Poll of the Day > Good criticism of people getting offended by video games

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" 99% of the people getting offended by the video games dont even play them " this is a pretty good criticism

Essentially video games is a hobby. If you have nothing to do other than trying to inflict crappy political opinion, then guess what. Keep your mouth shut and walk away. Those types of people are not needed. Make your own games that is fun or dont. Thats it

More or less summed up in Super Paper Mario.


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keyblader1985 posted...

More or less summed up in Super Paper Mario.

haha, spot on

Same goes for comic books. The largest complainers don't even read comics
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keyblader1985 posted...

More or less summed up in Super Paper Mario.

I wonder what the original one was.
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That is the original. That's an actual screenshot from the game.
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keyblader1985 posted...

That is the original. That's an actual screenshot from the game.

No that's a localization, not the original.
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Lmao, it has slippery slope right on the thumbnail

Revelation34 posted...

keyblader1985 posted...

That is the original. That's an actual screenshot from the game.

No that's a localization, not the original.

I thought you were implying that the screenshot was a fake.
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Which slippery slope, the one that minor changes to a game leads to calls of cultural Marxism and fascism or that minor changes to suit the tastes of modern markets is harmful to developer's vision?
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keyblader1985 posted...

More or less summed up in Super Paper Mario.

This is one of my favorite pictures. Ive used it multiple times. On this very site...
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keyblader1985 posted...

I thought you were implying that the screenshot was a fake.

Nah. I just really wish I knew.
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87% of all statistics are made up on the spot you know.
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Lokarin posted...

Same goes for comic books. The largest complainers don't even read comics

I think you should give more weight to what your base wants than vocal complainers, but keep in mind if there is a large vocal outcry among people who don't partake in your media, you may have lost some non vocal customers who agree and alienated more potential customers. It is worth listening to the criticism if you want to grow.
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slacker03150 posted...

Lokarin posted...

Same goes for comic books. The largest complainers don't even read comics

I think you should give more weight to what your base wants than vocal complainers, but keep in mind if there is a large vocal outcry among people who don't partake in your media, you may have lost some non vocal customers who agree and alienated more potential customers. It is worth listening to the criticism if you want to grow.

Have you seen comic sales? Even comic book fans don't even read them anymore.
Heeeeeyoooooooo
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Kappa02 posted...

" 99% of the people getting offended by the video games dont even play them " this is a pretty good criticism

No, it isn't.

First of all, it's not proven. No survey or other data collection has been done to determine within a particular margin of error what percentage of people criticizing a game have not played said game. Even if we (correctly) assume that the "99%" figure is figurative rather than literal, the fact remains that this number is merely a gut feeling rather than a figure based on the analysis of data. And you can't use a gut feeling to support an argument.

Secondly, whether or not someone has played a game has little effect on whether or not they can adequately criticize an aspect of it that they have seen or heard of. The only effect is whether there is some unknown context within the game itself that makes the criticism weak or false.

If, for instance, someone criticizes a game for allowing violence towards women, but the game contextualizes that violence by sufficiently penalizing the player for performing it, then the criticism is not apt. It's a weak criticism.

Thirdly, none of this applies to the criticisms being talked about in that video. The criticisms weren't aimed at the game; they were aimed at the actions of a particular person (or type of person) playing the game. Because of this, it absolutely doesn't matter whether or not they've played the game.
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shadowsword87 posted...

87% of all statistics are made up on the spot you know.

Close. Actually 86%
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Some random fuck who gets paid to talk in front a camera.
Never trust random fucks who get paid to talk in front of a camera.
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RedPixel posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

87% of all statistics are made up on the spot you know.

Close. Actually 86%

Actually, a new study was done. Its actually 89%...
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slacker03150 posted...

I think you should give more weight to what your base wants than vocal complainers, but keep in mind if there is a large vocal outcry among people who don't partake in your media, you may have lost some non vocal customers who agree and alienated more potential customers. It is worth listening to the criticism if you want to grow.

You should only listen to criticism if the people complaining are actual customers.

dainkinkaide posted...

