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IfGodCouldDie
08/10/18 12:48:16 AM
#252:


Panthera posted...
That thing from IGCD about Han does not feel like a slip, he was pretty much just saying that Han would obviously already call himself town without anyone else's actions being involved. Sometimes you just don't feel like writing out the whole "I would assume you would pretend to know you're town already scum!" routine on every post, you know? It's null, more a matter of preference in phrasing than alignment. Other, more relevant stuff to focus on from him.

This makes no sense. That's not what I did at all. Definitely cool with lynching Panth then Han at this point to be honest.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 12:49:40 AM
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Panthera
08/10/18 12:49:53 AM
#254:


benjamin3740 posted...

First of all this was a pretty wishy-washy stance on Sultan. But what do you mean by the part in bold? I can't fathom why you included it. I can only surmise that you're still treating my "clutch save last night" comment as a thing that only scum are so sure of, and now you're over-correcting to sound incredibly doubtful of any doc saves or blocks. And there's no reason why you should be that sure there weren't any


It is indeed a pretty wishy washy stance on Sultan. I haven't really made up my mind about him yet, just throwing thoughts at a wall to see if it helps on him.

I obviously think only scum knows for sure if there were or weren't extra kills, since that's literally true. My point is that if we have two bodyguards, a jailkeep and a jack with a doc save, it makes it more likely that scum would have an extra kill. Since we don't know if they do or not, it makes it a bit harder to figure out if Sultan is legit. And I'm not sure at all there haven't been any blocked kills, that's kind of the point. If there had been two kills each night we'd be more likely to buy the protection as all legit to balance it out, but with one per night we don't actually know if that's all scum has or not.
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IfGodCouldDie
08/10/18 12:50:31 AM
#255:


##Unvote
##Vote:Panth

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benjamin3740
08/10/18 12:54:36 AM
#256:


Panthera posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

First of all this was a pretty wishy-washy stance on Sultan. But what do you mean by the part in bold? I can't fathom why you included it. I can only surmise that you're still treating my "clutch save last night" comment as a thing that only scum are so sure of, and now you're over-correcting to sound incredibly doubtful of any doc saves or blocks. And there's no reason why you should be that sure there weren't any


It is indeed a pretty wishy washy stance on Sultan. I haven't really made up my mind about him yet, just throwing thoughts at a wall to see if it helps on him.

I obviously think only scum knows for sure if there were or weren't extra kills, since that's literally true. My point is that if we have two bodyguards, a jailkeep and a jack with a doc save, it makes it more likely that scum would have an extra kill. Since we don't know if they do or not, it makes it a bit harder to figure out if Sultan is legit. And I'm not sure at all there haven't been any blocked kills, that's kind of the point. If there had been two kills each night we'd be more likely to buy the protection as all legit to balance it out, but with one per night we don't actually know if that's all scum has or not.

Before I read this post, I'm gonna meta that you cut out the part of the quote that was your post where I bolded the part I ddint like because you also don't like it and don't want people to see it. :O I've done that as scum a couple times.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 12:55:27 AM
#257:


So I think crescent is derp cleared
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Panthera
08/10/18 12:55:42 AM
#258:


IfGodCouldDie posted...

What is against the rules and why would a joke be uncool in that context?


Deleting posts is against the rules. The usual routine is to just ignore stuff that's against the rules when possible. Not a big deal regardless. Anyway, I take it this confirms it was a joke.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This makes no sense. That's not what I did at all. Definitely cool with lynching Panth then Han at this point to be honest.


?

You said Han didn't need your interactions to prove he was town to himself, essentially. Basically means you're saying he should be calling himself town regardless of what anyone else does. I mean unless you want to argue that you actually did slip and tell him he knows for sure he's town because he is. Not seeing what else it could be if it wasn't just pointing out that Han obviously doesn't need to be persuaded of his own alignment.
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Panthera
08/10/18 12:58:10 AM
#259:


benjamin3740 posted...

