Board 8 > Danganronpa M: Chapter 2 - The Game Within The Game #mafia

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htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

Did someone explain gladiator yet?

You have never seen one?

Gladiators pick two players, one of which is themselves.
All votes are reset and only votes on those two are counted for the rest of the day.

I happened to be the first (b8?) Gladiator, though I forget which game that was.

That role does sound familiar so maybe I have seen it. But it must have been forever ago.
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Nevermind the fact that Neab was about vote Doop, but didnt really because he forgot to unvote Kanz and then he shrugged.

Neab, who didnt you have as town by the end of the day?
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Han what was the post that made you know DYL is scum? There's always that one.

And other than proving that doop is a gladiator, what good is it really?

Let's say we Lynch his opponent and he's town. Does that mean oops we fucked up or oops doop is scum gladiator?

I'm failing to see how gladiator benefits us if we don't nail scum with it and there is no guarantee we will.
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and actually

Sheep basically said the same thing during the end of day1.

The argument for Kanz is partially PoE, lots of other townreads for me. Completely disappeared not too long before deadline, but after some quick stalking via profile I saw he voted in the character battle and was online recently. Not damning at all, but a small point against. He's lacked presence and not ticked town boxes. Furthermore, I wanted to see the way the votes would swing. You find out a hell of a lot from these end-day votals, after flips. A crappy stalemate between DYL/Scare, who I think could both be town, would not tell us as much as this could during later days.

Also, Neab feels insanely townie based on this EoD. Good boy.

This doesnt feel like a coincidence to me.
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Obellisk posted...

And other than proving that doop is a gladiator, what good is it really?

Let's say we Lynch his opponent and he's town. Does that mean oops we fucked up or oops doop is scum gladiator?

I'm failing to see how gladiator benefits us if we don't nail scum with it and there is no guarantee we will.

It doesnt prove anything other than the role. But there is no reason not to use it if we can find a good target in the first 36 hours of the day. (Like say someone has a copscan)
No matter what we dont let Doop pick his target, is basically what I am saying.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm going to guess that our host went hella hard into the flavor and Chris dying was the regular scum kill

That would be very in keeping with Danganronpa where first a culprit murders another student and then the class as a whole investigates names the guilty person (aka lynches them).

Those are my initial thoughts regarding the lack of night kill at least.

Interesting note. This is exactly the type of thing I was imagining day 1 when I asked if anyone with flavor knowledge had theories about how Chris might have died. I got chided for it, too. Granted, it's easier to make such a guess after seeing no death night 1.

turbopuns2 posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm going to guess that our host went hella hard into the flavor and Chris dying was the regular scum kill

That would be very in keeping with Danganronpa where first a culprit murders another student and then the class as a whole investigates names the guilty person (aka lynches them).

Those are my initial thoughts regarding the lack of night kill at least.

Interesting note. This is exactly the type of thing I was imagining day 1 when I asked if anyone with flavor knowledge had theories about how Chris might have died. I got chided for it, too. Granted, it's easier to make such a guess after seeing no death night 1.

That was me. I was the chide-or
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I could have sworn we had a scum dayvig a year back or so. Just with a lot caveats.
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Okay, we have a bit more time with any glad than I thought. You're right, SBell, we shouldn't use it unless we have a very good idea of potential scum, maybe lategame.

Oh hey Death saw what I was thinking this time. Yeah, Neab has been saying a lot of what I've been saying/thinking, some of which has been before I've said stuff and some of it after. To me, that indicates he's coming at everything with the same (or similar) viewpoint as me, which is the big reason I'm leaning Town on him. It's a little weird nobody called me out on it but took offence to Neab saying that.
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I won in F3 via scum Dayvig a couple months ago, in Ashe's TV Crossover Mafia
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That possible, Sheep. But I also think it could be scumNeab (perhaps subconsciously) picking up other players lingo to excuse why he stayed on Kanz.
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htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

And other than proving that doop is a gladiator, what good is it really?

Let's say we Lynch his opponent and he's town. Does that mean oops we fucked up or oops doop is scum gladiator?

I'm failing to see how gladiator benefits us if we don't nail scum with it and there is no guarantee we will.

It doesnt prove anything other than the role. But there is no reason not to use it if we can find a good target in the first 36 hours of the day. (Like say someone has a copscan)
No matter what we dont let Doop pick his target, is basically what I am saying.

OK that makes sense. However if it ends up being a town/town gladiate then I don't see how we use it to learn anything. It legit won't matter who scum sides with.

Done thinking about this for now. Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it
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And since you said it. That is a pretty bad looking post, Sheep. Though I understand why you voted Kanz.
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Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.
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Allthough, I doubt Doop is not a gladiator.
Pretty stupid to claim something you cant be or do.
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htaeD posted...

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

Pretty much this

Also this game is a really insane power game

By the way Death is probably but not definitely Town (oh, joy, another on that pile).
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Ahh crap

Chris was already a scanning role wasn't he

Scum points to Corrik
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Uh... town can have two scanning roles.
Especially when one can selfdestruct.

(also Corrik may be lying anyway)
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Sheep007 posted...

Ahh crap

Chris was already a scanning role wasn't he

Scum points to Corrik

Did Corrik full claim other than "I know how many people visited sheep"
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Lemme go through the claims so far hang on

1. HanOfTheNekos
2. SultanofSlam - Paranoid Roleblocker
3. DarkYoungLink - Sleepwalker
4. Obelisk
5. Neablis
6. Johnbob
7. Turbopuns2 - Vote after death
8. KanzarisKelshin
9. IfGodCouldDie
10. Htaed
11. Sheep
12. Forceful_Dragon
13. Doopliss_Power - Gladiator
14. Corrik - Motion Detector or whatever it's called

There's a pattern here - lots of potentially negative utility. Was feeling like there were more claims but Corrik also being a scanner is not out of the question.
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For the record I am starting to hate weird roles/names because it makes me feel stupid for not knowing them
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Day gambler is nuttily strong

And Corrik's claim is weird but I don't think it makes him scum especially with a red herring in there
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Hell his role is almost useless yet perfect for a trickster like Corrik.
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htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.
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Erh... 50 %??
That math seems entirely wrong.
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Sheep007 posted...

