Board 8 > MWC one again (probably final time before 3)answers all your questions about KH

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Ask anything, plot, battles, platinums, alignments, all that fun stuff.

I noticed the last couple days A LOT of people have questions heading into this game, so might as well ask it from a guy whos watched Another Side, Another Story: Deep Dive more time combined than the state of Wisconsin has.....

Why does the plot make no sense?
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If I must play one game for the first time in the entire series (besides I/II) before III comes out, which should I play?
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Menji posted...

If I must play one game for the first time in the entire series (besides I/II) before III comes out, which should I play?

Probably BBS, but you're better off just watching one of those 30 minute videos that recaps the entire series if you're looking to at least grasp some of the plot.
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Do you think a Final Fantasy character will join the main party in any world again
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davidponte posted...

Menji posted...

If I must play one game for the first time in the entire series (besides I/II) before III comes out, which should I play?

Probably BBS, but you're better of just watching one of those 30 minute videos that recaps the entire series if you're looking to at least grasp some of the plot.

Definitely BBS.

It starts all this crap (mostly)

358/2 is a slice of life game about characters you wont have reason to care about.
Re: Coded has virtually no story.
CoM means zero without KH
DDD is confusing sometimes even if you know whats going on...
0.2is a tech demo for III

NowItsAngeTime posted...

Do you think a Final Fantasy character will join the main party in any world again

No.

The story arc of ALL the FF characters, (except Cloud, Sephiroth, and debatably Aeris) has been completed.

I could see it happening on DLC, but they arent gonna leave Radient Garden, and I dont see any reason for us to have fights there anymore. RG has had its Keyhole sealed twice, has been restored, and has security put on it from Tron....

The only thing RG should be is mini games and Winnie the Pooh and some random story beats with Ienzo Dilan, etc

Grand Kirby posted...

Why does the plot make no sense?

It does....

The only actual confusing things is Time travel in DDD.

This trope is old and stupid.

The overall story is actually really simple. Long to explain to someone because Nomura put so much in it, but not actually confusing if you know all the story beats

Best version of Dearly Beloved?
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Pirateking2000 posted...

Best version of Dearly Beloved?

Its too easy to say II

So Im gonna say BackCover

Good, BBS is what I was learning towards playing already!
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Menji posted...

Good, BBS is what I was learning towards playing already!

You wont regret it

Good morn

Best cover of Dearly Beloved?
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BlackDra90n posted...

Best cover of Dearly Beloved?

Project Destasi

That will be the answer for almost every cover.

What's the difference between all the versions of Kingdom Hearts that have appeared already?

Why is there more than one method to make Kingdom Hearts appear? What were all the methods?

Why did Xehanort say that the original organization 13 weren't good enough for his master plan but in Kingdom Hearts 3 he just brought them all back anyway?

Why did Donald and Goofy not know what Yen Sid's tower was in KHII when they had been there before?

What the hell was the point of that book on Yen Sid's desk in Kingdom Hearts 2?

Why are heartless called Heartless when they don't have bodies, and nobodies called Nobodies when their main deal is that they don't have hearts?

These are just some of the things that bug me.
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Grand Kirby posted...

What's the difference between all the versions of Kingdom Hearts that have appeared already?

Why is there more than one method to make Kingdom Hearts appear? What were all the methods?

Why did Xehanort say that the original organization 13 weren't good enough for his master plan but in Kingdom Hearts 3 he just brought them all back anyway?

Why did Donald and Goofy not know what Yen Sid's tower was in KHII when they had been there before?

What the hell was the point of that book on Yen Sid's desk in Kingdom Hearts 2?

Why are heartless called Heartless when they don't have bodies, and nobodies called Nobodies when their main deal is that they don't have hearts?

These are just some of the things that bug me.

