Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia 4: Rest

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ScareChan posted...

Panthera posted...

Oh right I forgot to address what Scare said about not using mason recruit first. I probably would have had Tony not ended up claiming, but with that done it was better to try to save him. If I mason'd someone it would have been him, and I could always just mason him night 2 if nothing better came up, so trying to keep him alive longer was a better idea.

Corrik posted...

Wanna know what the odds you are scum are?

0%

Oooh wrong answer again

IF mason recruiting you always recruit tony

EITHER He is blocked and lives and you now are with confirmed town, no risk of dieing, and you dont reveal it and eventually when he dies you get his actual watch result

OR he is killed and is not blocked and you are STILL mason so you would get his watch result

BZZZT If this is your real role you ALWAYS Mason first in this scenario

KISS MY SON ON THE FOREHEAD KISS YO ASS GOODBYE

#VOTEPANTHAGAIN

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ScareChan posted...

Oooh wrong answer again

IF mason recruiting you always recruit tony

EITHER He is blocked and lives and you now are with confirmed town, no risk of dieing, and you dont reveal it and eventually when he dies you get his actual watch result

OR he is killed and is not blocked and you are STILL mason so you would get his watch result

BZZZT If this is your real role you ALWAYS Mason first in this scenario

KISS MY SON ON THE FOREHEAD KISS YO ASS GOODBYE

#VOTEPANTHAGAIN

Or he dies because I didn't save him, you still get me to claim I targeted him and we're in the exact same spot we are now except with a dead Watcher instead of a living one. Because if scum had tried to shoot him, not exactly an implausible situation, that's exactly how it would play out. No one would believe "oh I conveniently targeted the dead town power but he's totally my bro now I swear", that's dumb. I'd be an idiot to not try to actually keep him alive.
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Like seriously how much of a fucking moron are you calling me Scare that you think on a day where you came into the game having decided you were going to try to lynch me no matter what, you can honestly tell me that having everything be exactly the same except the guy I targeted was dead and I was claiming to have a result from him would change things. I made sure a confirmed town dude would live instead of taking the risk that I would have let him die and killed myself for shits and giggles. This day proves how good a call it was, because if I had done what the oh so amazing genius Scare suggests the only thing that would change is there's a chance Tony would be dead now too.
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If scum has an unblockable shot, which they usually do, mason recruiting Tony is more useful than a futile doc save. Then Tony dies and you still get a N1 result perhaps and Tony's voice/confirmation.

If they don't have an unblockable kill, they probably wouldn't shoot the watcher blindly N1.

So I don't see which scenario a one use doc save is more useful than a mason recruit.

tony would literally flip mason and you would claim other mason

so much salt
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Your thought process just doesnt seem real and its something you should have mentioned before being pressed
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Sorry for lack of posts past this morning. I went to the DMV and then slept all day (also some hearthstone, tbh). I have my dnd game tonight so Im gonna be absent and Im planning on catching up this evening (about 6-8 hours)

Only benefit would be you maybe get to believe whatever result I told you Tony got on day 3 after I flip town. If Corrik were town, scum maybe believes his claim and blocks him while shooting Tony, meaning I let him live unblocked. If we lynch scum today and roleblocker flips, then if I didn't claim I could recruit him that night to guarantee a result. Way more payoff to saving confirmed town rather than giving myself the ability to confirm one watch result after I die. And if anyone tracked me (and there was enough suspicion on me yesterday to make me a very realistic target for scanners), saving him ensures he stays alive even if no one believes my claim and I get lynched. I'd have to be a fucking idiot to not take the option that actually helps keep him alive *and* improves my chances of living if I get tracked so that I can use my recruit and roleblock eventually
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Panthera posted...

I made sure a confirmed town dude would live instead of taking the risk that I would have let him die and killed myself for s***s and giggles. This day proves how good a call it was, because if I had done what the oh so amazing genius Scare suggests the only thing that would change is there's a chance Tony would be dead now too

Dead now too?

