Board 8 > Monster Mafia: The Rebootening Topic 4 - Clowns

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benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Because if they killed me and not the flavor cop it is + EV for town?

So you came into the game valuing survival above all else but you played day 2 trying to eat a kill? And I'm supposed to believe you actually wanted to be a martyr for Neab? I dont believe that at all. Town Chris is way more powerful than flavor cop Neab, especially in your OWN head! Plus, now that you know there are no scanners left you're still playing it the same way, which is not giving information about it at all.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I was not expecting this day to start tonight.

Chris, can you be a little more clear with your "no option to scan someone" claim?

On night 2, I was powerless. I am not confirming or denying if I am powerless further into the game or not.

Can I ask what proof you have of this? Like I am getting really sick and tired of average mafia players telling me what a town Chris thinks. What the FUCK do you know about me, Ben? How long have I played mafia? How many times have I been killed night 1? How many towns I have led to victory? How many times my death meant a powerful scanner got a crucial scan off? How many times I know I can't be active and I am not my best. How many times I have fucked up because my brand of mafia requires a high intensity effort. What the fuck does some scrub who has been playing mafia a 10th of the time as me know about me, huh? What the fuck do you know, Ben. Not jack shit, that's what. No, Chris doesn't think "I am always most valuable" I think 'I am very valuable in a null field." So let me explain. I claim Miller day 1, if believed it means I am not power. Which means scum who hunt for power will not bother with me. That increases my chances of living (EV+) and also, because I AM town power, decreases scum's chances of hitting a town power night 1 (EV+)

Now Night 2 I know I am worthless. I assume Neab is not and believe him to be a flavor cop (though a track is good too) SO, let's enter this dynamic:

Night 2, I am not power. If I die, power for that night for sure lives (EV+)

If Neab is killed, power for sure dies (EV-)

And now we factor in that it isn't as if I am playing my very best, even when home I am pretty busy still moving and all that. I am not playing bad or even average compared to board 8, but for me it isn't my best game. There are games where my role just doesn't matter because I am able to beast. This was never going to be one of those games, so I had to be shrewd.

I have made shrewd TOWN moves. I stand by that. I am alive day 3 to debate you. Bad news for us is Corrik claimed day 1 and scum believed him (proof I am not scum tbh BUT WHATEVER) and then night 2 the second scanner died.

Ben you are trying to repeat the mistakes of ADWD where the game spent a day murdering a scanner. Can we please take a step back and discuss how my progression of miller, to admitting prosty, to admitting I can't confirm I am prosty etc etc just makes no sense as a scum person. I mean, jesus.
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ScareChan posted...

Sheep - scanned inno by corrik
Chris - pirate blew up into him
Ben - mason bro for life
Red - liked his end of day 1 a lot, the way he went onto pirate felt real
Han - same as red, and him coming in with his flavor thing to syn up with sheep makes me feel ok
Sbell - claimed ash vanilla and has done ?? since
FD - claimed something else supernatural and also has been ?? to me
Miz - I didnt like the hammer too much, but I liked him trying to make content end of day, he's kind of in the middle

I think I want today to be more between Sbell and FD

bu

Sounds like a waste of a day when we have scum Chris looking pretty ready to die here.

Ive given my opinions plenty, I'm convinced pirate Chris was scum scum. I think Chris claim is a lie and I didnt think plum was scum. I made that known. And I'm still lynching scum right now.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Plum - High Priest(Rolestopper) LD2

I'm confused.

Is that town flavor or scum flavor? The lack of clarification is actually dumb.

Results are supposed to say TOWN (or HUMAN) X aren't they?

Rolestopper sounds like it could be either alignment and high priest isn't telling of alignmentn either.

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I think we can assume he was town though, which to me means Chris is the right lynch today.

But it's hard to reconcile Chris trading himself for plum in that spot.

Also relevant is what neab's flip really means. I'll iso neab at some point, because I'm still not entirely clear on the whole sheep cult leader thing.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

ScareChan posted...

but the flavor saying town was wrong has me messed up

I didn't even read the flavor until I saw you say this.

That does seem to make it pretty clear that the plum lunch was a mistake ergohe was the town equivalent.

Kinda sucky that we don't even find that out until after night is over, since that means scum has known all night and we couldn't be sure. But at least that mystery is solved.

???
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Kinda sucky that we don't even find that out until after night is over, since that means scum has known all night and we couldn't be sure. But at least that mystery is solved.

