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catatonia 05/21/19 2:07:32 PM #203:	wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well. --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922186868] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 2:18:20 PM #204:	wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Thats what I was thinking, as well... catatonia posted... wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well. If thats true, then the illegal abortion rate will most likely go up... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922187322] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Thats what I was thinking, as well... <cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well.</quote> If thats true, then the illegal abortion rate will most likely go up...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 2:19:13 PM #205:	LinkPizza posted... wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Thats what I was thinking, as well... catatonia posted... wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well. If thats true, then the illegal abortion rate will most likely go up... The law should, and most likely will be struck down. --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922187357] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Thats what I was thinking, as well... <cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well.</quote> If thats true, then the illegal abortion rate will most likely go up...</quote> The law should, and most likely will be struck down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 2:20:13 PM #206:	catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Thats what I was thinking, as well... catatonia posted... wwinterj25 posted... Zangulus posted... Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life. So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well. If thats true, then the illegal abortion rate will most likely go up... The law should, and most likely will be struck down. Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922187394] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Thats what I was thinking, as well... <cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. It only has an exception for danger to the mothers life.</quote> So they can't get a abortion at all unless in that case? That doesn't seem right. I guess more illegal abortions will happen in that state then. Although maybe they could go to another state to get it done. </quote> Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well.</quote> If thats true, then the illegal abortion rate will most likely go up...</quote> The law should, and most likely will be struck down.</quote> Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 05/21/19 2:21:31 PM #207:	Kyuubi4269 posted... OhhhJa posted... Brain activity is brain activity. Sure I dont think a fetus at three weeks is capable of complex emotions but where do you really draw the line on that. Who gets to be the judge of where to draw that line? A dog has brain activity, you can still put it down because your new places doesn't allow dogs. I thought we did a pretty good job allowing doctors to determine it. People don't usually realize when I'm playing devils advocate. Its healthy to challenge your own opinions from time to time. Anyway, lol at comparing a dog to a baby. I'm fine with first trimester for the most part personally but I can totally understand why people would consider an abortion at 12 weeks in to be inhumane. I dont think that's some insane perspective to have. It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. Also mead, I really couldn't care any less about your opinion. Why dont you just continue to not talk with me? Isnt that why I'm on your ignore list? Like you're definitely the last person on this board I would ever want to have a beer with tbh including Erik p <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:922187438] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Brain activity is brain activity. Sure I dont think a fetus at three weeks is capable of complex emotions but where do you really draw the line on that. Who gets to be the judge of where to draw that line?</quote> A dog has brain activity, you can still put it down because your new places doesn't allow dogs. I thought we did a pretty good job allowing doctors to determine it.</quote> People don't usually realize when I'm playing devils advocate. Its healthy to challenge your own opinions from time to time. Anyway, lol at comparing a dog to a baby. I'm fine with first trimester for the most part personally but I can totally understand why people would consider an abortion at 12 weeks in to be inhumane. I dont think that's some insane perspective to have. It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. Also mead, I really couldn't care any less about your opinion. Why dont you just continue to not talk with me? Isnt that why I'm on your ignore list? Like you're definitely the last person on this board I would ever want to have a beer with tbh including Erik p</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 05/21/19 2:26:35 PM #208:	OhhhJa posted... lol at comparing a dog to a baby. lol at comparing a fetus to a baby. OhhhJa posted... It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. Who? --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:922187646] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>lol at comparing a dog to a baby. </quote> lol at comparing a fetus to a baby. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. </quote> Who?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 2:34:22 PM #209:	LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922187952] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 2:55:09 PM #210:	catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922188799] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 2:55:59 PM #211:	LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_> --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922188846] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 05/21/19 2:56:44 PM #212:	Kyuubi4269 posted... OhhhJa posted... lol at comparing a dog to a baby. lol at comparing a fetus to a baby. OhhhJa posted... It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. Who? I've long learned my lesson not to do things like asking "who". Typically people say things for a reason and they will point you to some random ass holes as justification for their statements even if such a measure has no widespread appeal or pressure. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:922188874] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>lol at comparing a dog to a baby. </quote> lol at comparing a fetus to a baby. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. </quote> Who?</quote> I've long learned my lesson not to do things like asking "who". Typically people say things for a reason and they will point you to some random ass holes as justification for their statements even if such a measure has no widespread appeal or pressure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 2:57:12 PM #213:	catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_> So, maybe when someone has a pregnancy scare, they could go to another state to even get the test... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922188886] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_></quote> So, maybe when someone has a pregnancy scare, they could go to another state to even get the test...