Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia 6: Death on Two Legs

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MZero11 posted...

ScareChan posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

I am town watcher

autocorrects do happen, there's a whole YouTube section on them.

Aw, good try.

##unvote
##vote: Alakazam

how is this a counterclaim?

But yeah if you are town watcher you dont entertain a counterclaim at all because you would know you are the one thats real here

I don't really get where you're going with this, btw

Zam clearly wasn't entertaining a counter claim? But even if he was 1) scum can lie and counter-claim anyway and 2) there could be two watchers. So even if he was entertaining the possibility Tony was counter claiming I don't see how that's indicative

Unless I'm missing something!

bad miz post
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what a ninja

what was your post miz
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benjamin3740 posted...

If Zam has no excuses for himself then I have none for him. All he's doing now is posting frustration, which he is capable of as scum as shown by the game he threatened to report Scare or something. So I'm fine with killing him today.

Meanwhile, in another part of the city~

ScareChan posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Man, I forgot Rik was playing. Now there's something that never usually happens.

He did it just last game and was scum to boot!

I can't ignore this anymore! I got a bone to pick with Rik. Talk about a man making no excuses. Let me know what you think about Alakazam

##Unvote

##Vote: Corrik

Kind of odd to try and get a counter wagon to Zam at this stage
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

For someone who only played once and I dont believe their was a town watcher..

Zam can you explain the power a little?

benjamin3740 posted...

If Zam IS scum then the burning question for me is why did he claim at all. He had to feel like he was burned hard by the auto correct debacle. The way that Zam replied to Zach with frustration at pushing that subject makes me think there's no way they're both scum.

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

I'm really, really getting sick of driving and living in the north pole. I'm caught up now on the whole topic and a half I missed. Luckily, it doesn't seem like it mattered because I can guarantee you that Alakzam is not watcher. The CRUSADE plan would have worked better if people had done literally anything to progress it when it when I was gone. I admit I didn't think I'd have to personally whip every single vote. Puns, Han, Death, why didn't you actually whip votes on Plum? It makes it feel like your votes were entirely for show and not in support of our glorious inquisition! Something to look at tomorrow, but for now...sometimes, just sometimes, you Lynch All Liars Especially If They're Acting Scummy AF In The Same Way As Last Game Where They Were Ignored And Won As Scum,or LALEITASAITSWALGWTWIAWAS for short.

##Unvote

##Vote: Zam

Defense force then possible rule of 3 there with han, puns, death and leaning han is the scum
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What did Panth say his other action was again?
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ScareChan posted...

I was the one who mentioned bus or redirector

Yup, I found it!

So if you were curious, Scare, it was Scare who casually mentioned the possibility of scum redirection. <_<

But yeah, that's a pretty heavy potential downside to the mason recruiter. But we *do* have other good options today so I'm fine with it either way.

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Anyways as far as the Sultan thing goes it went down basically like this.

-I mentioned Sultan looking not so hot in a couple of exchanges.

-When it came time to mention who i'd like to focus on I said:

But no one will get on board with that and Zam can't be the only scum so we look elsewhere. And to me elsewhere means somewhere between Zach / Fake / Sultan / ScareNana who have all seemed bad at various points.

-I then detailed the conversation that Sultan participated in day 1 when they talked about the deadline. It was as follows:

Red: Also what time is deadline?
Sultan: 410
Sultan: 48 hours right so yes 4:10
Nana: I thought deadline was 11 PM EST and day started early but that meant we got extra time?
Sultan: Ahhh

-I said that based on the fact that he participated in a conversation about the specific time that day was ending that posting 23 minutes late warranted a modkill regardless of alignment.

-Sultan Says:

I literally missed the rule you can't post after stop. Also you want to lynch it modkill someone for a rookie mistake then you could make fake mods killed because he changed posts

Eaed made a call let's go with it

-And it was crap that he would calim that he "missed a rule about posting after stop" because the word STOP is the rule itself. And so i said as much. But also said that I wasn't asking the host to change the result and MK him, just that it was clearly a mistake.

