Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 205: A House Divided Senate Stand

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is revoking Jim Acosta's press pass:
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1060331883077296128

dont blame him
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Manchin is a moderate who has a spine. That's very different from a leftist without a spine who gives away the farm to Republicans in the name of bipartisanship. Democrats would do well to start noticing the difference.
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banananor posted...

Corrik posted...

BREAKING: PROTESTS CALLED FOR THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 8, 5 PM LOCAL TIME
Donald Trump has installed a crony to oversee the Special Counsel Trump-Russia investigation, crossing a red line set to protect the investigation. By replacing Rod Rosenstein with just-named Acting Attorney General Matt Whittaker as special counsel Robert Mueller's boss on the investigation, Trump has undercut the independence of the investigation. Whittaker has publicly outlined strategies to stifle the investigation and cannot be allowed to remain in charge of it. The Nobody Is Above the Law network demands that Whittaker immediately commit not to assume supervision of the investigation. Our hundreds of response events are being launched to demonstrate the public demand for action to correct this injustice. We will update this page as the situation develops.

lol

What's funny?

Flash protests spose to happen if Meuller is fired is being called for. It's funny.
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Corrik posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is revoking Jim Acosta's press pass:
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1060331883077296128

dont blame him

Acosta: Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on

Trump: Well thats true. They werent actors. They werent actors. Well no its true. Do you think they were actors? They werent actors. They didnt come from Hollywood. These were peoplethis was an actual, you know, it happened a few days ago and

Acosta: They are hundreds of miles away, though. They are hundreds and hundreds of miles away. That is not an invasion.

Trump: Honestly, I think you should let me run the country, you run CNN, and if you did it well, your ratings would be much better. Thats enough. Thats enough.

Acosta: One more question

Trump: Thats enough. Thats enough.

Acosta: If I may go ahead, on the Russia investigation, are you concerned that you may have indictments

Trump: I am not concerned about anything with the Russia investigation because its a hoax. Thats enough, put down the mic.

Acosta: Are you worried about indictments coming down in this investigation?

Trump: Ill tell you what, CNN should be ashamed of itself, having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person and should not be working for CNN. Go ahead.

Acosta: I think thats unfair.

Trump: You are very rude. The way you treat Sarah Huckabee is horrible and the way you treat other people are horrible. You shouldnt treat people that way.

is this the exchange you're talking about?
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banananor posted...

Corrik posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is revoking Jim Acosta's press pass:
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1060331883077296128

dont blame him

Acosta: Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on

Trump: Well thats true. They werent actors. They werent actors. Well no its true. Do you think they were actors? They werent actors. They didnt come from Hollywood. These were peoplethis was an actual, you know, it happened a few days ago and

Acosta: They are hundreds of miles away, though. They are hundreds and hundreds of miles away. That is not an invasion.

Trump: Honestly, I think you should let me run the country, you run CNN, and if you did it well, your ratings would be much better. Thats enough. Thats enough.

Acosta: One more question

Trump: Thats enough. Thats enough.

Acosta: If I may go ahead, on the Russia investigation, are you concerned that you may have indictments

Trump: I am not concerned about anything with the Russia investigation because its a hoax. Thats enough, put down the mic.

Acosta: Are you worried about indictments coming down in this investigation?

Trump: Ill tell you what, CNN should be ashamed of itself, having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person and should not be working for CNN. Go ahead.

Acosta: I think thats unfair.

Trump: You are very rude. The way you treat Sarah Huckabee is horrible and the way you treat other people are horrible. You shouldnt treat people that way.

is this the exchange you're talking about?

Watch it. I thought for sure he was going to walk out. CNN guy even admitted her was super aggressive.
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Have to be aggressive when the president is a liar who won't actually answer the press's questions
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Corrik posted...

banananor posted...

Corrik posted...

BREAKING: PROTESTS CALLED FOR THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 8, 5 PM LOCAL TIME
Donald Trump has installed a crony to oversee the Special Counsel Trump-Russia investigation, crossing a red line set to protect the investigation. By replacing Rod Rosenstein with just-named Acting Attorney General Matt Whittaker as special counsel Robert Mueller's boss on the investigation, Trump has undercut the independence of the investigation. Whittaker has publicly outlined strategies to stifle the investigation and cannot be allowed to remain in charge of it. The Nobody Is Above the Law network demands that Whittaker immediately commit not to assume supervision of the investigation. Our hundreds of response events are being launched to demonstrate the public demand for action to correct this injustice. We will update this page as the situation develops.

lol

What's funny?

Flash protests spose to happen if Meuller is fired is being called for. It's funny.

That's just factually incorrect, or "fake news". They were to happen if Mueller or Rosenstein were taken off of the investigation.
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Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS
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Holy shit Corrik you're such a Trump mark. Why did you EVER try to pretend you wouldn't suck his dick?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol
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Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.
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Corrik posted...