Thirdly, none of this applies to the criticisms being talked about in that video. The criticisms weren't aimed at the game; they were aimed at the actions of a particular person (or type of person) playing the game. Because of this, it absolutely doesn't matter whether or not they've played the game.

Actually it does. The guy was just playing a game and did nothing wrong.
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Revelation34 posted...

You should only listen to criticism if the people complaining are actual customers.

Not at all. Appealing to potential new customers is vital for anyone trying to sell their wares, and listening to what non-customers want is often a good way to do that. It's important to balance that with ensuring you're still giving your current audience what they want so you don't give up current customers, but only ever listening to current customers is a pretty terrible idea that just results in your products/services getting increasingly niche.

_AdjI_ posted...

Not at all. Appealing to potential new customers is vital for anyone trying to sell their wares, and listening to what non-customers want is often a good way to do that. It's important to balance that with ensuring you're still giving your current audience what they want so you don't give up current customers, but only ever listening to current customers is a pretty terrible idea that just results in your products/services getting increasingly niche.

SJWs are never potential customers.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Not at all. Appealing to potential new customers is vital for anyone trying to sell their wares, and listening to what non-customers want is often a good way to do that. It's important to balance that with ensuring you're still giving your current audience what they want so you don't give up current customers, but only ever listening to current customers is a pretty terrible idea that just results in your products/services getting increasingly niche.

SJWs are never potential customers.

This. They make you change something, then go onto the next thing they want to change. But I dont believe they will become customers. Theyll make you change your show that they never watch. When you do, they still dont watch. Make you change your game that they never even heard of. Once you do, they still dont play.
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Nah, that's a really stupid argument and always has been. People screeching about video games in dumb ways are wrong by merit of their arguments often being weird and weak and subjective. Trying to act like there's no way that they could have played them while coming to the wrong conclusion just makes you sound needlessly dumb when they end up having done so
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ultimate reaver posted...

Nah, that's a really stupid argument and always has been. People screeching about video games in dumb ways are wrong by merit of their arguments often being weird and weak and subjective. Trying to act like there's no way that they could have played them while coming to the wrong conclusion just makes you sound needlessly dumb when they end up having done so

Except it's true. SJWs don't play that many games.
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Revelation34 posted...

You should only listen to criticism if the people complaining are actual customers.

People spend a lot of time criticizing things they proudly proclaim not to watch or use. If the above is true then we have to acknowledge that their opinions hold no weight.
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keyblader1985 posted...

People spend a lot of time criticizing things they proudly proclaim not to watch or use. If the above is true then we have to acknowledge that their opinions hold no weight.

They really don't. We've all done it at one point probably too.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Not at all. Appealing to potential new customers is vital for anyone trying to sell their wares, and listening to what non-customers want is often a good way to do that. It's important to balance that with ensuring you're still giving your current audience what they want so you don't give up current customers, but only ever listening to current customers is a pretty terrible idea that just results in your products/services getting increasingly niche.

SJWs are never potential customers.

[Citation needed]

An absolute statement requires absolute proof. You'll notice I said "often," not "always." It'd be stupid to listen to everything non-customers said. It'd also be stupid to never listen to anything non-customers said. Remember that listening doesn't mean immediately acting upon what they said without taking any time to think critically. Remember also that SJW's are not the only ones that might criticize something.

_AdjI_ posted...

[Citation needed]

An absolute statement requires absolute proof. You'll notice I said "often," not "always." It'd be stupid to listen to everything non-customers said. It'd also be stupid to never listen to anything non-customers said. Remember that listening doesn't mean immediately acting upon what they said without taking any time to think critically. Remember also that SJW's are not the only ones that might criticize something.

Only SJWs would criticize a way how somebody plays a game that isn't cheating.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

[Citation needed]

An absolute statement requires absolute proof. You'll notice I said "often," not "always." It'd be stupid to listen to everything non-customers said. It'd also be stupid to never listen to anything non-customers said. Remember that listening doesn't mean immediately acting upon what they said without taking any time to think critically. Remember also that SJW's are not the only ones that might criticize something.

Only SJWs would criticize a way how somebody plays a game that isn't cheating.