Before I read this post, I'm gonna meta that you cut out the part of the quote that was your post where I bolded the part I ddint like because you also don't like it and don't want people to see it. :O I've done that as scum a couple times.


lol

I almost always cut out the parts of quotes where people are quoting me, I dislike gigantic quote chains quoting themselves ad nauseum, they're bad for readability.
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 12:59:35 AM
#260:


Panthera posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

First of all this was a pretty wishy-washy stance on Sultan. But what do you mean by the part in bold? I can't fathom why you included it. I can only surmise that you're still treating my "clutch save last night" comment as a thing that only scum are so sure of, and now you're over-correcting to sound incredibly doubtful of any doc saves or blocks. And there's no reason why you should be that sure there weren't any


It is indeed a pretty wishy washy stance on Sultan. I haven't really made up my mind about him yet, just throwing thoughts at a wall to see if it helps on him.

I obviously think only scum knows for sure if there were or weren't extra kills, since that's literally true. My point is that if we have two bodyguards, a jailkeep and a jack with a doc save, it makes it more likely that scum would have an extra kill. Since we don't know if they do or not, it makes it a bit harder to figure out if Sultan is legit. And I'm not sure at all there haven't been any blocked kills, that's kind of the point. If there had been two kills each night we'd be more likely to buy the protection as all legit to balance it out, but with one per night we don't actually know if that's all scum has or not.

So you're saying you meant to say "especially if scum has no extra kills"? Why didnt you just say that?
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 1:02:11 AM
#261:


Panthera posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

Before I read this post, I'm gonna meta that you cut out the part of the quote that was your post where I bolded the part I ddint like because you also don't like it and don't want people to see it. :O I've done that as scum a couple times.


lol

I almost always cut out the parts of quotes where people are quoting me, I dislike gigantic quote chains quoting themselves ad nauseum, they're bad for readability.

*frantically checks back through the topic to see if this is true*

Alright, I'll give you that
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Panthera
08/10/18 1:02:28 AM
#262:


benjamin3740 posted...
So you're saying you meant to say "especially if scum has no extra kills"? Why didnt you just say that?


With one kill per night and nothing to suggest town was responsible for either, the two statements are functionally identical. For there to be a scum kill that was blocked requires scum to have had an extra kill.
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Leafeon13N
08/10/18 1:02:35 AM
#263:


Also i left panth a question earlier and i dont think it got answered (if it did i missed it I've been almost entirely on phone today).
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 1:03:44 AM
#264:


Panthera if you live today would you rather try and confirm someone town with your ability since Sultan can bodyguard Tony?
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Panthera
08/10/18 1:04:28 AM
#265:


Leafeon13N posted...
Also i left panth a question earlier and i dont think it got answered (if it did i missed it I've been almost entirely on phone today).


If it was the thing about whether my recruit confirms me to the other person, I did answer (the answer is yes). If it was something else I think I missed it.
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Leafeon13N
08/10/18 1:08:19 AM
#266:


Panthera posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Also i left panth a question earlier and i dont think it got answered (if it did i missed it I've been almost entirely on phone today).


If it was the thing about whether my recruit confirms me to the other person, I did answer (the answer is yes). If it was something else I think I missed it.


Ok it was that. At this point killing you would be stpid then.
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Panthera
08/10/18 1:11:48 AM
#267:


benjamin3740 posted...
Panthera if you live today would you rather try and confirm someone town with your ability since Sultan can bodyguard Tony?


I would rather not speculate on what I would do (beyond the obvious that I would recruit someone) because it could lead to scum interfering if they pick up the hint (ie kill my target so it looks like I submitted the night kill on them, kill me so my target looks bad for my death, which also shades whoever Eaed blocked since if only I die, it looks like whoever he jailed was submitting the night kill). If people want to argue about what I should do if I live I'll pay attention and think on it, but I won't be revealing anything beyond what I have here.
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MZero11
08/10/18 1:43:17 AM
#268:


DoubleTangicide posted...
So just getting off work and catching up

Something about Sultans posts regarding PJ seems.....forced.

Hey PJ claim (votes PJ)

He claimed miller

Oh, I forgot

Thats just....yikes.

Also, what if Dumey is our scum RB and Panth is telling the truth?

Or

What if Dumey AND Panth are scum together?

