Board 8 > Character Battle X Contest Analysis Crew - Part 10

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if I never have to read the words hentai rally after this contest ever again itll be too soon
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it says a lot that were witnessing a monster match, maybe the biggest runback the contest has ever seen, and were talking about other contests to talk it down.
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The Mana Sword posted...

if I never have to read the words hentai rally after this contest ever again itll be too soon

This is the only current problem I have with the contest. The Stats Topic is the worst it's been in a while.
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Stats topic is a tough read because it's filled with people who made some lucky picks trying to act smart while misapplying buzzwords like SFF and bandwagons and whatnot to justify why their picks-- not trying to act elitist or anything I mean they did way better than me this contest (and probably most contests!) but yeah just saying hentai rallies aren't really the problem at all.
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I didn't even mean hentai rallies in specific. Just the word 'rally' has gotten old when people throw it out every time a character wins an update.
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I did specifically mean hentai rallies, TJF - all that stupid shit that delegitimizes every time a female character has won a match and boils it down to oh well she just won because people just like jerking off to her.

Drives me up the wall.
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The Mana Sword posted...

I did specifically mean hentai rallies, TJF - all that stupid shit that delegitimizes every time a female character has won a match and boils it down to oh well she just won because people just like jerking off to her.

Drives me up the wall.

Can you proof TJF isnt real?

I rest my case
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The Mana Sword posted...

I did specifically mean hentai rallies, TJF - all that stupid shit that delegitimizes every time a female character has won a match and boils it down to oh well she just won because people just like jerking off to her.

I don't see the problem. Didn't you know that you're only allowed to legitimately vote for a character if they're a mute Nintendo mascot?
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Im still yet to read that topic this year.

what do people expect in the last 45 minutes here? 16 years of contest history has taught me never to pick against Mario in situations like this.
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Well he did lose to Vivi...
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Honestly I feel like Mario still being in this should be all the sign you need to think he's got this. The trends from the first match didn't suggest this one would be at all close coming into this point comparing how the two matches started, so he's probably "being clutch" if you know what I mean.
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If Mario wins this and flukes his way past Cloud and Zelda, I hope Link doubles him in the final.
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Yeah Mario is winning despite the trends of the last showdown saying he should be losing ground right about now, so I'm not too confident in Samus at the moment
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Gonna be honest. I can sort of see "generic but well-executed love interest with a cool martial artist theme in FREAKING FINAL FANTASY VII" as justifying how strong Tifa is but if you don't like the character (I'm pretty apathetic) it's really hard not to credit TJF as also being a significant factor there - and it's pretty easy to scoff at that.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Gonna be honest. I can sort of see "generic but well-executed love interest with a cool martial artist theme in FREAKING FINAL FANTASY VII" as justifying how strong Tifa is but if you don't like the character (I'm pretty apathetic) it's really hard not to credit TJF as also being a significant factor there - and it's pretty easy to scoff at that.

Justify voting for all the strong Nintendo characters in these contests outside of "they have good designs and are in games I like"

Because if you're willing to write a dissertation on Yoshi's compelling character arc, I'm willing to read it
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anyway Im ready for the poll to accidentally run an extra 5 minutes after samus is ahead in the final update
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Mario, man. some things never change.
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I meant "justify" as "provide a plausible reason for," if that wasn't clear. If Tifa appealed to you enough for her to get your vote (whether because of TJF or not) more power to you

Nintendo characters are in games people like, yeah, but it's more than that; they're generally, ...fun to play as.They're in an interactive medium so privileging characterization above all else seems like kind of a pretty weird approach. Suppose it depends whether you've viewing them as characters in general or video game characters.

Haven't seen many people try to argue that most popular Nintendo characters or other barely talkative mascots have "compelling character arcs," though whereas apparently whether Tifa gets strength from TJF is in question here?
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this should be the biggest percentage shift update in contest history
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transcience posted...

this should be the biggest percentage shift update in contest history

I thought it would be L-Block, but the block actually only lost 1.94% on update 2.
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transcience posted...

this should be the biggest percentage shift update in contest history

"Only" around 3%

AxemRedRanger posted...

Nintendo characters are in games people like, yeah, but it's more than that; they're generally, ...fun to play as.

