Board 8 > Danganronpa M - CHAPTER 3: Use Your Noodle

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The problem here is that Neab isn't in my suspect pool at all, and Han, who seems to be someone you're treating as confirmed Town, should be up there with the worst looking.
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Sheep007 posted...

The problem here is that Neab isn't in my suspect pool at all, and Han, who seems to be someone you're treating as confirmed Town, should be up there with the worst looking.

If you lynch an uncountered cop you deserve to lose for being a dumbass and as long as I live, I will not let you try. Put a vote on him and I'll give the scum a free day just to get rid of you so you don't sabotage us if we go to final 3. That's how confident I am on my read. You try to bigbrain stuff too much instead of taking the simplest, most logical explanation at face value until it's challenged, Sheep. You need to simplify your play to get good.
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well this was an interesting read

can't say I disagree with the argument though

risking death to save the town seems like a very Danganronpa thing to do
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I don't think the Han discussion will go much further today. You'll change your mind tomorrow. Not like we can lynch him now anyway.
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If you can change my mind I'll be impressed. You have to prove beyond the level of reasonable doubt two very difficult things:

-That the jailkeep blocked kills because Han is mafia and not because he was targeted.

-That our setup makes any sense at all without a cop when all we have so far is a weak inventor, a day hider and a oneshot jailkeeper, versus a godfather commuter, a roleblocker, a daykiller and maybe a scum glad.

I'd love to see you try this challenge on for size and succeed. Until you can do that I will not abide any lynch attempts on him.
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Sheep007 posted...

The problem with that model is that Neab gets shot and Han claims roleblocked every time.

Just have Corrik use his power on Han then.
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htaeD posted...

Sheep007 posted...

The problem with that model is that Neab gets shot and Han claims roleblocked every time.

Just have Corrik use his power on Han then.

Bin-go. When I say scum has no actions to counter with, this is what I mean. Every time you look at it it gets worse for them.
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That's actually a really good idea with Corrik, didn't think of that. Worst case scenario, Han is scum and they have to burn another random ability on their scummate which is one less thing that can be used against us.
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Yeah, okay, I'm totally fine with that now. Don't see much fault with it.

Also, every time you talk about the power in this game town gets less powerful and scum gets more.

Also also, Sultan is basically confirmed by SBell's flip and I can't believe nobody addressed or thought of that yet
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Sheep007 posted...

Yeah, okay, I'm totally fine with that now. Don't see much fault with it.

Also, every time you talk about the power in this game town gets less powerful and scum gets more.

Also also, Sultan is basically confirmed by SBell's flip and I can't believe nobody addressed or thought of that yet

You mean because of how omniblocker couldn't coexist with commuter if both were town? Maybe - I'm not counting anything out without strong reasons to do so, but it at least gives us an angle to analyze for sure.
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You guys are talking a bunch of nonsense.
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Okay so I want the top 5 reason against noob and top 5 reasons against neab.

Right now I'm leaning noob but want more information from people
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By noob do you mean Doop

Also there are probably more reasons against Neab because he's done more. It's just the reasons to not lynch Neab are way better than the ones to not lynch Doop.
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My only argument for noob is the gladaiator kind of balances out to a strongman day killer. That would give town a chance to day kill sorta

From a power stand point town gladiator seems to make sense
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Yeah i totally mean doop lol omg
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I've been a little distracted today and apologize
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Sheep007 posted...

Not done anything to appear on my town list. Absolutely abysmal vote history (the biggest damning mark against fairly new but not useless scum). Neab is confirmed inventor, and has mostly matched my thoughts throughout, particularly D1. Also, the gladiate was dreadful, as Puns said.

Basically my thoughts with regards to Doop.
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This also seems like an odd time to use the gladaiator power. I kind of question the actions of it beacuse he was very indecisive about who to use it on.
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Doop literally just did it because Corrik baited him into doing it
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At least that's how I see it
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This is a hard decision beacuse I could see both possibly be town. Doop could have made a better decision maybe someone who didnt claim to force a claim who on someone he felt suspicious of like he mentioned John bob who hasnt claimed idk
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I think Neab is the better lynch.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Okay so I want the top 5 reason against noob and top 5 reasons against neab.

Right now I'm leaning noob but want more information from people

Read every single post I've made since the gladiate and that's your reasons for lynchhing doop over neab

tl;dr: literally no upside to saving a vanilla like doop in a situation where neither looks good based on their play instead of role, tons of upside to neab.
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Honestly for all the despair Doop had over wanting to lynch JB yesterday. I dont like how easily he chose to gladiate Neab instead.
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htaeD posted...

Honestly for all the despair Doop had over wanting to lynch JB yesterday. I dont like how easily he chose to gladiate Neab instead.

It reads of his scumteam telling him who to glad, tbqh
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Corrik posted...

I think Neab is the better lynch.

I so want to call scum for trying to incentivize lynching me.

Offering up me as the target for reward just feels like a scum choice.

