Board 8 > Danganronpa M - CHAPTER 3: Use Your Noodle

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Also if Han isn't scum Puns and Corrik both probably are, or at least one is.
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Sheep007 posted...

Also if Han isn't scum Puns and Corrik both probably are, or at least one is.

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Corrik and Han are not both (Town) investigation roles.

I would say Puns is scum in general, actually.
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Sheep007 posted...

I still feel really good about Neab, and as with DYL what reason does he have to claim to have visited FD if he didn't? Plus he is absolutely confirmed to be inventor, unless we were scum together and I was stupid enough to link us together in that way (I wouldn't be).

He could be scum inventor who night 2 put in the night kill instead of invented. He could also be a scum jack. Etc.
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Like I flat out completely and utterly refuse the possibility that neither Han or Corrik are lying about their roles.
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Corrik posted...

He could be scum inventor who night 2 put in the night kill instead of invented. He could also be a scum jack. Etc

Theoretically yes, but how likely do you think that is?
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Sheep007 posted...

Corrik and Han are not both (Town) investigation roles.

I would say Puns is scum in general, actually.

Oh yeah. I agree. Han and Chris together would be a weird combination.

Han never even mentioned who he targeted night 1 and night 2 did he? He just said he was roleblocked and nothing else.
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Han said he targeted Neab N1
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Also, opinions on whether it's worth massclaiming today since we can't lynch anyone who is still left to claim?
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Sheep007 posted...

Corrik posted...

He could be scum inventor who night 2 put in the night kill instead of invented. He could also be a scum jack. Etc

Theoretically yes, but how likely do you think that is?

I don't think it is anything that would fall into the realm of too unlikely.

Basically 3 options here.

1. Neab is scum inventor who killed FD.
2. DYL is a scum flavor cop or something that put in the kill night 2 on FD.
3. A ninja killed FD.

For scenarios 1 and 2, it means either Han is scum whose nightkill was blocked or that Kanz is town and the nightkill shot into the jailkeep at Han and thus failed (or was blocked another way). Then Neab or DYL put in the night kill night 2.

3. Means that everyone involved with FD is town. Because scum wouldn't target someone with 2 roles on the same night. Making FD, DYL, and Neab town.
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Sheep007 posted...

Han said he targeted Neab N1

But he didn't say who he targeted night 2 which I feel a cop would say that right away when saying they were roleblocked.
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Also, I understand my vote on Han yesterday was awful. I thought he was Town at the time but trusted him if he was Town to do enough to get out of it unless the information against him became even more compelling, plus I knew Kanz was probably hiding something up his sleeve. I figured with the chance Han was scum, better to have my vote there than somewhere completely random and useless, or not having one at all. I was considering voting Puns but it was only for a flavour cop scan and I panicked a little since I had to go really quickly.
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I can't pay attention much for probably most of this day but I'm available if people want to address me about something @ me

Corrik posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Corrik posted...

He could be scum inventor who night 2 put in the night kill instead of invented. He could also be a scum jack. Etc

Theoretically yes, but how likely do you think that is?

I don't think it is anything that would fall into the realm of too unlikely.

Basically 3 options here.

1. Neab is scum inventor who killed FD.
2. DYL is a scum flavor cop or something that put in the kill night 2 on FD.
3. A ninja killed FD.

For scenarios 1 and 2, it means either Han is scum whose nightkill was blocked or that Kanz is town and the nightkill shot into the jailkeep at Han and thus failed (or was blocked another way). Then Neab or DYL put in the night kill night 2.

3. Means that everyone involved with FD is town. Because scum wouldn't target someone with 2 roles on the same night. Making FD, DYL, and Neab town.