Are you saying that people don't have fun playing as the characters in RPGs?
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If fun to play as was the defining feature of contest success Dante vs Kirby would be the final every year imo

Also Link would be second round fodder

It's a good fate
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I do consider it unlikely that most characters in turn-based RPGs are getting a lot of strength for gameplay and battle system-related reasons.
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Semi-Finals of "Character that are fun to play as" contest:

Dante
Wryn (Bleed)
The Hunter (Bloodborne)
Velvet Crowe

Yeah sorry Mario jumping aint gonna cut it
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AxemRedRanger posted...

I do consider it unlikely that most characters in turn-based RPGs are getting a lot of strength for gameplay and battle system-related reasons.

Then you would be incorrect.
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Lopen posted...

If fun to play as was the defining feature of contest success Dante vs Kirby would be the final every year imo

Also Link would be second round fodder

It's a good fate

I don't know about others but fun to play is 90% of why I like Link.

It's not because he's a cool... huh... elf dressed in green.

If you're someone who votes Link over most of the field because he's fun to play play more video games imo
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Also your post is biased towards action games and against platformers. 6 year old me would have something to tell you.

Lopen posted...

If you're someone who votes Link over most of the field because he's fun to play play more video games imo

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Lopen posted...

If you're someone who votes Link over most of the field because he's fun to play play more video games imo

"Your taste is bad"

KamikazePotato posted...

Semi-Finals of "Character that are fun to play as" contest:

Dante
Wryn (Bleed)
The Hunter (Bloodborne)
Velvet Crowe

Yeah sorry Mario jumping aint gonna cut it

in order to get credit for being fun to play as people do, you know, generally have to have actually played the game! I figured that went without saying!
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Of those four I know Velvet and I can tell you she is definitely not that fun to play with. Unless you don't mind tuning the difficult level up every time you switch to her, because she is as powerful as picking the star in a Mario game

I turned Berseria's difficulty up to max and it was super fun.

AxemRedRanger posted...

in order to get credit for being fun to play as people do, you know, generally have to have actually played the game! I figured that went without saying!

Well yeah - and most of this site has played FF7.

This conversation has been significantly derailed. Original point was that Kleenex was right in that people hold female characters to very weird voting standards in GameFAQs Contests. The only one allowed to be strong is Samus, apparently - anyone else only does well because of TJF. It's a bad mindset to have.
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Like I am replaying Zelda 1 right now and it is ridiculously fun to play. I feel like I've reached a level of skill where the difficulty is just right. I die about 5 times per dungeon then develop a strategy and clutch it.

Also if you don't know Dante or Bloodborne then you really do need to play more action games!
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I can't imagine that the list of characters who have led Link at the 10 minute mark is very big. Draven, L and...?
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KamikazePotato posted...

Also if you don't know Dante or Bloodborne then you really do need to play more action games!

Not sure if my taste. I grew up with platformers and RPGs.

Well you know what? I'm not gonna gimp myself for the sake of a discussion. I might play those games some time. Will put them on my giant list.

It's not even "your taste is bad." It feels more like your tastes are limited.

It's like, there's just not a lot of depth to the gameplay in Zelda games. Most people I'd imagine are playing it because they like exploring the worlds or the puzzles. Is that gameplay? I mean, I guess, but it's not Link feeling good to control as much as the world feeling good to explore. On the gameplay front it's dumbed down Kingdom Hearts at best. And Kingdom Hearts is like, a dumbed down version of games with actual selling point caliber gameplay. That's not to say Kingdom Hearts is necessarily worse than those games but Sora should lose to those characters on purely gameplay criteria. And Link should lose to Sora on those same criteria.

