Board 8 > Chris' Music Mafia Topic 12: Bohemian Rhapsody

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benjamin3740 posted...

ScareChan posted...

so I have not read most of last topic

but we have a lot of roles that give information on players and I think that scum may have something to counteract that

like they may have something like informed of like a role that isnt in the game or something

if Tony lives til end game I think he may be scum

You missed a lot in the last topic man. Tony was already scanned scum

I finished last topic and didnt see this

did you just post this to trick me into reading :(
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Sorry guys im still around. Ive been reading along but im not sure i have the mental acumen to understand the Mzero scenarios.

If we feel that today is the correct day to test him im on board, but im worried it won't tell us as much as the theory crafting indicates.

For example (and i don't think this has been brought up) what happens if red didn't count towards mzero's ability? He was "unscanneable" so what if mzero's ability functions like a scan? This could result in a scenario where 0 people are removed. Or a scenario where 1 person is removed but it is from Ben or Han, and not Red. This would be a false positive and we could potentially have incomplete information and no way to know it.

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But that's just my take on the situation. I recognize that i haven't been as involved as i should be and so ill support the decision of the group at large. I am also taking steps to remedy my availability.

damn it fd why do you have to say my thoughts hours before I do
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Again Tony gets all petty with me but in this mood it just amuses me.

Carry on~

No ones being petty Crescent, youre just doing that thing where you think youre more relevant than you are

(Not petty, or an insult, its just a thing you do)

Anyway, wait...wasnt it Puns who said after Sheep claimed, that with how much power we had, anyone who claims anything but vanilla gets lynched instantly?

Or was it htaed?

Because im paranoid af about Puns now.
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Though he is right on something. My demeanor is highly malleable and the very way I project myself can be changed at the drop of a hat by a strong enough influence.

By staying mostly in kitten mode I drastically increased my "safe" range of mental states, which made it much less likely I'd go totally out of control or completely disconnect from the game.

This experiment has been a resounding success.

I feel like the two people most questioning of Puns are Scare and Tony
I want to hear from Han and Zach.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Anyway, wait...wasnt it Puns who said after Sheep claimed, that with how much power we had, anyone who claims anything but vanilla gets lynched instantly?

Couldn't that basically be interpreted as softclaiming power?
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turbopuns2 posted...

I was debating doing this today or going for a triumphant finisher tonight, but now Scare has forced my hand with the comment about Tony...and I can no longer risk going down with what I know.

This is probably a good time to say that I'm Town Tracker. Oh yeah that's right, I bluffed my actual role with a fake result to kill Leo. It was awesome. FD is my bro 4 lyfe.

And, I'm a special kind of Tracker. I can track TWO people each night, if I wish. However, if I choose to track two people, I can't select them directly. The two targets are randomized by Chris. Or, I can just do the one regular track and choose it myself.

Night 1, since we had minimal information and everybody was a "fine" target, I used the 2 random tracks.

Night 1
Sultan visited Panth.
EDumey went nowhere.

That's the only really immediately useful thing I have, unfortunately.

Night 2 - Han went nowhere.
Night 3 - Death went nowhere.
Night 4 - Crescent went nowhere.

When Sheep came out with the guilty on Dumey...I assumed he was going to flip ninja or some other scum role. So I just stayed quiet. Needless to say, I was very surprised to see he was actually just a plain old roleblocker.

Note that the entire reason I asked people for "ordered trust lists" (carefully chosen phrasing) was so that I could come up with a reason to make this post, without it being an obvious claim at the time:

turbopuns2 posted...

Well since we're moving on to the next day

as promised here is my ordered trust list, minus the obvious ones

1) sultan
2) han
3) death
4)

Indicating without outright claiming, that Sultan did actually visit Panth as claimed night 1, and I saw Han go nowhere on night 2 and Death go nowhere on night 3, and they both claimed vanilla. Just in case I died.

This is why I have thrown out theories of scum having multiple blocks.

This is why I bent over backwards coming up with ways for Sheep to be scum.

This is why Han thought I was "fanboying" him day 3.

And other things.

Okay thinking, maybe scum dont have knowledge of what role isnt in the game, but have a list of roles that are in the game., There was a game chris was in before that had that . So if they have a ninja that would be why they sent red when they did because the ninja still have value against the tracker, and tony being scum
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means that they would just shoot sheep anyways
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Sheep007 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Anyway, wait...wasnt it Puns who said after Sheep claimed, that with how much power we had, anyone who claims anything but vanilla gets lynched instantly?

Couldn't that basically be interpreted as softclaiming power?

If worded right, yeah.

But also it could have been scum seeing Town power stack up and realizing he might need to nip a heavy Town in the bud by making people question claims? It worked on me tbh, Ive been suspicious of Sheep from the jump and I still cant shake it.

I need to actually get my laptop out and find the post, if it wasnt even him then this is pointless.
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ScareChan posted...