BBS had TRUE Kingdom Hearts
KH had Kingdom Hearts of worlds
KH II (and 358/2) had Kingdom Hearts of people

The method we saw to bring KH in BBS was a clash of equal light and darkness (Ventus and Vanitas) to create the X Blade and summon KH.
That didnt work. So we are about to see the 13 darknesses vs either 7 light Keyblade wielders or the Princesses of Heart to create the real X Blade, which will open true Kingdom Hearts
Ansem Seeker of Darkness destroyed the heart of worlds so they would gather and that gathering was KH, that heart of all worlds.
Xemnas had heartless destroyed by Keyblade wielders, and their hearts form together to form KH of peoples hearts.

I believe it was Xemnas who said that, not MX. And they did bring a lot back, but his speech was probably about Axel and Roxas anyway.

There is NO good answer to this. Its a retcon, roll with it

If we are thinking about the same book, pretty sure its a prophecy that mirrors SorasKHII journey.

Nomura....

Why did Mickey wait eight games to tell anyone Aqua was in the realm of darkness?
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NBIceman posted...

Why did Mickey wait eight games to tell anyone Aqua was in the realm of darkness?

They actually do explain that.

Riku and Sora would have been dumb enough to try and rescue her the second they heard

How did Mickey and Riku get out of the world of darkness again?

And Sora and Riku later for that matter
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pjbasis posted...

How did Mickey and Riku get out of the world of darkness again?

Diz gave them cards that opened Coridors of Darkness to Castle Oblivion

Also what do you know of the X story?

Does it actually take place in the Keyblade War era? I heard it was actually all fake or something. What's a Dream Eater and how does it connect to Chirithy?
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FinaIFantasyV posted...

Diz gave them cards that opened Coridors of Darkness to Castle Oblivion

That's all you need are cards? What are cards? How do they have the power to do things like that? Couldn't he give one to Aqua then?
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pjbasis posted...

Also what do you know of the X story?

Does it actually take place in the Keyblade War era? I heard it was actually all fake or something. What's a Dream Eater and how does it connect to Chirithy?

The first one was real, the reliving it not so much.

A Chirithy is a Dream Eater. As well as a Nightmare. Probably the first one ever.

pjbasis posted...

FinaIFantasyV posted...

Diz gave them cards that opened Coridors of Darkness to Castle Oblivion

That's all you need are cards? What are cards? How do they have the power to do things like that? Couldn't he give one to Aqua then?

The cards themselves were irrelevant except giving Riku and Mickey something to grab. The CoD are what actually teleported them

And nobody on the light side can create them except MAYBE Ansem, Roxas, and Namine....

One of which we havent seen in the world of light till the last trailer and everyone thought he was dead, the other two are in Sora and Kairi,and they dont give Sora and Kairi powers over darkness to do it

Which of Disney or Square Enix has a greater influence on this game both from a plot standpoint and a game creation process standpoint? Do any of the characters that originated from either of those companies even matter in KH anymore?
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FinaIFantasyV posted...

NBIceman posted...

Why did Mickey wait eight games to tell anyone Aqua was in the realm of darkness?

They actually do explain that.

Riku and Sora would have been dumb enough to try and rescue her the second they heard

Why would this have been a dumb decision? Were they not strong enough? And if so, what happened that suddenly made them strong enough now?
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NBIceman posted...

FinaIFantasyV posted...

NBIceman posted...

Why did Mickey wait eight games to tell anyone Aqua was in the realm of darkness?

They actually do explain that.

Riku and Sora would have been dumb enough to try and rescue her the second they heard

Why would this have been a dumb decision? Were they not strong enough? And if so, what happened that suddenly made them strong enough now?

No, they werent strong enough.

Aqua is a Master, and the darkness takes her a part.

Riku and Sora would have got insta done.

Riku is now a Master himself, and Sora will be after the prologue of KHIII.

They say as much, Riku gets mad they didnt tell him before, and Mickey and Yensid confirm now he is ready

ZaziGuado posted...

Which of Disney or Square Enix has a greater influence on this game both from a plot standpoint and a game creation process standpoint? Do any of the characters that originated from either of those companies even matter in KH anymore?