It'd be like someone saying Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is their favorite strategy game gameplay. Like yeah I mean, I guess if you have only played Tactics Ogre games and didn't care for their flavor I could buy it, but when FFT original and hell FFTA2 exist I'm like "ehhh"
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Side note well played Zelda. Even ignoring the clearly bogus opening minutes it's looking like she'd probably be idling around 35-40% or so. Holding up better than Pikachu is pretty impressive I think.
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Also speaking seriously, you're allowed to like whatever characters for whatever reasons you want - I don't think Link is that fun to play as but if you do, more power to you (still play the games I recommended though, because my taste is objectively the best)

This discussion has been significantly derailed. The original point of it was that female characters are held to a weird voting standard in contests - unless you're Samus, you're not allowed to be popular without it being entirely because of your boobs. Kleenex posted that opinion, and AxemRedRanger basically came in and confirmed that people think the way Kleenex was complaining about, soooo

Not just limited to this topic either. As funny as some of the meltdowns in MMX/Tifa were, there were a lot of legitimately weird sexist comments I saw that were disconcerting even through the "this is literally a fictional character popularity contest poll" filter.
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Lopen posted...

Side note well played Zelda. Even ignoring the clearly bogus opening minutes it's looking like she'd probably be idling around 35-40% or so. Holding up better than Pikachu is pretty impressive I think.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2901-division-4-round-2-link-bidoof-vincent-zelda

This is what happened the last time they met, so yeah, good show Zelda.
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Bro.

I live in a country where videogames are 10 times more expensive than in yours. And that is not hyperbole.

I couldn't own a playstation and a nintendo console, like you all did. I had to choose one or the other. Most people I know abandoned Nintendo forever when the N64 came out. I chose to stick to Nintendo. I have 5 nintendo consoles, and none from other companies. All my non-nintendo gaming is due to a couple Steam games I played in recent years, because Steam, thank God, is cheap.

So you can make fun of my tastes all you want. I don't care if there are amazing things that I missed. I know that. All I care is that I have amazing memories with my N64 and Gamecube and everything related those is insta-vote for me because it's nostalgia. Sometimes I will venture myself and pick something different, but I am not catching up in all of non-nintendo gaming culture anytime soon, if ever. I am too busy dreaming of maybe getting a Switch before nintendo releases its successor.

Lopen posted...

It's not even "your taste is bad." It feels more like your tastes are limited.

It's like, there's just not a lot of depth to the gameplay in Zelda games. Most people I'd imagine are playing it because they like exploring the worlds or the puzzles. Is that gameplay? I mean, I guess, but it's not Link feeling good to control as much as the world feeling good to explore. On the gameplay front it's dumbed down Kingdom Hearts at best. And Kingdom Hearts is like, a dumbed down version of games with actual selling point caliber gameplay. That's not to say Kingdom Hearts is necessarily worse than those games but Sora should lose to those characters on purely gameplay criteria. And Link should lose to Sora on those same criteria.

It'd be like someone saying Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is their favorite strategy game gameplay. Like yeah I mean, I guess if you have only played Tactics Ogre games and didn't care for their flavor I could buy it, but when FFT original and hell FFTA2 exist I'm like "ehhh"

Pft. People are playing Zelda games so they can bask in the glory of the King.
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That said I side with you on the TJF thing. Sexism is disgusting.

If a game is old enough you're more or less morally justified in using an emulator. I don't think anyone at Nintendo would go after you for emulating Path of Radiance instead of buying it for $200 USD off of an amazon.com scalper.
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this is some definitely stats topic filler right here
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So I say "If you're someone who votes Link over most of the field because he's fun to play play more video games imo" and you get defensive and then I elaborate and then you say "well I haven't played many video games because they're expensive"

What are you even getting defensive about? It sounds like I claimed it reads like you don't play many games and that was accurate. If you haven't played many games that's okay but on a website like this I imagine that's not the case for most voters.

Anyway point is I doubt many people are voting Link on strength of him being fun to play unless they really like Soul Calibur 2. They're voting him because they like the games-- which I mean, it's a similar kind of thing but a mindset that applies equally to an RPG even if you're arguing RPG gameplay can't be fun (which I think was the argument?).
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KamikazePotato posted...

If a game is old enough you're more or less morally justified in using an emulator. I don't think anyone at Nintendo would go after you for emulating Path of Radiance instead of buying it for $200 USD off of an amazon.com scalper.

I emulate games all the time, but I don't really feel the drive to catch up on the 60 PSX games I missed. Replaying something from my childhood appeals more to me.

That said I am probably playing FF7 next year. 12 years of contests have to break me sooner or later. I already gave in and played FF6 a year ago.