Or normal people who think it's weird how in GTA you choose to kill hookers just to teabag them.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

[Citation needed]

An absolute statement requires absolute proof. You'll notice I said "often," not "always." It'd be stupid to listen to everything non-customers said. It'd also be stupid to never listen to anything non-customers said. Remember that listening doesn't mean immediately acting upon what they said without taking any time to think critically. Remember also that SJW's are not the only ones that might criticize something.

Only SJWs would criticize a way how somebody plays a game that isn't cheating.

I have heard other people criticize a way someone plays a game, but its not the same way SJWs do it...
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Revelation34 posted...

Only SJWs would criticize a way how somebody plays a game that isn't cheating.

The f***?
What the actual f*** did you say?
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LinkPizza posted...

I have heard other people criticize a way someone plays a game, but its not the same way SJWs do it...

That's why I added the word cheating. Gamers will always complain about somebody cheating in a game.
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Revelation34 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I have heard other people criticize a way someone plays a game, but its not the same way SJWs do it...

That's why I added the word cheating. Gamers will always complain about somebody cheating in a game.

You should really think through your opinions more if you think that the only people who would complain about how someone plays a game is an SJW.

I mean, even the most straightforward way people get bitched out is from just being bad at a game. They're not cheating, they just don't know the mechanics or have the technical skill to play the game or just are bad at it.
So literally anyone who has complained about someone being bad is an SJW, by your definition?
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shadowsword87 posted...

You should really think through your opinions more if you think that the only people who would complain about how someone plays a game is an SJW.

This thread exists because a guy killed feminists in Red Dead Redemption 2. They don't play games and complain about Rockstar and the guy. They're SJWs.
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Games are art, they're allowed to be criticized by any person, by any perspective, for any reason. That's one of the major things about art.

You can disagree with the criticism itself, and that's fine. But they're allowed to make it.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Games are art, they're allowed to be criticized by any person, by any perspective, for any reason. That's one of the major things about art.

You can disagree with the criticism itself, and that's fine. But they're allowed to make it.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/824190/Achievement_Clicker_2019/

So artsy.
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Revelation34 posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Games are art, they're allowed to be criticized by any person, by any perspective, for any reason. That's one of the major things about art.

You can disagree with the criticism itself, and that's fine. But they're allowed to make it.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/824190/Achievement_Clicker_2019/

So artsy.

Yeah, it's a shit game. There are plenty of shitty paintings as well.
What's your point?

Unless you're arguing against the idea of art in general, in which case I don't know what you're doing.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

[Citation needed]

An absolute statement requires absolute proof. You'll notice I said "often," not "always." It'd be stupid to listen to everything non-customers said. It'd also be stupid to never listen to anything non-customers said. Remember that listening doesn't mean immediately acting upon what they said without taking any time to think critically. Remember also that SJW's are not the only ones that might criticize something.

Only SJWs would criticize a way how somebody plays a game that isn't cheating.

That doesn't look like a citation. Here, let me help you with your favourite wordy-book:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/citation

shadowsword87 posted...

Yeah, it's a shit game. There are plenty of shitty paintings as well.
What's your point?

Unless you're arguing against the idea of art in general, in which case I don't know what you're doing.

A person needs to actually experience something in order to judge it.
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Revelation34 posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Games are art, they're allowed to be criticized by any person, by any perspective, for any reason. That's one of the major things about art.

You can disagree with the criticism itself, and that's fine. But they're allowed to make it.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/824190/Achievement_Clicker_2019/

So artsy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29
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Revelation34 posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Yeah, it's a shit game. There are plenty of shitty paintings as well.
What's your point?

Unless you're arguing against the idea of art in general, in which case I don't know what you're doing.

A person needs to actually experience something in order to judge it.

Tangential experience can be enough to make some reasonable inferences, in many cases. Knowing that poop contains high levels of harmful bacteria and smells bad is enough to tell you that eating poop would likely not be an enjoyable or wise experience, even without experiencing it yourself.