You're gonna have to give me details on how that was personally very sucky.... because the statement sounds canned. And i dont even know what canned means. But it sounded that way
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Kinda sucky that we don't even find that out until after night is over, since that means scum has known all night and we couldn't be sure. But at least that mystery is solved.

this smells forced FD are you scum.
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##vote: FD

That was for sure canned, because he had assumed Plum was town!
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oh hi new page ninja ben.
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Uggg, Chris pointing that out hurts my brain
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Hi FD let's talk buddy.
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Yes I assumed he was town.

But I did not know for sure.

I assumedbecause he want named Dracula or some similar monster.

But my role pm mentions winning when all threats to humans are defeated, and I could see world where a high priest is a threat, especially if cults are involved.

But the flavor clears up the doubt I had.
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##Vote:FD

Can you guys give me the credit for no reason at all
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ScareChan posted...

##Vote:FD

Can you guys give me the credit for no reason at all

Yes but only ironically.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Yes I assumed he was town.

But I did not know for sure.

I assumedbecause he want named Dracula or some similar monster.

But my role pm mentions winning when all threats to humans are defeated, and I could see world where a high priest is a threat, especially if cults are involved.

But the flavor clears up the doubt I had.

Yeah but you made a big statement like 'I think we can assume' which is a bit more than 'I assume.'

Plus tbh that statement was pretty sad. It was like 'oh woe is town (of which I am a member) we didn't know but scum (not me) knew"

Also it's really scummy to me how you think plum imploding says anything about me. Be like Ben and just be wrong about me, Plum had nothing to do with me.
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Also Ben I think it is a EV- to tell you the whole nature of my role but since you are MY BEAUTIFUL MASON STALKER I will tell you if you want to know.
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it would please him greatly
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Do you speak for your masonry friend, Scare?
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You guys can't see the forest for the trees right now.

I didn't find out for SURE that plum was town until after I read the flavor. Which I did not even do until after I read Scare's post mentioning the flavor.

And so I expressed my annoyance that something like that was vague through an entire night phase.
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Still haven't explained why I am a good direction since he is town.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

You guys can't see the forest for the trees right now.

I didn't find out for SURE that plum was town until after I read the flavor. Which I did not even do until after I read Scare's post mentioning the flavor.

And so I expressed my annoyance that something like that was vague through an entire night phase.

i wasnt even the first one to mention it
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Oh look, Scare Chris and Red finally caught on.

Anyway, while I'm all game for lynching FD, let me point out this post that was just made:

Obellisk posted...

ScareChan posted...

Sheep - scanned inno by corrik
Chris - pirate blew up into him
Ben - mason bro for life
Red - liked his end of day 1 a lot, the way he went onto pirate felt real
Han - same as red, and him coming in with his flavor thing to syn up with sheep makes me feel ok
Sbell - claimed ash vanilla and has done ?? since
FD - claimed something else supernatural and also has been ?? to me
Miz - I didnt like the hammer too much, but I liked him trying to make content end of day, he's kind of in the middle

I think I want today to be more between Sbell and FD

bu

Sounds like a waste of a day when we have scum Chris looking pretty ready to die here.

Ive given my opinions plenty, I'm convinced pirate Chris was scum scum. I think Chris claim is a lie and I didnt think plum was scum. I made that known. And I'm still lynching scum right now.

For one, SBell has said basically what FD said - "lol we're just killing Chris today"

Also, SBell has set himself up to just stonewall on Chris.
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by the way I want to point out

I didnt sign up to take this game OMG SERIOUS like I did with GoT. Its fun halloween, and I just want to play this one to have fun. I am definitely still playing to win, but Plum took a lot of fun out of the game yesterday and if he really was town he should be ashamed of himself
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Still haven't explained why I am a good direction since he is town.

Im not sure beyond a doubt you are. I find it difficult to believe that scum Chris goes so hard against town plum there.

But there has been a lot of scanning power and a lot of people changing their claims so I really don't have the strongest grasp at this point.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

You guys can't see the forest for the trees right now.

I didn't find out for SURE that plum was town until after I read the flavor. Which I did not even do until after I read Scare's post mentioning the flavor.

And so I expressed my annoyance that something like that was vague through an entire night phase.

FD that was a lot of lines to say not very much.
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Also how many people can look at the newbie scum just throwing himself at me and think "oh yeah, pirate decided to bus scum buddy chris."

Can we get real please!
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red13n posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You guys can't see the forest for the trees right now.

I didn't find out for SURE that plum was town until after I read the flavor. Which I did not even do until after I read Scare's post mentioning the flavor.

And so I expressed my annoyance that something like that was vague through an entire night phase.

FD that was a lot of lines to say not very much.