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 2:59:31 PM #214:	LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_> So, maybe when someone has a pregnancy scare, they could go to another state to even get the test... The problem with that is that not everyone can just go. Too poor to afford a ride or to take time off of work. Its part of the reasons when states have attempted to pass overly restrictive anti abortion laws that make it too hard to get one, the law has been shot down. Its not so simple to just say well leave the state, or move for a lot of people. --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922188979] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_></quote> So, maybe when someone has a pregnancy scare, they could go to another state to even get the test...</quote> The problem with that is that not everyone can just go. Too poor to afford a ride or to take time off of work. Its part of the reasons when states have attempted to pass overly restrictive anti abortion laws that make it too hard to get one, the law has been shot down. Its not so simple to just say well leave the state, or move for a lot of people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 05/21/19 3:03:50 PM #215:	catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_> Ok, but you can't assume they are pregnant because they are buying the test, it very well could be false --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:922189134] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_></quote> Ok, but you can't assume they are pregnant because they are buying the test, it very well could be false</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 3:07:59 PM #216:	Muscles posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever? My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_> Ok, but you can't assume they are pregnant because they are buying the test, it very well could be false Stop asking me to defend the logic of idiots! --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922189304] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Also, how will they know? And does it matter if you decide to move or whatever?</quote> My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_></quote> Ok, but you can't assume they are pregnant because they are buying the test, it very well could be false</quote> Stop asking me to defend the logic of idiots!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 3:27:10 PM #217:	catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... LinkPizza posted... catatonia posted... My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy. So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right? Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_> So, maybe when someone has a pregnancy scare, they could go to another state to even get the test... The problem with that is that not everyone can just go. Too poor to afford a ride or to take time off of work. Its part of the reasons when states have attempted to pass overly restrictive anti abortion laws that make it too hard to get one, the law has been shot down. Its not so simple to just say well leave the state, or move for a lot of people. True. Its not that easy. But for the people who could do that, maybe they would. Plus, you dont really have to move. You could be planning to... But maybe someone has family you can stay with. And you change your address to their for a little while. Just a thought... catatonia posted... Muscles posted... Ok, but you can't assume they are pregnant because they are buying the test, it very well could be false Stop asking me to defend the logic of idiots! He is right, though. You may not be. Would they really have someone there to check. And whos to say that even if they are, they didnt have the husband pee on one to pretend they arent pregnant... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922190066] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that theyd make it so if you went to the doctor and got a pregnancy test it would put you on a list. And if you somehow didnt give birth theyd start an investigation. Its just all around invasion of privacy.</quote> So, if they only do home pregnancy test, they should theoretically be fine, right?</quote> Theyd probably make it like sudofed and youd have to give Id to buy it. Or who knows. Maybe theyre reading this topic and Im giving them ideas. >_></quote> So, maybe when someone has a pregnancy scare, they could go to another state to even get the test...</quote> The problem with that is that not everyone can just go. Too poor to afford a ride or to take time off of work. Its part of the reasons when states have attempted to pass overly restrictive anti abortion laws that make it too hard to get one, the law has been shot down. Its not so simple to just say well leave the state, or move for a lot of people.</quote> True. Its not that easy. But for the people who could do that, maybe they would. Plus, you dont really have to move. You could be planning to... But maybe someone has family you can stay with. And you change your address to their for a little while. Just a thought... <cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>Ok, but you can't assume they are pregnant because they are buying the test, it very well could be false</quote> Stop asking me to defend the logic of idiots!</quote> He is right, though. You may not be. Would they really have someone there to check. And whos to say that even if they are, they didnt have the husband pee on one to pretend they arent pregnant...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 3:29:26 PM #218:	LinkPizza posted... He is right, though. You may not be. Would they really have someone there to check. And whos to say that even if they are, they didnt have the husband pee on one to pretend they arent pregnant... I know he could be right. Thats why I wanted out of the loop. I took as far as I could. The whole issue is fucking stupid and has nothing to do with the sanctity or life. --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922190162] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>He is right, though. You may not be. Would they really have someone there to check. And whos to say that even if they are, they didnt have the husband pee on one to pretend they arent pregnant...</quote> I know he could be right. Thats why I wanted out of the loop. I took as far as I could. The whole issue is fucking stupid and has nothing to do with the sanctity or life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 05/21/19 3:42:54 PM #219:	BlackScythe0 posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... OhhhJa posted... lol at comparing a dog to a baby. lol at comparing a fetus to a baby. OhhhJa posted... It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. Who? I've long learned my lesson not to do things like asking "who". Typically people say things for a reason and they will point you to some random ass holes as justification for their statements even if such a measure has no widespread appeal or pressure. Dude there was fucking legislation pushing for it so obviously it had a good amount of support <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:922190721] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>lol at comparing a dog to a baby. </quote> lol at comparing a fetus to a baby. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>It's the fact that people are increasingly pushing for third trimester abortions. </quote> Who?</quote> I've long learned my lesson not to do things like asking "who". Typically people say things for a reason and they will point you to some random ass holes as justification for their statements even if such a measure has no widespread appeal or pressure.