Board 8 > Han FINALLY watches Infinity War, with live updates!

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I think a good way to incorporate the F4/x-many would be just as side characters that help out the title heroes for a few movies as they become familiar with the mcu audience, and then when the time feels right give them, their own starring movie.
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I want Thor to be a member of the Guardians now.
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Meanwhile Tony and Nebula are currently stuck on that rock out in space (since everyone else died), which sounds like comedy waiting to happen
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DeathChicken posted...

Meanwhile Tony and Nebula are currently stuck on that rock out in space (since everyone else died), which sounds like comedy waiting to happen

And IIRC the Guardians' new ship, The Benatar, is still in one piece so I'm looking forward to Tony and Nebula's really depressing voyage back to Earth.

Unless they just time skip.
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i think the first scene we'll get of tony is as he arrives back on earth, defeated
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People have made the suggestion that the FF should be time-displaced in a way. Like they took off in the 60s and are just now returning all changed and superpowered.

But that feels too much like a retread of Captain America to me.
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This was amazing to read Han.

And now you're just one movie behind.
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woooo thanos quest
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woo
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Just wanna say I'm amazed you avoided spoilers for so long, and that I enjoyed reading this.
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Infinity War wrap up + ranking!
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GenesisSaga posted...

Just wanna say I'm amazed you avoided spoilers for so long, and that I enjoyed reading this.

Same, I just read this and can't believe you missed the big spoiler for 4 months.

Like... it was everywhere that first week. Disintegration meme? I guess you said you heard the "I don't feel so good" part but still... damn impressive

I also echo what someone earlier said, being able to hear a pin drop when the credits rolled was something I'd never experienced before. So good.

bryans7 posted...

People have made the suggestion that the FF should be time-displaced in a way. Like they took off in the 60s and are just now returning all changed and superpowered.

But that feels too much like a retread of Captain America to me.

I'd be fine with that if it was done well. FF needs a weird or sort of bizarre plot in order to make it work. just trying to give them generic superhero plots where a big bad guy makes a doomsday device is really stupid.

I'd like to see one good fantastic four movie made at some point in my lifetime but welp
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I muted the word "Marvel" and the name of every superhero in the movie on all social media platforms because I was watching the movie 5 days after it's initial release.

Even then, I still seen a bunch of disintegration memes, albeit without context. Somehow, none of the memes I seen actually featured characters from the movie. All I knew was that it was a thing that existed, and that it had to have come from something new and big that came out that week. I figured it was from the movie, but had no idea when or where.

Not sure how you managed to stay mostly spoiler free for this long!
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I knew about the disintegration meme. I had it pretty figured out that Thanos had killed people that way. I just didn't know it was going to be because he succeeded in his quest, and I had no idea it was going to be everybody who I wouldn't have expected to die.
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For me the fact that it was spidey and panther and all the ones they really can't kill off kind of ruined the moment for me.

As more people disintegrated I just couldn't help but think "well, there's no way they aren't reversing this next movie." I couldn't get myself to believe they were dead. Like the spidey thing was emotional for the characters but had no lingering impact on me.

Which makes every time I see an article about finding evidence they aren't staying dead baffling. Like of course they aren't staying dead, Spidey has a sequel in preproduction and no way we aren't getting more Panther.
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I expect the reversal to happen as well, but not without losing Cap and Tony in the process.

Loki seemed to be the only real casualty in the film. Even Gamora showed up in the Soul World.

And hell, it's Loki. I wouldn't be surprised if he lived, somehow.
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Poor Heimdall.
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mnkboy907 posted...

Poor Heimdall.

When all is said and done I expect Heimdall to be the only lasting casulty of this.

Because fuck asgard, apparently
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Heimdall was like, the only good part of the first 2 Thors
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Gotta keep this alive
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Do you have to buy PlexPass to share your plex?
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Grand Kirby posted...

Wedge Antilles posted...

I really wish I had gotten to see this movie day 1. I'm curious how Spidey's death affected kids seeing it.

You know how at the end of movies like these people break into applause when the credits start rolling?

With this it was dead silence. You could hear a pin drop. And it wasn't because they didn't like it or anything, it was just from sheer stunned horror.

We got "BOOOOO" when the whole 'Thanos will return' message went up. It was kinda great.
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I've gotta say that after all these years of post-credits scenes, I'm amazed at how many people still leave the theater right away when the movies are done.
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mnkboy907 posted...

I've gotta say that after all these years of post-credits scenes, I'm amazed at how many people still leave the theater right away when the movies are done.

I still loved the one at the end of Spider-Man, that was Cap trolling people for waiting around for the post credits scene.
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Movie stingers are very rarely worth it
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Maniac64 posted...

For me the fact that it was spidey and panther and all the ones they really can't kill off kind of ruined the moment for me.