-Which resulted in this post from Sultan:

To be fair someone else posted after stop as well so I didn't think anything of it

-And then before I'd even responded to him again:

##Unvote

##vote fd

He is being a huge a hole for no reason and I was already suspicious of him so f u dude

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And THAT is the "Sultan's Scum Vote on Poor Detective FD in TinyToons Mafia Timeline" in it's entirety.

I think in my memory it was worse than it was having gone through it again, but I did not take kindly to being called an "a hole" simply for being objective about something.
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ScareChan posted...

What did Panth say his other action was again?

iirc it was "roleblock"

<_<
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Panthera posted...

Good morning, sorry for not being around last night, was occupied. Will be gone much of this afternoon but I'll be around for a few hours before deadline.

Anyway first up since a few people have asked (and Crescent/Zach you don't need to @ me, seeing that notification always make me think I got banned or something, I'll get to questions when I have time don't worry), I thought Zam was town early on for two main reasons. First, there was a post where he asked Ben if Ben was hoping a bodyguard exists. In Puns' recent game, Zam pretty much gave away his role (role swapper, essentially) day 1 by asking people to consider the possibility that it might exist, so I thought he might just be slipping up about his role like that. Second, his big series of catch up posts seemed different than how he usually plays, but in a way I didn't expect from him as scum. It felt like he was trying to be more detail oriented and put more effort into making a case in response to the criticism people keep throwing at him for being detrimental to town, as scum I figured he'd be content to just make brief posts whose logic didn't click for anyone else and let people assume he was being his usual self. So that's why I was wrong, as for why I pointed it out, he was either around or being mentioned by other players, so he was on my mind as someone to give my read on.

Anyway, I don't like FD's catch up post last night/this morning and I would disagree with PJ saying he made similar posts as town before, while it's true in general terms (FD doesn't have much time to play so he makes walls when he's around to ensure he gets his thoughts out), his big catch up posts are usually a lot more focused on the details of the game. He's usually discussing players and their interactions to try to figure things out as town, but that post was just a tangential discourse on mafia theory that didn't really wrap around to any sort of point. Even if he doesn't have much time, he clearly did read the Leo/Plum vote train situations, and yet do you see any attempt to figure out alignments of the people involved? I would expect town FD to have some stronger opinions, frankly. That post was just "look at me, I'm posting like I usually do".

So originally I voted Leo about 90% to see where it went, 10% because his vote on Plum actually bugged me, which makes it interesting that Dumey followed along (Sultan, who voted Leo before I did...hard to say, he's new enough to not know like I do that people make it obvious their vote is purely for pressure as town sometimes). Slight point against them being scum together, I think. Anyway Leo's response has made me feel good about keeping my vote on him, his jump to seeing the people voting him as defending Plum was weak and felt too much like he was using connected events to suggest people might be scum despite knowing it wasn't really that strong. I like the melodramatic vote on Zam though, that was cute.

So I'm leaning scum on Leo/FD. Strongest town read at this point (besides Tony, since who the hell fake counter claims Zam on day 1) is Zach, I feel like I've seen his town game enough to recognize some of his habits. I like Plum and Puns too, Han as well but I've always though he's town when he's scum so I'm a bit warier about trusting that read.

Sultan, why did you ask Zam to explain what a watcher is to you instead of Tony? Did you not notice the whole discussion about the counter claim?

Can someone find that post about bodyguard?
is sultan scum bodyguard?

I dont think Town has a vig at this point so itis unlikely but... weird
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ScareChan posted...

what a ninja

what was your post miz

I mean my whole back and forth with Han from last topic page 7-9 >_>

I don't remember you saying commenting on it although you seem to also be suspicious of Han
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ScareChan posted...

Can someone find that post about bodyguard?

Which post? The one where Sultan asked if someone claimed BG (after Corrik had clearly claimed it) ?
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yeah Sultan really blew up on me for one vote today
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we'd need a town vig before scum gets a bodyguard
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MZero11 posted...

ScareChan posted...

what a ninja

what was your post miz

I mean my whole back and forth with Han from last topic page 7-9 >_>

I don't remember you saying commenting on it although you seem to also be suspicious of Han

Im back in like topic 2, but I will check it in a bit
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

ScareChan posted...

Can someone find that post about bodyguard?

Which post? The one where Sultan asked if someone claimed BG (after Corrik had clearly claimed it) ?

