Poll of the Day > Making sexual harassment claims that are over 30 years old.

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Nurbis posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

I literally just posted several examples.

"a girl claiming that her sex partners raped her because she wants her crush to be sympathetic" and "an entire lacrosse team being accused of rape" are not examples, they are hypotheticals, and I have no idea who "Ducky" is. Try again.

Those are not hypothetical cases, they happened. In 2006 players from the Duke lacrosse team were accused of rape and assumed guilty from the start. Eventually during investigation it was proven to be a lie. In 2016 Nikki Yovino claimed to be raped at a party by two football players. During investigation she eventually admitted that she had consensual sex with them and the rape accusation was to try to get another guy she liked to show interest in her.

Statistics show that roughly 5% of all rape accusations are fabricated for whatever reason and that number is based on ones they could prove are a lie. Brian Banks went to prison for rape and the only reason he got out was because his accuser felt guilty years later and finally confessed she made the whole thing up.

See, those - unlike Zeus's - are examples because they actually contained identifying details. Would have preferred links, but whatever, this is enough to go off of.

Alright, so we've proven that false sexual assault reports exist. Grand. Problem is, that's true of all crimes and that hasn't been disputed anywhere in this topic. If you want to prove the point that this is a major issue, you need to prove that false rape accusations are systemic beyond levels of other violent crimes (which they are not).
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GreenKnight127 posted...

Why is it that the moment a man starts to get popular......runs for political office, has a new movie coming out, releases a new music album, etc...........

Because:

1) The women are in a place where they're more capable of talking about the situation.
2) They do not want to see someone who is capable of something so heinous put in such a high position of power or prestige.
3) Seeing the real consequences coming about in other situations makes them feel like the likelihood of consequences in their situation seem more likely.
4) Any number of other reasons.

GreenKnight127 posted...

you have women magically start coming out of the woodwork, claiming he kinda/sorta/maybe put them in an awkward sexual situation 26 years ago on a camping trip where alcohol may or may not have been involved? Or something to that degree?

Yeah, sure, rape and sexual assault are both kinda sorta awkward sexual situations.

Seirously?
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If she was raped/harassed/assaulted, why would she "bury" those feelings? Why not go to the proper authorities immediately? Or, at the very least, within weeks or months after the traumatic experience?

Do you know anything about what people typically do after being raped/harassed/assaulted?

If you guessed "never report it" then you'd be right.
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Magus 10 posted...

Yeah, sure, rape and sexual assault are both kinda sorta awkward sexual situations.

Seirously?

Oh look. Someone else putting words in my mouth. Big surprise. Is that the only way you guys know how to debate on this board?

"So what you're saying is...."

Hahaha, jeeeezus.

If you want to know what I think, just ask. Don't tell me what you think I'm saying. Don't assume. Just ask. I'm right here.

If you read my example, it was intentionally vague. A camping trip 26 years ago where something sorta sexual might have happened that made her uncomfortable.

You see.....here's the thing the media literally cannot talk about: the gray area. It exists. It's a thing.

It's not always cut-and-dry rape/assault/harassment. Sometimes people just do things and accidentally cross lines or get misinterpreted or it's funny at first, consensual, and then maybe something changes that all of a sudden.

The #MeToo movement wants to convince everyone in the world that if a woman is so much as 'unsettled' by a man's behavior.....it's RAPE. That's not how reality works. Sorry.

It's gotten to the point where if a man whistles at an attractive woman on the street, that is somehow "toxic" and "damaging" and "emotionally scarring", etc. Some women even think cat-calling is rape. And I'm just sitting over here like, "Lady, do you even know the definition of rape!?"

I swear, some people have been watching too many wholesome family sitcoms....and don't know how real people act anymore. Go to the average sports bar after midnight and watch how humans actually behave when they aren't parading around the internet like white knight sjws. Humans are animals. Basically shaved monkeys. Breeding is on all our minds 90% of the time. Add alcohol into the mix and you have a recipe for the GRAY AREA.