Watch it. I thought for sure he was going to walk out. CNN guy even admitted her was super aggressive.

okay, i just did. is this the exchange you were talking about?

edit: without commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmUAb4Ot_Iw" data-time="
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Honestly Corrik, if you think that is too aggressive for a journalist I don't know what to say. One would have to have a pretty thin skin to not be able to deal with those basic questions.
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banananor posted...

Corrik posted...

Watch it. I thought for sure he was going to walk out. CNN guy even admitted her was super aggressive.

okay, i just did. is this the exchange you were talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD89gZArVWg#t=3m50s

edit: without commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmUAb4Ot_Iw" data-time="

If this is the exchange in question, Trump started the hostilities first by going "Here we go, c'mon, c'mon" and rushing him along before he even heard his question, so...
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Like, this is seriously pathetic. I really want you to defend yourself, Corrik. Did you not watch the exchange? Are you trying to Ulti this one?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.

If you can't act properly, then send someone else who can act properly. Refusing to give the mic to the next person and brushing off the aide just trying to get the microphone is just childish.
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Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.

If you can't act properly, then send someone else who can act properly. Refusing to give the mic to the next person and brushing off the aide just trying to get the microphone is just childish.

And Trump's behavior at the beginning of that exchange wasn't?
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I don't know why you guys bother fighting Corrik over stuff like this. He's proven himself to be a hypocrite over and over.
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This is just one of the dumbest stances he's ever taken. How does anybody give him the time of day? Anybody who engages Corrik after a statement like that is going to have to seriously explain themselves.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.

If you can't act properly, then send someone else who can act properly. Refusing to give the mic to the next person and brushing off the aide just trying to get the microphone is just childish.

And Trump's behavior at the beginning of that exchange wasn't?

If you don't like Trump's behavior, then don't go. It is his press conference lol.

If you come to my house and you act aggressive with me, I am not going to invite you back.

If you feel I was causing the issue, then don't come to my house.

Like, this is pretty common sense.
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What...the fuck...
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The problem with the press is that they have log ago shed professionalism for sensationalism and doing whatever they can to make a story.

At the end of the day, while CNN should have a right to be there, that specific reporter doesn't. If he cannot follow directions and maintain professionalism, he doesn't have to be allowed there.

He won't be the first or the last president to be absolutely livid or annoyed with the press. He may have responded the strongest, but it is hardly the first to respond sharply. No matter the political affiliation.
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How long are you guys going to continue to be surprised by this

Suprak the Stud posted...

To emphasize how incredible Tester's win is, 538 last year complied a list of senators and how often they voted with Trump. Then, estimated how often they should vote with Trump based on the partisanship of their state.

A lot of Democrats that got picked off yesterday were disproportionately voting against Trump. Nelson was a measly -13.8. McCaskill was a -38.4. Donnelly was a -29.8. Heitkamp was a -37.8. A lot of those a very out of line with their states.

Tester was a whopping -48.2. No one else even comes CLOSE. The next closes is Sherrod Brown (hey another win yesterday) at -40.6. He is almost eight full points more off than his next closest competitor.

He voted against every single health care measure the republicans undertook. He voted against Kavanaugh without any of that "oh I might who knows tee hee" like a lot of red state democrats. He voted against Haspel. He voted for net neutrality. He voted against Pompeo. Against Pruitt. Against Mulvaney. Against Mnuchin and Price and Sessions and literally every single controversial White House appointment you can think off. Against the White House immigration proposal but for the bipartisan bill. Against all the tax codes. For sanctions. And on and on like this.

He voted against Neil Gorsuch. Democrats got hammered on attack over attack for voting against Kavanaugh, and he (from a +20 R state) voted against Gorsuch. AND WON.

He had a mere 36.7 voting with Trump record on what 538 considers important votes. In contrast, Manchin had 60% (and voted for a lot of those things above that Tester did not). That puts him a mere two points above such conservative senators as Tim Kaine and Thomas Carper. Machin is actually closer to Rand Paul than he is Tester.

Tester is pro abortion, pro LGBT rights, in a state that Trump won by 20. He single handedly dismantled Trump's attempt to head the VA with someone he desperately wanted. And Trump did every thing in his power to unseat Tester. In a state that love Trump, Trump actively campaigned against him for months.

And he won. Gg Montana I love you.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

Candidate quality matters. Jon Testeris and always has been a fucking badass. The man is missing several fingers from an accident learning how to butcher animals. He's an organic farmer in a state where thats big big business.

And as it turns out having the courage of your convictions is something that matters too. Compare him vs a fucking snake like Donnelly or a senile idiot like Nelson and people respond
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Trump is the President of the United States. He should act responsibly and level-headed at all times. That he hasn't, is an indictment on his job as President. If he can't handle it, he shouldn't run for office.
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Corrik posted...

