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ZMythos
10/21/18 1:00:31 PM
#51:


knuxnole posted...
....ok?

A man is a man. A woman is a woman. So what?

What about men with vaginas and women with penises?

What about people without either?
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Bio1590
10/21/18 1:01:33 PM
#52:


Antifar posted...
Here's the thing: much like other moves by the Trump administration, this is pretty unpopular among the public. Like, near the end of the 2016 primaries, Ted Cruz tried to play up the bathroom issue, and even GOP voters didn't care. NC voted out a Republican governor (while voting Trump!) largely because he was behind a dumbass bathroom bill.

But was that necessarily because they hated the idea of the bill or was it more because it was drastically impacting the state economically? Cause like hell they didn't even fully repeal it iirc.
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known2FAIL
10/21/18 1:16:56 PM
#53:


Spam_n_eggs posted...
known2FAIL posted...
That's what genders are though. It's determined by what you have at birth. It's always been like that. You don't put a question mark on the birth certificate to give time for the baby to decide what gender they want to be later. Gender is a scientific term.

I just don't get it myself. That's like saying I'm official a White Man because I bleached my skin like Micheal Jackson


I dont disagree with you on the birth certificate stuff.

But the reason he is doing it is so they can be legally discriminated in life, eg a sign in a restaurant saying no dogs and no transsexuals, or someone getting fired for being a transexual.

Its scary in the sense that gays are next, obviously.

About the part in bold: all Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal needed to do to become white has changing their name?


Yea that's crazy. Just because I believe your gender should be what your born with doesn't mean I believe people should be discriminated against for wanting to be a Trans. I just find all the different labels silly
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alt_no_1_loves
10/21/18 1:21:21 PM
#54:


President of petty pandering with pointless policies!
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Spam_n_eggs
10/21/18 1:23:05 PM
#55:


BLAKUboy posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
... not sure what your point is

It's SMAL, he doesn't have a point.


Oh is that the guy who scanned his sisters (low) paycheck and pretended it was his? Hahaha
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OctilIery
10/21/18 1:23:26 PM
#56:


knuxnole posted...
....ok?

A man is a man. A woman is a woman. So what?

Wrong.
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Spam_n_eggs
10/21/18 1:23:42 PM
#57:


known2FAIL posted...
Spam_n_eggs posted...
known2FAIL posted...
That's what genders are though. It's determined by what you have at birth. It's always been like that. You don't put a question mark on the birth certificate to give time for the baby to decide what gender they want to be later. Gender is a scientific term.

I just don't get it myself. That's like saying I'm official a White Man because I bleached my skin like Micheal Jackson


I dont disagree with you on the birth certificate stuff.

But the reason he is doing it is so they can be legally discriminated in life, eg a sign in a restaurant saying no dogs and no transsexuals, or someone getting fired for being a transexual.

Its scary in the sense that gays are next, obviously.

About the part in bold: all Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal needed to do to become white has changing their name?


Yea that's crazy. Just because I believe your gender should be what your born with doesn't mean I believe people should be discriminated against for wanting to be a Trans. I just find all the different labels silly


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BruceWayneJr
10/21/18 1:26:09 PM
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Well, it was just a matter of time. The banning of trans from the military fell through, so they're doing the next best thing and pretending they don't exist.

Everyone (that isn't a white male christian) gets a few turns on Christian Terrorism Roulette.
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CircleOfManias
10/21/18 1:26:12 PM
#59:


ZMythos posted...

Other physical characteristics as well as Brain chemistry play a significant role.