As more people disintegrated I just couldn't help but think "well, there's no way they aren't reversing this next movie." I couldn't get myself to believe they were dead. Like the spidey thing was emotional for the characters but had no lingering impact on me.

Which makes every time I see an article about finding evidence they aren't staying dead baffling. Like of course they aren't staying dead, Spidey has a sequel in preproduction and no way we aren't getting more Panther.

I expected it to happen because Id read the Infinity Guantlet comic... everybody p.much dies and gets brought back.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

Maniac64 posted...

For me the fact that it was spidey and panther and all the ones they really can't kill off kind of ruined the moment for me.

As more people disintegrated I just couldn't help but think "well, there's no way they aren't reversing this next movie." I couldn't get myself to believe they were dead. Like the spidey thing was emotional for the characters but had no lingering impact on me.

Which makes every time I see an article about finding evidence they aren't staying dead baffling. Like of course they aren't staying dead, Spidey has a sequel in preproduction and no way we aren't getting more Panther.

I expected it to happen because Id read the Infinity Guantlet comic... everybody p.much dies and gets brought back.

Pretty much. This story was done years and years ago.
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woodman posted...

Movie stingers are very rarely worth it

Better than fighting the crowds.
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Waluigi1 posted...

woodman posted...

Movie stingers are very rarely worth it

Better than fighting the crowds.

At this point crowds usually stay for them
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woodman posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

woodman posted...

Movie stingers are very rarely worth it

Better than fighting the crowds.

At this point crowds usually stay for them

Not really. It's crazy how many people leave, knowing there's guaranteed after and mid credit scenes.
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bop
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I finally saw Infinity War last night. I somehow managed to not avoid any spoilers up until then. The movie was pretty good overall, but I found the ending to be rather stupid. I guess they wanted a big cliffhanger to keep people invested over the next year, but do people seriously think that everyone is dead? Come on. They already announced multiple movies featuring characters that wer supposedly vaporized. I just wound up irritated that the MCU pretended to kill half of their big money making characters.

I suppose the last Avengers movie will be about how the rest of the Avengers figure out how to reverse everything.
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I'm glad so many people are getting to experience how death works in comic books now.
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Do yall just hate cliffhangers in general? "Man cliffhangers are the dumbest thing, we just KNOW the heroes are going to figure a way out of this predicament!"
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bryans7 posted...

I'm glad so many people are getting to experience how death works in comic books now.

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redrocket posted...

Do yall just hate cliffhangers in general?

yes
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I've said it before, but even if we know the deaths aren't going to stick that doesn't mean it can't be dramatic. Just experiencing it from the perspective of the characters is enough. It's not like any death in the movie is real, so if you're unable to sympathize with the emotions and events that characters are feeling in the movie, even if using out of universe logic to deduce that none of it matters, then how are you able to enjoy any piece of fiction? Nothing ever matters.

I mean, with the same logic you can say that any scene in a superhero movie where it looks like the characters might lose and the villain wins would irritate you because you know that never happens, especially since the announcement of a sequel would guarantee their victory. Which in the end makes this movie's ending so impactful because they actually lost. If you can't appreciate the drama of that because you know they'll win and fix things eventually, then do you just not enjoy pretty much every action movie where you know they'll win eventually?
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Grand Kirby posted...

I've said it before, but even if we know the deaths aren't going to stick that doesn't mean it can't be dramatic. Just experiencing it from the perspective of the characters is enough. It's not like any death in the movie is real, so if you're unable to sympathize with the emotions and events that characters are feeling in the movie, even if using out of universe logic to deduce that none of it matters, then how are you able to enjoy any piece of fiction? Nothing ever matters.

Exactly, this is how I feel.

However, I think people want character deaths to upset them like when they were kids (think Bambi or w/e) and that meta-knowledge takes them out of it.

But on the whole I'm with you on this - the interest to me is in seeing how the other characters react
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have you guys never heard of suspension of disbelief? some works of art are capable of making you suspend that disbelief. then, there can be moments where the suspension of disbelief is broken. saying something like 'if you don't enjoy this one premise that's hard to accept then do you just not like any movies???' completely over simplifies the craft of story telling to its most basic elements, removes all context, and refuses to give credit to the masterful writers, actors, and directors who have the ability to force us to suspend our disbelief... all while apologizing for the talentless hacks who produce works of "art" that are impossible to buy into.
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But this isn't about one individual piece of art. The complaints are coming from the outside knowledge of the MCU's future, which presents a far greater challenge to create suspension of belief than if this movie was self-contained. Especially if you go big like this.

Not being alive at the time I wonder if the reaction to the end of Empire Strikes Back was "Han is dead!" or "How will they rescue Han?" Infinity War is the closest thing we have to that. I watched ESB when I was like 8 and I'm pretty sure I knew Han would get rescued.
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XIII_rocks posted...