</quote> Dude there was fucking legislation pushing for it so obviously it had a good amount of support</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 05/21/19 3:54:47 PM #220:	Brain activity is irrelevant. It's a matter of body autonomy, period. Full stop. It does not matter if the person who is on the verge of curing cancer is dying and specifically needs one of your kidneys to live. It does not matter, You cannot be forced to use your body or compromise part of your body to save another person, or for any other reason. You cannot force a woman to carry a baby if she decided she does not want it. People have the absolute right to use or preserve their body in any way they see fit. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:922191274] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>Brain activity is irrelevant. It's a matter of body autonomy, period. Full stop. It does not matter if the person who is on the verge of curing cancer is dying and specifically needs one of your kidneys to live. It does not matter, You cannot be forced to use your body or compromise part of your body to save another person, or for any other reason. You cannot force a woman to carry a baby if she decided she does not want it. People have the absolute right to use or preserve their body in any way they see fit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 05/21/19 5:37:01 PM #221:	man101 posted... You cannot force a woman to carry a baby if she decided she does not want it. 1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. 2. You cannot force society to fix YOUR problems. --- "If masculinity was toxic, children growing without fathers would be better off. Unfortunately, criminals often come from single mother households." <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:922195510] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote>You cannot force a woman to carry a baby if she decided she does not want it. </quote> 1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. 2. You cannot force society to fix YOUR problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 5:39:05 PM #222:	The_tall_midget posted... man101 posted... You cannot force a woman to carry a baby if she decided she does not want it. 1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. 2. You cannot force to society to fix YOUR problems. So charge her like a normal doctors visit so she can fix the problem herself. That way, society doesnt have to fix it for her. Problem solved. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922195577] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote>You cannot force a woman to carry a baby if she decided she does not want it. </quote> 1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. 2. You cannot force to society to fix YOUR problems.</quote> So charge her like a normal doctors visit so she can fix the problem herself. That way, society doesnt have to fix it for her. Problem solved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 05/21/19 5:49:16 PM #223:	LinkPizza posted... So charge her like a normal doctors visit so she can fix the problem herself. That way, society doesnt have to fix it for her. Problem solved. I am fine with that, as long as people stop making victims out of people who aren't. --- "If masculinity was toxic, children growing without fathers would be better off. Unfortunately, criminals often come from single mother households." <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:922195978] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So charge her like a normal doctors visit so she can fix the problem herself. That way, society doesnt have to fix it for her. Problem solved.</quote> I am fine with that, as long as people stop making victims out of people who aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosAzeroth 05/21/19 5:50:35 PM #224:	The_tall_midget posted... 1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. 2. You cannot force to society to fix YOUR problems. 1) Crap happens, even when you're careful sometimes. Never mind rape or something, where choice and caution aren't options. 2) And? No one is saying that society has to take care of this, just that women shouldn't be prevented from having the option of doing so. Like no one is telling me I can't get medical care. They also aren't paying for it. But it's still an option, even though no one else is paying for it. People can have options without them being directly provided for them. <cite>ChaosAzeroth posted [p:922196030] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. 2. You cannot force to society to fix YOUR problems. </quote> 1) Crap happens, even when you're careful sometimes. Never mind rape or something, where choice and caution aren't options. 2) And? No one is saying that society has to take care of this, just that women shouldn't be prevented from having the option of doing so. Like no one is telling me I can't get medical care. They also aren't paying for it. But it's still an option, even though no one else is paying for it. People can have options without them being directly provided for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 5:54:52 PM #225:	The_tall_midget posted... LinkPizza posted... So charge her like a normal doctors visit so she can fix the problem herself. That way, society doesnt have to fix it for her. Problem solved. I am fine with that, as long as people stop making victims out of people who aren't. A lot of people are trying to play victim. But their are literally taking away their right to their own body by not letting them get the abortion in the first place. Some might be mad that they have to pay. Whatever. Some would be totally fine paying for it. But they arent even letting them get it in the first place. Thats the problem. If they had to pay, the outrage wouldnt be the same as it is now... They are taking the option away from women completely in this case... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922196182] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So charge her like a normal doctors visit so she can fix the problem herself. That way, society doesnt have to fix it for her. Problem solved.</quote> I am fine with that, as long as people stop making victims out of people who aren't.</quote> A lot of people are trying to play victim. But their are literally taking away their right to their own body by not letting them get the abortion in the first place. Some might be mad that they have to pay. Whatever. Some would be totally fine paying for it. But they arent even letting them get it in the first place. Thats the problem. If they had to pay, the outrage wouldnt be the same as it is now... They are taking the option away from women completely in this case...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 05/21/19 6:22:58 PM #226:	catatonia posted... Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well. It's one thing to have one place to have a stupid law but to try and inflict it onto others is silly at best. Even more so when overpopulation is a thing but more importantly it's up to others if they want a kid or not. I can see many more kids being put into the system too. The_tall_midget posted... I am fine with that, as long as people stop making victims out of people who aren't. Save for ones who are raped sure. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:922197268] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well.</quote> It's one thing to have one place to have a stupid law but to try and inflict it onto others is silly at best. Even more so when overpopulation is a thing but more importantly it's up to others if they want a kid or not. I can see many more kids being put into the system too. <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>I am fine with that, as long as people stop making victims out of people who aren't.</quote> Save for ones who are raped sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catatonia 05/21/19 6:24:10 PM #227:	wwinterj25 posted... catatonia posted... Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well. It's one thing to have one place to have a stupid law but to try and inflict it onto others is silly at best. Even more so when overpopulation is a thing but more importantly it's up to others if they want a kid or not. I can see many more kids being put into the system too. Thats the thing. They dont expect it to survive. None of them do. They want these to be challenged in court in hopes the Supreme Court overturns roe vs Wade. --- Zangulus has been a naughty boy. <cite>catatonia posted [p:922197317] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, they want it to be illegal to cross state lines for an abortion as well.</quote> It's one thing to have one place to have a stupid law but to try and inflict it onto others is silly at best. Even more so when overpopulation is a thing but more importantly it's up to others if they want a kid or not. I can see many more kids being put into the system too.</quote> Thats the thing. They dont expect it to survive. None of them do. They want these to be challenged in court in hopes the Supreme Court overturns roe vs Wade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 05/21/19 6:25:16 PM #228:	catatonia posted... Thats the thing. They dont expect it to survive. None of them do. Yeah I hope this gets nipped in the bud quick. I see no benefit to this at all. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:922197358] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>catatonia posted...</cite> <quote>Thats the thing. They dont expect it to survive. None of them do.</quote> Yeah I hope this gets nipped in the bud quick. I see no benefit to this at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 05/21/19 8:20:21 PM #229:	Kyuubi4269 posted... _AdjI_ posted... Do you or do you not believe that there's a point where it becomes reasonable to ignore the right to bodily autonomy and force somebody to use their body in a certain way? Based on what you're saying, the answer to that question seems to be yes. You are expected to surrender autonomy to survive so the government already doesn't completely protect bodily autonomy. You're talking about police interfering in suicide attempts? Right to Die laws are becoming increasingly widespread, actually. Intervening to protect people from mental illnesses that are driving them to suicide remains reasonable, but the attitude is definitely shifting to be in favour of letting competent people decide when they're done with life, recognizing that being able to do so is a matter of bodily autonomy. Demonstrate competence in any of the countries where such laws are in place, and you can commit suicide unmolested. In some places, you can even get a doctor to help you along. That said, I see where you're coming from, and agree that interfering with bodily autonomy in response to the risk that a mental illness is causing a person to go against their own competent wishes is reasonable, at least up until that possibility has been ruled out. I would even potentially accept that logic for intervening in an abortion, given suitable circumstances (though, logically sound or not, I don't know that the right outcome would be to stop the abortion, since that gets really complicated, plus it creates the loophole of simply declaring anyone who wants an abortion too insane to make their own decision). In that case, though, it's important to frame it that way, rather than acting like that interference is some kind of moral victory. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:922201782] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>Do you or do you not believe that there's a point where it becomes reasonable to ignore the right to bodily autonomy and force somebody to use their body in a certain way? Based on what you're saying, the answer to that question seems to be yes.</quote> You are expected to surrender autonomy to survive so the government already doesn't completely protect bodily autonomy.</quote> You're talking about police interfering in suicide attempts? Right to Die laws are becoming increasingly widespread, actually. Intervening to protect people from mental illnesses that are driving them to suicide remains reasonable, but the attitude is definitely shifting to be in favour of letting competent people decide when they're done with life, recognizing that being able to do so is a matter of bodily autonomy. Demonstrate competence in any of the countries where such laws are in place, and you can commit suicide unmolested. In some places, you can even get a doctor to help you along. That said, I see where you're coming from, and agree that interfering with bodily autonomy in response to the risk that a mental illness is causing a person to go against their own competent wishes is reasonable, at least up until that possibility has been ruled out. I would even potentially accept that logic for intervening in an abortion, given suitable circumstances (though, logically sound or not, I don't know that the right outcome would be to stop the abortion, since that gets really complicated, plus it creates the loophole of simply declaring anyone who wants an abortion too insane to make their own decision). In that case, though, it's important to frame it that way, rather than acting like that interference is some kind of moral victory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/21/19 8:22:38 PM #230:	You cant force society to fix your problems! Now force these women not to get a medical procedure based on my views! Perthonal wesponibilty! --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:922201850] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>You cant force society to fix your problems! Now force these women not to get a medical procedure based on my views! Perthonal wesponibilty!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 05/21/19 9:14:26 PM #231:	Mead posted... You cant force society to fix your problems! Now force these women not to get a medical procedure based on my views! Perthonal wesponibilty! What an idiotic opinion. If you're not entitled to a medical procedure, than you cannot be forced to NOT get one; you weren't entitled to it in the first place. Once again, and I know this is difficult for all the people who do not believe in crazy concepts like personal accountability: society is not there to fix your problems and poor life choices. --- "If masculinity was toxic, children growing without fathers would be better off. Unfortunately, criminals often come from single mother households." <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:922203888] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>You cant force society to fix your problems! Now force these women not to get a medical procedure based on my views! Perthonal wesponibilty!</quote> What an idiotic opinion. If you're not entitled to a medical procedure, than you cannot be forced to NOT get one; you weren't entitled to it in the first place. Once again, and I know this is difficult for all the people who do not believe in crazy concepts like personal accountability: society is not there to fix your problems and poor life choices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 05/21/19 9:25:07 PM #232:	The_tall_midget posted... Mead posted... You cant force society to fix your problems! Now force these women not to get a medical procedure based on my views! Perthonal wesponibilty! What an idiotic opinion. If you're not entitled to a medical procedure, than you cannot be forced to NOT get one; you weren't entitled to it in the first place. Once again, and I know this is difficult for all the people who do not believe in crazy concepts like personal accountability: society is not there to fix your problems and poor life choices. It's all about bodily autonomy! Now I demand that the state perform a procedure to destroy this baby I accidentally made!!! And before the argument is made that it isnt taxpayer funded, that's what almost all leftists demand <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:922204326] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>You cant force society to fix your problems! Now force these women not to get a medical procedure based on my views! Perthonal wesponibilty!