Board 8 > Whats the opinion on My Hero Macadamia?

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's on my todo list of anime's to watch.
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LapisLazuli posted...

where you act like you're the enlightened one and everyone else is a sheep who doesn't see the truth. It's never a good look.

Looks great on you guys as always though. Next time I'll just make sure to ask you what my opinion is before posting.
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OPM2 is gonna be lit.

It also might be pretty damn slow compared to what fans are expecting.
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I think MHA is almost excellence but it fails to really shake anything up in a very meaningful way yet.
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pjbasis posted...

OPM2 is gonna be lit.

It also might be pretty damn slow compared to what fans are expecting.

Honestly with the long production time, year and a half expected release, followed immediately by a make good trailer that say "no seriously it's only 5 months away" without showing even 1 second of footage or even promotional art, losing it's directly and lead animators and basically everything but the music team....plus JC Staff... I'm a bit worried.

I know the content is great, just have to see how the actual adaptation holds up compared to it's predecessor.

foolm0r0n posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

where you act like you're the enlightened one and everyone else is a sheep who doesn't see the truth. It's never a good look.

Looks great on you guys as always though. Next time I'll just make sure to ask you what my opinion is before posting.

Alright.
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So I watch a lot of anime.

Like, as far as recent shounen goes (say past 5 years) MHA is among the best ones that have aired. I'm using the term shounen as like a style of show (mainly battle, non sports. Or something with like an adventure feel that's feels like shounen... you know what I mean) over like target demographic in this case. But just like how high is that bar?

I went back to like 2013 to see every show that I think fits this criteria that I've finished. Like the criteria is kind of ehh. So some shows that you might put on this list are not going to appear and some that I put on you might not agree with. Keep in mind too that a lot of battle shows are pretty bad and don't get finished by me.

I've Bolded shows I feel are better overall than what MHA has shown so far.

Attack on Titan
Mushibugyou
A Certain Magical Railgun S
Kill la Kill
Magi
JJBA
Mahouka
Black Bullet (Technically a seinen, but it's still a fucking battle show.)
NGNL
Chaika The Coffin Princess
World Trigger
Seven Deadly Sins
Food Wars
Seraph of the End
Arslan Senki
Fate/Stay UBW
Chivalry of a Failed Knight
The Asterisk War
One Punch Man
Antimagic Academy
Assassination Classroom
Taboo Tattoo
Qualidea Code
Mob Psycho 100
The Blue Exorcist
Chain Chronicle (TV)
Killing Bites
UQ Holder
Land of the Lustrous (again, technically seinen, but it's still based on like them fighting giant creatures and such).
Grancrest Senki

So I listed around ~30 shows and 5 of them I'd say are better than MHA (Kill la Kill, Magi, No Game No Life, OPM, Land of the Lustrous). And you can argue that some of those don't really qualify for the list in the first place.

But Like why am I doing this exercise?

MHA is a very well executed show, but it's also very straight forward... generic if you will, even though I dislike using that term. While this makes the show fairly easy to get into it also limits it in ways. Like I don't really see Deku as being that charismatic of a character, honestly I think he's pretty boring. The five shows up there all have great mains for various reasons. Saitama and Sora are just more entertaining, Phos has a better character arc, Aladdin, Alibaba, and Morgiana feel more fleshed out in comparable screen time, and Ryuuko is just more badass.

Like, a lot of side characters (Momo and Todoroki standout to me) have much higher potential to be interesting characters of Deku. I think a huge part of it is that both of them (as well as like the ones I listed before), all have some sort of "quirk" or flaw that they either need to overcome or just kind of have based on personality. Deku just kind of needs to master his power and if he does that... he's good with some experience. He has not been challenged in the same way some of these other character have, and has not had a character revelation to the extent that the two side characters I listed have either.