I think the third one is the most likely. First of all, flavour cop should've been burned on FFNut, as it's literally useless in a game like this. DYL isn't role cop, isn't poisoner, probably isn't roleblocker, isn't ninja... Can't think of any other major scum role that would have motivation to visit me which doesn't kill. Option one is more likely to be right, but I just don't think Neab is scum and I don't see scum inventor as that likely. Scum Ninja, on the other hand, is almost certain if you aren't lying. And I don't think you're faking having your night action, since it'd be a godly guess.
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And as I said, if you aren't scum, since you likely aren't lying about being whatever you said, Han almost certainly is. Godfather flipping is all that's throwing me.
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That would also make Han scum Ninja since according to you nobody else visited FD and Ninja should be putting in the kills every day. Would also explain why Han (a more prominent/bigger target for jailer than quieter players) would have inputted a potential kill. This may be confirmation bias speaking now, but I feel I'm convincing myself Han is scum. Really need to hear from him.
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Well, I mean, logically I can't really be scum.

It would mean night 1 I used a scum watcher on you (sheep). Saw them both visit. Then night 2 I picked the same exact target as Neab and DYL again. Again saw them both go there. And, also, as scum visited the same target as the night kill there making two actions against the same target from the scum team.. That of course is never going to happen.
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Sheep007 posted...

That would also make Han scum Ninja since according to you nobody else visited FD and Ninja should be putting in the kills every day. Would also explain why Han (a more prominent/bigger target for jailer than quieter players) would have inputted a potential kill. This may be confirmation bias speaking now, but I feel I'm convincing myself Han is scum. Really need to hear from him.

I don't think Han 100% has to be scum, but it is super unlikely his role exists with Chris'. But, mine and Chris' roles did have drawbacks of sorts, so it is possible.
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I mean, there's a chance you could be scum, but after typing this out I feel much less bad about you. Which means Han is lying or this game is utterly broken.

Also you would likely just claim watcher and nuke Neab/DYL as scum assuming they were town
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That said, I think Han is probably scum and said so myself yesterday when I uncharacteristically was okay with lynching an uncountered cop claim who claimed with unclaimeds on the board (which is usually a surefire town confirmation. Or suicidal scum).
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Sheep007 posted...

I mean, there's a chance you could be scum, but after typing this out I feel much less bad about you. Which means Han is lying or this game is utterly broken.

Also you would likely just claim watcher and nuke Neab/DYL as scum assuming they were town

That doesn't explain why I as scum would visit FD on the same night we killed him. It still doesn't logically add up for me to be scum in that scenario. Why would I watch the person we are killing? Lol
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Corrik posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I mean, there's a chance you could be scum, but after typing this out I feel much less bad about you. Which means Han is lying or this game is utterly broken.

Also you would likely just claim watcher and nuke Neab/DYL as scum assuming they were town

That doesn't explain why I as scum would visit FD on the same night we killed him. It still doesn't logically add up for me to be scum in that scenario. Why would I watch the person we are killing? Lol

I was thinking that it might be to attempt to murder whoever else may have been on him (DYL and Neab). Which you didn't do. Even that was a bit of a stretch, but I would like to consider every possibility. Anyway, all that makes you Town, which was my point.
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If we dont have a cop, then we dont have a scanner without drawbacks though.

Also scum did have a godfather, which implies a cop-like role has to exist somewhere.
(and I cant see a scum fakeclaiming cop, knowing they have a godfather on their side.)

Normally I wouldnt be against a massclaim. I just dont see what good it does after what doop did. Also we just lynched one scum, so we should still have breathing room.
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I need to reread yesterday's end, I read it twice during night but I think I should have another look.
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I would not massclaim today, today is about me v doop I g uess.

mass claim does not help anyone except scum.

If doop ability is real

I mean, in theory anything can exist if the scum team is powerful enough to offset it. I just think it is unlikely.
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Han lying doesnt track with last night's votes

Think with votals my dudes, he's town
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Also sheep on my scumlist again for suggesting mass on gladday

Cmon son
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If Han is to flip scum Kanz would be worth looking at

Corrik posted...

That said, I think Han is probably scum and said so myself yesterday when I uncharacteristically was okay with lynching an uncountered cop claim who claimed with unclaimeds on the board (which is usually a surefire town confirmation. Or suicidal scum).

Well if Han is scum so is Kanz

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Seriously

Han, there's something I can do to save you but it's not happening without a claim. I am as serious about this as I was about the fact I blocked you last night. If you want to live, you have to trust. Do you?

KanzarisKelshen posted...

All I wanted to know. Because I didn't just roleblock you. My roleblocking action...was also an action to protect you from nightkills!