That would explain why we had two blocks yesterday

I dont think I should be lynched over PJ here if were going for inactives (which I think theres plenty of evidence that we shouldnt today)

I think a lot falls into place if we lynch Panth
I still like Hans argument against Mzero

I place scare, Hans and Puns firmly in confirmed town in my mind

Inb4SCUMMONED


Why are you speculating on Dumey being RB specifically?

What's the point of saying pj should be the lynch over you if we lynch an inactive and right after say we shouldn't lynch any inactives? Also pj has more votes than you anyway...

"A lot falls into place if we lynch Panth"... then why are you voting me? Also give your own reasons not just "I like everything Han said". Also Han said he thinks I'm town so why are you still on me if you agree with him?

The majority of this post is pointless fluff
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ColZach
08/10/18 1:43:27 AM
#269:


##unvote:Panth

Ive heard enough, and if anything goes wrong we can lynch him tomorrow.

Unfortunately I have to be frank, my leads are a little dry right now. Han/Mzero I think has one scum, but we have lots of inactives that havent given enough character moments. Makes me want to lynch pj just on policy
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Panthera
08/10/18 1:49:34 AM
#270:


ColZach posted...
Han/Mzero I think has one scum


Which one do you think it is?
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DoubleTangicide
08/10/18 2:18:58 AM
#271:


MZero11 posted...
DoubleTangicide posted...
So just getting off work and catching up

Something about Sultans posts regarding PJ seems.....forced.

Hey PJ claim (votes PJ)

He claimed miller

Oh, I forgot

Thats just....yikes.

Also, what if Dumey is our scum RB and Panth is telling the truth?

Or

What if Dumey AND Panth are scum together?

That would explain why we had two blocks yesterday

I dont think I should be lynched over PJ here if were going for inactives (which I think theres plenty of evidence that we shouldnt today)

I think a lot falls into place if we lynch Panth
I still like Hans argument against Mzero

I place scare, Hans and Puns firmly in confirmed town in my mind

Inb4SCUMMONED


Why are you speculating on Dumey being RB specifically?


Im just spitballing there. We know dumey has blocking powers because Corrik was blocked.

That doesnt necessarily mean hes a jail keeper as he claims.

Actually, if I remember right, wasnt there some discussion before he claimed jailkeeper?

What's the point of saying pj should be the lynch over you if we lynch an inactive and right after say we shouldn't lynch any inactives? Also pj has more votes than you anyway...


Like right before this post, someone said they should lynch me over PJ.

I dont think we should lynch inactives at this juncture, but if thats the direction town decides to go in, I think PJ is a better lynch than me right now

"A lot falls into place if we lynch Panth"... then why are you voting me? Also give your own reasons not just "I like everything Han said". Also Han said he thinks I'm town so why are you still on me if you agree with him?


I voted for you because I thought Han laid out a very compelling argument pointing out why youre scum. I dont want to move my on to Panth yet, weve already ended one day early and dont want to put is in a position where we do it again.

The majority of this post is pointless fluff


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Panthera
08/10/18 2:29:15 AM
#272:


You have Dumey and Eaed mixed up.

DoubleTangicide posted...

I dont think we should lynch inactives at this juncture, but if thats the direction town decides to go in, I think PJ is a better lynch than me right now


This is a very weird sentence
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red13n
08/10/18 3:13:16 AM
#273:


Alright I have a new plan. Going through day 1 zam and assuming he is the dumbest player ever to see what I can meta off of it.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:20:21 AM
#274:


theres a lot of town clears in zam iso
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red13n
08/10/18 3:32:56 AM
#275:


ScareChan posted...
theres a lot of town clears in zam iso


pj is cleared almost immediately. (Running with the mindset everything zam says works in the worst possible way for scum)

also sorry stopped to play games with a friend so i'm not actively working on it(I assumed everyone was asleep).
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:33:39 AM
#276:


Im here probably going to reread again
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:35:09 AM
#277:


What was Crescents recent scum game by the way
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:35:54 AM
#278:


Red I want thoughts on Han
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:37:45 AM
#279:


