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TheRock1525
11/08/18 1:51:17 PM
#201:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna933866

Republicans really hate people exercising their constitutional right.
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 1:56:40 PM
#202:


TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna933866

Republicans really hate people exercising their constitutional right.


The suit filed Wednesday by four county Republican parties alleges that the state's 15 county recorders don't follow a uniform standard for allowing voters to adjust problems with their mail-in ballots, and that two counties improperly allow those fixes after Election Day.


What does it mean by adjust problems and allow those fixes? In context of the rest of the article it seems like its just referring to verifying whose ballot it is, right?

I actually agree that its a problem if the standards arent uniform, but they should be standardized to allow the counting of the most ballots possible.

EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 2:00:20 PM
#203:


Jakyl25 posted...
EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.


Why?
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 2:06:25 PM
#204:


MGS (minus Snake maybe) seems like a series particularly likely to be more a victim than beneficiary of the Pac-Man factor
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 2:07:19 PM
#205:


LordoftheMorons posted...
MGS (minus Snake maybe) seems like a series particularly likely to be more a victim than beneficiary of the Pac-Man factor


Welp.
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 2:09:50 PM
#206:


TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.


Why?


I think because of a slippery slope logical fallacy Im trying to work out of <_<
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 2:10:25 PM
#207:


What you dont realize is that that post is actually deeply relevant to the Florida recount. When I spoke of Snake (the reptile, of course, not the beloved video game character) I was referring to Rick Scott
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 2:10:44 PM
#208:


TheRock1525 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
MGS (minus Snake maybe) seems like a series particularly likely to be more a victim than beneficiary of the Pac-Man factor


Welp.


Pac-Man factor has INVADED this topic
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 2:15:44 PM
#209:


Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.


Why?


I think because of a slippery slope logical fallacy Im trying to work out of <_<


To be more specific, I am imagining how it could be abused regarding strategic 3rd party voting

Like in 2016 when I voted Stein, I could have deliberately made it unclear if I was voting for her or Hillary and then fixed my ballot afterwards based on the results, if I was allowed to get away with it
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 2:20:12 PM
#210:


Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 2:23:03 PM
#211:


Jakyl25 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.


Why?


I think because of a slippery slope logical fallacy Im trying to work out of <_<


To be more specific, I am imagining how it could be abused regarding strategic 3rd party voting

Like in 2016 when I voted Stein, I could have deliberately made it unclear if I was voting for her or Hillary and then fixed my ballot afterwards based on the results, if I was allowed to get away with it


I think that would be easily solved if it was only about confirming what their vote appears to be, and not really allowing it to get something else.

I.e. "your vote appears to be for Jill Stein but its unclear, did you vote for Jill Stein?" And you say "no, I meant to vote for Hillary Clinton" then you just toss the ballot.
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 2:24:39 PM
#212:


Thats why you fill in both bubbles!
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Samurai7
11/08/18 2:24:48 PM
#213:


TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.


Why?


I also think you'd have to be careful of the person calling to clarify from asking a leading question or influencing the voter in some way.
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 2:24:58 PM
#214:


TheRock1525 posted...
Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.

Could be 0 if Dems win the MS runoff...!

Not gonna actually happen but its fun to imagine
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 2:28:11 PM
#215:


Samurai7 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
EDIT: If it means that ballot counters are allowed to ask who someone meant to vote for if for some reason the marking is unclear, I think I side against allowing that.


Why?


I also think you'd have to be careful of the person calling to clarify from asking a leading question or influencing the voter in some way.


Hello, it appears you might have voted for Beto ORourke, but its unclear. May I remind you that Ted Cruz appears silently in the night to eat the children of Democrats?
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 2:40:15 PM
#216:


Dont wanna give anyone false hope (still probably gonna be Scott), but 538 is moving FL Sen from likely R to lean R due to some Broward ballot irregularities:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1060615070890086400?s=21
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Reg
11/08/18 2:50:35 PM
#217:


Election fuckery happening in Broward County?????
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xp1337
11/08/18 2:52:32 PM
#218:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Dont wanna give anyone false hope (still probably gonna be Scott), but 538 is moving FL Sen from likely R to lean R due to some Broward ballot irregularities:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1060599004524883968

PRAISE NEEDLE
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 3:01:49 PM
#219:


Jakyl25 posted...
Thats why you fill in both bubbles!


Then its automatically thrown out.