No apparently Zam asked Ben if he was hoping there was a bodyguard
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ScareChan posted...

yeah Sultan really blew up on me for one vote today

Right, and people were saying that's distinctly different from his play last game, but I'm not entirely sure that's the case.

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ScareChan posted...

No apparently Zam asked Ben if he was hoping there was a bodyguard

I'll take a look!
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turbopuns2 posted...

So there's a pretty high chance Zam was told by his team to claim specifically watcher

Basically someone on scum was like "hey Zam why don't you just be a dear and claim watcher and then some town might counter you and then all we lost was vanilla but we found the watcher"

this trade probably benefits scum, tbh

It's exactly what we tried to get Prof to do in Phoenix Wright mafia when he was under suspicion day 1. just claim cop! but he was too lazy

Who else was scum that game?

I kind of dont think that Zam was prompted to claim that, the claim was kind of quick, I doubt there was much discussion on it I think Zam just went rogue but could be good to hear who was scum in the gme that was suggested
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Found It! Page 2 of Topic 1.

Ben made his doctor post:

benjamin3740 posted...[D1, T1, P057]

Interesting. So that means Puns is currently either town or dead.

My role is doctor so I'll check his pulse tonight.

And Zam immediately says:

Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P058]

I hope that's not your actual role... or else your hoping for a bg?

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Which in true Zam fashion... doesn't make sense?
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very possible though scum just had a ninja and someone said early on "if someone needs to claim just claim watcher or tracker and see if someone counters" so its not completely off the table
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Which in true Zam fashion... doesn't make sense?

I think he's saying Ben is hoping a bodyguard exists to protect him?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

So there's a pretty high chance Zam was told by his team to claim specifically watcher

Basically someone on scum was like "hey Zam why don't you just be a dear and claim watcher and then some town might counter you and then all we lost was vanilla but we found the watcher"

this trade probably benefits scum, tbh

It's exactly what we tried to get Prof to do in Phoenix Wright mafia when he was under suspicion day 1. just claim cop! but he was too lazy

or tony is scum watcher and they assume town wouldnt have one and now tony gets "town cleared"

eesh
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That supposes eaed is the scumblocker then.
Too many links in a fragile chain.
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and yeah I think that was just Zam logic jump, dont think it means much
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htaeD posted...

That supposes eaed is the scumblocker then.
Too many links in a fragile chain.

I dont follow this at all, what is it you are referring to?
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

he not modkilling any one, he's preventing a blow up because that's where it's headed.

alsoLeafeon13N posted...

Corrik was either caught with his hand in the cookie jar or zam was an idiot.

Both are plausible, honestly.

your an ass red.

like I said being called an idiot.

hmm
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ScareChan posted...

I kind of dont think that Zam was prompted to claim that, the claim was kind of quick, I doubt there was much discussion on it I think Zam just went rogue but could be good to hear who was scum in the gme that was suggested

Well anyone could have red the scum board, but scum from PW was:

Chris
Turbopuns
Sceptile
prof
Crescent
Han

Sceptile was replaced by ColZach
Crescent was replaced by SE

And I think that was all the scum replaces?
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RogueNoble posted...

Well, that happened. Beyond the obvious "continue to lynch the obvious scum who claimed scum, then claimed scum even harder," I do believe Zam heavily implies he knows Plum is town. Corrik being comically wrong about is how he won the last two scum games in a row. Let's not forget town Corrik is one of the best players in this game this time.

Well we know why they killed plum first
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so a good chunk of players here could potentially float that idea out there

I think Han is the most critical thinker of them so he may have floated it out there, or even puns himself

as good as puns looks this game lets not forget he does off the wall things as scum. Posting his entire team post 1 comes to mind
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PJ - in order for PJ to be scum, Zam would have had to have been bussing him right off the start, as he asks puns if hes counterclaiming PJ. T1P1

zam attempts to rolefish ben #58 topic 1.

topic 1 #68 insinuates both millers are town. #71 indecisive about either, leaves both open to mislynch, no stand.

topic 1 #202, defends leo from sultan, asks sultan to elaborate leo vote

various and i lost my place: zam goes pretty hard after dumey, only person he suspects so far really.

topic 1 #210, butters up death, says hes making decent posts.