Okay thinking, maybe scum dont have knowledge of what role isnt in the game, but have a list of roles that are in the game., There was a game chris was in before that had that . So if they have a ninja that would be why they sent red when they did because the ninja still have value against the tracker, and tony being scum

You have it backwards, a ninja counters me.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

It's funny that Scare is both the person to suggest both watcher claims were scum and that scum might've had some way to know the game didn't have one.

That would be super amusing if Scare just told us the truth.

I just want you to know your death tunnels are making this actively not fun to play. I have no problem playing with suspicion on me but I could say its 12:30 and you would say NO ITS 12:29 and call me scum

I dont remember you being this way crescent
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im goin balls deep bro

##Unvote
##Vote: Tony

you have played a great game tony

but time to go night night
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ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

It's funny that Scare is both the person to suggest both watcher claims were scum and that scum might've had some way to know the game didn't have one.

That would be super amusing if Scare just told us the truth.

I just want you to know your death tunnels are making this actively not fun to play. I have no problem playing with suspicion on me but I could say its 12:30 and you would say NO ITS 12:29 and call me scum

I dont remember you being this way crescent

I haven't tunneled you anywhere near as hard as you keep whining.

I once tunneled you with every post I ever made in a game to the point that you quit.

My focus has been almost entirely off of you the past 12 hours at least.

I feel like puns is full of shit but I dont know how to express why

smh Scare dont play me like this.
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I......what?
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Also with everyone in the game calling you scum, constantly focusing on only me when I'm barely regarding you any more is pretty silly.

If I were "death tunneling" you, I'd have shut down the bomb talk, not embraced it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

It's funny that Scare is both the person to suggest both watcher claims were scum and that scum might've had some way to know the game didn't have one.

That would be super amusing if Scare just told us the truth.

I just want you to know your death tunnels are making this actively not fun to play. I have no problem playing with suspicion on me but I could say its 12:30 and you would say NO ITS 12:29 and call me scum

I dont remember you being this way crescent

I haven't tunneled you anywhere near as hard as you keep whining.

I once tunneled you with every post I ever made in a game to the point that you quit.

My focus has been almost entirely off of you the past 12 hours at least.

I've never quit a game over anyone. You have a very odd perspective
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Ok so what are votals and who are we lynching?

because end of day is coming up and id like this game to keep moving to prove myself right sooner.
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ColZach posted...

I feel like puns is full of shit but I dont know how to express why

Why does scum Puns, who definitely has the potential to live until endgame, do this?

That's the question that matters.

Fudge the bomb stuff

Today is scare vs Tony

The lines in the sand are drawn
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ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

It's funny that Scare is both the person to suggest both watcher claims were scum and that scum might've had some way to know the game didn't have one.

That would be super amusing if Scare just told us the truth.

I just want you to know your death tunnels are making this actively not fun to play. I have no problem playing with suspicion on me but I could say its 12:30 and you would say NO ITS 12:29 and call me scum

I dont remember you being this way crescent

I haven't tunneled you anywhere near as hard as you keep whining.

I once tunneled you with every post I ever made in a game to the point that you quit.

My focus has been almost entirely off of you the past 12 hours at least.

I've never quit a game over anyone. You have a very odd perspective

Then your memory is faulty, sorry~

Crescent-Moon posted...

ColZach posted...

I feel like puns is full of shit but I dont know how to express why

Why does scum Puns, who definitely has the potential to live until endgame, do this?

That's the question that matters.

Well if Sheep is Town and flips straight-up Cop, he confirms 3 people, so Puns wouldnt necessarily outlive them.
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Sheep flipping cop confirms absolutely no one.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Sheep flipping cop confirms absolutely no one.

I dont know if youve noticed, but this game has been extremely willing to follow the scans, and im the only/loudest person really beating the Puns was confirmed Town drum (in hindsight, the same shit I did to Scum Sultan last game so fuck me)

...so I disagree.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Sheep flipping cop confirms absolutely no one.

Unless scare flips godfather
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If we lynch Scare and he's scum that effectively confirms me as cop, and my scans by proxy. Quite frankly I think the Puns/Tony situation sorts itself out tomorrow and we should just make sure we nab the other scum today instead.
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Especially since all of you being town would essentially necessitate some sort of super scum role we have yet to see.

DoubleTangicide posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Sheep flipping cop confirms absolutely no one.

Unless scare flips godfather

Why does godfather Scare give up to a scum scan?

Sheep007 posted...

If we lynch Scare and he's scum that effectively confirms me as cop, and my scans by proxy. Quite frankly I think the Puns/Tony situation sorts itself out tomorrow and we should just make sure we nab the other scum today instead.

The thing I have with Puns being scum is I feel his motives don't... track, with the current state of the game.

Puns made himself an autolynch if Tony is town. Why?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Especially since all of you being town would essentially necessitate some sort of super scum role we have yet to see.