I was once pretty tipsy....and this girl kissed me. Was I raped? Was my judgement clouded by booze? Was I able to give consent? Did I care? Was there emotional trauma? If I chose to sleep with the girl and when I woke up the next morning I realized she wasn't as attractive as I initially thought....could I claim I was raped to not look as pathetic?

I've seen guys literally walk up to women at bars and tell them how bangable they look. Some women laugh. Some women love that kinda shit. That confidence. That don't-give-a-damn attitude. And some women go home and blog about how they were sexually assaulted.

Strange times we live in.
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Please dont ignore my post about you making the creepy underage girl sex hypotheticals.
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No reason for men to be afraid. The era where we could do whatever we want to women and face no consequences for it is ending. That's a good thing. If you are afraid of that... says a lot about you.

If you can't handle it... too bad, there's no stopping it, and most of us don't want to see it stopped. You want to harass people, you're going to face consequences. You want to shame everyone who tries to come forward, you're going to fail.

And I'm quite happy with this. Im tired of people obsessing over this imagined persecution, when all that's really happening is things are finally equaling out, and you just happen to be the one who's not suddenly getting additional benefits because you already had them.

There are cultures in the world right now where a woman can accuse a man of rape, and she'll be killed for it. We need to get our own society in order before we can stand up and say to others that no, what they're doing is not okay.

So deal with it. It'll hurt a bit. But we'll be better off, all of us, in the long run.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

If you read my example, it was intentionally vague. A camping trip 26 years ago where something sorta sexual might have happened that made her uncomfortable.

Is that example something specific that has come up in a recent allegation?

If not, then the implication is that it's a representative example of the kinds of situations that have been brought up in these allegations.

You can't just provide an example and say "see, this is bad" if that example has nothing to do with anything that's actually happening. It's disingenuous at best, if not intentionally manipulative.

Sometimes people just do things and accidentally cross lines or get misinterpreted or it's funny at first, consensual, and then maybe something changes that all of a sudden.

And then the correct course of action is to stop doing that thing. Consent isn't that difficult of a concept.

The #MeToo movement wants to convince everyone in the world that if a woman is so much as 'unsettled' by a man's behavior.....it's RAPE. That's not how reality works. Sorry.

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth...

It's gotten to the point where if a man whistles at an attractive woman on the street, that is somehow "toxic" and "damaging" and "emotionally scarring", etc.

Welp, I'd definitely call it toxic pretty much always, and could see it being damaging and emotionally scarring, depending on the circumstances.

To be honest, I'm not sure defending cat calling and wolf whistling is the right strategy here.

I was once pretty tipsy....and this girl kissed me. Was I raped?

Raped? I'm not sure of a definition of rape that would cover that specifically, but I'm also not an expert.

Now, were you assaulted? If you were unable to give consent? Yeah probably.

I've seen guys literally walk up to women at bars and tell them how bangable they look. Some women laugh. Some women love that kinda shit. That confidence. That don't-give-a-damn attitude. And some women go home and blog about how they were sexually assaulted.

Yeah, gonna say it's probably not the best idea to walk up to random people and call them bangable either.
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Cacciato posted...

Isn't the TC the same guy that made a topic about how long was allowable before an adult man could sleep with underage girls if they were stranded on an island together?

Or some other creepy ass topic.

Yep, in early July.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

Cacciato posted...

Isn't the TC the same guy that made a topic about how long was allowable before an adult man could sleep with underage girls if they were stranded on an island together?

Or some other creepy ass topic.

Yep, in early July.

I love being memorable.

I also love how my topic about how modern society will assume the worst in a man was magically interpreted as "when can an adult man sleep with underage girls".

I think you guys projected a little tooooooo much into that topic. Ya freaks.
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I didn't read most of the topic, but whatever happened to those allegations against Morgan Freeman? What about Aziz Ansari?