Disney owns everything. So technically they have final call. That said for all intents and purposes its always been SE as a whole and Nomura specifically now. Disney trusts him now implicitly, they have now given him an incredibly large leash. That was not true at start, hence why Mickey is only in the first game for 40 seconds and kills 2 dark sides (off screen mind you, we dont even see him land the blows,) but by two he was a murdering machine and going after full humans with a blade....

The characters that still matter

Malificent
Pete
Merlin
Yensid
Mickey
Donald
Goofy
Hercules
Phil

Maybe Squall,s group or Cloud will again... no one knows.

Speakin of Masters why is the Mastery Exam such bullshit? Sure Aqua became a master but her exam just involved bouncing some balls of light around. Meanwhile Riku and Sora have to go through all this wacky stuff to get the title and Sora only fails because Xehanort interference which is bullshit too. What the fuck Yen Sid? Sora is basically master+ level anyway so why does it matter he get the title?
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Pirateking2000 posted...

Speakin of Masters why is the Mastery Exam such bullshit? Sure Aqua became a master but her exam just involved bouncing some balls of light around. Meanwhile Riku and Sora have to go through all this wacky stuff to get the title and Sora only fails because Xehanort interference which is bullshit too. What the fuck Yen Sid? Sora is basically master+ level anyway so why does it matter he get the title?

Hes not. He lost all his powers.... again. Riku is much stronger than Sora currently. That will clearly change, but currently he is.

And he failed because he didnt get the power to unlock sleeping worlds, which was the reason they sent them. They need that power. The MoM exam Yensid sent them on was a backdrop to become more powerful.

Aqua passed because she already had....

Eraquss plan was just to bequeath Terra and Aqua the Title, as they were both strong enough. It was Xehanort who convinced him to do the old time exam. Those 2 werent trying to earn the Title like Sora and Riku were... all they had to do was not screw up... which, well, you know.

In the final battle trailer:

The person that says, "find the hearts joined to yours"
Is that Terra?

The person who Isa is talking about coming back to the organization
Is that Xion?

The person who says "join your heart with mine"
Is that Vanitas?

Riku vs Riku
Real Riku vs Replica Riku?

The person who Lea ask who they are
Is that Xion as well though i dont know why they would have her cloaked twice so many Isa is talking to Roxas perhaps?

Assuming Luxord is the interaction with Mickey vanishing or whatever is happening there
And that Riku that is controlling the heartless swarms and such wondering if that is Ansem

Too many things going on in that trailer
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Mitochondriagon posted...

In the final battle trailer:

The person that says, "find the hearts joined to yours"
Is that Terra?

The person who Isa is talking about coming back to the organization
Is that Xion?

The person who says "join your heart with mine"
Is that Vanitas?

Riku vs Riku
Real Riku vs Replica Riku?

The person who Lea ask who they are
Is that Xion as well though i dont know why they would have her cloaked twice so many Isa is talking to Roxas perhaps?

Assuming Luxord is the interaction with Mickey vanishing or whatever is happening there
And that Riku that is controlling the heartless swarms and such wondering if that is Ansem

Too many things going on in that trailer

Young Xehanort
We dont know for sure yet. A lot of people think its Evan. Especially since he controlled the replica program. It could technically be Dilan, Ienzo, or Alaeous (sp) too. Its too short to be Roxas or Xion. And everyone else in the organization is already accounted for.
Yes, that is 100% Vanitas.
Real Riku vs either Replica Riku (very probable) or Rikunort from the past (really REALLY unlike with Ansem already there, since Ansem from the past is already using past Rikus body.... I cant imagine we get both versions.
Yes, its Xion. Anyone who says its Riku doesnt have e clue what they are talking about.

Luxord definitely attacked Mickey. The heartless swarm may be from Ansem and Riku and MX and anyone else who can control them, we dont know for sure.

what is light in the context of KH, exactly?

what is darkness in the context of KH, exactly?
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banananor posted...

what is light in the context of KH, exactly?

what is darkness in the context of KH, exactly?