And because he's not being challenged beyond "getting stronger" the show is kind of in a overcome obstacle mode. Until Deku personally has to go through some sort of character event that could change the course of the show it's probably going to stay a very good/great show but not an all time great.
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TL;DR version

MHA is a great show that is executed extremely well, but that is also partly due to how overly bland a lot of events that have happened in the show in comparison to others and the lack of challenge for the Deku beyond becoming more powerful.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Honestly with the long production time, year and a half expected release, followed immediately by a make good trailer that say "no seriously it's only 5 months away" without showing even 1 second of footage or even promotional art, losing it's directly and lead animators and basically everything but the music team....plus JC Staff... I'm a bit worried.

I feel like that trailer proves they aren't close to finishing the animation yet. But the stills at the end were good.

Someone else made a good point that the manga is essentially a straight up storyboard for the show. So even with a different studio it should still be about the same. If they're given the time and budget at least.
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It's Naruto but with a supporting cast that I like more than I dislike

Gonna get tickets for the movie that's out in 6 weeks
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lol

series is pretty good but also very inconsistent

intro arc: 2/10 at best (awful introduction to the premise, too much focus on bakugo's shallow character)
USJ: 8/10
sports festival first half: 6/10
sports festival second half: 8/10
stain: 5/10
finals: 5/10
season 2 wrap up: 3/10
training camp: 9/10
rescue: 7/10
license first half: 6/10 manga, 3/10 anime (really, really badly adapted)

manga only...
license second half: 6 or 7/10
bakugo vs deku: 8/10
seniors and internships intro: 7/10

overhaul stuff is kinda difficult to break down piece by piece because it's made up of a lot of different parts. some go together well and were executed nicely. others were clunky and hard to follow. the action scenes in the manga suffer from this especially. lots of clunky scenes across all of the arcs mentioned above where it can be annoying to try and figure out what the hell horikoshi is trying to show us.

anyway the notable standout above is probably my low rating of the stain arc which a lot of people love but probably for all of the wrong reasons. I get the feeling people don't understand his character at all, but keep in mind he basically just shows up, vaguely disagrees with another villain without giving too much context for why and how they disagree, and then he gets promptly defeated and never shows up to do anything relevant again.

series definitely "gets better" in the sense that the first arc is completely awful, but I doubt anyone with more than 2 brain cells would dispute that. the series as a whole does follow the general pattern of having a lull of weak or mediocre storylines with brief upswings, but to somehow infer that one story arc being bad means that every story arc for the entire rest of the series has to be bad in the same way is completely moronic.
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mina is best girl, good opinion

good anime

manga is also good
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Oh huh I just woke up to this

Season 1 is the weakest season by far, although still good stuff. Season 2 is when it really started to expand (hence why it starts getting 25 episodes per season as opposed to the 13 that season 1 has).

OPM.....is fine but I like MHA a lot more. To me, MHA is more a character driven drama that just so HAPPENS to be a shonen as well, which really makes it stand out to me because I care very much about 95% of its wide cast. OPM is just like, yea super fun and Saitama is funny and ha look he punches the thing. The way they tackle dealing with a character that can literally one punch anything is definitely great, and there's like 2 or 3 characters that stand out to me. But I'd take MHA any day over it. But that's obviously just me personally, and MHA just hits all the right notes for me more.

Also it's good to point out that they are definitely going for different things, which is good.
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MHA is great and really fun.
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I binge watched season 1 and 2 recently and I really enjoyed it. The pacing can be slow at times if a certain arc isn't that interesting to you. Especially because it has a tendency to have long arcs with the duller storylines and then the more exciting action parts outside the school are tied up in like 2 or 3 episodes before lapsing back to the school stuff. However, it does what it sets out to do well and I do like the continuity not only when it calls back stuff from earlier episodes or seasons but also just during scenes. Like they didn't get lazy with animation and actually stay consistent with battle damage, etc even when the person involved is in the back of the scene / small. So many other shows just ignore that stuff.

My main complaint would be how annoying / one dimensional Bakugo is given how prominently feature he is. Nobody is that shouty and angry 100% of the time for no reason. That and it doesn't feel like Deku is actually ever challenged, he is just sort of going through the motions and even though he develops, it feels like it's too easy. I far prefer All Might to Deku.