TC is right.

Statute of limitation of rape should be one week.
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At the time it happened, she was 15, and its terrifying to speak up about assault, especially at that age. She went on with her life, then years later, the guy who almost raped her pops up as a supreme court nominee and shes like "Holy shit! That's the guy!", its not that hard to figure out why years later she would say something.

I'll assume that she sincerely believes that Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her, but isn't it at least possible she's misremembering who did something to her? Not because she's a woman, but because after so much time it's possible for anybody's memory to become incorrect even if they swear up and down they recall it with perfect clarity? I've read that that happens more often than you think.

Just so we're clear, I assume she's correctly remembering that something bad happened to her; I'm just not sure we can say without further evidence that Brett Kavanaugh did it.

OmegaM posted...

I'll assume that she sincerely believes that Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her, but isn't it at least possible she's misremembering who did something to her? Not because she's a woman, but because after so much time it's possible for anybody's memory to become incorrect even if they swear up and down they recall it with perfect clarity? I've read that that happens more often than you think.

Just so we're clear, I assume she's correctly remembering that something bad happened to her; I'm just not sure we can say without further evidence that Brett Kavanaugh did it.

That does become a factor. Human memory is mediocre at best even concerning mundane events that occurred a day prior. And traumatic events? Especially ones that occurred decades ago? People can't even agree on the skin color of an armed bank robber when questioned an hour later. She may very well be telling the truth about the event itself and Kavanaugh's involvement but I certainly wouldn't trust any of the details.
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OmegaM posted...

I'll assume that she sincerely believes that Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her, but isn't it at least possible she's misremembering who did something to her?

Unlikely - she's been pretty clear on what she does and does not remember - but yes, certainly possible. You know how we'd be able to confirm for sure? An investigation.

Kinda weird how the Republicans don't want to do that.
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darkknight109 posted...

OmegaM posted...

I'll assume that she sincerely believes that Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her, but isn't it at least possible she's misremembering who did something to her?

Unlikely - she's been pretty clear on what she does and does not remember - but yes, certainly possible. You know how we'd be able to confirm for sure? An investigation.

Kinda weird how the Republicans don't want to do that.

And that's the problem I've been trying to point out from the start:

How do you investigate something that happened 35 years ago? What would they "investigate" exactly?

Do you know what your parents had for dinner 35 years ago? Were your parents even alive 35 years ago?

This wasn't a god damn murder case with DNA evidence, alibis, surveillance footage, social media conversations, cell phone logs, etc.

This was some girl at a party with multiple people (from what I've read) and multiple guys got a little handsy with her and may or may not have tried pulling her swimsuit off, but nothing happened beyond that. But then it would change to only being Kavanaugh. And then it was 4 boys and Kavanaugh might have been there. Then it was multiple boys but Kavanaugh was the ring leader. Then it's just Horseplay. Then it was at McDonalds and they were actually just getting drunk and ordering hamburgers late at night. And then Elvis was there.

The closest thing to an "investigation" the FBI could even attempt to do, is go through her yearbook and track down everyone in her class and interview them, asking if they remember a party where things might have gotten out of hand. Ask about Kavanaugh's character, etc.

Which is still nothing concrete, because we are talking about people who were teenagers at the time, who are all in their 50's now, probably with grandkids, who are totally different people.

Her waiting 35 years to come forward with this was incredibly stupid. It's too late for any kind of justice. It's just character-smearing at this point, conveniently around the time he's running for Congress.

You could just as easily hunt down someone who went to school with Donald Trump, and pay them $1,000,000 to claim he raped some girl at a party back in the 1960's. And make sure this person decided to come forward while Donald Trump is campaigning for reelection in 2019.

All the media would need is a yearbook to verify that this person did, in fact, go to school with Donald Trump.....and the rest is just massive media headlines.

No concrete evidence needed. Just the allegations to get people fired up and judge his character.

This is how the world operates now. And people wonder why terms like "Fake News" have become so prevalent.