The problem with the press is that they have log ago shed professionalism for sensationalism and doing whatever they can to make a story.

At the end of the day, while CNN should have a right to be there, that specific reporter doesn't. If he cannot follow directions and maintain professionalism, he doesn't have to be allowed there.

He won't be the first or the last president to be absolutely livid or annoyed with the press. He may have responded the strongest, but it is hardly the first to respond sharply. No matter the political affiliation.

CNN does not have the right to be there. If that reporter was unprofessional, he was probably following orders from management at CNN, which is sensationalist garbage.
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Samurai7 posted...

I don't know why you guys bother fighting Corrik over stuff like this. He's proven himself to be a hypocrite over and over.

Paratroopa1 posted...

How long are you guys going to continue to be surprised by this

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Have to be aggressive when the president is a liar who won't actually answer the press's questions

Yeah... but Obamas gone, and the commies never coming back.... so... no worries then.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.

If you can't act properly, then send someone else who can act properly. Refusing to give the mic to the next person and brushing off the aide just trying to get the microphone is just childish.

And Trump's behavior at the beginning of that exchange wasn't?

Only ONE of them has to be there, stop making this about Trump troll!

CNN can send anyone (the whole networks pass should be revoked though) the President can only send the President.
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WrestIeMania posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.

If you can't act properly, then send someone else who can act properly. Refusing to give the mic to the next person and brushing off the aide just trying to get the microphone is just childish.

And Trump's behavior at the beginning of that exchange wasn't?

Only ONE of them has to be there, stop making this about Trump troll!

CNN can send anyone (the whole networks pass should be revoked though) the President can only send the President.

Welp, you sure didn't last long. You've proven countless times yet again that you can't be anything but a child. On the ignore list forever.

Don't ask to be treated with respect if you're gonna act like the same asshole. My mistake, of course.
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Yes Corrik. The fact that we have a president who will mock reporters, blatantly dismiss their questions, and revoke their privileges for bringing up topics he doesn't like while simultaneously rallying with reporters that are willing to suck up to him is a seriously fucking big deal.
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It really is funny how far up Trumps butt Seph and Corrik have crawled
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Jakyl25 posted...

It really is pathetic how far up Trumps butt Seph and Corrik have crawled

StealThisSheen posted...

WrestIeMania posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh no reporters being aggressive with questions poor POTUS

Oh no complaining that someone is taken press rights off of someone being aggressive with them! lol

Well, yes. The WH taking somebody's press pass away because the President is too much of a liar and a coward to actually answer questions is pretty ludicrous, you're right.

If you can't act properly, then send someone else who can act properly. Refusing to give the mic to the next person and brushing off the aide just trying to get the microphone is just childish.

And Trump's behavior at the beginning of that exchange wasn't?

Only ONE of them has to be there, stop making this about Trump troll!

CNN can send anyone (the whole networks pass should be revoked though) the President can only send the President.

Welp, you sure didn't last long. You've proven countless times yet again that you can't be anything but a child. On the ignore list forever.

Don't ask to be treated with respect if you're gonna act like the same asshole. My mistake, of course.

SEP, its MWC

The dude has 8 handguns strategically placed on top of a cabinet and thinks we should annex Mexico

Court jesters are allowed
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pyresword posted...

Yes Corrik. The fact that we have a president who will mock reporters, blatantly dismiss their questions, and revoke their privileges for bringing up topics he doesn't like while simultaneously rallying with reporters that are willing to suck up to him is a seriously fucking big deal.

He revoked his pass because he stopped (the reporter) acting with professionalism it would dictate to be there. And before you again say but Trump!!!!

It is not a right to be in that room, its a privilege. The President isnt remotely obligated to talk to him. And once he shut him down the first time, that should have been it. Personally Trump gave him too much slack. Should have had his mic shut off and removed from the building.
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pyresword posted...

Yes Corrik. The fact that we have a president who will mock reporters, blatantly dismiss their questions, and revoke their privileges for bringing up topics he doesn't like while simultaneously rallying with reporters that are willing to suck up to him is a seriously fucking big deal.

Won't be the first to do basically everything you just said. Nor the last.

Harry Truman

https://nypost.com/2017/05/17/harry-truman-trashed-the-media-long-before-donald-trump/

Presidents and the members of their Cabinets and their staff members have been slandered and misrepresented since George Washingtonwhen the press is friendly to an administration the opposition has been lied about and treated to the excrescence [sic] of paid prostitutes of the mind.

Thomas Jefferson

"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle," Jefferson opined in 1807.

and

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, in as much as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors."