I dont understand your wording here.

And the thing youre not getting is that if you actually could mason me, youd know me dying wouldnt matter because I could still talk to you.
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To be fair, wed need to be convinced that you were recruited
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

If scum has an unblockable shot, which they usually do, mason recruiting Tony is more useful than a futile doc save. Then Tony dies and you still get a N1 result perhaps and Tony's voice/confirmation.

If they don't have an unblockable kill, they probably wouldn't shoot the watcher blindly N1.

So I don't see which scenario a one use doc save is more useful than a mason recruit.

They probably don't given Chris' stated disdain for them. If they don't, they might shoot Tony if Corrik is town and they actually believed his claim. Not the likeliest scenario maybe, but it's better to be safe that gleefully commit suicide.

ScareChan posted...

tony would literally flip mason and you would claim other mason

so much salt

My role isn't mason. His role isn't mason. The one time I saw a mason recruiter in a game, the recruited people didn't flip mason. What the fuck is this shit.

ScareChan posted...

Your thought process just doesnt seem real and its something you should have mentioned before being pressed

You opened the day ready to kill me regardless, there was no before being pressed bro. Don't try to deny it, you wouldn't start off the way you did unless you'd thought about whether there was a chance I was town power and decided you didn't think I was, not unless you're dumber than you think I am. My thought process makes perfect fucking sense if you try to actually think about what I would do as town. Not what you think you would do, what I, Panthera, would do. The fact that you've posted shit about some of my posts indicating I've given up shows you haven't tried that, because you've seen me in action enough that you should know better.
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Panthera posted...

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

If scum has an unblockable shot, which they usually do, mason recruiting Tony is more useful than a futile doc save. Then Tony dies and you still get a N1 result perhaps and Tony's voice/confirmation.

If they don't have an unblockable kill, they probably wouldn't shoot the watcher blindly N1.

So I don't see which scenario a one use doc save is more useful than a mason recruit.

They probably don't given Chris' stated disdain for them. If they don't, they might shoot Tony if Corrik is town and they actually believed his claim. Not the likeliest scenario maybe, but it's better to be safe that gleefully commit suicide.

ScareChan posted...

tony would literally flip mason and you would claim other mason

so much salt

My role isn't mason. His role isn't mason. The one time I saw a mason recruiter in a game, the recruited people didn't flip mason. What the fuck is this shit.

ScareChan posted...

Your thought process just doesnt seem real and its something you should have mentioned before being pressed

You opened the day ready to kill me regardless, there was no before being pressed bro. Don't try to deny it, you wouldn't start off the way you did unless you'd thought about whether there was a chance I was town power and decided you didn't think I was, not unless you're dumber than you think I am. My thought process makes perfect fucking sense if you try to actually think about what I would do as town. Not what you think you would do, what I, Panthera, would do. The fact that you've posted shit about some of my posts indicating I've given up shows you haven't tried that, because you've seen me in action enough that you should know better.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dead now too?

I dont understand your wording here.

And the thing youre not getting is that if you actually could mason me, youd know me dying wouldnt matter because I could still talk to you.

If Scare hints at having tracked me, he still tries to get people to think I'm scum, so I still end up claiming. If I claim I targeted the dead person, do you think I magically live through the day? No, I get lynched. So it's just like what's happening now, except in this case you would be dead if scum had shot you.