And the brain chemistry of a transgender woman matches the brain chemistry of a biological woman. It's literally a birth defect where the body formed as the wrong sex. "Feelings" have nothing to do with it, it's a physical mismatch between the body and the brain.
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COVxy
10/21/18 1:26:25 PM
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Seems to me that he's playing to his base. Transgenderism is too weird for them to think about rationally, so hearing someone else say "hey, that weird shit doesn't matter" is probably validating.
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tennisdude818
10/21/18 1:32:14 PM
#61:


The below is edgy in 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z9s_bimnw" data-time="

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Bat22
10/21/18 1:38:08 PM
#62:


LGB always made more sense to me. With LGBT, one of these is not like the others.
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ZMythos
10/21/18 1:38:37 PM
#63:


tennisdude818 posted...
The below is edgy in 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z9s_bimnw" data-time="

It's almost like there's been new studies and findings in science over the past 20 years and that we shouldn't rely on outdated children shows to explain what is now a complex topic in a simplified manner.
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CyricZ
10/21/18 1:44:20 PM
#64:


known2FAIL posted...
Just because I believe your gender should be what your born with doesn't mean I believe people should be discriminated against for wanting to be a Trans

This is exactly what this action is looking to allow. Or at least remove from prohibition.

Bat22 posted...
LGB always made more sense to me. With LGBT, one of these is not like the others.

It's a solidarity thing, mostly.

That's not to say that there aren't homosexual people that are fine with turning on transgender people.
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tennisdude818
10/21/18 1:48:18 PM
#65:


ZMythos posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
The below is edgy in 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z9s_bimnw" data-time="

It's almost like there's been new studies and findings in science over the past 20 years and that we shouldn't rely on outdated children shows to explain what is now a complex topic in a simplified manner.


Depends on where you're coming from. If it's "the penis isn't a male organ, and there at 10,000 genders" then no. If it's "a person can have the brain of a female and the body of a male" then ok, but it becomes impossible to call somebody like James Damore a evil bigot while simultaneously acknowledging that the male and female brains are different.
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EliteLevel
10/21/18 1:48:25 PM
#66:


OctilIery posted...
knuxnole posted...
....ok?

A man is a man. A woman is a woman. So what?

Wrong.


Enlighten us.
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COVxy
10/21/18 1:52:15 PM
#67:


tennisdude818 posted...
Depends on where you're coming from. If it's "the penis isn't a male organ, and there at 10,000 genders" then no. If it's "a person can have the brain of a female and the body of a male" then ok, but it becomes impossible to call somebody like James Damore a evil bigot while simultaneously acknowledging that the male and female brains are different.


You should really try to step outside your partisan bubble.
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Darkman124
10/21/18 1:53:27 PM
#68:


this is step 1

step 2 is making existing passports of transgender people invalid

step 3 is not letting them get new ones
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CyricZ
10/21/18 1:54:29 PM
#69:


We never really leave the argument of "but do transgender people REALLY exist?" do we?
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Spam_n_eggs
10/21/18 1:55:21 PM
#70:


Darkman124 posted...
this is step 1

step 2 is making existing passports of transgender people invalid

step 3 is not letting them get new ones


Pretty much what they are doing to Hispanics not born in specific hospitals huh?
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Irregardless
10/21/18 1:55:27 PM
#71:


Darkman124 posted...
this is step 1

step 2 is making existing passports of transgender people invalid

step 3 is not letting them get new ones

Or instead we take your passport and then kick you into a volcano
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Spam_n_eggs
10/21/18 1:59:07 PM
#72:


Darkman124 posted...
this is step 1

step 2 is making existing passports of transgender people invalid

step 3 is not letting them get new ones


And on second thought, this is terrifying.

Say somebody chopped the pecker. Then he/she/xir tries to renew passport and they deny it because the passport says male but this person looks like a girl but has no pecker

This is almost certain to happen. And their argument will be amazingly stupid: we are not denying you a passport. Prove you have s penis and you will get your passport that says youre male
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refmon
10/21/18 1:59:50 PM
#73:


Vicious_Dios posted...
I have no problem with this.

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Sayoria
10/21/18 2:33:46 PM
#75:


I want this fucker to get his ass beat badly.
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CyricZ
10/21/18 2:39:46 PM
#76:


TheRealDill2000 posted...
3) There are plenty of obvious benefits for this change.

