Poll of the Day > PEI introducing tough law for illegally passing a school bus.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-legislature-school-bus-licence-1.4925800

- 12 Demerit points against your license, which are used to determine your insurance rate (for reference, an at-fault accident is 6)
- 3 month suspension of your license
- $5000 fine

And to get your license back you'll need to pay a fee and take a defensive driving class at your own cost.

Neat.
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More Canadian authoritarianism who would have guessed
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In the US the fine is smaller ($1000) and no suspension (providing you didn't cause an accident).
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Makes sense. I know a number of areas have had trouble with people passing school buses. Hopefully cracking down on it will help.

I thought Canada was supposed to be full of overly nice people. Ive never seen a single person illegally pass a school bus here in the US
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FrozenBananas posted...

I thought Canada was supposed to be full of overly nice people. Ive never seen a single person illegally pass a school bus here in the US

Honestly... I don't think I've ever actually had to stop specifically for a school bus. I tend not to be in school zones around the times a bus would be there, so it has never been an issue for me.
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Drivers putting the lives of young children at risk are the true victims apparently
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Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

If they're dropping off kids they'll have the stop sign on the side of the bus extended. During that scenario you can't overtake the bus as kids have this habit of dashing out from in front of the bus and getting hit by cars who try to pass.
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313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

You cant pass a school bus from either way if its stopped and picking up children...
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FrozenBananas posted...

I thought Canada was supposed to be full of overly nice people. Ive never seen a single person illegally pass a school bus here in the US

Just recently someone illegally passed a school bus and killed 2 kids in my state.
313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

It is illegal to pass a school bus that has the stop sign extended even in a lane of oncoming traffic.

if the bus deploys a stop sign, that should mean you can stop and then proceed when safe.
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Dynalo posted...

313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

If they're dropping off kids they'll have the stop sign on the side of the bus extended. During that scenario you can't overtake the bus as kids have this habit of dashing out from in front of the bus and getting hit by cars who try to pass.

way to teach kids how to not cross the street
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Bus passers are the worst.
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Do modern school buses have dash cams? They should so they can catch these guys. Takes dangerous drivers off the street and the fines can go directly into the schools.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

Dynalo posted...

313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

If they're dropping off kids they'll have the stop sign on the side of the bus extended. During that scenario you can't overtake the bus as kids have this habit of dashing out from in front of the bus and getting hit by cars who try to pass.

way to teach kids how to not cross the street

So by this token, can we just teach kids gun safety and remove any laws governing the use of firearms by children?

I mean it only makes sense since your assertion is that education stops all accidents.
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Reminds me of this, saw it on Imgur a month ago.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6333787/Three-Indiana-children-hit-killed-truck-boarding-school-bus.html
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Reminds me of this, saw it on Imgur a month ago.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6333787/Three-Indiana-children-hit-killed-truck-boarding-school-bus.html

That was also on this site. On this very board. But you may have that person on ignore.
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LinkPizza posted...

But you may have that person on ignore.

Yeah. Mostly because it is all "this person had something happen to them, are they hot?!", so I blocked both of their accounts.
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Dynalo posted...

FrozenBananas posted...

I thought Canada was supposed to be full of overly nice people. Ive never seen a single person illegally pass a school bus here in the US

Honestly... I don't think I've ever actually had to stop specifically for a school bus. I tend not to be in school zones around the times a bus would be there, so it has never been an issue for me.

Its another over reaction. People really dont do it that often.
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Most busses in my area usually wait for cars to pass them before putting the blinkers on (allowing the kids to cross) so they aren't jamming up traffic. At most around here you only get delayed by a minute or two even on a really busy route.

Literally no reason to pass a school bus with their lights on.
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Oops_All_Berrys posted...

More Canadian authoritarianism who would have guessed

Some kid in my area was just killed because someone sped right past a bus

Learn to drive ico
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

if the bus deploys a stop sign, that should mean you can stop and then proceed when safe.

Does the same apply to traffic control holding signs?

Krazy_Kirby posted...

if the bus deploys a stop sign, that should mean you can stop and then proceed when safe.

It kind of does. It's just that "when it's safe" means "when the school bus is done loading/unloading children," which isn't generally something that anyone but the bus driver can gauge.

DeltaBladeX posted...

Reminds me of this, saw it on Imgur a month ago.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6333787/Three-Indiana-children-hit-killed-truck-boarding-school-bus.html

Damn... Look at the front of that truck. She really nailed those kids. It looks like she hit a tree or something.
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I would complain that this is overstepping their authority, but what kinda dink illegally passes a school bus?
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Veedrock- posted...