No shit you could still talk to me. Oh wow, my role does what it does, golly gee thanks Tony for explaining that, I had no idea masons could talk to each other. It's irrelevant because I wouldn't be able to prove you were talking to me, and to claim it would require me to claim I targeted the guy who died aka tell everyone to lynch me (if everyone is lynching me today, they would DEFINITELY be lynching me if you were dead). If scum hadn't shot you, okay cool, that would have worked out great, but I didn't want to take the risk when I could just save you and then hope to recruit you night 2 when I couldn't protect you anymore.
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Aggravating as hell that half the game openly brags about how they don't care enough to read the game, or just don't bother to post, or have no idea what's going on and don't even try to be caught up, and no one cares because no one ever cares about that shit, meanwhile people think I must be scum for not being a lazy ass who just says "hurrdy durr mason confirmedable me gun mason hurdy dur" because I'd rather actually think about all the possible ways it could play out and pick the one that seems to be safest.
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Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.
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Told you if you roleblocked Tony to just stop talking. Just wasting your time and no one is reading your posts.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.

Only going to get worse if we let these 2 days drag on.
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People literally looking at a confirmed scum Leo who only pops in occasionally to put up a token argument against the claimed track on him and saying nah, we need to go for the guy whose response just doesn't feel right to us even though he's been trying to actually get his thoughts out there so when he flips town people will at least have something to look back on in case there's anything in there that gets them thinking. No one even bothering to talk about why I would have claimed the way I did as scum, just spamming mindless buzzwords like "panicking" and "giving up" that are the literal opposite of what anything posted actually suggests because lulz.

People are so sure they got me tilted by voting for me while I'm sitting over here laughing my ass off because as soon as I got my role I decided to test my theory that being entirely myself as town (which is rather unusual for me) makes me enjoy the game more but also makes me more likely to get mislynched and I have been proven utterly right. Newsflash, the only thing that has actually bothered me is the whole "giving up" crap, because giving up = not playing to win = modkillable offense and it pisses me off to be accused of deliberately going against the competitive nature of the game I signed up to play. I don't sign up for games so I can not play them. Besides that I'm disappointed but honestly kind of amused by the whole thing.
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Corrik posted...

Told you if you roleblocked Tony to just stop talking. Just wasting your time and no one is reading your posts.

And the funny thing is I'm actually not going against your advice at all
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.

I am
Just dont feel like reading much this late.
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htaeD posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.

I am
Just dont feel like reading much this late.

Admittedly I am doing the same. My shift is ending soon and I've felt too tired to bother with reading walls for the last while.

I'd just like the inactives to chime in at least before we move on. Besides we'll incur the WRATH of FD if we end it before he does anything.

Scary~

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.

I just dont have anything to add at the moment, things were pretty straight forward when I joined, and things were pretty straight forward from the start of day 2.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.

I just dont have anything to add at the moment, things were pretty straight forward when I joined, and things were pretty straight forward from the start of day 2.

You could claim
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Whats frustrating is how many people are basically not even playing.

I just dont have anything to add at the moment, things were pretty straight forward when I joined, and things were pretty straight forward from the start of day 2.

...

You have barely said anything of substance all game. There's five scum. I assume you think Leo and I are two. You're wrong about me, but whatever. Still leaves three scum. Who are they? No reason not to try to figure it out.
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Have you said who the 5 scum are yet Panthera?
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##unvote:
##vote: Leo

Choo choo.
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IGCD youre a little light on content, but you three are honestly not who I was referring to.

There are like 5 players whove made like 2 posts total.

I suppose thats what happens with lynches deidea so early.

##vote: Panth

I think its time to move this game forward tbh.
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<_< Corrik
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Panthera, tell me the only possible scenario in which you could be town right now. Have you thought it through?
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Current Votals (#328)

[9] - Panth - Scare, Ben, Tange, Mzero, Zach, IGCD, (Corrik), PJ, (EDumey), Leo, Tony
[5] - Leo - Puns, (Crescent), (IGCD), (Sultan), Death, Panth, Sultan, Corrik
[0] - Puns - (Corrk)
[0] - Eaed - (Crescent)
[0]- Corrik - (Eaed), (Sultan)
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@TheSultanOfSlam.

Vote Panthera please.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

I'd just like the inactives to chime in at least before we move on. Besides we'll incur the WRATH of FD if we end it before he does anything.

Damn straight.

Although business has been slower today so i may be able to keep current while im at work today.