I think this is my poe right now

3. IfGodCouldDie
7. Mzero11
8. pjbasis
12. Leafeon13N (red13N/Red)
14. DoubleTangicide
16. HanOfTheNekos
20. Benjamin3740
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:48:56 AM
#280:


DoubleTangicide posted...
##Vote: Zach

1) I believe Leo's thinking comes from the right place.
2) I like Han's activity.
3) Zach has repeatedly claimed to be a third party in a game where there IS NO THIRD PARTY
4) Zach also tried to debate the merits of a no-lynch. Something that has proven to be a scum tactic


Tange rule of 3 with leo here

he does rule of 3 a lot as scum
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:51:14 AM
#281:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I find it interesting that both Zach and Tony, the guys I pushed as Scum, are latching onto this "can't be autocorrect, Zam is 100% Scum" line of thought.


bad han
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:53:41 AM
#282:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I'd be okay putting pressure on Zam.

Zam is playing very aggressively..


This was weird of sultan because he didnt vote zam and when he did at first he did it incorrectly

also I dont think Zam was all that aggressive at this point. Could be scum peppering to justify a vote
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:55:08 AM
#283:


ColZach posted...
Town watcher with no flavor attached

Okay Zam Im sorry Ive decided where today is going


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
I'm sick of B8 Towns being so bad day 1

Guys, let's lynch the claimed Watcher


Another bad Han post
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:56:14 AM
#284:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
this will probably be my last game, I'm getting tired of all the "You don't play our way, so your awful" mentality several not so great people on this board have.

also for anyone who said they haven't had an autocorrect problem on their phones, I call absolute bull crap. Everyone has had an autocorrect issue.


No don't.

I think you're Town, buddy! :)


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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:57:22 AM
#285:


benjamin3740 posted...
Eh, unfortunately Zam is town. He has no reason to claim besides frustration.

benjamin3740 posted...
masterplum posted...
In

##unvote
##vote:Alakazam


I am pretty confident he called me town solely because he knows I am not on his team

This seems so specific. You think Zam wouldn't be able to town read you as town, nor do you think Zam would be comfortable shading you if he was scum? Does he call every town town or would it just be you?


Han and Ben : Zam defense force
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:01:47 AM
#286:


DoubleTangicide posted...
##Unvote
##Vote: Zam


Tange is usually quick to bus buddies when its blowing up like this

didnt he also vote leo day 2?
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:02:09 AM
#287:


this is in topic 2 now by the way for those following along
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:03:35 AM
#288:


benjamin3740 posted...
Uhhh. Guess I'll wait to hear what Zam says. The only thing running through my head since the second he claimed watcher was that he's town regardless if he's actually Watcher or not. The likelihood of which being pretty low since he has fake claimed power without fail every town game in like the last 5 or so >_>


Ben caught with hand in the cookie jar still trying to safe face and defend
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:04:09 AM
#289:


Red has left me by my lonesome too
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Forceful_Dragon
08/10/18 4:06:42 AM
#290:


FD is here! At least until his wife is ready for bed and then he is not.

I'm going to dig on [that site] again briefly because I still feel like there were Sultan posts from TT that I'm remembering but didn't get to earlier.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:07:55 AM
#291:


EDumey posted...
ColZach posted...
If Zam faked his role, and is town, then we lose. Because we will lynch him, then well lynch tony, then well be two days out up getting fucked creek next to deadtownsville.

However I have respect for Zam as a player and after last game Im pretty sure everyone is in agreement the zam pass has expired


If Zam is town, we would lynch Tony believing he's scum.

Why did your post just imply that Tony is also town in that situation? Is that a scum slip that you know Tony is town?


I have made posts like Zach did recently and the people that got on me most were scum

maybe negative point for dumey

he did also say he had to weigh who he trusted between tony and zam
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:08:35 AM
#292:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
FD is here! At least until his wife is ready for bed and then he is not.

I'm going to dig on [that site] again briefly because I still feel like there were Sultan posts from TT that I'm remembering but didn't get to earlier.