I agree with Kanz's plan. Seems like a good way to force scum to play sub optimally.

As for the Doop glad... I guess it was me or Naeb since both of us visited a dead person, but he used his power fairly casually. I feel like there were more than two choices he could have offered up and he basically just went with what was "easier" instead.

(Additionally if Doop is scum, it makes sense for him to choose Naeb over me because Naeb has an impactful power where as I'm basically a red herring who could conceivably be mislynched later)
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Kanz does make alot of very good points
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##vote:Doop

This is probably the better choice out if the 2 especially if both are town and this was a horrible gladiate we just lose a essentially vanilla going forward and I feel as if Doop after looking back has had a bit more against him then neab

Kanz and DYL also makes very good argument that the choice of Neab felt kind of forced and very odd as if it could have been the suggestion of his scum team mates.
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THE LONGEST MATCH OF CHESS IN HISTORY CONTINUES

[3] Doopliss - Sheep, Kanz, Sultan
[1] Neabliss - Corrik
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"The longest tournament chess game (in terms of moves) ever to be played was NikoliArsovi, Belgrade 1989, which lasted for 269 moves and took 20 hours and 15 minutes to complete a drawn game."
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Doopli-Neabli
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Sheep007 posted...

That's actually a really good idea with Corrik, didn't think of that. Worst case scenario, Han is scum and they have to burn another random ability on their scummate which is one less thing that can be used against us.

I mean, "if I were Scum", but if I were Scum, this would be happening already or Corrik would be dead right now. No way any thinking human would leave the possibility of being caught lying by that claimed role open (unless Corrik is also Scum somehow).

Anyway, am I seriously still the only person that doesn't believe Neab is telling the truth about his role?
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Sorry again for not reading everything but was there any sort of breadcrumbing or hinting done by niablis on day 2 to suggest he interacted with sheep and/or did neab ever suggest to vote me in any way?

turbopuns2 posted...

Sorry again for not reading everything but was there any sort of breadcrumbing or hinting done by niablis on day 2 to suggest he interacted with sheep and/or did neab ever suggest to vote me in any way?

I don't think so?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sheep007 posted...

That's actually a really good idea with Corrik, didn't think of that. Worst case scenario, Han is scum and they have to burn another random ability on their scummate which is one less thing that can be used against us.

I mean, "if I were Scum", but if I were Scum, this would be happening already or Corrik would be dead right now. No way any thinking human would leave the possibility of being caught lying by that claimed role open (unless Corrik is also Scum somehow).

Anyway, am I seriously still the only person that doesn't believe Neab is telling the truth about his role?

Why would he be lying about something that is 100% confirmable and will get him killed if he doesn't do it, Han? Walk me through it
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I read niablis's explanation for choosing me about 5 times but I just don't really see the town mindset behind it.

I can think of possible town mindsets for picking me but I don't see it the way Niablis presented it.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sheep007 posted...

That's actually a really good idea with Corrik, didn't think of that. Worst case scenario, Han is scum and they have to burn another random ability on their scummate which is one less thing that can be used against us.

I mean, "if I were Scum", but if I were Scum, this would be happening already or Corrik would be dead right now. No way any thinking human would leave the possibility of being caught lying by that claimed role open (unless Corrik is also Scum somehow).

Anyway, am I seriously still the only person that doesn't believe Neab is telling the truth about his role?

Why would he be lying about something that is 100% confirmable and will get him killed if he doesn't do it, Han? Walk me through it

1. There are enough moving parts that there's an out in there somewhere.
2. The role just doesn't make sense.
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I don't think 1 is too true given the current makeup of the game. 2 I can sorta see tho. It's definitely the oddest inventor role I've ever seen.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Doopli-Neabli

Haha I see what you did there
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FD's last words, by the way.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Well it's already time to head back.

I'd prefer y'all not lynch han.

If you do and he's town then I'll cheerfully eat my hat.

But I don't feel like that's a likely outcome ATM.

Zzzz
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##Vote:Doop

I see no point in drawing out this day.
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##Vote: Niablis

Few reasons I like neablis's lynch more

One, it gets me closer to having some intel on Sheep, by seeing exactly what Niablis is up to.

Two, I've on several occasions thought Niablis came across as pandering scum. Also makes a lot of sense that one of my initial scum gut reads of him was for how he talked about SBell. He's been posturing a lot about his vote reasonings, I feel.

I saw in scanning Kanz apparently has a solid logical case for Doop?

But hey what if Doop is town and Niablis is scum and we're right?

turbopuns2 posted...

I saw in scanning Kanz apparently has a solid logical case for Doop?

But hey what if Doop is town and Niablis is scum and we're right?

I to this point still don't see anything logical about what kanz has been saying.
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turbopuns2 posted...

I saw in scanning Kanz apparently has a solid logical case for Doop?

But hey what if Doop is town and Niablis is scum and we're right?

What if, exactly? And what about the opposite?
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