I know you're a gimmick, but damn it if I'm not curious as to how you'd plan to elaborate on this.
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Xavius
10/21/18 2:43:41 PM
#77:


You are born a male or female. We should never encourage people like this.
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Bat22
10/21/18 2:48:28 PM
#78:


CyricZ posted...
Bat22 posted...
LGB always made more sense to me. With LGBT, one of these is not like the others.

It's a solidarity thing, mostly.

That's not to say that there aren't homosexual people that are fine with turning on transgender people.


Some might say it's turning on a part of their community. Some might say it's cutting a hanger-on or liability loose.
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creativerealms
10/21/18 2:51:09 PM
#79:


I stay out of this issue because I don't understand it.
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COVxy
10/21/18 2:55:53 PM
#80:


Bat22 posted...
Some might say it's turning on a part of their community. Some might say it's cutting a hanger-on or liability loose.


Why the vitriol?
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CyricZ
10/21/18 2:56:59 PM
#81:


Bat22 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Bat22 posted...
LGB always made more sense to me. With LGBT, one of these is not like the others.

It's a solidarity thing, mostly.

That's not to say that there aren't homosexual people that are fine with turning on transgender people.


Some might say it's turning on a part of their community. Some might say it's cutting a hanger-on or liability loose.

What about transgender people could be seen as a liability?
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Funbazooka
10/21/18 2:59:18 PM
#82:


Gender dysphoria should be treated with compassion but I do think this kinda stuff should be reigned back in to a reasonable degree to reflect a factual basis rather than pseudoscience.
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ZMythos
10/21/18 3:03:02 PM
#83:


Funbazooka posted...
Gender dysphoria should be treated with compassion but I do think this kinda stuff should be reigned back in to a reasonable degree to reflect a factual basis rather than pseudoscience.

It's already based in evidence and science.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm
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Bat22
10/21/18 3:03:15 PM
#84:


COVxy posted...
Bat22 posted...
Some might say it's turning on a part of their community. Some might say it's cutting a hanger-on or liability loose.


Why the vitriol?

No particular vitriol. I just don't buy what the transgender movement is selling, at least as the popular media presents it.

And when you mix sexual orientation with gender dysphoria, LGB reception and support is going to be more mixed and uncertain from the "cis" community.
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CyricZ
10/21/18 3:03:27 PM
#85:


Funbazooka posted...
Gender dysphoria should be treated with compassion but I do think this kinda stuff should be reigned back in to a reasonable degree to reflect a factual basis rather than pseudoscience.

Well, I'd be glad to hear what you believe is reasonable about discriminating against transgender people.
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Tyranthraxus
10/21/18 3:04:05 PM
#86:


Sayoria posted...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY" data-time="

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CyricZ
10/21/18 3:04:08 PM
#87:


Bat22 posted...
I just don't buy what the transgender movement is selling

What... identity? Happiness? Self-comfort?
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Sayoria
10/21/18 3:07:24 PM
#88:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Sayoria posted...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY" data-time="


I didn't say kill. I said beat.
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COVxy
10/21/18 3:07:33 PM
#89:


Bat22 posted...
No particular vitriol. I just don't buy what the transgender movement is selling, at least as the popular media presents it.


What is it that you think they are selling that you don't buy?
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Squall28
10/21/18 3:07:38 PM
#90:


known2FAIL posted...
That's what genders are though. It's determined by what you have at birth. It's always been like that. You don't put a question mark on the birth certificate to give time for the baby to decide what gender they want to be later. Gender is a scientific term.

I just don't get it myself. That's like saying I'm official a White Man because I bleached my skin like Micheal Jackson


What you're thinking about is biological sex. The word gender pretty much lost all meaning.
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Bat22
10/21/18 3:08:27 PM
#91:


CyricZ posted...
Bat22 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Bat22 posted...
LGB always made more sense to me. With LGBT, one of these is not like the others.

It's a solidarity thing, mostly.

That's not to say that there aren't homosexual people that are fine with turning on transgender people.