Do modern school buses have dash cams? They should so they can catch these guys. Takes dangerous drivers off the street and the fines can go directly into the schools.

lol

"modern"

my school is still somehow using the same school busses they did 20 years ago

and no sir Mr Driver, tapping on the little black camera box ain't mean jack, we know there isn't anything in there.
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While passing buses can be a problem, that's a pretty ridiculous overadjustment. And the people who aren't fazed by the current, already-strict laws almost certainly aren't going to be any more discouraged by this.

_AdjI_ posted...

Makes sense. I know a number of areas have had trouble with people passing school buses. Hopefully cracking down on it will help.

Kind of like hanging was an effective deterrent for horse thievery and murder... oh wait, no, it wasn't. -_-
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Zeus posted...

Kind of like hanging was an effective deterrent for horse thievery and murder... oh wait, no, it wasn't. -_-

source?
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Seems like it won't do anything to stop those who would pass a bus at a dangerous time, but guess it can't hurt.

Definitely seems like a reactionary law though.
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Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

Kind of like hanging was an effective deterrent for horse thievery and murder... oh wait, no, it wasn't. -_-

source?

....seriously? The fact that the death penalty is an ineffective deterrent on crime is pretty well-known. I'm too lazy to reference a dozen studies, so I'll just use a site which -- while somewhat biased -- references studies.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/study-88-criminologists-do-not-believe-death-penalty-effective-deterrent
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^
maybe if death row actually executed people instead of letting them live
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Zeus posted...

And the people who aren't fazed by the current, already-strict laws almost certainly aren't going to be any more discouraged by this.

Depends if it's paired with an increase in enforcement. Increasing fines tends not to affect all that much, because the people who ignore the fines in place already do so with the belief that they won't get caught, and that belief isn't going to change without making it more likely that they get caught. Dashcams would make a whole lot more difference, especially if the footage is consistently sent to police for prosecution.

Zeus posted...

The fact that the death penalty is an ineffective deterrent on crime is pretty well-known.

Well then, it's a good thing they're dead so they can't commit more crimes.
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@Zeus posted...

seriously?

Not really.
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_AdjI_ posted...

Zeus posted...

And the people who aren't fazed by the current, already-strict laws almost certainly aren't going to be any more discouraged by this.

Depends if it's paired with an increase in enforcement. Increasing fines tends not to affect all that much, because the people who ignore the fines in place already do so with the belief that they won't get caught, and that belief isn't going to change without making it more likely that they get caught. Dashcams would make a whole lot more difference, especially if the footage is consistently sent to police for prosecution.

...then instead of increasing the penalty, increase the enforcement.

HelIWithoutSin posted...

Zeus posted...

The fact that the death penalty is an ineffective deterrent on crime is pretty well-known.

Well then, it's a good thing they're dead so they can't commit more crimes.

Kinda like prison?
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Zeus posted...

Kinda like prison?

People commit crimes in prison all the time; so, no.
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313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

Literally thought this
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Zeus posted...

...then instead of increasing the penalty, increase the enforcement.

Eh, part of this is also an awareness thing, and harsher penalties draw attention to the issue with shock value. As we've seen in this very topic, there are many people who don't know how to handle school buses, so a little shock value can be helpful in that regard. The ideal strategy would be a bit of both.
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FatalAccident posted...

313800 posted...

Its illegal to overtake a school bus ?

Literally thought this

When the kids are walking across the street out of view and there's a big STOP sign that pops out to keep the kids from being run over? If they go past that sign anyway, then they get a suspension and a $5,000 fine.

This really isn't a hard rule to follow, the law is pretty sensible. Unless you are actually mentally ill there's no way you could break this rule.
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Veedrock- posted...

Takes dangerous drivers off the street and the fines can go directly into the schools.

It's funny you think this would happen.
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I don't actually know if PEI has a single provincial school board or if they're handled more municipally. It's pretty small.

Revelation34 posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Takes dangerous drivers off the street and the fines can go directly into the schools.

It's funny you think this would happen.

They do in PEI ... and I think Manitoba. IDK, I'd have to check
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FrozenBananas posted...

I thought Canada was supposed to be full of overly nice people. Ive never seen a single person illegally pass a school bus here in the US

There was an incident where someone ignored the stop sign from a school bus and killed 3 kids in front of their waiting mother maybe a month ago.