Board 8 > Monster Mafia: The Rebootening Topic 4 - Clowns

(+) Yeah! (+)

Oh maybe lets calm down. I forgot the player count is so low

##Unvote
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Thanks Benj.

I want to lynch him too but let's not get crazy here
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Oh Sheep, Neab said you were Cthulhu at one point. Are you related?
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Worthless question really since you're already confirmed by

THE BOOK OF CONFIRMED TOWN
Scare
Neab :(
Sheep
Han

but maybe your flavor implies Cuthulu is one of the scum
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Or

Orrr

We lynch fd and get day up early tomorrow


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Shaun of the VOTALS

FD [3] - Miz, Chris, Scare, (Ben)
Chris [1] - Sbell, (Ben),
Miz [0] - (Sbell),

Day ends Tuesday Oct. 23 at 8pm MST

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.
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ScareChan posted...

We lynch fd and get day up early tomorrow

Sheep hasnt checked in yet unless i'm crazy.
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emoji there means I was )mostly( joking
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and please dont take this as you being suspected for not posting walls

because less walls is better
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I still don't believe Chris's ever changing claim.

But consider me in on an fd lynch, he's also on my list, I just don't want to end the day.

Headed to bed.
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##Unvote

so there is more slack
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only unclaimed are red and miz right?

I think we get that out of the way today

and chris I dont think you gave flavor
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Chris claimed Sam Winchester, brother of Dean Winchester. Actually presents an interesting flavor meta question. Would both brothers even appear on the safelist together?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Oh Sheep, Neab said you were Cthulhu at one point. Are you related?

Leader of the Cult of Cthulhu, to be precise. Don't think Cthulhu is in scum.

There's a few things Chris has said which have upset me, though I'm not sure he's scum. I'm just posting after catching up on my way to school, so I'm just putting this to remind myself when I get back.
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Anyways I played a lot of sc6 tonight but I'll do some iso stuff tomorrow before work.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Chris claimed Sam Winchester, brother of Dean Winchester. Actually presents an interesting flavor meta question. Would both brothers even appear on the safelist together?

I would absolutely do that.

I just have trouble believing Pirate's episode was fabricated.
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I have no earthly idea what Pirate was doing there tbh.
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The day was quiet and still, a light fog rolled in.

The villagers were uneasy and on edge, conversation had died...

I am just as guilty of not adding anything here but I feel like it's impossible to get anything new going here. There is nothing new to say about Fd or Chris. And I still don't like the mzero hammer that can too easily be disguised as town annoyance.

So what are we doing here guys?
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You could stop voting me if you are town. My claim didnt even change that much.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Chris claimed Sam Winchester, brother of Dean Winchester. Actually presents an interesting flavor meta question. Would both brothers even appear on the safelist together?

I would absolutely do that.

I just have trouble believing Pirate's episode was fabricated.

What do you mean exactly by fabricated, because of course it had to be fabricated on his end at least. With how bad his reasoning was for Chris being scum (what was it anyway? Just that they couldnt be both brothers and scanners?), it almost seemed to me like he was set up to fail and to make Chris look good. He seemed mad since he replaced out immediately after that. But eh, I dunno. I want to hear the argument for why it means Chris is town
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You could stop voting me if you are town. My claim didnt even change that much.

Your claim changed from Miller to prosty to prosty with caveats.

And we've already had a day cop and Jack with two scanning roles flip.

Your one prosty scan was used to damn the Town everything Doctor.

And on top of all that, Chris is still alive on Day 3 (with power).

So call me crazy, but something tells me that all signs point to Chris is just scum this game.

Now you've pointed out an Fd flub, we are looking like we are lynching him fo shizzle. And I just can't help but feel like you are just pulling our strings this game.

So I'll continue voting you. I was right, this was town plum just not having a good game. Sad but true. I was right that Corrik was Town, day cop or no. I'm willing to bet (not actually) that I'm right Bout you chris.
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Sheep, I need more input from you! Don't let your position as a TRUSTED MEMBER OF TOWN go to waste!
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Those of you who have been saying FD is scum since day 1 (Han and Mzero) - did you garner anything from FD's interactions with Pirate/Pirate's interactions with him?
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Did I just get townmunned?

Just getting off work now. D2 ending when it did was really inconvenient for me and I just don't have spare time until my evenings.
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I need to reread day 1.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

If all you said is true, how did I know Plum got up? Logical flaw # 1. Logical flaw # 2, if I wanted to be gambiting as scum I just don't draw attention to me day 1, claim inactivity, and just become less of a presence. If I know I can't be night killed, why bother with the gambit at all? Just be ineffective.

I feel like this highlights a lot of what Chris has done over the past few days. Almost everything he says is wifom, and I would argue it's far more pro-scum than pro-town particularly regarding his various claims (which I still don't believe). The first bit is bad logic itself, you could gamble on Plum getting up. Scum could have watcher, or rolecop, or however many other things. Second bit is literally just irrelevant wifom.