It's an enjoyable watch though.

Season 1 of MHA was literally like the first 12 chapters of the manga due to how poorly the studio paced the episodes. They took two episodes to cover the first chapter!

Judging the character development of 12 chapters of a long running shounen series, of course the characters didn't change much. Nothing really happened in season 1
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It's Naruto, before Naruto got bad.

And that's great.

you don't even really have to replace very many words to change the story of

'a kid without ninja powers wants to become the king of all ninjas. he has to work harder than everyone else. oh, also, he actually has a ton of power and his only """""weakness"""" is that he can't control his power because he has too much'

to

'a kid without super powers wants to become the #1 superhero. he has to work harder than everyone else. oh, also, he actually has a ton of power and his only """""weakness"""" is that he can't control his power because he has too much'
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MHA is pretty great. It's not revolutionary by any means, but not everything has to be (or could be).
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BHA feels more like a modern anime than Naruto though. It has better developed side characters, more realistic females, and humor doesn't rely on pervert jokes as often (except for Mineta).

It's not revolutionary but it's just a top tier shounen of this decade.

And yeah pink girl the besto.

Menji posted...

It's good but not my favorite. Definitely has some awesome moments.

I think what really hurts it for me is no one dies, ever.

Wait for it.

foolm0r0n posted...

I love OPM and couldn't get into this show at all. It's so dated and basic. I feel like it's even more basic than Naruto. Every character is super archetypal and shallow yet the show feels the need to slowly walk you through all the same old story beats, like you're some sort of idiot. Like yeah we get the whole main guy/childhood rival/girl dynamic, get on with it. After 5 episodes they were STILL focusing on the same boring core characters, instead of the 30+ potentially cool other characters.

All that is okay I guess. It doesn't compare to OPM in the slightest, which is more of a drama and cares about good writing, but there's nothing wrong with some basic shonen.

But the show promises so much and provides absolutely no substance at all. None of the characters changed at all since episode 1. I skipped to the end of S1 and still no one changed. They pretend they have this thematic subversion because the main guy hurts himself when he uses power... but literally all the conflicts from episode 1 through the finale are solved by brute force. The show thinks it's cool and mature for merely asking deep questions, even though it completely avoids answering.

You might like it for the animation and the basic formula and mayyyybe some characters, but there's nothing thematically or emotionally interesting in it.

OPM is a parody. It should be seen as that. It's not playing old tropes, it's making fun of them.

MariaTaylor posted...

lol

series is pretty good but also very inconsistent

intro arc: 2/10 at best (awful introduction to the premise, too much focus on bakugo's shallow character)
USJ: 8/10
sports festival first half: 6/10
sports festival second half: 8/10
stain: 5/10
finals: 5/10
season 2 wrap up: 3/10
training camp: 9/10
rescue: 7/10
license first half: 6/10 manga, 3/10 anime (really, really badly adapted)

manga only...
license second half: 6 or 7/10
bakugo vs deku: 8/10
seniors and internships intro: 7/10

overhaul stuff is kinda difficult to break down piece by piece because it's made up of a lot of different parts. some go together well and were executed nicely. others were clunky and hard to follow. the action scenes in the manga suffer from this especially. lots of clunky scenes across all of the arcs mentioned above where it can be annoying to try and figure out what the hell horikoshi is trying to show us.

anyway the notable standout above is probably my low rating of the stain arc which a lot of people love but probably for all of the wrong reasons. I get the feeling people don't understand his character at all, but keep in mind he basically just shows up, vaguely disagrees with another villain without giving too much context for why and how they disagree, and then he gets promptly defeated and never shows up to do anything relevant again.

series definitely "gets better" in the sense that the first arc is completely awful, but I doubt anyone with more than 2 brain cells would dispute that. the series as a whole does follow the general pattern of having a lull of weak or mediocre storylines with brief upswings, but to somehow infer that one story arc being bad means that every story arc for the entire rest of the series has to be bad in the same way is completely moronic.

