Current Events > Update on my Hiragana/Japanese learning thread.

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Moving on to adjectives. So basically the adjective can be attached to nouns directly. While those who doesn't end with have to be preceded by .

However there are also words that ends with but considered as a na adjectives.

I mean it is not exactly a complex rules, but to piece is together you have to experience alot of examples. Learning japanese, so far the biggest hurdles is there are alot of parts that you can try to learn individually, but they don't really form a full picture on their own.

It is like doing puzzles that have to be solved in part, separately. You can have alot of vocabulary, but without the sense of how japanese use context to convey meaning, you will just understand fragments of meaning. You can know the rules, the quirks and subtle rules and context, but without vocabulary you cant know the meaning of words.

I guess maybe because i am learning on myself without some educational curriculum which i assume would be more organized.

But whatever. It is like i said, a puzzle where you start from the corners. It doesnt make sense at first, but i guess, as you learn more both vocab and grammar, you will eventually meet a point where both pieces meet and alot of things will start making sense.
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Dang that write fuction on jisho website is a fucking godsend.

It help me practice (writing it on yoir own makes you memorize faster than just copy paste) and in case i read a word from something i cannot copy paste, (for example subtitle in anime or a sign in anime or games whateber) i would just write it down and find a match.

Next time i play a yakuza game, i am definitely doing it. The environment are full of japanese characters.
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Lunaaaa posted...

However there are also words that ends with but considered as a na adjectives.

That's because na adjectives are nouns. If you look at it's in noun form. is obviously a noun since it has no okurigana. This one won't give you issues if you are learning words. "i" adjectives are also technically verbs and all verbs are also capable of being used as adjectives, but that can be confusing to some people. Just know you can use them for either purpose.
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i sometimes forget you read japanese from right to left. in manga's original RAW, you should read it from right then down, move on the the left column and so on. at first i read it from left to right column and was like "this doesn't make sense!?" then i remembered.

https://imgur.com/DyrLCwL

that's the one i encountered in reddit and tried to read and translate it myself lol.
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M3sterybumper posted...

Lunaaaa posted...

Also what simple games on pc or 3ds have dual language options? That way i can switch language and start learning for real

Im not sure how simple it is but FE Awakening does and its an easy to use one.

Do other FE games have it? What about valencia? I sold my FE A copy years ago and dont feel like rebuying or replaying
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M3sterybumper posted...

Im not sure how simple it is but FE Awakening does and its an easy to use one.

No it doesn't. The only thing you can change to Japanese in FEA is the voices, which is useless. Especially since the vast, vast majority of the game isn't voice-acted. If you want to play FEA in Japanese, you need to import.

Is there any particular rule when you use katakana to spell english word? Especially the use of "r" from what seen is always silent

For example, this Japanese MH trailer;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYSmp72HDZ8" data-time="

I am too lazy to switch kana keyboard so, i just use romaji

"Monster" is spelled "monsuta" , i kinda expect it to be spelled "monsutaru" because the english word ends with a hard "r"

So is hunter is spelled "hanta" not "hantaru"
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Lunaaaa posted...

"Monster" is spelled "monsuta" , i kinda expect it to be spelled "monsutaru" because the english word ends with a hard "r"

You have to keep in mind that japanese has a somewhat limited set of "valid" syllables so katakana loanwords will often just be a best attempt approximation. Consider how basically no one speaking english would ever say monsteru but depending on their accent they might get pretty close to monsta or monstah

reading katakana can be tricky but turning english words into katakana is basically the final boss of japanese
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kirbymuncher posted...

Lunaaaa posted...

"Monster" is spelled "monsuta" , i kinda expect it to be spelled "monsutaru" because the english word ends with a hard "r"

You have to keep in mind that japanese has a somewhat limited set of "valid" syllables so katakana loanwords will often just be a best attempt approximation. Consider how basically no one speaking english would ever say monsteru but depending on their accent they might get pretty close to monsta or monstah

reading katakana can be tricky but turning english words into katakana is basically the final boss of japanese

Damn sounds pretty menacing


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Trickier to read for sure, in part because you see them less often so you have less exposure and in part because of the ambiguities in trying to turn them into words in other languages (the sort of thing that causes aeris vs aerith arguments)

though, I was referring more to starting with a word in english and trying to figure out the katakana for it. I dunno why but it's always super hard and I have a lot more trouble than going the other direction
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Easiest katakana learning houhou = Pokemon

Seriously, just play some freaking pokemon and you'll get there.

That won't help you with Kanji or anything if you play the kana-soup versions (please PLEASE just play Black/Whiteand beyond) but you won't get more consistent repetitive exposure than by seeing poke names.
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YonicBoom posted...

Easiest katakana learning houhou = Pokemon

Seriously, just play some freaking pokemon and you'll get there.

That won't help you with Kanji or anything if you play the kana-soup versions (please PLEASE just play Black/Whiteand beyond) but you won't get more consistent repetitive exposure than by seeing poke names.

True enough. Pokemon games dont really stimulate me anymore, but i plan to anyway
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Lunaaaa posted...