You forgot to quote literally every other FD post this game.
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ScareChan posted...

by the way I want to point out

I didnt sign up to take this game OMG SERIOUS like I did with GoT. Its fun halloween, and I just want to play this one to have fun. I am definitely still playing to win, but Plum took a lot of fun out of the game yesterday and if he really was town he should be ashamed of himself

I always take mafia seriously but yeah this isnt a surprak game where I go 10/10.
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Anyway since the masonry has been VERY INDULGENT with me and out bluffed me on miller, which is impressive tbh...

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Yeah I am just a 1 shot prosty lol.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

You forgot to quote literally every other FD post this game.

I'm going to be honest, I tend to skim a lot of FD's post.

The thing was, FD usually sits for like hours making those posts. I know he didnt sit very long for that one.
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If FD is Scum, then I'm officially better friends with FD than Chris and Red.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

For one, SBell has said basically what FD said - "lol we're just killing Chris today"

I don't recall saying that and I do recall expressing concerns about Chris definitely being scum because that would make his d2 play confusing.

But not impossible either. He could be scum prosty who did see plum get up and so it wasn't a risk to call him out for getting up and then plum was kind enough to bungle absolutely everything.
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and tbh this is Ben's fault. You could have had a flipped Chris and an extra track by now if you had just went 'omg chris is totally town, no need to suspect him anymore ty chris, full time prosty hero to town'
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

If FD is Scum, then I'm officially better friends with FD than Chris and Red.

I met FD on his honeymoon. He hadn't even done anything when you called him scum originally no fair.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

If FD is Scum, then I'm officially better friends with FD than Chris and Red.

Thankfully that is not in jeopardy.

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red13n posted...

FD that was a lot of lines to say not very much.

And yet I said them.

Because those were the feelings I was feeling at the time I was feeling them. No filter.

You were scum with me 2 games ago, I was much more conscious of how i was coming across. So either I'm deliberately doing the opposite, or I'm town. Let me know after you've decided.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Can I ask what proof you have of this? Like I am getting really sick and tired of average mafia players telling me what a town Chris thinks. What the FUCK do you know about me, Ben? How long have I played mafia? How many times have I been killed night 1? How many towns I have led to victory? How many times my death meant a powerful scanner got a crucial scan off? How many times I know I can't be active and I am not my best. How many times I have fucked up because my brand of mafia requires a high intensity effort. What the fuck does some scrub who has been playing mafia a 10th of the time as me know about me, huh? What the fuck do you know, Ben. Not jack shit, that's what. No, Chris doesn't think "I am always most valuable" I think 'I am very valuable in a null field." So let me explain. I claim Miller day 1, if believed it means I am not power. Which means scum who hunt for power will not bother with me. That increases my chances of living (EV+) and also, because I AM town power, decreases scum's chances of hitting a town power night 1 (EV+)

Now Night 2 I know I am worthless. I assume Neab is not and believe him to be a flavor cop (though a track is good too) SO, let's enter this dynamic:

Night 2, I am not power. If I die, power for that night for sure lives (EV+)

If Neab is killed, power for sure dies (EV-)

And now we factor in that it isn't as if I am playing my very best, even when home I am pretty busy still moving and all that. I am not playing bad or even average compared to board 8, but for me it isn't my best game. There are games where my role just doesn't matter because I am able to beast. This was never going to be one of those games, so I had to be shrewd.

I have made shrewd TOWN moves. I stand by that. I am alive day 3 to debate you. Bad news for us is Corrik claimed day 1 and scum believed him (proof I am not scum tbh BUT WHATEVER) and then night 2 the second scanner died.

Ben you are trying to repeat the mistakes of ADWD where the game spent a day murdering a scanner. Can we please take a step back and discuss how my progression of miller, to admitting prosty, to admitting I can't confirm I am prosty etc etc just makes no sense as a scum person. I mean, jesus.

Of course I see all of the town motivations you could have had for each of your actions. But what kind of person would I be if i ignored the possible scum motivations too?

Anyway, I had a whole wall as big as yours typed but I have a hard time arguing about this stuff because I don't like making people mad, and I hope you arent town because I don't want it to be true that I'm doing that, so.