A second point, somewhat related: the coexistence of masons and another scanning role is still effectively incompatible in this game. At least one of them is lying, and because of the amount of wifom I've seen from both sides so far, I don't believe either. If both turn out to be town and lying about their roles I will legitimately flip my shit. My reads have been godawful so far this game, with my two gut scum reads both flipping town power (and a town read flipping scum), so I barely feel like I can trust Ben and Scare to even be Town despite what I got in the first topic, although the Mason gamble is obviously a massive, massive risk as scum. I kind of want to go back and take another look at SBell too, because FD just doesn't feel like a scum lynch to me.
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I really dont think Chris would have been so quick to believe Neab and vote Sheep were he really Town Prostitute. N matter if he was 1 shot or not
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Obellisk posted...

And on top of all that, Chris is still alive on Day 3 (with power).

Dont think rule 1 applies here.

Night 1 chris getting doc saved seems pretty obvious. Night 2, while prosty is strong, its far from a definitive scan like a full flavor cop could be.

Red

Do you believe that Chris and Ben/Scare are all currently being honest about their roles?
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Sheep007 posted...

Red

Do you believe that Chris and Ben/Scare are all currently being honest about their roles?

Chris - no

I slept a lot later than I had planned!

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Obellisk posted...

Now you've pointed out an Fd flub, we are looking like we are lynching him fo shizzle. And I just can't help but feel like you are just pulling our strings this game.

Flub?

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benjamin3740 posted...

Those of you who have been saying FD is scum since day 1 (Han and Mzero) - did you garner anything from FD's interactions with Pirate/Pirate's interactions with him?

I don't even remember talking to him during day 1, though I suppose I must have at some point.
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For the record this is the "first message" that mzero has said i'm scum for:

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Frivolous First Message

This was the first time (in memory) I'd been around when the first day went up. I wanted to make a frivolous first message, as often seems to be maid at the beginning of day 1. But I wasn't sure what to say so i just said 'frivolous first message'. Apparently that is alignment damning now?

If you kill me, I hope MZero is properly ashamed of himself for using this as the initial basis of his justification for thinking I'm scum. Because this is where he decided I was scum and he has seemed to try to fit all the other pieces together to support that initial determination. It's flawed thinking, and in this case particularly it has reached the wrong conclusion. So sad to be wrong based on such a flimsy thing.
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I assume you still think he's Town, though, Red?

I am not entirely against fakeclaiming as town but I struggle to see how his actions this game have helped in any way assuming that is the case. Maybe that's me judging the results and not the actions themselves. If Plum had not melted down the way he did I would feel even worse about Chris given he was the main instigator of that lynch and the meltdown itself, imo.

I am reminded of Chris saying at the start of last game bad play is more likely to come from town than scum. I don't feel like that was applied to Plum this game, somehow. I'm not sure if it applies to Chris himself either. Because say what you want about the claims being intelligent plays, the confusion they've caused is not pro-town, not beneficial to us as a whole so far this game, as far as I can see, and it's convenient that they've changed every time to something that would be somewhat acceptable given the current situation.

I feel like I convinced myself he was scum typing this up and just thinking about the situation a bit more. Not sold on FD yet but I'm good with my vote being here.

##Vote: Chris

Oh, and speaking of FD, that last post at time of writing looks to have been made with the assumption MZero is Town. Is that what you currently think?
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I think he hasn't done enough to make me think he is scum (but he could be). I think MZero and Han have both given pretty thin reasonings against me based on semantic nonsense, but I also don't think they could both be the remaining scum, so at least one of them is town that is just plain screwing up.

And I don't have time to iso someone properly, but between my work breaks I should be able to finish a full list of claims. Which is going to look much more ridiculous than your average game. Here is what I have through just the first 150 posts:

~List of Claims~

Ben claims Richter Belmont (Vampire KilleR)

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Corrik Claims ___ (Doctor)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (Miller)

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Plum Claims Van Helsing (Day Vig)

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Scare Claims Richter Belmont ()

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Plum Claims Richter Belmont ()

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Scare Claims ___ Belmont ()

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Corrik Claims John Constantine (Day Cop) [confirmed by death]

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Ben Claims Richter Belemont (Town Cop/Former Doctor)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (actually Miller) (again)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (literally Miller) (again again)

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I have to get ready for work though, I'll work on this more during my meal break.
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Sheep007 posted...

I assume you still think he's Town, though, Red?

For now, yeah. I cant fully explain why Chris does the things he does. Sometimes he has a plan, sometimes hes just feeling attention starved and likes to look like he has a plan. Mostly he is just winging it and will have the bravado to try to make it seem he was a hero later.

I'm pretty confident hes full of crap somewhere or maybe actually vanilla. Hes done a good job so far at making sure scum cant justify killing him at least.

He said he doesn't care about looking suspicious as long as we keep killing scum. So Chris how sure are you that FD is scum at the moment?
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Leafeon13N posted...

Obellisk posted...

And on top of all that, Chris is still alive on Day 3 (with power).