#386 zam mixes han and colzach. Han comes back immediately and then zam comes back with the idiotic typo argument. This is something that likely gets talked about on the scumboard if they are scum together instead of lol'd in the topic.

Zam was pissed off in T2 about someone telling him he was checking out and was scum because of it, they are probably town.

T2 180 Not Zam but a really weak defense of zam by mzero.

T2 #306 I actually missed this but Zam confirmed corrik town. oops. Lucky that sorted itself out quickly yesterday.
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Anyway, that is all meta assuming zam is just on all levels the easiest person to read ever.

3. IfGodCouldDie
6. Panthera
7. Mzero11
14. DoubleTangicide
17. Crescent-Moon
18. Edumey

16. HanOfTheNekos
21. htaeD (Death)
1. TheSultanOfSlam
20. Benjamin3740
8. pjbasis

4. ColZach
10. ChaosTonyV4
11. turbopuns2
13. Forceful_Dragon
19. ScareChan
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

That is how that breaks this down.
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Corrik posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

...Who is this person? This has been super mild compared to half the games I have been in.

looks like an mlp poster.

However whomever it is felt the need to interrupt a game for such a b.s. post

Dude, it is so clearly your alt. C'mon now.

He has no posts til 11 minutes ago in the past 3 weeks. Most his most recent posts are from months ago.

Including a few in this doozy of a topic.

Crystal_pony posted on Current Events, in the topic "Do you like Alakazamtrainer?"

Person has like no posts on board 8 in his recent posts. All CE.

this makes me laugh in hindsight. I was irritated when it went down but now its just funny
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I dont see how that confirmed corrik. Explain? Just curious
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red13n posted...

Anyway, that is all meta assuming zam is just on all levels the easiest person to read ever.

3. IfGodCouldDie
6. Panthera
7. Mzero11
14. DoubleTangicide
17. Crescent-Moon
18. Edumey

16. HanOfTheNekos
21. htaeD (Death)
1. TheSultanOfSlam
20. Benjamin3740
8. pjbasis

4. ColZach
10. ChaosTonyV4
11. turbopuns2
13. Forceful_Dragon
19. ScareChan
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

That is how that breaks this down.

Scum at top I take it

is this ordered at all or just tossed
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Well the wife is ready for bed which means so am I.
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9ScareChan posted...

I dont see how that confirmed corrik. Explain? Just curious

corrik getting hand caught in the cookie jar, ie, scum defending scum.

or zam is an idiot.

Zam came back saying I was calling him an idiot. IE, corrik didnt have his hand in the cookie jar.
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yeah red puts town at the bottom. It's bizarre.

It confused me last game too.
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ScareChan posted...

Scum at top I take it

of course.

middle is in opposite order I took them off(Unless i fucked up and accidentally put one at the bottom when i'd been putting the next on top).

Top and bottom are just left in order.
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benjamin3740 posted...

ScareChan posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Hey Scare, I have a weird question for you. Be honest - how much do you desire ranking in Chris' patented top 3 players?

None at all.

It's these posts that led me to ask you this question.

ScareChan posted...

I would be shocked if zam is not just scum watcher

And none of the people I listed were people I said were busting him.

Han, zach, plum are the ones that were involved where he messed up saying it was auto correct and similarly last game he messed up players that were posted here in topic tjay were all town. So that's town points to all I feel

Dumey is the only guy zam voted today so also town points

In fact the only person I said is sketchy is sultan because that is a possible Bus. Especially if you go out and see how the vote went down

ScareChan posted...

So assuming zam is scum

Tony lock town

Han, zach, plum, dumey all very likely town

For reference, these were made by you after Tony counter claimed watcher, but before he admitted to being scum. At this point, Alakazam was not at all confirmed to be scum, and you seemed to have already decided that he was. Enough to take the next step and start saying players who interacted with him in certain ways were town. This came off to me as either a town who was being "extra" to a fault (perhaps trying to be MVP), or a scum who is bussing Zam and already knew he was scum with nothing to stand on. Someone who knew how the day was going to end. I will explain why I felt that now.