Some might say it's turning on a part of their community. Some might say it's cutting a hanger-on or liability loose.

What about transgender people could be seen as a liability?

Just that the transgender movement - with the aid of spineless liberals - has tried to get more people aboard the crazy train. Non-male or female bathrooms; men beating women in female sports and awards; coerced usage of pronouns and delusional belief systems... this kind of crap wasn't seen with LGB issues, which have likely suffered from their association with the T group.
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Tyranthraxus
10/21/18 3:09:31 PM
#92:


Sayoria posted...
I didn't say kill. I said beat.

Pretty sure that's still illegal.

But not illegal to say there's an unspecified group that meets under the Brooklyn Bridge to discuss off topic things.
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SSJCAT
10/21/18 3:09:44 PM
#93:


Sayoria posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Sayoria posted...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY" data-time="


I didn't say kill. I said beat.

is it illegal to say i would be ok with it if somebody killed him
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TheRealDill1999
10/21/18 3:11:31 PM
#94:


CyricZ posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
3) There are plenty of obvious benefits for this change.

I know you're a gimmick, but damn it if I'm not curious as to how you'd plan to elaborate on this.

Doesn't look like I will have the opportunity...
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CyricZ
10/21/18 3:15:12 PM
#95:


Bat22 posted...
Non-male or female bathrooms

There are still male and female bathrooms. What's your specific issue?
men beating women in female sports and awards

No one becomes transgender to win medals.
coerced usage of pronouns

No one's forcing anyone to use any particular pronoun. If someone says "please refer to me by this pronoun", it's not coercion, it's asking you to be nice.
delusional belief systems

Yeah, I'll just have to ask you to elaborate on this.
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CyricZ
10/21/18 3:15:33 PM
#96:


TheRealDill1999 posted...
CyricZ posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
3) There are plenty of obvious benefits for this change.

I know you're a gimmick, but damn it if I'm not curious as to how you'd plan to elaborate on this.

Doesn't look like I will have the opportunity...

I weep. Truly I do.
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Bat22
10/21/18 3:21:32 PM
#97:


COVxy posted...
Bat22 posted...
No particular vitriol. I just don't buy what the transgender movement is selling, at least as the popular media presents it.


What is it that you think they are selling that you don't buy?

The idea of gender and sex being separate topics. Ignoring the popularity of using those words synonymously, I hear so much about "gender" being metaphysical and yet transgenders appear to fixate on the physical, from appearing like conventional ladies in appearance to ongoing hormonal treatment for secondary sex characteristics to imitative physical surgery.

"True" transgenderism may in fact lie with the effeminate male or masculine female, and the androgynous or asexual individuals in the middle of the spectrum. Not this ideology of strong feelings over what's between one's legs.
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COVxy
10/21/18 3:23:41 PM
#98:


Bat22 posted...
I hear so much about "gender" being metaphysical


Naw, you really don't.
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Mist_Turnips
10/21/18 3:24:56 PM
#99:


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Bat22
10/21/18 3:26:51 PM
#100:


CyricZ posted...
Bat22 posted...
Non-male or female bathrooms

There are still male and female bathrooms. What's your specific issue?
men beating women in female sports and awards

No one becomes transgender to win medals.
coerced usage of pronouns

No one's forcing anyone to use any particular pronoun. If someone says "please refer to me by this pronoun", it's not coercion, it's asking you to be nice.
delusional belief systems

Yeah, I'll just have to ask you to elaborate on this.

I'm getting tired of carrying this discussion/argument/whatever so I'll leave it with this.

The LGB movement is for equal rights. The T movement is for accommodations which come off more as pampering.

A special bathroom for themselves, else be wary the lawsuits.

Allowance to compete against the opposite sex which promotes unfairness, whether it's a trans female trouncing natural females or a trans male trouncing natural females w/ the testosterone boost.

See Canada and liberal campuses.

See my previous post.
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APM
10/21/18 3:27:27 PM
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What's wrong with that?
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