It's fucking ridiculous.
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The best thing to do is just let investigators do their job quickly and efficiently. Mob speculation does nothing.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

How do you investigate something that happened 35 years ago?

By talking to people.

Shit like this happens all the time. Ever heard of cold cases?

GreenKnight127 posted...

What would they "investigate" exactly?

Where exactly was this party and when? Who was there? Did anyone happen to take photos? Was Kavanaugh there and was he drunk? Did he say anything about Ford? Was Ford there? Did she say anything? When did she leave and under what circumstances?

Note that, as part of this, the FBI would also be investigating Ford and her circumstances as well. Is this a legitimate accusation? Has she shown any particular animus towards Kavanaugh and/or conservatives in general? Was she paid or compensated for doing this? Does she have a history of lying?

Remember, the investigation is simply to discern the truth, which is something everyone should be getting behind (but Republicans aren't, because their political motives demand expediency over accuracy). Kavanaugh has said he never attended a party like that - if someone can put him at one, that already throws his defence into doubt.

GreenKnight127 posted...

This was some girl at a party with multiple people (from what I've read) and multiple guys got a little handsy with her and may or may not have tried pulling her swimsuit off, but nothing happened beyond that.

Not quite. Kavanaugh was the only one "getting handsy" (which is a nice way to say he groped her, grinded against her, and tried to forcibly pull her swimsuit off), although Mark Judge was supposedly there as well and witnessed the whole thing (eventually intervening and knocking Kavanaugh off of Ford, though it isn't clear whether he did that on her behalf or because he was roughhousing). As for nothing happening beyond that, Ford tried to scream for help and Kavanaugh pushed his hand over her mouth to try and silence her, to the point where she was worried he would inadvertently kill her by smothering her.

GreenKnight127 posted...

But then it would change to only being Kavanaugh. And then it was 4 boys and Kavanaugh might have been there. Then it was multiple boys but Kavanaugh was the ring leader. Then it's just Horseplay. Then it was at McDonalds and they were actually just getting drunk and ordering hamburgers late at night. And then Elvis was there.

How fucking terrible is your memory if this is how much you remember things that happened in your life?

Picking a random party I attended as a teenager, several decades past now, I can recall most of the people who were there. If someone asked me if Will was there, I can say emphatically yes. If someone asked me if Karin was there, I can say emphatically no. I can't remember the date, but I do know that it was a birthday party for a specific person, so all investigators would need to do in my case is look up when said birthday was.

GreenKnight127 posted...

The closest thing to an "investigation" the FBI could even attempt to do, is go through her yearbook and track down everyone in her class and interview them, asking if they remember a party where things might have gotten out of hand. Ask about Kavanaugh's character, etc.

Exactly. This would all be pretty useful info to have.

GreenKnight127 posted...

Which is still nothing concrete, because we are talking about people who were teenagers at the time, who are all in their 50's now, probably with grandkids, who are totally different people.

What difference does that make? Are 50 year olds not allowed to tell the truth or something?
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GreenKnight127 posted...

Her waiting 35 years to come forward with this was incredibly stupid.

And numerous people in this thread have already told you why she didn't come forward. I can only assume you weren't alive in the 80s (or if you were, were too young to understand the sex culture of the day) or you might understand this a little better.

Here's a good example for you. Go watch The Empire Strikes Back which, conveniently, came out just a few years before this alleged incident. Watch how Han Solo "flirts" with Leia in the Millennium Falcon. After her blowing him off several times, including physically shoving him away, the physically-larger Han corners her in an isolated part of the ship. She again tells him to go away, but he persists, eventually forcing a kiss on her which she seems to enjoy (at least until C-3PO walks in and she nervously makes an exit).

...and that's how we were taught about romance. That was "normal" in that era - a guy forcing himself on a woman was "romantic", and if she was saying she was not interested, acting nervous or scared, she was just "playing hard to get". Getting someone to even believe that what Kavanaugh did constituted sexual assault back then would have been a pretty high bar to climb, especially given that Ford got away before any actual sex took place.