Ronald Reagan

"Every president will try to use the press to his best advantage and to avoid those situations that aren't to his advantage," Reagan said during the 1988 White House Correspondents Dinner. "The press can take care of itself quite nicely, and a president should be able to take care of himself as well."

He added: "What I hope my epitaph will be with the White House correspondents what every president's epitaph should be with the press is this: 'He gave as good as he got.' And that I think will make for a healthy press and a healthy presidency."

Theodore Roosevelt

Though hed later call Sinclair and other journalists like him muckrakers, Roosevelt used the press to his advantage, giving reporters information on Sunday and then basing his decisions on how the public reacted to the Monday papers. So-called muckraker Lincoln Steffens maintained that congressmen went along with Roosevelt because he was the leader of public opinion and they were afraid of facing retribution if they defied him.

Woodrow Wilson

Wilson curtailed freedom of the press. He did this through a dual strategy of censorship and propaganda.

Wilson wanted authority to exercise censorship over the Press to the extent that that censorshipis absolutely necessary to the public safety. However, the Senate and House of Representatives didnt share that opinion. Thanks to the efforts of three Republican senators, the censorship provisions Wilson wanted were never enacted.

https://www.history.com/news/presidents-relationship-with-press

Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton publicly condemned purveyors of hatred and division on the public air waves.

Many presidents on both sides of the aisle since Washington had issues with the press. Just because Trump is meeting it more head on, doesn't make this something new. But, recency bias and all that.
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Something tells me that this strategy is a lot less effective when your people are openly talking about it:

https://twitter.com/philiprucker/status/1060331173103190017?s=21
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Something tells me that this strategy is a lot less effective when your people are openly talking about it:

https://twitter.com/philiprucker/status/1060331173103190017?s=21

I feel this is treason...

It seems like telling the public confidential information from the joint chief of staffs is absolutely treason.
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Jakyl25 posted...

SEP, its MWC

The dude has 8 handguns strategically placed on top of a cabinet and thinks we should annex Mexico

Court jesters are allowed

tagging wrestlemania as 'court jester'
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WrestIeMania posted...

pyresword posted...

Yes Corrik. The fact that we have a president who will mock reporters, blatantly dismiss their questions, and revoke their privileges for bringing up topics he doesn't like while simultaneously rallying with reporters that are willing to suck up to him is a seriously fucking big deal.

He revoked his pass because he stopped (the reporter) acting with professionalism it would dictate to be there. And before you again say but Trump!!!!

It is not a right to be in that room, its a privilege. The President isnt remotely obligated to talk to him. And once he shut him down the first time, that should have been it. Personally Trump gave him too much slack. Should have had his mic shut off and removed from the building.

Trump, as chief executive elected by the American people, has an obligation to the American people to be transparent about what's happening in the country and the way he's running it, in this instance by fairly and reasonably submitting himself to questioning by the press. Intentionally acting belligerent and confrontational and then banning reporters from further questioning after the exchange inevitably escalates is not in line with that obligation. To clarify one point, I am saying that Trump was far out of line long before you're claiming Acosta started acting unprofessional (which might not be a claim I would dispute, in fairness).

Corrik, the fact that Trump is not the first person in all of human history to attempt to manipulate and destroy freedom of the press does not make it ok for Trump to also do that. Also most (not all, admittedly) of those appear to be more mundane criticisms and not a component of a full-fledged campaign to dismantle the free press, as is the case with my accusations of Trump.
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If he thought he could get away with it Trump would replace Nielsen with Kobach:

https://twitter.com/elianayjohnson/status/1060339840821149697?s=21
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I would never underestimate Congressional Democrats' ability to ruin their own prospects, but I can't see them not presenting a unified front in the House. It isn't like Republicans are suddenly going to try to compromise.
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The GOP is losing like 35+ seats in the House and gaining like 2-3 in the Senate. That is not a win for Trump.
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banananor posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

SEP, its MWC

The dude has 8 handguns strategically placed on top of a cabinet and thinks we should annex Mexico

Court jesters are allowed

tagging wrestlemania as 'court jester'

Is that really better than Vulgar Hamster though?
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https://twitter.com/shahed/status/1060200569590214656?s=21

If you feel sad today, just imagine Mike Pence swearing 2 women into Congress with the Qur'an

This thought did in fact make me feel better
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LordoftheMorons posted...

The GOP is losing like 35+ seats in the House and gaining like 2-3 in the Senate. That is not a win for Trump.

Yes it was...
But if youre still in denial maybe youll shut up in two years when it goes

Reelection
+50
+2
+6
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/shahed/status/1060200569590214656?s=21

If you feel sad today, just imagine Mike Pence swearing 2 women into Congress with the Qur'an

This thought did in fact make me feel better

KILLJOY WARNING

Its also factually incorrect as both of those are house members and Pence only swears in Senators
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