</quote> What an idiotic opinion. If you're not entitled to a medical procedure, than you cannot be forced to NOT get one; you weren't entitled to it in the first place. Once again, and I know this is difficult for all the people who do not believe in crazy concepts like personal accountability: society is not there to fix your problems and poor life choices.</quote> It's all about bodily autonomy! Now I demand that the state perform a procedure to destroy this baby I accidentally made!!! And before the argument is made that it isnt taxpayer funded, that's what almost all leftists demand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosAzeroth 05/21/19 9:28:54 PM #233:	You guys do realize the government is giving foster homes funds right? You do realize unwanted children are taken due to poor care, or are given to foster care right? Unwanted babies get government funding. Unwanted babies are already 'society's problem'. <cite>ChaosAzeroth posted [p:922204473] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>You guys do realize the government is giving foster homes funds right? You do realize unwanted children are taken due to poor care, or are given to foster care right? Unwanted babies get government funding. Unwanted babies are already 'society's problem'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 05/21/19 9:35:26 PM #234:	ChaosAzeroth posted... You guys do realize the government is giving foster homes funds right? You do realize unwanted children are taken due to poor care, or are given to foster care right? Unwanted babies get government funding. Unwanted babies are already 'society's problem'. Yeah and I'm still ok with funding for people to have basic needs given to them from taxpayer funding... I know you have preconceived notions about what people might want but I'm all for human beings being able to exist even if they have mental disabilities or physical deformities <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:922204750] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosAzeroth posted...</cite> <quote>You guys do realize the government is giving foster homes funds right? You do realize unwanted children are taken due to poor care, or are given to foster care right? Unwanted babies get government funding. Unwanted babies are already 'society's problem'.</quote> Yeah and I'm still ok with funding for people to have basic needs given to them from taxpayer funding... I know you have preconceived notions about what people might want but I'm all for human beings being able to exist even if they have mental disabilities or physical deformities</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 05/21/19 9:35:59 PM #235:	I actually care about people. Something the left pretends to care about but clearly doesnt <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:922204774] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>I actually care about people. Something the left pretends to care about but clearly doesnt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosAzeroth 05/21/19 9:46:05 PM #236:	Trust me, I do care. HOWEVER I don't see the point in forcing someone to carry a baby, especially like if the baby is probably going to die anyway. That's an issue, too. It's like... 'Congrats, you got to meet it. Have fun paying for the funeral now.' 'You were forced? Welp somehow that's your fault have fun with the result.' Just no 'Oh keeping them alive will bankrupt you? Well who was irresponsible even though it was unforseeable?' Funding is being cut from helping people, people are having to use go fund me to afford medical care. There are people unable to get the care they need for their kids who AREN'T poor because life dealt them a bad hand. There are cases of abortion that make me personally sad, but I also know it's none of my business. Not my life, not my body, not my business. I really don't think that a fetus, a lump of cells, is a baby when some people seem to think it is. <cite>ChaosAzeroth posted [p:922205203] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>Trust me, I do care. HOWEVER I don't see the point in forcing someone to carry a baby, especially like if the baby is probably going to die anyway. That's an issue, too. It's like... 'Congrats, you got to meet it. Have fun paying for the funeral now.' 'You were forced? Welp somehow that's your fault have fun with the result.' Just no 'Oh keeping them alive will bankrupt you? Well who was irresponsible even though it was unforseeable?' Funding is being cut from helping people, people are having to use go fund me to afford medical care. There are people unable to get the care they need for their kids who AREN'T poor because life dealt them a bad hand. There are cases of abortion that make me personally sad, but I also know it's none of my business. Not my life, not my body, not my business. I really don't think that a fetus, a lump of cells, is a baby when some people seem to think it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/21/19 10:10:43 PM #237:	OhhhJa posted... ChaosAzeroth posted... You guys do realize the government is giving foster homes funds right? You do realize unwanted children are taken due to poor care, or are given to foster care right? Unwanted babies get government funding. Unwanted babies are already 'society's problem'. Yeah and I'm still ok with funding for people to have basic needs given to them from taxpayer funding... I know you have preconceived notions about what people might want but I'm all for human beings being able to exist even if they have mental disabilities or physical deformities The weird thing is people act like theyre saving money since they are giving money to let people have abortions. But it cost more since instead of paying for a one time procedure, theyre paying for 18 years... And I have no problem with kids with mental or physical disabilities. But I also dont believe the ones given up for adoptions are taken care of to the best of anyones ability... OhhhJa posted... I actually care about people. Something the left pretends to care about but clearly doesnt We care. We dont have to not get abortions to care, though... Or take away options from someone... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922206192] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosAzeroth posted...</cite> <quote>You guys do realize the government is giving foster homes funds right? You do realize unwanted children are taken due to poor care, or are given to foster care right? Unwanted babies get government funding. Unwanted babies are already 'society's problem'.</quote> Yeah and I'm still ok with funding for people to have basic needs given to them from taxpayer funding... I know you have preconceived notions about what people might want but I'm all for human beings being able to exist even if they have mental disabilities or physical deformities</quote> The weird thing is people act like theyre saving money since they are giving money to let people have abortions. But it cost more since instead of paying for a one time procedure, theyre paying for 18 years... And I have no problem with kids with mental or physical disabilities. But I also dont believe the ones given up for adoptions are taken care of to the best of anyones ability... <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>I actually care about people. Something the left pretends to care about but clearly doesnt</quote> We care. We dont have to not get abortions to care, though... Or take away options from someone...