How do you feel about us leaving Panth today and allowing him to try to mason since he says that it will confirm him to his partner
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:10:15 AM
#293:


eh dumey kind of cleans it up right after so back to good on him
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:11:36 AM
#294:


EDumey posted...
Before day ends and we lynch Zam, I want to hear more from

1. TheSultanOfSlam
2. RogueNoble (Leo)
3. IfGodCouldDie
7. Mzero11
8. pjbasis
9. Corrik
13. Forceful_Dragon
14. DoubleTangicide
20. Benjamin3740
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

Preferably on topics that are not Zam/Tony related.

I'm kind of annoyed that Leo didn't make an appearance at all today. While I get that he was trying to get things started at the beginning of the day, definitely want to hear his conclusions on his initial push.


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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:14:29 AM
#295:


also looking at votes from TT it looks like Sultan only voted a scum buddy on the final day
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Forceful_Dragon
08/10/18 4:15:26 AM
#296:


ScareChan posted...
How do you feel about us leaving Panth today and allowing him to try to mason since he says that it will confirm him to his partner


I'm okay with it in theory, and I like the steps that Panth has taken to not be completely specific about his action.

But when you think about it logically there are only a couple of realistic choices for his action tonight, and I can only imagine what tools scum might have to play that interaction against us.

Someone mentioned the possibility of a bus action at some point (I'll take a look and see who that was exactly after this message) and the fact is we've only seen a Vanilla and a Scanning Role (Detective) flip and we've seen the effects of a roleblock. It feels like scum must have some other way to interact with us and we could just be setting ourselves up for disappointment by hoping to get too much out of Panth's supposed mason recruit. Whatever tools they have at their disposal they would definitely be using to obfuscate tonight's actions.

But good stuff with the Zam iso so far, keep it up!

I'll look up who mentioned bus real fast and then repost my SUltan findings. There wasn't much more than I said earlier.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:16:23 AM
#297:


[6] - Alakazam - Scare, Zach, Plum, Sultan, Tony, Tange
[4] - Plum - Puns, Leo, Death, (Han), Ben
[1] - Leo - (Sultan), Panthera, (EDumey)
[1] - Zach - Han, (Tange)
[1] - FD - Corrik
[1] - Edumey - Zam
[1] - Puns - (Crescent), IGCD
[0] - Crescent - (Scare), (Plum)
[0] - Corrik - (Scare)
[0] - Han - (Crescent), (Tony)


Those are after Zam got countered but before he fully blew up

Ben was definitely around so him staying on where he was doesnt look great
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:17:00 AM
#298:


I was the one who mentioned bus or redirector
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:19:25 AM
#299:


ScareChan posted...
So assuming zam is scum

Tony lock town

Han, zach, plum, dumey all very likely town


my reason for Han on that list was that Zam said him instead of Zach but rereading he is not looking nearly as good. He never mentioned Zam so he kind of HAD to say "hey I never mentioned you wtf"
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ScareChan
08/10/18 4:24:38 AM
#300:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Scare is defending his Scumbuddy Ben.

I do look pretty bad for pointing out Zam's error and not pushing it, but to be fair, I was kinda tunneling on Zach+Tony and when they both hopped on Zam, it did look really bad to me at the time.

I WILL say that puns and Leo have both let me down and I will NOT be voting plum, just to spite them.

I might vote Leo just to spite plum tho.

Forceful_Dragon posted...
Whew, home from work, and slightly before midnight at that.

And from brief skimming I see that Zam is doing stupid shit again, but is actually being held accountable, which is something I have been pushing for the last 3 games. It must be my fucking birthday (oh wait, it is! :D)

I'm not entirely clear on what insane thing he did, but I'll get to that.

I just got home and my wife made me a special dinner of ribs, so I'm gonna have a nice dinner, and I should have an hour or so available to start getting up to speed. That wont be enough time to cover the 550ish posts, but it will be a start. And then I have church and more birthday stuff tomorrow (as previously mentioned), but I'll be a productive member of society before you know it.


Also I want to lynch FD for this. (unrelated note: happy birthday!)


realllly bad Han post
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MZero11
08/10/18 4:25:35 AM
#301:


Oh hey Scare what do you think about my Han posts earlier
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