True enough. Pokemon games dont really stimulate me anymore, but i plan to anyway

If you're expecting any "easy" stuff to be stimulating, you gotta re-evaluate some things.

You can't get to the "good" stuff until you pay your dues on the easy stuff.
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True enough
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I don't think I'll ever play pokemon in japanese, for some reason learning and remember pokemon names is like 100x harder than learning and remembering actual vocab

Also if you're just not a fan of pokemon I'm sure there are plenty of other video games targetted at children you could try instead. it's not like pokemon has a unique audience or anything
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i dunno, is yokay watch more interesting than pokemon? it's not the simplicity of the language, but the mechanics itself. but i guess i can do a sun/moon plautrough in japanese version
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Anything that exposes you to words, do it.

It's literally that easy.

You will gain whatever you do from those things. You won't lose the words that you experience in the most memorable ways.
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bump
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So i played great ace attorney, it ended in a cliffhanger.

Say, if i just jump right into Dai gyakuten 2, will i get fucked? I mean i assume an ace attorney game will give me trouble simce there will be alot of legal jargon, but at the same time, this is one game that motivate me beczuse i actually like the game
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go for it

I imagine it will probably be tough thanks to legal terms, characters with weird names, and no easy/quick way to look vocab up (iirc?) unlike something like a digital version of a novel where you can easily copy text and paste it to a dictionary

but it's not like there's any harm in trying, if it feels too impossible you can always just set it aside
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True, yeah, i think i will go for it. The worst thing that can happen is i will just set it aside. Plus the harshest challenge usually make the best teacher. Plus with the help of digital translator nowadays, you can get at least a pretty good grip.

I will focus more on grammar first, i admit i have been slacking off learning past 2 weeks.

Now i have actual, immediate motivation to go again

Thanks
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The thing with genre specific jargon is that the games will use the same words over and over and over again. Once you've learned the jargon from the first game, you won't then have to re-learn it in the sequel.

I mean, the "hardest" words you're actually likely to run into in any Ace Attorney game are just ones you wouldn't have seen before like (doesn't even appear in my IME for some reason), , and a few others that pop up very occasionally, but not all the time. Maybe too.

Thankfully, most of the time, the game is anticipating this and has someone around you who doesn't know the word, so it gets kana'd up for you in at least one or two dialogue boxes, and then possibly defined. And for some reason they don't even use kanji for "easy" stuff like .
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This part sounds so, so much more filthy in Japanese than I remember it sounding in English.

hmm i decided to play pokemon first before ace attorney. it's kinda daunting. playing pokemon should get me used to read hiragana and katakana.
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Ace attorney actually requires you to fully comprehend the dialogue to progress and enjoy the game at all. Pokemon is enhanced by understanding it, but you can still have fun even if you only understand every other word and have to crack open the jisho every time you talk to someone.

Hell, a person who can play any Ace Attorney game in their non-dominant language while only having trouble in the same places they would in their native language, and while enjoying the banter and getting most of the jokes, is certainly to the point where hard study is no longer the most efficient means of getting better.

From that point, you can basically ride on sustained enjoyment of things in the language.
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yeah, that's what i thought. maybe i can learn more when i reach better comprehension by playing ace attorney but at this level i don't think i can.
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This kid is supposed to be an English teacher from Britain.



so use

it still took me 15 minutes to get trough the intro of poekom ultra moon in japanese lol. i learned some words, but half of the time the grammar still eludes me. i guess i still have to study lol
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also just a rant, nintendo and their region lock must die. thank god i have custom firmware 3DS so it's not much of a problem.
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yup, totally underestimated how different japanese language is structurally compared to english or even indonesian.

i thought i would be able to stitch up the meaning of the sentence as long as i knew the meaning of individual words, but using translate, there is alot of hurdles and even when i know individual words the meaning is lost on me lol.

back to basic lessons i guess.
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isn't FE fates already released in english ?_?
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Ummm ikanai komatta na

Muahahaha ningen

i am baaack
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If anyone of you guys is looking for a first novel to read in Japanese, read The Hobbit (. It's really easy.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/explanation

This one is starting to get quite complex. Mostly because how wack japanese sentence structure is compared to other 2 languanges i know .
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apolloooo posted...

how wack japanese sentence structure is compared to other 2 languanges i know .

It's "wack" but it's not really complicated.

If anything, it only seems that way as a result of how not-complicated it is. It's working with a different set of tools entirely.

That means a lot of the time, it takes some interesting ways to say some things. And on the other hand, you can sometimes say a LOT with very little.
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If there's a new topic feel free to tag me a few posts in
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I stopped learning like 7 months ago but we can have a new one if you guys want.
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...you realize if you'd continued learning up until now, you'd be like... pretty OK, right?
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i will probably make a new one after this.

the past few days i just reviewing and familiarize the whole chapter over and over again. so nothing new yet, but reviewing is good.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/chapter2_summary
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Might as well make it a full-fledged Japanese Learning General #3 thread (I think this one is the 2nd thread). I can post a bunch of resources in reply to help people get started.