I'm talking partial fills or filling out the wrong bubble, erasing it and filling out the right one.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:02:22 PM
#220:


LordoftheMorons posted...
"Fucker Carlson" is a great typo

Here's another article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/


What a group of absolutely garbage humans, jeez. Intimidating a political opponents wife ranks near the bottom of political discourse.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:05:44 PM
#221:


TheRock1525 posted...
Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.


Neither of those are that likely to happen, sadly.

I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

*cue Debbie Downer trombone*
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Jakyl25
11/08/18 3:05:53 PM
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xp1337
11/08/18 3:07:40 PM
#223:


I mean, I'd lean against either FL or AZ SEN flipping to the Dems, but I also don't think it's a done deal.

Suprak the Stud posted...
I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

to be fair you predicted the Republicans holding the House and then the Democrats had their biggest House net since Watergate. >_>
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 3:09:39 PM
#224:


Suprak the Stud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.


Neither of those are that likely to happen, sadly.

I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

*cue Debbie Downer trombone*


538 is sticking firm with a +2 gain to Republicans in the Senate. That would mean 53-47 which would assume either a Sinema or Nelson win.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:10:02 PM
#225:


xp1337 posted...
I mean, I'd lean against either FL or AZ SEN flipping to the Dems, but I also don't think it's a done deal.

Suprak the Stud posted...
I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

to be fair you predicted the Republicans holding the House and then the Democrats had their biggest House net since Watergate. >_>


*cough cough*

I also predicted a net gain of republicans by 3 in the senate though! And I predicted 10 governors for Dems and we only got 7.

So one over one under and one just right.

Call me Goldilocks, mother fuckers.

(Not meant to be disparaging, for some reason mother fuckers feels like it belongs there)
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:12:33 PM
#226:


TheRock1525 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.


Neither of those are that likely to happen, sadly.

I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

*cue Debbie Downer trombone*


538 is sticking firm with a +2 gain to Republicans in the Senate. That would mean 53-47 which would assume either a Sinema or Nelson win.


Ill do a backflip if that happens, but I dont really know why 538 is that optimistic. In Arizona, most of the outstanding votes are in that big huge county that I forgot the name of. But Sinema won by a very slim margin, the county usually goes red, and they dont know where the votes are from in that state.

I would love Sinema in the senate (over Nelson honestly if Im picking one) but I am not optimistic.
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xp1337
11/08/18 3:14:00 PM
#227:


TheRock1525 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.


Neither of those are that likely to happen, sadly.

I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

*cue Debbie Downer trombone*


538 is sticking firm with a +2 gain to Republicans in the Senate. That would mean 53-47 which would assume either a Sinema or Nelson win.

That's because of probability. I'm too lazy to open 538 and check the exact numbers, but let's just say it pegs the R win at 60% in each.

From a probability standpoint:

Rs winning both: 36%
Split: 48%
Ds winning both: 16%

The most likely outcome is split so it'd say R+2 but independently the odds would favor the R in both. Technically it'd be like R+2.25 or something but again, that would round to 2.
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pxlated
11/08/18 3:15:28 PM
#228:


Suprak the Stud posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
"Fucker Carlson" is a great typo

Here's another article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/


What a group of absolutely garbage humans, jeez. Intimidating a political opponents wife ranks near the bottom of political discourse.


No i think what you meant to say was "yeah! Antifa rulez!!1!"

Remember, we are all a bunch of mob supporting, echo chamber, pro-violence anti-jobs whackos
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Reg
11/08/18 3:15:43 PM
#229:


Suprak the Stud posted...
I would love Sinema in the senate (over Nelson honestly if Im picking one) but I am not optimistic.

I'd rather Nelson because fuck Rick Scott
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 3:17:19 PM
#230:


Yeah I dont have a strong opinion on Nelson vs Sinema, but McSally > Scott for sure
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xp1337
11/08/18 3:17:20 PM
#231:


Suprak the Stud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Btw Nelson is within the .25% for an automatic hand recount in Florida.

Oh God if Nelson somehow wins and Sinema somehow takes Arizona, Trump's "tremendous success" could be one Senate seat.


Neither of those are that likely to happen, sadly.

I feel like Im always the biggest downer in this topic.

*cue Debbie Downer trombone*


538 is sticking firm with a +2 gain to Republicans in the Senate. That would mean 53-47 which would assume either a Sinema or Nelson win.


Ill do a backflip if that happens, but I dont really know why 538 is that optimistic. In Arizona, most of the outstanding votes are in that big huge county that I forgot the name of. But Sinema won by a very slim margin, the county usually goes red, and they dont know where the votes are from in that state.

I would love Sinema in the senate (over Nelson honestly if Im picking one) but I am not optimistic.