They are just forces.

And also realms.

Contrary to what everyone thinks Light isnt good, dark isnt evil. The revelation had by Mickey at the end of II.

But darkness is more corruptible. In True organization XIII for instance, the only dark beings are MX, YX, Ansem, Vanitas and the Rikus and Terras that are there. Xion is a being of light even. And in the 7 Riku is a being of darkness, and LW or Terra if he is indeed there. Just as MX was corrupted by darkness, Eraqus was currupted by light.

Why do herc and Phil matter so much?
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Waluigi1 posted...

Why do herc and Phil matter so much?

Sora was sent to OC to become a Master/Become a true hero by Yensid.

So unlike say Woody or Elsa or Rapunzel, Herc at the least and probably Phil are integral to the overall plot

Why didn't they bring back Hayden Panettiere as Kairi?
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Grand Kirby posted...

Why didn't they bring back Hayden Panettiere as Kairi?

I have no idea. Apparently they didnt even ask her...

I get why you would want Xion and Kairi to have the same voice. And Allison is good at it, but if you did do that, I dont know why you dont cut Allison and have Hayden voice both like in DDD.

If I'm playing BBS for the first time on Critical, do I need to care about Command Boards at all?
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SomeKindOfJoke posted...

If I'm playing BBS for the first time on Critical, do I need to care about Command Boards at all?

Technically no.... but youd be crazy not to at least pick up Ragnarok for every character on the first board as soon as you start their story. There are other exclusive shot locks and hard to get abilities on the boards too. But again, you dont have to

FinaIFantasyV posted...

SomeKindOfJoke posted...

If I'm playing BBS for the first time on Critical, do I need to care about Command Boards at all?

Technically no.... but youd be crazy not to at least pick up Ragnarok for every character on the first board as soon as you start their story. There are other exclusive shot locks and hard to get abilities on the boards too. But again, you dont have to

Key word there was on critical. I'd say yes.
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Waluigi1 posted...

FinaIFantasyV posted...

SomeKindOfJoke posted...

If I'm playing BBS for the first time on Critical, do I need to care about Command Boards at all?

Technically no.... but youd be crazy not to at least pick up Ragnarok for every character on the first board as soon as you start their story. There are other exclusive shot locks and hard to get abilities on the boards too. But again, you dont have to

Key word there was on critical. I'd say yes.

I mean... I did say technically no. Making it quite clear yeah you should, but dont have to by definition.

Someone beat MF level 1crit no abilities.....

He can beat the game without the Command Board, you just shouldnt. The boards help immensely

Do you happen to have a convenient source for translated cutscenes of KH? Im caught up on the available U stuff but didnt follow its predecessor when it was up.
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Suggested play order for all kingdom hearts games
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crazyisgood posted...

Suggested play order for all kingdom hearts games

Release order
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JonThePenguin posted...

Do you happen to have a convenient source for translated cutscenes of KH? Im caught up on the available U stuff but didnt follow its predecessor when it was up.

The channel I linked earlier, Everglow, he has a playlist of this on his channel

They accidentally released an ad with Ventus awake in the Keyblade Graveyard during the moment they are all blocking the swarm of heartless. So thats that.

Sora, Riku, Kairi, Lea, Mickey, Ventus. 6 of the 7 now 100% confirmed.
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FinaIFantasyV posted...

banananor posted...

what is light in the context of KH, exactly?

what is darkness in the context of KH, exactly?

They are just forces.

And also realms.

Contrary to what everyone thinks Light isnt good, dark isnt evil. The revelation had by Mickey at the end of II.

But darkness is more corruptible.

When light & dark are forces, are they sentient? If so, what do they want? If they're more like gravity or magnets, what makes them different? Are they mostly symbolism for positive and negative emotions, or are they just palette swaps of each other?

When you say dark is more corruptible... corruptible by what? Do you mean dark is more likely to directly control people?
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