Dont think rule 1 applies here.

Night 1 chris getting doc saved seems pretty obvious. Night 2, while prosty is strong, its far from a definitive scan like a full flavor cop could be.

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Doc save?
Our "doc" claims to have saved ben
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Oh

You mean scum shooting around the doc save
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ScareChan posted...

Oh

You mean scum shooting around the doc save

You should be glad I didnt have to make a response to that, scare.
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ScareChan posted...

Oh

You mean scum shooting around the doc save

I thought the same thing at first.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I think he hasn't done enough to make me think he is scum (but he could be). I think MZero and Han have both given pretty thin reasonings against me based on semantic nonsense, but I also don't think they could both be the remaining scum, so at least one of them is town that is just plain screwing up.

And I don't have time to iso someone properly, but between my work breaks I should be able to finish a full list of claims. Which is going to look much more ridiculous than your average game. Here is what I have through just the first 150 posts:

~List of Claims~

Ben claims Richter Belmont (Vampire KilleR)

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Corrik Claims ___ (Doctor)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (Miller)

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Plum Claims Van Helsing (Day Vig)

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Scare Claims Richter Belmont ()

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Plum Claims Richter Belmont ()

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Scare Claims ___ Belmont ()

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Corrik Claims John Constantine (Day Cop) [confirmed by death]

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Ben Claims Richter Belemont (Town Cop/Former Doctor)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (actually Miller) (again)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (literally Miller) (again again)

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I have to get ready for work though, I'll work on this more during my meal break.

What does this do at all? Who or what does this help?
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ScareChan posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I think he hasn't done enough to make me think he is scum (but he could be). I think MZero and Han have both given pretty thin reasonings against me based on semantic nonsense, but I also don't think they could both be the remaining scum, so at least one of them is town that is just plain screwing up.

And I don't have time to iso someone properly, but between my work breaks I should be able to finish a full list of claims. Which is going to look much more ridiculous than your average game. Here is what I have through just the first 150 posts:

~List of Claims~

Ben claims Richter Belmont (Vampire KilleR)

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Corrik Claims ___ (Doctor)

.

Chris Claims Sam Winchester (Miller)

.

Plum Claims Van Helsing (Day Vig)

.

Scare Claims Richter Belmont ()

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Plum Claims Richter Belmont ()

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Scare Claims ___ Belmont ()

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Corrik Claims John Constantine (Day Cop) [confirmed by death]

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Ben Claims Richter Belemont (Town Cop/Former Doctor)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (actually Miller) (again)

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Chris Claims Sam Winchester (literally Miller) (again again)

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I have to get ready for work though, I'll work on this more during my meal break.

What does this do at all? Who or what does this help?

It does remind me of when he was scum lawyer and tried to come up with ways to look productive by ISOing every player alive in depth....(only got through oneplayer though)
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no one asked for alist of claims

and even in doing so he is doing so half assedly because this list is not even giving topic and post which is the point of making a list in this way

and didnt he say earliar he just wasnt going tod o that this game?
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Fd coming in with clear intent to come after me but then going really soft is a bad look. And unless I missed it I dont know what plum has to do with my alignment really.
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I refuse to believe that Town FD who was -1 last night and almost quick killed a handfull of hours into day uses his spare moments before he has to be busy for the day and away from game

....making a claims list
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Idk it seems like a lot of people are way weaker than I would expect. Plum, fd, sbell all have been pretty different and low energy. Mzero is his usual sneaky self and red has never been huge.

Seems like an off game for a lot of people. Not even counting the exploding scum day 1.
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Meh, this game started with a bang and since has fizzled. I'm trying to have fun here but this game feels like it's just become a boring chore.

With that said, I would still like to lynch you chris. Like I actually haven't fully gone through with it yet since I saved your ass last game, and so far nothing has changed my mind.

The only other players left to kill would be mzero, fd and red.

I won't gamble that the masons are scum putting two eggs in one basket.

I won't gamble that Corrik didn't scan sheep inno, unless it's a final 3 with me and sheep and (insert player here).

I think Han is town based on his body of work this game.

Are we working with a theory of 3 or 4 scum?
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Fortunately, we're not scum, and that should be proven when scum has to start killing us. That's why I'd like to not mass claim today
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I think 3 scum and MAYBE third party. IGCD has had third party in every one of his games.

No way it's 4 imo. Chris is pushing that because he wants to not look bad as a third type of scanner :|
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Han why are you voting me.

Shouldn't your han gut have fixed itself by now? Or is it just going to be wrong all day?

Because I want you to claim now because I don't think you have a claim ready.

I am the waywards sisters and I am vanilla.

Group of witches who win with Humans.

Thus I've been pluralizing flavor(s) etc because my flavor is a group.

Everyone else has these absurd roles and I get nothing.

I found it kind of odd FD acts like this is a breadcrumb or something, when he only started doing it in the fifteen minutes before he claimed. Like okay cool I guess that's when you picked your flavor out?
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