But this isn't about one individual piece of art.

yeah he presented a fundamentally stupid and flawed argument to try and defend one specific art. I explained how that argument does a huge disservice to the idea of writing and media as a whole. if avengers: infinity war is so good then surely someone can post a defense for it that doesn't rely on a dismissive argument that assumes all points of views are reduced to base, ridiculous concepts (re: if you couldn't suspend your disbelief for this one element of this one movie, how could you suspend your disbelief for any movie?!)
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This has nothing to do with suspension of belief. The idea that you need to "believe the characters are actually dead" to enjoy a plot point in which a character has died is absolutely moronic. You don't need to believe its real to appreciate the emotion of the scene. I'm just saying that if you truly feel that the only way to be moved by a death scene in a movie is to believe that it's permanent then I can't imagine how you could enjoy any piece of fiction with such a narrow-minded mindset.
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Did you only read the first line of that post before replying?
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I think the issue is that infinity war had a very real chance of killing characters off for good. Like that was a major topic of conversation going in and I fully expect some of the original Avengers to be fully killed off next movie. So that movie started with a real worry of who might die (see the reaction to the iron man death scare earlier in the movie) then the big death moment quickly showed it was not going after the people you were worried about but instead was all the characters you knew couldn't die.

So the initial worry quickly dies and that makes the moment more underwhelming. It's still a powerful ending with major implications for the survivors. Just less emotional for many audience members than they were expecting.
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Grand Kirby posted...

This has nothing to do with suspension of belief. The idea that you need to "believe the characters are actually dead" to enjoy a plot point in which a character has died is absolutely moronic. You don't need to believe its real to appreciate the emotion of the scene. I'm just saying that if you truly feel that the only way to be moved by a death scene in a movie is to believe that it's permanent then I can't imagine how you could enjoy any piece of fiction with such a narrow-minded mindset.

what if the difference is that in movie x, y, z, a, b, and q the writers did a good enough job of making him believe that it was real, also known as suspending his disbelief, but in avengers; infinity war the writers did not do a good enough job to make him suspend his disbelief?

it's almost as if your argument instantly falls apart under a microscope and your mindset is actually the one that is very narrow because it doesn't account for anyone having even slightly different opinions than you.

XIII_rocks posted...

Did you only read the first line of that post before replying?

no
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MariaTaylor posted...

Grand Kirby posted...

This has nothing to do with suspension of belief. The idea that you need to "believe the characters are actually dead" to enjoy a plot point in which a character has died is absolutely moronic. You don't need to believe its real to appreciate the emotion of the scene. I'm just saying that if you truly feel that the only way to be moved by a death scene in a movie is to believe that it's permanent then I can't imagine how you could enjoy any piece of fiction with such a narrow-minded mindset.

what if the difference is that in movie x, y, z, a, b, and q the writers did a good enough job of making him believe that it was real, also known as suspending his disbelief, but in avengers; infinity war the writers did not do a good enough job to make him suspend his disbelief?

it's almost as if your argument instantly falls apart under a microscope and your mindset is actually the one that is very narrow because it doesn't account for anyone having even slightly different opinions than you.

XIII_rocks posted...

Did you only read the first line of that post before replying?

no

So are you then arguing that Infinity War was poorly written and acted?
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I enjoyed Infinity War a lot, but I don't think it's a particularly good movie and I don't think it will age particularly well either. I can't imagine a single death in the movie is going to stick, and considering this was announced as this "ground-breaking" film, I really can't see it achieving that. The core theme of this movie is "omg people die", but they're not gonna sack Tom Holland already and bring in a new Spider-Man.
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Outside knowledge can dramatically reduce the impact of The Snap. I think it was well done as far as Infinity War goes but in the landscape of entertainment today and comic book movies, there's not as much impact. And the whole movie was building up to it, so, the finale for IW can fall a bit flat for some. It did for me. I will say, I watched it again and thought it was really awesome. They really need to stick the landing next year, though.
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honestly idgaf if it's considered a bad argument, you just have to be the type of person who can get invested in the emotions of the characters in the moment and really feel for them. Suspension of disbelief, sure you can write it off as that I guess. Doesn't affect how great I think the movie and ending is, all you're doing is depriving yourself more of enjoyment really which I guess I feel bad for you then.

Some people are just so....disillusioned I guess could be a word for it? "OH MAN YOU KNOW IN REAL LIFE ALL THESE STARS AREN'T GONNA BE LAID OFF CONTRACTS SO THEY CAN'T REALLY BE DEAD." Alright yea sure, but in the moment in this universe and for these characters this is real shit. Again some people really can't get past it, they're just not built for it. Which is fine, more for me to enjoy. One might say it's more about the journey rather than the destination eh?
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