##Unvote
##Vote: Sbell

I kept this in my pocket because I needed to know, beyond reasonable doubt, that I could trust you Han. Now I do. Let's chase this lead and see where it goes.

Or atleast that's what I got outta this I could be totally off the wall wrong though
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Also also

If han is lying sbells godfather is totally worthless

Han is town he just is. Stop trying to cast shade on the cop.
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DOOPLISS HAS ISSUED A CHESS MATCH AGAINST NEABLIS

The two will now compete for the rest of the day. The loser shall be chosen as guilty.

You may only vote for either Neablis or Doopliss for the rest of the day, and votals were reset before the chess match was began
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I admit, the game size is slightly smaller than usual, so my expectations may be off by one degree.
But I still consider it plausible.

It is odd though that Han didnt specify a N2 target.

Also just for the record: did you state your full talent flavor yet, Corrik?
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Though on the flip side corrik could totally be scum for trying to go after the cop. Lots of plays based of this little discussion
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[1] Doopliss - Sheep
[0] Neabliss

I know Neablis has one S, but it's fitting
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Corrik is very unlikely to be scum and going after the Cop is absolutely the right play.

How do votals indicate Han cannot be scum, Kanz?
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Sultan, why on earth would Kanz put Han in a near lynch situation to begin with if they are both scum?
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Pre-chess match votals

[3] Doopliss - Johnbobb, Kanz, Sheep
[1] Neablis - DYL

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htaeD posted...

I admit, the game size is slightly smaller than usual, so my expectations may be off by one degree.
But I still consider it plausible.

It is odd though that Han didnt specify a N2 target.

Also just for the record: did you state your full talent flavor yet, Corrik?

I don't think I stated anything really.
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I don't think Kanz and Han are both scum, but there's a small chance. Kanz had a very strong D2 and him leading the charge on SBell seems unlikely to me if he is scum. Could've easily gone for anyone else.
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Sheep007 posted...

Corrik is very unlikely to be scum and going after the Cop is absolutely the right play.

How do votals indicate Han cannot be scum, Kanz?

I absolutely agree with you there Corrik has been my top town read so far but I really dont want to list it out yet beacuse I'm still trying to figure things out.. (taking the sheep advice you gave me a couple games back)
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I've seen you're taking the advice, Sultan, it'll definitely help you improve. The fact you went back for those Kanz quotes was showing you're critically thinking and that's always Town points from me

Plus the guy you replaced was really Town so that's handy
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htaeD posted...

Sultan, why on earth would Kanz put Han in a near lynch situation to begin with if they are both scum?

Throw people off since he hid a plan to avoid han lynch though like I said it is kind of off the wall thinking
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Corrik posted...

htaeD posted...

I admit, the game size is slightly smaller than usual, so my expectations may be off by one degree.
But I still consider it plausible.

It is odd though that Han didnt specify a N2 target.

Also just for the record: did you state your full talent flavor yet, Corrik?

I don't think I stated anything really.

Well I presume you are at least sticking with what you've claimed so far.
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Well this conversation can pick up later but the chest match has begun would love to hear stuff on the opponents here beacuse this is actually a good battle that honestly may or may not help. I need to hear all I can hear on this.
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Death, you are okay with a massclaim tomorrow, yeah? There's only you, God, John and I left to claim iirc, and I doubt there's any scum there.
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This gladiate was awful and anti-town imo

There were plenty of directions this day could have gone. Now there's 2, so goo job there

Doop is scum. Not done anything to appear on my town list. Absolutely abysmal vote history (the biggest damning mark against fairly new but not useless scum). Neab is confirmed inventor, and has mostly matched my thoughts throughout, particularly D1. Also, the gladiate was dreadful, as Puns said, and seemingly due to the baiting from Corrik. Makes me even more sure Corrik is Town.
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##vote: Neab
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I somehow didnt realize so little unclaimeds were left.

Naturally, I am okay with it.
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My biggest worry about the glad is that enough people I feel are Town have voiced suspicion on Neab for it to be very worthwhile for scum Doop to do it for it to be likely to end in a mislynch if Neab is Town.
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