Though one of my cashier's says shes not feeling well and wants to leave early so maybe not.

In either case if im caught up when i get off work it will take me less time to scrutinize in greater detail tonight.
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Corrik posted...

Have you said who the 5 scum are yet Panthera?

Leo is obvious, I definitely still lean scum on FD.

So off the top of my head, town reads are Zach, Puns, Tony, Eaed, Han, Scare.

Leaves

Sultan, IGCD, MZero, PJ, Red, Tange, Crescent, Dumey, Ben, Death, Corrik.

I kind of feel Tange is town despite his limited contributions, doen't feel all that different from the last time I played with him where he was town (he's a bit more focused on irrelevant stuff here, but I don't know how much it really means). Corrik Claims are always a risky thing to believe but I can tentatively buy him here. Crescent seems like she's probably town, little leery because I think her writing style and fondness for harping on the same point until something comes of it comes across as very pro-town when it's more a personality thing, but I'd put her more towards the town side of the pile regardless.

Sultan, IGCD, MZero, PJ, Red, Dumey, Ben, Death. 8 players left.

Of the bunch, Sultan feels likelier to be newbie town. MZero hasn't made me think he's scum yet so that's a good thing, plus he had an interaction with Han day 1 that I kind of liked. Basically he asked Han for an opinion on FD immediately after Han gave an opinion on FD, then said after he was wanting to know why. Little hard to put into words but it kind of felt genuine to me, it's not a hard read but it makes him a bit lower priority than some others in this group. Red feels the scummiest here, I'm a bit hesitant because I feel like his lack of strong opinions so far must be at least partially due to a lack of time to play or something because there's no way his scum game is as simple as "barely post, ask pointless questions once in a blue moon" but there's a definite lack of real reads from him and that's not what I'd expect. Feels like he's trying to emulate aspects of his posting style but without the usual substance.

So Leo/FD/Red scum, in descending order of confidence.

IGCD, PJ, Dumey, Ben, Death.

Assuming at least one scum in there, maybe both if I'm actually being good at this for a change lol

PJ has given nothing to really work with besides some claim stuff that may or may not be serious (not just the miller claim, but joking about picking good night actions when Ben made his "clutch save" post, for example, obviously not claiming protection but it's hard to tell if he's trying to bait a shot as town, faking it as scum, or just having fun as either). IGCD has some really weird posts like when he briefly though Tony was scum who fake countered Zam on the assumption town had no Watcher, and generally was posting without seeming to be really thinking it through on day 1 (he justified it as having not caught up, since he did just replace in). Stressing that weird doesn't necessarily mean scum, he was fairly neutral in my eyes until just now when he decided to act like there isn't anything to say. That's blatantly not a pro-town mindset. It's not guaranteed scum since town does/says dumb things sometimes (hi guys it's me) but pushes him closer to the scummy side in my eyes. Death I haven't gotten a handle on yet but he hasn't done anything that makes me sure he's scum like in Blade mafia so that's nice.

Dumey and Ben have both given me cause for concern, although Ben has also had some moments that feel like they probably came from town (his attack on Scare during day 1 twilight, why he didn't like me believing Puns immediately). Dumey I don't really like how he followed me/Sultan onto Leo, with Leo being scum that looked like trying to look like he was making a train on scum happen but knowing it was a train that was unlikely to go anywhere.

So after Leo/FD/Red, probably Dumey. I can't really narrow down who exactly I think the last one is right now.
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Corrik posted...

Panthera, tell me the only possible scenario in which you could be town right now. Have you thought it through?

I don't care about your random scenario stuff, the scenario is that I'm town who saved Tony, scum also blocked him, you were blocked by town Eaed, and that's the way it is.
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Why do you trust puns?
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Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

Panthera, tell me the only possible scenario in which you could be town right now. Have you thought it through?

I don't care about your random scenario stuff, the scenario is that I'm town who saved Tony, scum also blocked him, you were blocked by town Eaed, and that's the way it is.