I think the whole point of Stain is not what he does in his arc, but what his actions do to the world.

It's the first major crack in super-hero society. It questions the legitimacy of super-heroes. And it empowers villains.

I feel like the show is building to some huge destruction moment, where the protagonists will have to take over and save the world, and so far all the arcs have been a chain of events leading to that. Stain is like the first event.

Right, the point of Stain isn't in his fighting prowess. It is his beliefs and that he is actually correct in what he says even if he takes it to the extreme. I wish they actually pushed more on people agreeing with Stain because he speaks the truth rather than 'Oh Stain is so cool' which is the direction they seem to push it. They needed to have people come out and agree with Stain's beliefs rather than just him gather a following and popularity through normal people fanboying him.

Maybe that happens in season 3 which I haven't seen yet

Also the one thing MHA should have done but doesn't is fucking kill someone. Like it teases it so often and it would have had massive impact but then it pussies out at the last second and everyone is ok. Thirteen should have died at the USJ and it made it look like she did but nope. Aizawa looked like he was gonna die but nope, he was fine. Looked like Froppy would get it too but nope. Same in the Stain fight, they couldn't even kill off his brother. They tease it too much without ever following through and it frustrates the hell out if me

ShatteredElysium posted...

Also the one thing MHA should have done but doesn't is fucking kill someone. Like it teases it so often and it would have had massive impact but then it pussies out at the last second and everyone is ok. Thirteen should have died at the USJ and it made it look like she did but nope. Aizawa looked like he was gonna die but nope, he was fine. Looked like Froppy would get it too but nope. Same in the Stain fight, they couldn't even kill off his brother. They tease it too much without ever following through and it frustrates the hell out if me

The sunglasses villain dude died. Also that one hero that stitches smoke kid killed (I'm so bad with names).
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Be patient, my children.

LapisLazuli posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Also the one thing MHA should have done but doesn't is fucking kill someone. Like it teases it so often and it would have had massive impact but then it pussies out at the last second and everyone is ok. Thirteen should have died at the USJ and it made it look like she did but nope. Aizawa looked like he was gonna die but nope, he was fine. Looked like Froppy would get it too but nope. Same in the Stain fight, they couldn't even kill off his brother. They tease it too much without ever following through and it frustrates the hell out if me

The sunglasses villain dude died. Also that one hero that stitches smoke kid killed (I'm so bad with names).

That's S3 stuff. Those guys are anime-only.

And isn't even the biggest death of S3 lol.

Tbh I think death is overrated. I like how this show scars and traumatizes characters without necessarily removing them from the story. I actually wish Nighteye hadn't died.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

That's S3 stuff. Those guys are anime-only.

What? No it isn't.
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The way the manga is gearing up right now there will be a few in the future I think
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MHA is pretty great. Havent read the manga and only seen the first two seasons though. I wish some of the supporting characters got more screen time like Jirou and Mina, but otherwise its been handling things pretty well even if the pacing was slow in S1. Bakugo is pretty dumb and I wish he wasnt a main character since there are lots of others Id rather see getting screen time instead.

Also the Deku/Naruto comparison is kinda funny because it only works before Kishimoto takes a dump on all his themes

swordz9 posted...

MHA is pretty great. Havent read the manga and only seen the first two seasons though. I wish some of the supporting characters got more screen time like Jirou and Mina, but otherwise its been handling things pretty well even if the pacing was slow in S1. Bakugo is pretty dumb and I wish he wasnt a main character since there are lots of others Id rather see getting screen time instead.

I was amazed that Bakugo consistently tops popularity polls in both Japan and the US. Like the fuck, he's one of the worst characters because he has no normal mode. Only irrational and shouty and angry for no reason at all. And we have seen his backstory and it doesn't remotely justify it

Oh I actually think Bakugo is one of the most interesting and well developed characters in the series. But that's more of a big picture thing including the manga, although the anime is starting to get up to more of his development now
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Im not surprised hes popular because hes THE hot blooded main of the series

LapisLazuli posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

That's S3 stuff. Those guys are anime-only.