Day gambler is nuttily strong

Chris just called it a day gambler to be cute, because gambler is his favorite role.

He was a day hider. Which is weaker than a regular hider.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.

Except if it's town vs. Town.

Or if it's scum gladiator.

I don't see it as powerful.

I see it as a potebtial free pass for scum.

We will agree to disagree here.
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htaeD posted...

Erh... 50 %??
That math seems entirely wrong.

If the glad picks a scum there's a 50% chance of lynching scum and lynching town. You use glad when you're 300% sure that somebody is scum and they kerp slipping town's grasp. Obviously it's a role that scales hard with player skill.
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Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.

Except if it's town vs. Town.

Or if it's scum gladiator.

I don't see it as powerful.

I see it as a potebtial free pass for scum.

We will agree to disagree here.

Scum glad is a 50 50.

Its strong but high risk

If you cant see how you need to play more mafia
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Kanz did you just assume the glad has to be town and then correct yourself?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.

Except if it's town vs. Town.

Or if it's scum gladiator.

I don't see it as powerful.

I see it as a potebtial free pass for scum.

We will agree to disagree here.

Scum glad is a 50 50.

Its strong but high risk

If you cant see how you need to play more mafia

Are you saying a scum gladiator is dumb to scum gladiate so it's got to be town gladiator?

I feel like you are working with a lot of certainties
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htaeD posted...

Kanz did you just assume the glad has to be town and then correct yourself?

Yes to the former, no to the latter

If doop is scum glad I relish it because it means the scum is down a role tbqh - I wouldn't want Doop to use it and put himself on the spotlight, the chance of cracking is too high

But town glad is a risk for the town because the chances of a misfire are real. We want doop to have crystalline evidence on who's scum before he challenges
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

We want doop to have crystalline evidence on who's scum before he challenges

But we won't let him make that decision. It's now the collectives decision.

I think doop just whipping it out on whoever he wants would not look very good for him
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Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

htaeD posted...

Not seeing the pro town aspects of it over the pro scum aspects of it

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

No, glad is a really powerful role

Used right, it forces a situation where town only has a 50% chance of missing the scum, and realistically more than that if the gladiator has done his homework. It heavily varies based on the quality of the player at the wheel, but (DR1 spoilers) the final case is effectively an sk vs town glad where the townie ends up winning the challenge and the game with it. Gives a good idea of its value if used properly.

Except if it's town vs. Town.

Or if it's scum gladiator.

I don't see it as powerful.

I see it as a potebtial free pass for scum.

We will agree to disagree here.

Scum glad is a 50 50.

Its strong but high risk

If you cant see how you need to play more mafia

Are you saying a scum gladiator is dumb to scum gladiate so it's got to be town gladiator?

I feel like you are working with a lot of certainties

No, what I'm saying is scum glad is always risky

THE optimal strat for scum is to idle if allowed to. Shit that raises your profile is very dangerous unless you're superlative scum because it makes people look at your posts. Hence, scum glad is always a gamble. If it works yay, but if it doesn't that's a problem.
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Scumgladiators (I think) always claim gladiator though.
Because its not a role that can hide itself (like whoever killed chris did)
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Day gambler is nuttily strong

Chris just called it a day gambler to be cute, because gambler is his favorite role.

He was a day hider. Which is weaker than a regular hider.

I'm confused by the difference tbh
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Obellisk posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

We want doop to have crystalline evidence on who's scum before he challenges

But we won't let him make that decision. It's now the collectives decision.

I think doop just whipping it out on whoever he wants would not look very good for him

Like I said. Just hope for a scan or something. (Or we wait for a massclaim)
But we have to do it before we even think we're at Mylo
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If I were scum glad I would just claim vanilla. Less risky.
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Gamblers die when they target town is the difference.

Chris probably called it gambler to make himself seem stronger.
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Oh yeah hider is reverse gambler and dies to scum instead of town and has other stuff at night

Nvm brainfarted
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Sheep007 posted...

If I were scum glad I would just claim vanilla. Less risky.

Gladiators more often than not win the fight anyway. Its rarely invoked unless a player is already suspected by others. (Though I certainly picked the wrong target, sigh)
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I vaguely remember lynching the first glad I ever saw because they targeted cop
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Sheep007 posted...

Oh yeah hider is reverse gambler and dies to scum instead of town and has other stuff at night

Nvm brainfarted

A gambler kills their target, too.

If they target scum that is.

Yeah, I remembered that bit, just didn't bother because I was already very wrong.
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I was a gambler once... Killer 7 mafia I believe. Nailed Sceptile. Then I think got the next one wrong..

It feels good to not wake up dead.
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No offense death but its a bad argument that I am "picking" up on lingo when I have displayed I already know the lingo lol.

In any case I still am swamped at work will answer things when i can, if I miss any questions or not interacting when you want me to just ping me.

@Sheep007 I hope you are not thinking I am scum in a game I am reading you town in, I would hate for us to have to deal with this, what do you think about puns sheep?

I meant it more in the sense of 'picking up justifications already spoken'
Not in the sense of 'Neablis didnt even know what PoE meant before now'
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can anyone think of a reason off-hand that counters the notion of sbell, dyl, and neablis all being scum?