GreenKnight127 posted...

It's too late for any kind of justice.

OK, smart guy, what's your solution? No one here has a time machine, so we can't go back and tell her to come forward straight away. So what's the alternative? Just stay quiet and let an attempted rapist get nominated to the Supreme Court?

GreenKnight127 posted...

It's just character-smearing at this point, conveniently around the time he's running for Congress.

I'm starting to question your knowledge of what's going on.

Kavanaugh isn't "running" for anything - he's been nominated to the Supreme Court, which is not part of Congress. The job of the Senate is now to vet him and make sure he is suitable for that position (which would involve things like, for instance, looking into allegations of past sexual assault and determining if they have merit). The problem is the Republicans on the Senate have proven extremely reluctant to exercise that oversight for fear that it will derail Kavanaugh's nomination and potentially cost them the opportunity to nominate the justice of their choice (which is basically complaining that Democracy is working as it's supposed to).

GreenKnight127 posted...

You could just as easily hunt down someone who went to school with Donald Trump, and pay them $1,000,000 to claim he raped some girl at a party back in the 1960's. And make sure this person decided to come forward while Donald Trump is campaigning for reelection in 2019.

And an investigation of those allegations would quickly turn up those payments and reveal the allegations as spurious. The person responsible would then very likely be charged with making a false claim and would be both criminally liable and open to a lawsuit from Trump for defamation.

And that would almost assuredly do more good than harm to Donald Trump because it would paint the opposition as desperate and dishonest enough to make false allegations against an innocent man (while also casting doubt on the others who have made similar allegations against him).
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By the way, TC, just in case you haven't heard the Republicans are refusing to subpoena Mark Judge, whom Ford has said was a witness to what happened. Judge has said that he does not wish to speak about the events in question.

Don't you think, given your professed views, Judge should be asked to testify under oath? Even if his answer is "I don't remember anything", it would be kind of remiss not to ask him to enter that statement as testimony, no?
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...aaaaand a second woman has now come forward and claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party when they were both first years in university.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Murder a human being. Serve your debt to society, rejoin society.

Yeah but that doesn't happen either. From that point on your resume is Scarlett lettered. Very few employers will hire someone who on the background check, or probably even a simple google search, turns up convicted of murder. As a result, serve your debit to society, work low paying, menial labor for the rest of your life because you're unhirable is the far more likely outcome.

ClarkDuke posted...

Zeus posted...

The problem with your allegations is that they occurred *while* he was younger and single -- a fact that people purposefully obscured here and other places when the story first broke to make it seem as egregious as possible. More importantly, his actions *stopped* when he married a younger woman. This strongly suggests that this was never just some attraction to under-age girls, but a somewhat-less-than-socially-acceptable attempt to look for a wife.

you always talk about protecting predators, am i the only person noticing, ok?

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darkknight109 posted...

...aaaaand a second woman has now come forward and claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party when they were both first years in university.

Seems totally likely. I can't wait for her to prove it happened.
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Revelation34 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

...aaaaand a second woman has now come forward and claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party when they were both first years in university.

Seems totally likely. I can't wait for her to prove it happened.

Have you reached out to your senators to let them know you want them to request an FBI investigation?
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Holding a woman down against her will and gropping her is a lot worse than just sexual harassment
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Revelation34 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

...aaaaand a second woman has now come forward and claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party when they were both first years in university.

Seems totally likely. I can't wait for her to prove it happened.

Yeah, no kidding. It's almost like this is something that an investigative body - maybe a federal bureau somewhere or something - should be looking at to help determine if these claims have merit or not. It's a shame that the Republicans don't have someone like that they could ask to investigate this...
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darkknight109 posted...

...aaaaand a second woman has now come forward and claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party when they were both first years in university.

Proof?
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kangolcone posted...

