with that done it was better to try to save him. If I mason'd someone it would have been him, and I could always just mason him night 2 if nothing better came up, so trying to keep him alive longer was a better idea.

Corrik posted...

Wanna know what the odds you are scum are?

100%

Glad you agree with us
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I eagerly await seeing how many people actually think I said that
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Wait did Panthera just scum slip?
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Hello Benjamin, how are you feeling about this mafia game?
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Catching up.

Corrik posted...

Just so you know, after Panthera flips roleblocker. You need to jailkeep into the scumboard and I protect you. And the scanners can do their own thing.

If Eaed were a doc, Id spit at this advise. Good thing he aint.
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Panthera claimed to have a Mason Recruit, which to me seems really odd to include in a list of Jack powers. It's interesting to me that not one single person has discussed trying to let him prove that. With the amount of protection we've had claimed (despite Corrik not getting his off) I'm not sure why people are assuming Leo is a useless spent kill. If he's Janitor, it may still be worth killing him and semi-confirming Puns.

I was wondering when someone would feel like saying 'lets test the mason recruit' first.
Keeping an eye on you, EDumey
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htaeD posted...

I was wondering when someone would feel like saying 'lets test the mason recruit' first.
Keeping an eye on you, EDumey

setting up a future mislynch?
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Panthera posted...

Hello Benjamin, how are you feeling about this mafia game?

Pretty good. I feel pretty strongly that Jack of all trades is a lie. It's the easiest role to fake claim. Your whole situation is too coincidental for me to believe you.

Right now I'm living in the ideal scenario of you AND Leo being scum, which means there's plenty of time to pinpoint the other 3 in the list of 7 I am looking at. And you said it yourself, even if you are town, I don't think it means Scare isnt town or anyone else I am looking at as town right now.
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Panthera posted...

Oh right I forgot to address what Scare said about not using mason recruit first. I probably would have had Tony not ended up claiming, but with that done it was better to try to save him. If I mason'd someone it would have been him, and I could always just mason him night 2 if nothing better came up, so trying to keep him alive longer was a better idea.

Corrik posted...

Wanna know what the odds you are scum are?

0%

Oooh wrong answer again

IF mason recruiting you always recruit tony

EITHER He is blocked and lives and you now are with confirmed town, no risk of dieing, and you dont reveal it and eventually when he dies you get his actual watch result

OR he is killed and is not blocked and you are STILL mason so you would get his watch result

BZZZT If this is your real role you ALWAYS Mason first in this scenario

KISS MY SON ON THE FOREHEAD KISS YO ASS GOODBYE

#VOTEPANTHAGAIN
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Panthera posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why would Panthera immediately make that claim if he's not the one who roleblocked him?

Why would I make that claim if I did roleblock him

Makes a hell of a lot more sense when you assume I knew as soon as Scare said what he did to start the day that I would have to claim because no one would believe Scare would do it if he wasn't going to insist I was scum regardless of how I responded (this is also why I believe Scare is town, faking thinking he has something on me would require him to be almost as stupid as everyone is saying I am when they act like I should genuinely be thinking he's scum when that would require him to idiotically be suiciding into me), and obviously people would follow Scare's lead.

To answer your earlier question, Death kind of suggested to an extent that he didn't want me lynched earlier, so there's your person trying to derail the mislynch fyi. Sultan as well I guess. Decide after I flip if one of them was trying to look good for being right.

I pondered the uses of lynching Leo first, ever so briefly.
I never said I thought you were town though, so nice try.

Now I just want Leo to vote more than anything.
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*Leo to claim
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pjbasis posted...

htaeD posted...

I was wondering when someone would feel like saying 'lets test the mason recruit' first.
Keeping an eye on you, EDumey

setting up a future mislynch?

Jeezy Creezy, where did you come from?
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If Puns had info, he would have made me claim first. If you read last night he's just being glib when talking to Ben, then when everyone took him at face value decided to roll with it and double down. He's so obviously lying that I get mad every time I click on this topic. It sickens me.