Yeah. No.

The only way you are town is if you went to him, I went to him, and a third scum roleblocker went to him also.

It is actually such an easy reason for how you could be town, that the fact you couldn't see it means you are talking out your ass
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@turbopuns2

Vote Panthera please.
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Alright then. I think the situation has been pretty much milked dry. Since scum has presumably known this the entire time, I'll fess up while we still have plenty of time to reflect and discuss. No last minute shenanigans.

Yes I've been bluffing everything.

Now. That leaves us with some considerations.

Unless we live in the world in which Leo actually is the scum who shot plum (in which case XD I'm amazing), Leo has truly known I was making it all up. The consideration is...if he knew I was making it up, WHY in the world would he act as though I would maintain the scan indefinitely? Soft claiming power makes no sense if you know good and well I'm just bullshitting. If Leo is town who ends up mislynched, it's on him for his attitude, frankly. A town Leo who knows I'm lying should not feel pressured or threatened or compelled to reveal power. As a matter of fact, I would be more likely to let it go sooner if he just kept laughing it off and scum/town hunting.

The other considerations are to look at how everybody in the game reacted as things progressed - keeping in mind that scum knew I was lying (again, unless we live in the world where I randomly guessed the actual killer). So I would check out people who were immediately confident I was full of shit, as well as the people who maybe were around but just took a back seat and watched everything unfold.

Death I feel is solidly town from this. His perspective and his input felt in line with how I figure town would react. I feel pretty good about him.

I hella do not trust red. I agree with Corrik that his contributions have just felt like little ways of putting out ideas to derail town, and not so much to help us focus. He's the prime example in my mind of someone who acknowledged the situation without really doing anything to influence it.

And we have waaaaay too many inactives. There's a couple scum in there.

Corrik posted...

Why do you trust puns?

Read the game at some point bro. He was a guy I believed was town yesterday and it's unlikely he would claim a track on Leo if it weren't fake. Not impossible, but unlikely, and with him not walking it back and the fact that I bought him to begin with, I tend to buy him.

Corrik posted...

Yeah. No.

The only way you are town is if you went to him, I went to him, and a third scum roleblocker went to him also.

It is actually such an easy reason for how you could be town, that the fact you couldn't see it means you are talking out your ass

Unless you and Eaed are both lying you were jailkept, so you didn't go anywhere. You were blocked by town, meaning Tony was blocked by scum (and thus probably not shot). That's literally what I was assuming, your choice of target doesn't enter into it beyond not mattering since you Eaed jailkept you. Unless by "third scum roleblocker" you mean scum has more than one blocker or something, but I assume you just mean "a third person always went to him, and it was scum blocker". Which is what I've obviously assumed since the claims from he/Eaed/you. So I don't really know what you're objecting to since your scenario is literally what I said with the exception of saying you were blocked, which I don't see the relevance of.
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@ColZach

Vote Panthera please.
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I have company arriving in 5 minutes but do not end this day early.

Turbo I hate you. I want to start day 3 tomorrow.
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Ironic ninjas are the name of the game
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We will still have a twilght to talk til 10:15. C'mon.
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I don't like how Leo responded to a fake track on himself. I can think of something potentially making him town but it seems unlikely with his reaction. First instinct is to still think he's scum but idk for sure, need to think on it. Not that it matters since I know people will just lynch me lol
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@RogueNoble

Claim.
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Panth just admitted that he knew the track on Leo was fake while being ninja by admitting it was fake

So he also knew leo did t target plum
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ScareChan posted...

Panth just admitted that he knew the track on Leo was fake while being ninja by admitting it was fake

So he also knew leo did t target plum

He misspoke.
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ScareChan posted...

Panth just admitted that he knew the track on Leo was fake while being ninja by admitting it was fake

So he also knew leo did t target plum

Your reading comprehension is hilariously awful
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