Ok, can we please stop with the life is ruined bullshit?

Its absolutely nonsense. Woody Allen still makes movies. Roman Polanski still makes movies. Louis CK waited 9 months before appearing on stage again. Kobe won an Oscar. Harvey Weinstein is still worth 50 million dollars. And Brett Kavanaugh is still a federal judge if he doesnt get confirmed to the Supreme Court.

None of these men are ruined.

What a stupid statement.

Those people have money; they can weather the storm. There are thousands, if not millions of men who's reputation and lives are ruined due to false rape accusations made by gold-digging/vengeful whores. In Spain, the laws are so bad that a woman can make a false rape accusation against a man, with ZERO proof, zero witness, zero jack shit and she is immediately believed and the man is basically arrested.

Feminism is a terminal phase cancer that is weaponizing women and destroying society even further. Europe is becoming a feminist shit hole and look how quickly it is going down the toilet. And, unfortunately all the virtue-signaling sjw's are gobbling this shit up like candy.
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thedeerzord posted...

Proof?

Proof? With muh feminism? Who cares about facts and due process when you have MUH FEELINGS!
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darkknight109 posted...

Yeah, no kidding. It's almost like this is something that an investigative body - maybe a federal bureau somewhere or something - should be looking at to help determine if these claims have merit or not. It's a shame that the Republicans don't have someone like that they could ask to investigate this...

You mean that investigative party that will find absolutely nothing because it is something they would never be able to "prove" other than making up "evidence"?
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The_tall_midget posted...

kangolcone posted...

Ok, can we please stop with the life is ruined bullshit?

Its absolutely nonsense. Woody Allen still makes movies. Roman Polanski still makes movies. Louis CK waited 9 months before appearing on stage again. Kobe won an Oscar. Harvey Weinstein is still worth 50 million dollars. And Brett Kavanaugh is still a federal judge if he doesnt get confirmed to the Supreme Court.

None of these men are ruined.

What a stupid statement.

Those people have money; they can weather the storm. There are thousands, if not millions of men who's reputation and lives are ruined due to false rape accusations made by gold-digging/vengeful whores. In Spain, the laws are so bad that a woman can make a false rape accusation against a man, with ZERO proof, zero witness, zero jack shit and she is immediately believed and the man is basically arrested.

Feminism is a terminal phase cancer that is weaponizing women and destroying society even further. Europe is becoming a feminist shit hole and look how quickly it is going down the toilet. And, unfortunately all the virtue-signaling sjw's are gobbling this shit up like candy.

Exactly.
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Sometimes when you're assaulted as a young person, you're too embarrassed/afraid to come forward with your claim, and try to forget about it. I put up with awful bosses as a young person because I had no other references and needed to keep jobs for an adequate amount of time to receive them.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

Sometimes when you're assaulted as a young person, you're too embarrassed/afraid to come forward with your claim, and try to forget about it. I put up with awful bosses as a young person because I had no other references and needed to keep jobs for an adequate amount of time to receive them.

And that's was that. I don't see you calling the police on your employers from god knows how far back for crimes in the distant past.

We all make mistakes, but everyone else lives with it, learns, and moves on.
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I'm not sure why men have to 'be worried' all of a sudden. I know I wasn't jumping on women and groping them at any age in my life. I'm also not attempting a Supreme Court judge position, where you ought to have above average morals. It sounds like there've been corroborations of the second accusation against Brett Kavanaugh. Whether or not you 'believe it happened', it's appalling that politicians try to impede an investigation.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

Sometimes when you're assaulted as a young person, you're too embarrassed/afraid to come forward with your claim, and try to forget about it. I put up with awful bosses as a young person because I had no other references and needed to keep jobs for an adequate amount of time to receive them.

And that's was that. I don't see you calling the police on your employers from god knows how far back for crimes in the distant past.

We all make mistakes, but everyone else lives with it, learns, and moves on.