Of course, in many other cases, missing the context of the things you're objecting to can cause you to misunderstand or exaggerate how bad they are. The minor outrage when Bayonetta 2 came out was an example of this, in that looking purely at screenshots and video clips of Bayonetta doing sexy things ignored that Bayonetta is a sexual character, not a sexualized one, and that the clips that seemed so objectionable out of context were a natural part of a well-designed character who had been granted agency over her sexuality. This is not a case where blanket statements are reasonable.

_AdjI_ posted...

Tangential experience can be enough to make some reasonable inferences, in many cases. Knowing that poop contains high levels of harmful bacteria and smells bad is enough to tell you that eating poop would likely not be an enjoyable or wise experience, even without experiencing it yourself.

Of course, in many other cases, missing the context of the things you're objecting to can cause you to misunderstand or exaggerate how bad they are. The minor outrage when Bayonetta 2 came out was an example of this, in that looking purely at screenshots and video clips of Bayonetta doing sexy things ignored that Bayonetta is a sexual character, not a sexualized one, and that the clips that seemed so objectionable out of context were a natural part of a well-designed character who had been granted agency over her sexuality. This is not a case where blanket statements are reasonable.

Claiming a guy is bigoted or sexist for killing characters in a video game is reasonable now?
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Revelation34 posted...

laiming a guy is bigoted or sexist for killing characters in a video game is reasonable now?

+1

See, that's called "not responding to the argument".
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Revelation34 posted...

Claiming a guy is bigoted or sexist for killing characters in a video game is reasonable now?

Depends why they kill the character. The game itself isn't necessarily flawed for allowing it, especially when it's an open-world game like RDR that allows you to kill just about anyone, but if he singled out the character to kill because she was a feminist, that is a pretty sexist, messed-up thing to do. That's also not a criticism of the game, but rather a criticism of one of its players. You can very easily criticize a player of a game without playing the game, because that criticism will be based on things that have nothing to do with the game.

And again, this specific instance is not what I'm talking about. You are inappropriately making absolute blanket statements. That you can find examples of people unreasonably criticizing games doesn't change that, it just means you have a rudimentary awareness of what the general public says about games sometimes.

_AdjI_ posted...

Depends why they kill the character. The game itself isn't necessarily flawed for allowing it, especially when it's an open-world game like RDR that allows you to kill just about anyone, but if he singled out the character to kill because she was a feminist, that is a pretty sexist, messed-up thing to do. That's also not a criticism of the game, but rather a criticism of one of its players. You can very easily criticize a player of a game without playing the game, because that criticism will be based on things that have nothing to do with the game.

And again, this specific instance is not what I'm talking about. You are inappropriately making absolute blanket statements. That you can find examples of people unreasonably criticizing games doesn't change that, it just means you have a rudimentary awareness of what the general public says about games sometimes.

That discussion is here. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/77188263 Just because somebody does something in a game doesn't mean they would do the same in real life. You're not sexist for playing a video game.

Also the general public who don't play games and then judge them are morons.
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Revelation34 posted...

Just because somebody does something in a game doesn't mean they would do the same in real life.

Again, it depends what it is, and regardless of whether or not it's a guarantee, it can still be ample reason to call their character into question. You're really struggling with this whole "don't inappropriately make blanket statements" thing.

Revelation34 posted...

You're not sexist for playing a video game.

Bit of advice: making vague, sweeping statements like that doesn't make your position sound any more credible. Most people worth arguing with can see through such flimsy pathos.

adjl posted...

Again, it depends what it is, and regardless of whether or not it's a guarantee, it can still be ample reason to call their character into question. You're really struggling with this whole "don't inappropriately make blanket statements" thing.

I couldnt judge a person based on anything done in a video game personally. Id done some really bad things in games and wouldnt want people to judge me for it. You should judge people only based on things they do irl...
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_AdjI_ posted...

Again, it depends what it is, and regardless of whether or not it's a guarantee, it can still be ample reason to call their character into question. You're really struggling with this whole "don't inappropriately make blanket statements" thing.

No it can't. Unless they are actually saying racist stuff or whatnot.

_AdjI_ posted...

Bit of advice: making vague, sweeping statements like that doesn't make your position sound any more credible. Most people worth arguing with can see through such flimsy pathos.

Blame the SJWs who called the guy sexist.
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