I would be thoroughly unsurprised if Tony was some kinda super scum role. It would definitely point towards that if he is scum, considering he absolutely floored the pedal on the bus against goon 'Zam.
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##Vote: Scare

If I was super scum, the absolute last thing Id want to do is blow my load Day 1 and spend the entire game with my actions under scrutiny.

All I can hope for is that the last scum isnt someone whos annoyed me this game and everyone else is convinced their Town. Id prefer this to be simple.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Sheep flipping cop confirms absolutely no one.

Unless scare flips godfather

Why does godfather Scare give up to a scum scan?

it would confirm the inno scans....no way chris puts in 2 godfathers
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turbopuns2 posted...

##Vote: Scare

puns pls
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Can we get votals please?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If I was super scum, the absolute last thing Id want to do is blow my load Day 1 and spend the entire game with my actions under scrutiny.

All I can hope for is that the last scum isnt someone whos annoyed me this game and everyone else is convinced their Town. Id prefer this to be simple.

yeah but

Han was already suspecting you

you didnt claim until I asked if you were claiming

no one blocked you

?
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Sheep007 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Especially since all of you being town would essentially necessitate some sort of super scum role we have yet to see.

I would be thoroughly unsurprised if Tony was some kinda super scum role. It would definitely point towards that if he is scum, considering he absolutely floored the pedal on the bus against goon 'Zam.

Still risky unless they for some reason knew we didn't have a watcher, but possible.

DoubleTangicide posted...

it would confirm the inno scans....no way chris puts in 2 godfathers

I mean, I would doubt that two godfathers can be ruled out

But also an unscanabble flipped and a Janitor must exist by necessity so
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also
*slaps Ben*

you got me to play

and I have given you scum

help me lynch him
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Sheep flipping cop confirms absolutely no one.

Unless scare flips godfather

Why does godfather Scare give up to a scum scan?

it would confirm the inno scans....no way chris puts in 2 godfathers

We just had a two godfather game and unscannable =/= godfather.

Didn't you post that very thing earlier?

There is no way Puns is scum doing this gambit. Now he could be bluffing just to put heat on Tony. This line of his claim even sounded immediately fake to me.

turbopuns2 posted...

Oh yeah that's right, I bluffed my actual role with a fake result to kill Leo. It was awesome. FD is my bro 4 lyfe.

But I'd rather just believe Scare and Tony are the last two scum. Everyone else is giving me town reads from today's events. That includes Zach from the little he had to say.

If Puns is telling the truth, he 100% caught Tony in a lie. But since we don't know that yet FOR SURE, let's lynch Scare today.
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Sheep007 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

it would confirm the inno scans....no way chris puts in 2 godfathers

I mean, I would doubt that two godfathers can be ruled out

But also an unscanabble flipped and a Janitor must exist by necessity so

Sheep007 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

it would confirm the inno scans....no way chris puts in 2 godfathers

I mean, I would doubt that two godfathers can be ruled out

But also an unscanabble flipped and a Janitor must exist by necessity so

Sheep007 posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

it would confirm the inno scans....no way chris puts in 2 godfathers

I mean, I would doubt that two godfathers can be ruled out

But also an unscanabble flipped and a Janitor must exist by necessity so

I was godfather detective in that recent two godfather game. Not sure if other powers are important to being one.

If Scare flips anything other than Jack/Janitor/second RB (obviously still assuming he flips scum which is highly likely at this point) one of Tony or Puns has to be lying and almost certainly therefore scum.

No way that scum have a jack who can use two of their abilities in one night.
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For reference, we had both a godfather and a godfather detective.

ScareChan posted...

also
*slaps Ben*

you got me to play

and I have given you scum

help me lynch him

*slapped*

Ow. Well Puns gave us scum, and it's all on him if it's true or not.
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yeah but its my thoughts that made him claim!
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ScareChan posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If I was super scum, the absolute last thing Id want to do is blow my load Day 1 and spend the entire game with my actions under scrutiny.

All I can hope for is that the last scum isnt someone whos annoyed me this game and everyone else is convinced their Town. Id prefer this to be simple.

yeah but

Han was already suspecting you

you didnt claim until I asked if you were claiming

no one blocked you

?

Han was on some irrelevant bs that I dont even remember tbh

And? I wouldnt hint at a counterclaim and then actually claim it.

Wrong.

##vote: Scare

Im sorry your team didnt even show up, Scare, but you had me thoroughly convinced so gg wp
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I expect many appologies after I am dead
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ScareChan posted...

yeah but its my thoughts that made him claim!

Hey that's funny. I always thought it was weird that you recognized Tony's vote as a counter claim so fast. And that you told him to be please be clearer. Almost like you were THERE COACHING HIM ALL ALONG OH THE HUMANITY

I would kill Tony, but then you'd have to show me a second scum for after Tony dies. I'd also need Puns to confirm he's not bluffing.
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