If you care to read a post I made in another topic regarding bosses/managers, you can see that I've had them fired or forced to change their attitude/actions.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/77012584?page=4

The police aren't going to listen to me complain about a perverted pizza chef from 8 years ago. You're telling me everything ought to be forgot about. I think that people should hold men/people more accountable, and it's good that conversations of this sort are more prominent today than they were previously.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

I put up with awful bosses as a young person because I had no other references and needed to keep jobs for an adequate amount of time to receive them.

So you would have "put up" with being raped as well?

Enough with this perpetual victim mentality. Stand up for yourself. Now. Not later.

Don't let a guy do something inappropriate with you, and then wait three DECADES until you see him running for Congress on TV....and then you get all upset that his life turned out to be successful and you just want to make him pay.

That's not you seeking justice. That's you seeking REVENGE. Character smearing. Nothing more.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

I'm not sure why men have to 'be worried' all of a sudden. I know I wasn't jumping on women and groping them at any age in my life.

I'm glad you weren't jumping on women and groping them at any age. A true gentleman, good sir. *pats your head*

However, men should be worried. Always. Because women have a power that the media seldom likes to talk about.

Courts and public opinion favor them. Always. It's the perpetual victimhood status of being female by default. Men are predators, women are the prey. Helpless victims. Precious creatures worthy of protection and love and sympathy.

This sexist trope has existed since caveman times.

And now, in our digital age, with social media and PC culture saturating everything....it gives women an edge in all aspects of life.

And some women abuse this shit.

Like I've already said on this board, I knew a girl who got 7 guys fired from their job by making false sexually harassment allegations against them. She only did it because she dated these guys and they started to get "too clingy" or she got "bored" with them, or they actually had relationship standards and explained to her that if they were going to date, they wanted it to be exclusive so they didn't want her seeing other guys while she was seeing them (you know, basic human decency in a committed relationship). She didn't like "being controlled" so she lied and said they did things to her that were untrue. The company bent over backwards to make her feel "safe" and so fired these men without any kind of trial or investigation. It was disgusting.

A man CANNOT do that to a woman in 2018. That is an exclusive female privilege.

And it's fucked up.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

I put up with awful bosses as a young person because I had no other references and needed to keep jobs for an adequate amount of time to receive them.

So you would have "put up" with being raped as well?

Enough with this perpetual victim mentality. Stand up for yourself. Now. Not later.

Don't let a guy do something inappropriate with you, and then wait three DECADES until you see him running for Congress on TV....and then you get all upset that his life turned out to be successful and you just want to make him pay.

That's not you seeking justice. That's you seeking REVENGE. Character smearing. Nothing more.

I don't think you understand life in general, or how people operate on an emotional level after being raped. I don't think you've met too many people who have experienced sexual abuse/rape. Also, many prominent cases that we're talking about, such as guys like Louis CK, aren't rapists, but are still dumb ****ing perverts abusing their power. I like some crazy sex stuff, but I have the decency of getting to know people, and not flipping my dong out, asking to do so out of nowhere. I believe someone deserves to have their character smeared for disgusting actions they took 30 years ago, if they didn't settle those actions previously. I did some not too great stuff when I was younger (17-18), but I learned for it and atoned for my actions through apology, conversation, and openness.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

I believe someone deserves to have their character smeared for disgusting actions they took 30 years ago,

What if they didn't actually do it?
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GreenKnight127 posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

I'm not sure why men have to 'be worried' all of a sudden. I know I wasn't jumping on women and groping them at any age in my life.

I'm glad you weren't jumping on women and groping them at any age. A true gentleman, good sir. *pats your head*

However, men should be worried. Always. Because women have a power that the media seldom likes to talk about.

Courts and public opinion favor them. Always. It's the perpetual victimhood status of being female by default. Men are predators, women are the prey. Helpless victims. Precious creatures worthy of protection and love and sympathy.

This sexist trope has existed since caveman times.