I will discuss that last part though, because its felt to me like -

You claim Miller as scum gambit since you can't be highly active this game, and also want to have reasons for scum to keep you alive, but have to change it because me and Scare claimed Miller. You claim Prosty because it's a weaker and safer role to fakeclaim, and this is before any scanners are claimed. You only have to say it doesnt alert your targets because you're not really Prosty as it's fake. So of course you had to get that out.
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And even though we're all mad at Plum for getting lynched, he's still a very highly regarded player who I assume HAS played in a lot more games with Chris than me. He recognized this as Scum Chris. That's worth something
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

You were scum with me 2 games ago, I was much more conscious of how i was coming across. So either I'm deliberately doing the opposite, or I'm town. Let me know after you've decided.

uhhh I hate to break it to you, but you were scum and basically barely played the game at all. We literally had to tell you that you had to stop posting at a certain point.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Thankfully that is not in jeopardy.
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:'(

</3
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Please don't say of course. You have shown zero work to see you see the town perspectives. You have, really, only listed the scum ones which frustrates me both because I am town and it is bad play to only play out 30% of the possible scenarios. I have never, not once, asked people to IGNORE anything. Especially related to me. The more information the better.

ANYWAY I am not super pissed off, and it isn't you. Last game I had so many members of town (Sbell and MI the most memorable) that this wasn't town Chris. I know town Chris they claimed, Chris wouldn't do this. All the while I was performing at SUCH a high level. My night 1 proved it where I typed out 4000 words and I didn't solve the game but boy was I ahead of the rest of town to the point where you guys killed me again night 2 when you shot Han.

If all you said is true, how did I know Plum got up? Logical flaw # 1. Logical flaw # 2, if I wanted to be gambiting as scum I just don't draw attention to me day 1, claim inactivity, and just become less of a presence. If I know I can't be night killed, why bother with the gambit at all? Just be ineffective.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also Ben I think it is a EV- to tell you the whole nature of my role but since you are MY BEAUTIFUL MASON STALKER I will tell you if you want to know.

Save it for mass claim tbh
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If FD is Scum, then I'm officially better friends with FD than Chris and Red.

Thankfully that is not in jeopardy.

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red13n posted...

FD that was a lot of lines to say not very much.

And yet I said them.

Because those were the feelings I was feeling at the time I was feeling them. No filter.

You were scum with me 2 games ago, I was much more conscious of how i was coming across. So either I'm deliberately doing the opposite, or I'm town. Let me know after you've decided.

You guys keep talking jeopardy but playing like its wheel of fortune tbh
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benjamin3740 posted...

And even though we're all mad at Plum for getting lynched, he's still a very highly regarded player who I assume HAS played in a lot more games with Chris than me. He recognized this as Scum Chris. That's worth something

Does it have to be worth something? When he thought Pirate was town day 1? I mean not to be an asshole but town Plum isn't very good to begin with.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Please don't say of course. You have shown zero work to see you see the town perspectives. You have, really, only listed the scum ones which frustrates me both because I am town and it is bad play to only play out 30% of the possible scenarios. I have never, not once, asked people to IGNORE anything. Especially related to me. The more information the better.

ANYWAY I am not super pissed off, and it isn't you. Last game I had so many members of town (Sbell and MI the most memorable) that this wasn't town Chris. I know town Chris they claimed, Chris wouldn't do this. All the while I was performing at SUCH a high level. My night 1 proved it where I typed out 4000 words and I didn't solve the game but boy was I ahead of the rest of town to the point where you guys killed me again night 2 when you shot Han.

If all you said is true, how did I know Plum got up? Logical flaw # 1. Logical flaw # 2, if I wanted to be gambiting as scum I just don't draw attention to me day 1, claim inactivity, and just become less of a presence. If I know I can't be night killed, why bother with the gambit at all? Just be ineffective.

Before I read the rest of the post I just want to say I think scum rolecop is a big possibility and Plum is a big target for that
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benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also Ben I think it is a EV- to tell you the whole nature of my role but since you are MY BEAUTIFUL MASON STALKER I will tell you if you want to know.

Save it for mass claim tbh

Too late, blame Scare he said you wanted to know.
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I am glad I am respected enough people think I can fake my surprise at not knowing I didn't confirm when I targeted people.

I um... was a bit blindsided lol
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Han, my comment was more about wasting the day by looking into me than it was about fd. Personally I'm with you on fd at this point.

Chris, mzero, fd.

I'm not setting up to stall out on a anyone. You are jumping to conclusions.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am glad I am respected enough people think I can fake my surprise at not knowing I didn't confirm when I targeted people.

I um... was a bit blindsided lol

If you're scum I'm not sure how else you'd go about it other than the way you did. I mean you have to act out the moment or Plum would go to his dying town grave saying you didnt target him. But yeah I think you can fake that fine. I've faked weirder host interactions
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Tag
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Alright. Chris is town. And I even hear he gets more prosty shots when he lynches a scum.

##Unvote

##Vote: FD

Let's go this way
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Vitals?
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That's - 1 guys.
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