I've hardly ever seen someone set up so many reads on players in advance before the player who's interactions you are judging even flips. I dont think you could have been so confident in Alakazam's scumminess to truthfully have all of those reads with so much confidence. Especially since you are well aware of Zam's "sketchy plays" as both alignments.

But even with you being confident Zam is scum this game, you listed 4 people after Tony - basically anyone who interacted with Zam at all during the period where you saw him break, and called them all "very likely town". I think there is a huge gap in potential towniness from those interactions between Zach and say...Dumey. I think calling them all equally "very likely town" wraps it up in a bow too nicely and you could easily fit a scum mate or two into that list who look good coming out of the Zam interactions.

I have one more thing to say, let me go quote it

I felt this is pro town from Ben though, it looks like he was trying to solve me which seemed geniune to me. Could someone thats not me comment on it though from eyes outside of it being based on me
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oh fuck ben FoS'd me

so scum
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it's weird because you started the post with "assuming zam is scum" and most of Ben's most was about how Zam hasn't flipped yet... which is precisely why you would say "assuming"
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Corrik posted...

Also, another thing I noticed from Alakazam last game is that he likes to ask people what he should do or how things look and etc on the scumboard. He asked this a bunch. I told him to stop looking at things that way because it is a scummy outlook and posting style to be worrying about his look.

So, I could see him claiming that and asking his team what they thought about it and how to go about it.

I'd imagine the only real response he got was... well if one doesn't exist you live. If it does, you are dead. I don't know what else you can say to it.

The thing I just do not get is that if he is actually Scum Vanilla how he somehow thought claiming that with 20 unclaimeds was a smart idea. Especially, when it is a basically guaranteed role to be in the game if a Ninja exists.

It is hard to weigh sometimes between poor play and logical play with Alakazam. Logically, he never should have claimed that unless he is scum watcher. He is going to be expected to have results all game at this point. That is going to be a basically impossible task and a noose at every point. That is why I was super unsure how the fuck as scum he could have claimed that unless he was town vanilla just trying to look like power to draw something. But, I mean, it happened, I guess, so I dunno. If he isn't scum watcher, I am flabbergasted.

You have to almost look at that point to whether or not he was offed on purpose to make people better at that point... but... again... where do you draw poor play and logical play with him? It's hard.

Potential for the watcher claim to be floated preemtively with corrik's first paragraph here
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I may be tapping out here in a few, Im at topic 3 page 2 for when I get back
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ScareChan posted...

so a good chunk of players here could potentially float that idea out there

I think Han is the most critical thinker of them so he may have floated it out there, or even puns himself

as good as puns looks this game lets not forget he does off the wall things as scum. Posting his entire team post 1 comes to mind

Just thinking harder on it, han is a good player. If hes going to come back at zam for that typo, hes probably going to be talking to him on the scumboard. That whole mixup exchange feels like zam was in a panic. He definitely wasn't getting scumboard advice. And it happens pretty fast.
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did you abandon me already scare.
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red Ive been here all night and now that I sayim tired you saying im leaving you

of course not im in this
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lo red left me now

for why
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reading the han and mzero stuff miz asked me to look at now but

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm going to make this vote because I think he is suspicious and would like to hear more about his lazy list and get more detail on him thought process

##vote Red

is it just me or does sultans way he votes is just really suspicious in the way he words his reasonings the way he does
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Sultan's votes and posts read like someone who's new and not sure what to do

At least that's my impression
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your case was kind of bare bones but you put more into it as you went

han was kind of deflective and whatever about it, made me think of leo posting style from this game
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ScareChan posted...

htaeD posted...

That supposes eaed is the scumblocker then.
Too many links in a fragile chain.

I dont follow this at all, what is it you are referring to?

The idea that Tony was faking his roleblocks all along. Which I am pretty sure noone was serious about anyway.
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Panthera posted...

You said Han didn't need your interactions to prove he was town to himself, essentially. Basically means you're saying he should be calling himself town regardless of what anyone else does. I mean unless you want to argue that you actually did slip and tell him he knows for sure he's town because he is. Not seeing what else it could be if it wasn't just pointing out that Han obviously doesn't need to be persuaded of his own alignment.

No I said I was unaware that my interactions led Han to believe he was town. Unless he is just using my interactions to persuade town that he is town, which looks bad anyway.
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