And now, in our digital age, with social media and PC culture saturating everything....it gives women an edge in all aspects of life.

And some women abuse this shit.

Like I've already said on this board, I knew a girl who got 7 guys fired from their job by making false sexually harassment allegations against them. She only did it because she dated these guys and they started to get "too clingy" or she got "bored" with them, or they actually had relationship standards and explained to her that if they were going to date, they wanted it to be exclusive so they didn't want her seeing other guys while she was seeing them (you know, basic human decency in a committed relationship). She didn't like "being controlled" so she lied and said they did things to her that were untrue. The company bent over backwards to make her feel "safe" and so fired these men without any kind of trial or investigation. It was disgusting.

A man CANNOT do that to a woman in 2018. That is an exclusive female privilege.

And it's fucked up.

This is a strange conversation that does not reflect how I experience nor view life.

That story is truly unfortunate. I assume things like this do happen. My opinions are formed by my own experiences, the experiences of a large amount of people that I know, experiences of my family, and statistics. Perhaps your own life experiences have led you to believe what you're explaining to me. Sorry that we disagree.
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Revelation34 posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

I believe someone deserves to have their character smeared for disgusting actions they took 30 years ago,

What if they didn't actually do it?

The accusation still deserves to be investigated and witnesses called forth. Republicans are ignoring key witnesses in Kavanaugh's case. Accusations of this nature deserve to be taken seriously. If they didn't happen, holes will likely be found in the testimony of witnesses. Cases such as Roy Moore come to mind. Nothing like rape, but still many corroborated cases of behaviour that I believe deems you unfit from holding public office. Lots of Democrats are guilty of disgusting behaviour too, don't think I'm only against Conservatives and Republicans.
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lmao telling victims of rape, aka victims, to stop having a victim mentality. You're a fucking joke
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ReturnOfFa posted...

I believe someone deserves to have their character smeared for disgusting actions they ALLEGEDLY made 30 years ago

Fix'd that for ya, cowboy.

It's also easy for you to say that when YOU aren't the one being publicly bashed and seen as guilty before proven innocent.
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I'm sure we agree on some stuff. I don't think Jimmy Kimmel, host of "The Man Show" or whatever should be lecturing people on respecting women. BUT. We NEED to listen to victims, even if they are coming forwards decades later. Abuse and rape is traumatic, and often happens when someone is too young to have the bravery to come forwards.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

I believe someone deserves to have their character smeared for disgusting actions they ALLEGEDLY made 30 years ago

Fix'd that for ya, cowboy.

It's also easy for you to say that when YOU aren't the one being publicly bashed and seen as guilty before proven innocent.

I'm being nice, you're being childish. I'm done.
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OrangeDawn posted...

lmao telling victims of rape, aka victims, to stop having a victim mentality. You're a fucking joke

ALLEGED victims.

Jesus Christ, do none of you see the true point of this conversation!?!?! Or are you just here to virtue signal!?!

These are all ALLEGATIONS!!! Being distributed by the media as FACT!!! It's all about the dangerous (and sexist) perspective of men being seen as GUILTY before proven INNOCENT!!!

The death of Due Process.

Wake the hell up.
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due process in America has been a crock of **** for centuries
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GreenKnight127 posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

I believe someone deserves to have their character smeared for disgusting actions they ALLEGEDLY made 30 years ago

Fix'd that for ya, cowboy.

It's also easy for you to say that when YOU aren't the one being publicly bashed and seen as guilty before proven innocent.

Well, I agree he shouldn't be smeared before it's proven he committed the action in question.
But there should be an investigation, if only for the FBI to eventually conclude, "yeah, there's no way to know if her accusations are true or not."
Republicans don't want to see the question properly be addressed, because that would take time, and they need to do everything in their power to ram this nomination through before the voters can kick them out of office in 43 days.

Nobody really distributes these allegations as fact. They distribute them as allegations. You should probably read the articles better.
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