There's like 650k outstanding votes in AZ. ~475k is Maricopa (that big county). Next biggest is Pima which Sinema won solidly. (~90k I think, ED margin was like 56-44.) Rest is mostly rural.

I think if you run the stats on ED margin on those counties and apply them, Sinema falls just short, but if Sinema gets like 52-53% in that Maricopa batch (ED Maricopa was 49.4-48.6 Sinema) it'd put her over the top.

Think AZ posts an update at like 5 local time so we may know more then, but it could be days (or even weeks. Think I saw a report that in a previous election for McSally at the congressional district level it took the AP 11 days or something to call her race)
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:22:47 PM
#232:


pxlated posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
"Fucker Carlson" is a great typo

Here's another article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/


What a group of absolutely garbage humans, jeez. Intimidating a political opponents wife ranks near the bottom of political discourse.


No i think what you meant to say was "yeah! Antifa rulez!!1!"

Remember, we are all a bunch of mob supporting, echo chamber, pro-violence anti-jobs whackos


Soros didn't send me my check yet so I'm grumpy.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:24:49 PM
#233:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Yeah I dont have a strong opinion on Nelson vs Sinema, but McSally > Scott for sure


Sinema is young and dynamic and if she wins I think that is a democratic seat for the foreseeable future since Arizona is trending blue and she'll have incumbency benefits.

Florida is weird and they're just as likely to vote Nelson out next time. McSally is 100% better than Scott, sure, but I think Sinema is an easier hold in the future.
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 3:31:40 PM
#234:


Speaking of terrible people harassing people at their homes...

https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/1060598491498586112
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 3:39:17 PM
#235:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Speaking of terrible people harassing people at their homes...

https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/1060598491498586112


Dammit Antifa.
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 3:51:58 PM
#236:


Also Florida has some really weird shit going on where 90%+ of black women voted for Nelson but only 83% for Gillum and that every county had at least 99% of their votes contain both a choice for both governor and senate, except Broward County which only had 96%.

Fucking Florida.
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red sox 777
11/08/18 4:05:55 PM
#237:


Deal or no deal: CA, TX, and FL are all disenfranchised.
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Corrik
11/08/18 4:11:25 PM
#238:


Zero percent chance Scott loses. Doesn't matter if there is a recount or not.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 4:12:31 PM
#239:


No to CA or TX, but I think we can bridge party lines here and agree that people who choose to live in Florida probably should be sent pretend ballots that they can fill in with crayons and feed to their local gator.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 4:15:20 PM
#240:


Scott is 100% winning, yes.

McSally is like...99%. There isn't a good reason to hope there either.
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TheRock1525
11/08/18 4:21:29 PM
#241:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-walker-narrowly-loses-wisconsin-governors-race-and-he-cant-ask-for-a-recount-because-of-a-law-he-put-in-place/

*ahem*

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Reg
11/08/18 4:22:18 PM
#242:


Oh hey another Scott that I can look squarely in the eye and say "fuck you" to.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 4:26:39 PM
#244:


(I think he means a different Scott)
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LordoftheMorons
11/08/18 4:27:11 PM
#245:


John Yoo (Bush's torture justifier) also says that Whitaker's appointment is unconstitutional:

https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1060632440417517573
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Reg
11/08/18 4:27:31 PM
#246:


Suprak the Stud posted...
(I think he means a different Scott)

I definitely meant Walker after Rick got brought up earlier.
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LapisLazuli
11/08/18 4:30:19 PM
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SupremeZero
11/08/18 4:33:27 PM
#248:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Scott is 100% winning, yes.

McSally is like...99%. There isn't a good reason to hope there either.

Um

There's over half a million votes that aren't counted yet.

There's a pretty solid reason.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-senate-race-gop-sues-mail-in-ballots-martha-mcsally-kyrsten-sinema/
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 5:51:55 PM
#249:


That's true, but McSally has a decent lead already so this would need to break pretty heavily in Sinema's favor. I hope you're right!
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SupremeZero
11/08/18 5:52:42 PM
#250:


Suprak the Stud posted...
That's true, but McSally has a decent lead already so this would need to break pretty heavily in Sinema's favor. I hope you're right!

It's from Maricopa county, it most likely would.
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Suprak the Stud
11/08/18 5:54:06 PM
#251:


https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/minnesota/senate/

So uh Klobuchar did ridiculously well in rural areas compared to like everyone else.

I know she doesn't have much of a national profile (well, as much as some others) but if democrats really need only Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, this is the kind of candidate that might do really well there.
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