What? No it isn't. That stuff hasn't even happened yet.

Sorry, S4 stuff. I'm counting wrong.

I like Baku, there are a few scenes where he calms down and shows what he is feeling like that are pretty good (such as one that will probably come at the end of S3). The point isn't that he has a reason to be like that, he just is. And it's funny how the villains tried to Sasuke him but failed because he is a hero despite being a hot-blood.

KommunistKoala posted...

Season 1 of MHA was literally like the first 12 chapters of the manga due to how poorly the studio paced the episodes. They took two episodes to cover the first chapter!

Judging the character development of 12 chapters of a long running shounen series, of course the characters didn't change much. Nothing really happened in season 1

this explains why I couldn't make it past the 5th episode of s1
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I used to hate Bakugo, now I think he's kinda funny

still think he's a very simple character and I'm not particularly thrilled when they waste time exploring his characterization or trying to develop him. he's really at his best when he's either doing dumb/funny shit or in a battle when he usually does something cool.
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The way My Hero is written scene to scene is a lot better than most typical shonens imo.

Sets it apart even when the story isn't doing anything special.
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MHA doesn't ask "Interesting questions" or really do anything crazy, it's just a well written show about superheroes doing super hero things. It doesn't invert any expectations. They are just superheroes. They fight villains and learn how to be better heroes. It has a lot of great hype moments, but it just comes down to if you want to see superheroes be awesome. I do, so it's awesome. If you are looking for something to set it apart, it's not going to do that. It's just a fairly well executed shounen.

I think some people believe that some of the villains really break the mold and ask profound questions, like Stain, All for One, Shigaraki or Chisaki, but I don't really think so. The world they've built isn't actually that interesting, so challenging the concepts the world is built on aren't that interesting either. They are just cool villains. (well, except Shigaraki. I think he sucks).

I think it's really funny people compare it to One Punch Man in that regard, like it operates on a deeper level. The best thing about One Punch Man is that it's somehow convinced people like foolmo that it actually has good character development or is saying anything profound. They have taken the joke so deep that people are actually forgetting the joke.
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OPM never gonna compare to Mob Psycho.
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MariaTaylor posted...

but to somehow infer that one story arc being bad means that every story arc for the entire rest of the series has to be bad in the same way is completely moronic

What if the "somehow" is that everyone raves for months about how brilliant it is and literally not 1 person has ever admitted that S1 is weak, let alone sucks ass, until your post.

I am not exaggerating when I say you are the only person I have seen who thinks S1 sucks but likes the rest (and in general admits a wide range of quality across arcs).
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I mean I literally told you in discord while you were watching that season 1 was the weakest even if I still like it
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We have had several posts talking about S1 being kind of weak. Several. Including me. You see what you want to see.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

OPM is a parody. It should be seen as that. It's not playing old tropes, it's making fun of them.

Wow that makes a lot of sense, thanks man
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foolm0r0n posted...

What if the "somehow" is that everyone raves for months about how brilliant it is and literally not 1 person has ever admitted that S1 is weak

I mean nobody is praising S1 and almost everybody said "It gets better," implying they hold S1 in lower regard

That's ignoring that LTM and I both said it was basic/weak/generic/whatever, and Brohan agreed the character development doesn't really start until later
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Weak is not bad. How many of you agree that it's a 2/10?

When I criticize S1 and everyone comes out of the woodwork to defend it, that's not admitting it's bad.
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Foolmo why are you so mad about people liking something
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foolm0r0n posted...

Weak is not bad. How many of you agree that it's a 2/10?

When I criticize S1 and everyone comes out of the woodwork to defend it, that's not admitting it's bad.

Why are you back-pedaling. You said nobody called it weak, not nobody called it bad.

I personally don't think S1 is bad. It's basic/weak, yes, but I still enjoyed it enough to continue the series.

I also didn't defend S1. I defended the show for not developing like 20 characters in the span of what covers 12 chapters of material. There's a difference.
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