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 05/21/19 10:36:16 PM #238:	How do you even have the opinion that people who want the option to get an abortion are "demanding that society fix their problem?" From the perspective of affecting society, an abortion is no different that a routine teeth cleaning or a visit to a general practitioner. It's a medical service that you pay for or that your healthcare provider covers, which you pay for by paying for health insurance. Why is that punishing other people? What a nonsense argument. Also what the fuck is this attitude The_tall_midget posted... 1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did. Are people not allowed to make mistakes or change their minds? How much of an asshole do you need to be to think that people deserve to live with the consequences of every decision or mistake they make for the rest of their lives? What kind of insane absolutist draconian mindset is that? OhhhJa posted... I actually care about people. Something the left pretends to care about but clearly doesnt Right, the left just pretends to care about people by constantly pushing for legislation that improves basic human quality of life. Sounds a lot like actually caring about people. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:922207294] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>How do you even have the opinion that people who want the option to get an abortion are "demanding that society fix their problem?" From the perspective of affecting society, an abortion is no different that a routine teeth cleaning or a visit to a general practitioner. It's a medical service that you pay for or that your healthcare provider covers, which you pay for by paying for health insurance. Why is that punishing other people? What a nonsense argument. Also what the fuck is this attitude <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>1. She's not obligated to make a baby in the first place, but she did.</quote> Are people not allowed to make mistakes or change their minds? How much of an asshole do you need to be to think that people deserve to live with the consequences of every decision or mistake they make for the rest of their lives? What kind of insane absolutist draconian mindset is that? <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>I actually care about people. Something the left pretends to care about but clearly doesnt</quote> Right, the left just pretends to care about people by constantly pushing for legislation that improves basic human quality of life. Sounds a lot like actually caring about people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 05/21/19 11:19:07 PM #239:	The_tall_midget posted... If you're not entitled to a medical procedure, than you cannot be forced to NOT get one; you weren't entitled to it in the first place. This sentence is utter nonsense and I'm deeply concerned that you thought it wasn't. The_tall_midget posted... Once again, and I know this is difficult for all the people who do not believe in crazy concepts like personal accountability: society is not there to fix your problems and poor life choices. No, society is absolutely there to fix your problems. That's the basis for society: people specialize in things they are good at and then offer those services to others who have not specialized in them in exchange for some form of compensation. Humans (and any other social creatures) form societies because it's more efficient to rely on specialists than for everyone to become a generalist and be mediocre at everything. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:922209072] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>If you're not entitled to a medical procedure, than you cannot be forced to NOT get one; you weren't entitled to it in the first place.</quote> This sentence is utter nonsense and I'm deeply concerned that you thought it wasn't. <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>Once again, and I know this is difficult for all the people who do not believe in crazy concepts like personal accountability: society is not there to fix your problems and poor life choices.</quote> No, society is absolutely there to fix your problems. That's the basis for society: people specialize in things they are good at and then offer those services to others who have not specialized in them in exchange for some form of compensation. Humans (and any other social creatures) form societies because it's more efficient to rely on specialists than for everyone to become a generalist and be mediocre at everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 05/22/19 1:36:04 AM #240:	man101 posted... Are people not allowed to make mistakes or change their minds? How much of an asshole do you need to be to think that people deserve to live with the consequences of every decision or mistake they make for the rest of their lives? What kind of insane absolutist draconian mindset is that? Just to be clear there are people who think they should be forced to birth a child as punishment. There is no concern for the child just the idea that the girl made a mistake and she should have to live with it to publicly shame her. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:922212725] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote>Are people not allowed to make mistakes or change their minds? How much of an asshole do you need to be to think that people deserve to live with the consequences of every decision or mistake they make for the rest of their lives? What kind of insane absolutist draconian mindset is that?</quote> Just to be clear there are people who think they should be forced to birth a child as punishment. There is no concern for the child just the idea that the girl made a mistake and she should have to live with it to publicly shame her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 05/22/19 1:57:51 AM #241:	_AdjI_ posted... You're talking about police interfering in suicide attempts? No, I'm referring to the fact that you aren't allowed to not work if you don't want to, you're not allowed to just do nothing and have the means to survive. You're also not allowed to use your body to steal or murder. I don't think that's unreasonable, but you're denied the "choice" to be a waste of space with your autonomy if you want. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:922213142] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>You're talking about police interfering in suicide attempts?</quote> No, I'm referring to the fact that you aren't allowed to not work if you don't want to, you're not allowed to just do nothing and have the means to survive. You're also not allowed to use your body to steal or murder. I don't think that's unreasonable, but you're denied the "choice" to be a waste of space with your autonomy if you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 05/22/19 6:51:39 AM #242:	Kyuubi4269 posted... No, I'm referring to the fact that you aren't allowed to not work if you don't want to, you're not allowed to just do nothing and have the means to survive. That's your intrinsic physical needs forcing you to do something, though, not the law. It's quite legal to do nothing, if you're okay with wasting away (though that kind of self-destructive avolition would probably warrant an intervention on the basis of mental health). Kyuubi4269 posted... You're also not allowed to use your body to steal or murder. Oh sure, there are plenty of things you aren't allowed to do with your body, generally based on the fundamental principle that you shouldn't hurt other people. There's a key philosophical difference, however, between being forbidden from doing something with your body and being forced to do something with your body (to the detriment of things you otherwise would be able to do). The latter is a violation of bodily autonomy, and is the central problem with anti-abortion laws. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:922217306] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>No, I'm referring to the fact that you aren't allowed to not work if you don't want to, you're not allowed to just do nothing and have the means to survive.</quote> That's your intrinsic physical needs forcing you to do something, though, not the law. It's quite legal to do nothing, if you're okay with wasting away (though that kind of self-destructive avolition would probably warrant an intervention on the basis of mental health). <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>You're also not allowed to use your body to steal or murder.</quote> Oh sure, there are plenty of things you aren't allowed to do with your body, generally based on the fundamental principle that you shouldn't hurt other people. There's a key philosophical difference, however, between being forbidden from doing something with your body and being forced to do something with your body (to the detriment of things you otherwise would be able to do). The latter is a violation of bodily autonomy, and is the central problem with anti-abortion laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 05/22/19 7:16:53 AM #243:	_AdjI_ posted... That's your intrinsic physical needs forcing you to do something, though, not the law. It's quite legal to do nothing, if you're okay with wasting away (though that kind of self-destructive avolition would probably warrant an intervention on the basis of mental health). Your intrinsic basic needs force you to eat, shit and sleep. It doesn't make you earn money. The government stops you eating and shitting yourself to death by not supplying free food. _AdjI_ posted... Oh sure, there are plenty of things you aren't allowed to do with your body, generally based on the fundamental principle that you shouldn't hurt other people. There's a key philosophical difference, however, between being forbidden from doing something with your body and being forced to do something with your body (to the detriment of things you otherwise would be able to do). The latter is a violation of bodily autonomy, and is the central problem with anti-abortion laws. You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:922217727] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>That's your intrinsic physical needs forcing you to do something, though, not the law. It's quite legal to do nothing, if you're okay with wasting away (though that kind of self-destructive avolition would probably warrant an intervention on the basis of mental health).</quote> Your intrinsic basic needs force you to eat, shit and sleep. It doesn't make you earn money. The government stops you eating and shitting yourself to death by not supplying free food. <cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>Oh sure, there are plenty of things you aren't allowed to do with your body, generally based on the fundamental principle that you shouldn't hurt other people. There's a key philosophical difference, however, between being forbidden from doing something with your body and being forced to do something with your body (to the detriment of things you otherwise would be able to do). The latter is a violation of bodily autonomy, and is the central problem with anti-abortion laws.</quote> You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/22/19 11:06:17 AM #244:	Kyuubi4269 posted... You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one. What if you look at it the other way? They are forcing you to carry a baby full term. In that cases, they are forcing an action... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922223510] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one.</quote> What if you look at it the other way? They are forcing you to carry a baby full term. In that cases, they are forcing an action...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 05/22/19 11:28:33 AM #245:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one. What if you look at it the other way? They are forcing you to carry a baby full term. In that cases, they are forcing an action... Then you can look at murder the other way, they're forcing you to keep people you hate alive. They're making you give money to services that help people you hate live. Also pregnancy was what their body was already doing. To forbid abortion is passive, aborting is active. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:922224233] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one.</quote> What if you look at it the other way? They are forcing you to carry a baby full term. In that cases, they are forcing an action...</quote> Then you can look at murder the other way, they're forcing you to keep people you hate alive. They're making you give money to services that help people you hate live. Also pregnancy was what their body was already doing. To forbid abortion is passive, aborting is active.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnnoyedCops 05/22/19 11:55:04 AM #246:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one. What if you look at it the other way? They are forcing you to carry a baby full term. In that cases, they are forcing an action... Then you can look at murder the other way, they're forcing you to keep people you hate alive. They're making you give money to services that help people you hate live. Also pregnancy was what their body was already doing. To forbid abortion is passive, aborting is active. Well, they certainly take action by enforcing an abortion ban, by carrying out sentencing etc. I would guess a police officer would have to intervene if he happened upon an abortion too, to prevent the crime. But something being passive doesn't necessarily mean it's justified to enforce. Like you could forbid children from going to school, or cancer patients from seeking treatment. Preventing them from performing an action, letting nature take its course. --- formerly known as Snoopydance <cite>AnnoyedCops posted [p:922225187] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one.</quote> What if you look at it the other way? They are forcing you to carry a baby full term. In that cases, they are forcing an action...</quote> Then you can look at murder the other way, they're forcing you to keep people you hate alive. They're making you give money to services that help people you hate live. Also pregnancy was what their body was already doing. To forbid abortion is passive, aborting is active.</quote> Well, they certainly take action by enforcing an abortion ban, by carrying out sentencing etc. I would guess a police officer would have to intervene if he happened upon an abortion too, to prevent the crime. But something being passive doesn't necessarily mean it's justified to enforce. Like you could forbid children from going to school, or cancer patients from seeking treatment. Preventing them from performing an action, letting nature take its course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 05/22/19 12:12:45 PM #247:	AnnoyedCops posted... Well, they certainly take action by enforcing an abortion ban That applies to any law, your bodily autonomy is sacrificed when you're found guilty of a crime. You can't claim law enforcement is unconstitutional for defying your bodily autonomy. AnnoyedCops posted... But something being passive doesn't necessarily mean it's justified to enforce. It justifies against it suppressing your bodily autonomy. It doesn't make you get pregnant, it stops you defying the bodily autonomy of your child after exercising yours. AnnoyedCops posted... Like you could forbid children from going to school or cancer patients from seeking treatment. That's not an autonomy argument, you have the right to healthcare and education. AnnoyedCops posted... Preventing them from performing an action, letting nature take its course. You can, and that's an argument for small government. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:922225844] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>AnnoyedCops posted...</cite> <quote>Well, they certainly take action by enforcing an abortion ban</quote> That applies to any law, your bodily autonomy is sacrificed when you're found guilty of a crime. You can't claim law enforcement is unconstitutional for defying your bodily autonomy. <cite>AnnoyedCops posted...</cite> <quote>But something being passive doesn't necessarily mean it's justified to enforce.</quote> It justifies against it suppressing your bodily autonomy. It doesn't make you get pregnant, it stops you defying the bodily autonomy of your child after exercising yours. <cite>AnnoyedCops posted...</cite> <quote>Like you could forbid children from going to school or cancer patients from seeking treatment.</quote> That's not an autonomy argument, you have the right to healthcare and education. <cite>AnnoyedCops posted...</cite> <quote>Preventing them from performing an action, letting nature take its course.</quote> You can, and that's an argument for small government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 05/22/19 3:26:28 PM #248:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Your intrinsic basic needs force you to eat, s* and sleep. It doesn't make you earn money. Making money, however, is the means by which those basic needs can be realized. Transitive property, yo. Kyuubi4269 posted... You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one. Pregnancy (and subsequently, parenting) really isn't passive enough to look at it through that lens. It requires a substantial amount of additional effort and energy intake (to say nothing of personal risk), such that it's much more reasonable to look at it in terms of being forced to continue performing an action that was started at conception. Alternatively, you can look at it in terms of forbidding them from seeking treatment for a medical problem, which similarly violates bodily autonomy. Either works. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:922233696] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Your intrinsic basic needs force you to eat, s* and sleep. It doesn't make you earn money.</quote> Making money, however, is the means by which those basic needs can be realized. Transitive property, yo. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>You're being forbidden from medically intervening with your birth, they're stopping an action, not forcing one.</quote> Pregnancy (and subsequently, parenting) really isn't passive enough to look at it through that lens. It requires a substantial amount of additional effort and energy intake (to say nothing of personal risk), such that it's much more reasonable to look at it in terms of being forced to continue performing an action that was started at conception. Alternatively, you can look at it in terms of forbidding them from seeking treatment for a medical problem, which similarly violates bodily autonomy. Either works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 05/22/19 3:38:06 PM #249:	_AdjI_ posted... Alternatively, you can look at it in terms of forbidding them from seeking treatment for a medical problem, which similarly violates bodily autonomy. Either works. I don't think you understand what "bodily autonomy" means. Those women had bodily autonomy when they procreated. They still have bodily autonomy right now. Not being offered healthcare to fix YOUR problems has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. The only people who believe it does, are typical leftists who believe they're owed everything. --- "If masculinity was toxic, children growing without fathers would be better off. Unfortunately, criminals often come from single mother households." <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:922234196] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>Alternatively, you can look at it in terms of forbidding them from seeking treatment for a medical problem, which similarly violates bodily autonomy. Either works.</quote> I don't think you understand what "bodily autonomy" means. Those women had bodily autonomy when they procreated. They still have bodily autonomy right now. Not being offered healthcare to fix YOUR problems has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. The only people who believe it does, are typical leftists who believe they're owed everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/22/19 3:50:31 PM #250:	The_tall_midget posted... _AdjI_ posted... Alternatively, you can look at it in terms of forbidding them from seeking treatment for a medical problem, which similarly violates bodily autonomy. Either works. I don't think you understand what "bodily autonomy" means. Those women had bodily autonomy when they procreated. They still have bodily autonomy right now. Not being offered healthcare to fix YOUR problems has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. The only people who believe it does, are typical leftists who believe they're owed everything. Except they arent even allowed to use their own money to take care of their medical needs. Theyre denied the option all together, no matter whos paying for it... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:922234705] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote>Alternatively, you can look at it in terms of forbidding them from seeking treatment for a medical problem, which similarly violates bodily autonomy. Either works.</quote> I don't think you understand what "bodily autonomy" means. Those women had bodily autonomy when they procreated. They still have bodily autonomy right now. Not being offered healthcare to fix YOUR problems has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. The only people who believe it does, are typical leftists who believe they're owed everything.</quote> Except they arent even allowed to use their own money to take care of their medical needs. Theyre denied the option all together, no matter whos paying for it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 05/22/19 3:59:49 PM #251:	The_tall_midget posted... Not being offered healthcare to fix YOUR problems has nothing to do with bodily autonomy Being forbidden from seeking health care, however, does. Your entire position seems to be based on the presumption that people want free abortions for everyone and an obsessive hatred of the idea that anyone get anything for free, which has nothing to do with anything anyone is saying here. I'm not sure where you're getting any of that from. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:922235053] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>Not being offered healthcare to fix YOUR problems has nothing to do with bodily autonomy</quote> Being forbidden from seeking health care, however, does. Your entire position seems to be based on the presumption that people want free abortions for everyone and an obsessive hatred of the idea that anyone get anything for free, which has nothing to do with anything anyone is saying here. I'm not sure where you're getting any of that from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/22/19 4:11:33 PM #252:	If you dont make all the right choices then fuck you, you deserve to be impoverished and die Conservatives, apparently --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:922235491] in Why are pe... [t:77719119]...</cite> <quote>If you dont make all the right choices then fuck you, you deserve to be impoverished and die Conservatives, apparently</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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