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TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 7:30:01 PM #153:	Duncanwii posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too. Damn near made me spit out my water son. --- Enlightening souls with the truth. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922035131] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore</quote> It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too.</quote> Damn near made me spit out my water son.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eridania67814 05/17/19 7:32:54 PM #154:	Again, the issue isn't quite the "how dare a man tell me what to do with my uterus" it's the fact that men don't tell each other they better be more careful when in close proximity to the uterus. Condoms don't feel good, so? Does paying child support? Does knowing one of your sexual partners dying on the operation table make you feel good? Does knowing your sperm made a human but she killed it because she was sure you didn't want it make you feel good? --- -- - <cite>eridania67814 posted [p:922035231] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Again, the issue isn't quite the "how dare a man tell me what to do with my uterus" it's the fact that men don't tell each other they better be more careful when in close proximity to the uterus. Condoms don't feel good, so? Does paying child support? Does knowing one of your sexual partners dying on the operation table make you feel good? Does knowing your sperm made a human but she killed it because she was sure you didn't want it make you feel good?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/17/19 7:33:52 PM #155:	TheDrivingForce posted... Duncanwii posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too. Damn near made me spit out my water son. If he knew someone who was pregnant and wanted to carry to term, he would never describe it as a tapeworm. I wish there wouldn't be word games when it comes to describing the fetus/baby/whatever, depending on why argument you're trying to make, or person you're trying to convince --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:922035266] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote> imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore </quote> It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too.</quote> Damn near made me spit out my water son.</quote> If he knew someone who was pregnant and wanted to carry to term, he would never describe it as a tapeworm. I wish there wouldn't be word games when it comes to describing the fetus/baby/whatever, depending on why argument you're trying to make, or person you're trying to convince</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iToro86 05/17/19 7:34:58 PM #156:	thanosibe posted... No nuance, no intelligence. Just a lot of shit posting. /gamefaqs --- there's no "I" in team. <cite>iToro86 posted [p:922035312] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>No nuance, no intelligence. Just a lot of shit posting.</quote> /gamefaqs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 7:36:46 PM #157:	emblem boy posted... TheDrivingForce posted... Duncanwii posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too. Damn near made me spit out my water son. If he knew someone who was pregnant and wanted to carry to term, he would never describe it as a tapeworm. I wish there wouldn't be word games when it comes to describing the fetus/baby/whatever, depending on why argument you're trying to make, or person you're trying to convince ikr. almost makes me want to make it my signature, just for the daily reminder of don't be like this guy, EVER. --- Enlightening souls with the truth. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922035382] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote> imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore </quote> It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too.</quote> Damn near made me spit out my water son.</quote> If he knew someone who was pregnant and wanted to carry to term, he would never describe it as a tapeworm. I wish there wouldn't be word games when it comes to describing the fetus/baby/whatever, depending on why argument you're trying to make, or person you're trying to convince</quote> ikr. almost makes me want to make it my signature, just for the daily reminder of don't be like this guy, EVER.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eridania67814 05/17/19 7:40:24 PM #159:	For those of you who don't think a baby is a parasitic symbiote, you've never had one, have you? It's wonderful and awful all at once, the whole time, if you have any sense at all. Every day you wonder if your body will just nope out of it, or if you have an accident...you bask in the attention people who know or suspect give you...you're tired, you're appetite changes, your body changes...you wonder if you're ready, you remember that you live in the first world nation that leads in infant and maternal mortality rates... --- -- - <cite>eridania67814 posted [p:922035520] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>For those of you who don't think a baby is a parasitic symbiote, you've never had one, have you? It's wonderful and awful all at once, the whole time, if you have any sense at all. Every day you wonder if your body will just nope out of it, or if you have an accident...you bask in the attention people who know or suspect give you...you're tired, you're appetite changes, your body changes...you wonder if you're ready, you remember that you live in the first world nation that leads in infant and maternal mortality rates...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/17/19 7:41:11 PM #160:	And my post wasn't a dig against Duncan, many pro choice people do the same thing. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:922035551] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>And my post wasn't a dig against Duncan, many pro choice people do the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 7:42:36 PM #161:	emblem boy posted... And my post wasn't a dig against Duncan, many pro choice people do the same thing. It's all good bro. --- "It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too." - Duncanwii on abortion. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922035606] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>And my post wasn't a dig against Duncan, many pro choice people do the same thing.</quote> It's all good bro.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/17/19 8:00:08 PM #162:	emblem boy posted... TheDrivingForce posted... Duncanwii posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too. Damn near made me spit out my water son. If he knew someone who was pregnant and wanted to carry to term, he would never describe it as a tapeworm. I wish there wouldn't be word games when it comes to describing the fetus/baby/whatever, depending on why argument you're trying to make, or person you're trying to convince I think that's pretty obvious that you wouldn't say that to someone who wants a pregnancy. I think religion is weird and largely poisonous, but when I call my grandmother and she tells me about when she went to church that week, I don't say that. I still feel that way, but it's not the time or place. This is the time and place to speak your feelings when some, who will view a fetus as a parasite, are having their bodily autonomy threatened. My cousin is pregnant at the moment. She doesn't view her pregnancy as a parasite because she welcomes it. I personally find pregnancy unsettling, but I wouldn't even call hers a parasite. For someone who doesn't want it though, it very much is. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922036188] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote> imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore </quote> It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too.</quote> Damn near made me spit out my water son.</quote> If he knew someone who was pregnant and wanted to carry to term, he would never describe it as a tapeworm. I wish there wouldn't be word games when it comes to describing the fetus/baby/whatever, depending on why argument you're trying to make, or person you're trying to convince</quote> I think that's pretty obvious that you wouldn't say that to someone who wants a pregnancy. I think religion is weird and largely poisonous, but when I call my grandmother and she tells me about when she went to church that week, I don't say that. I still feel that way, but it's not the time or place. This is the time and place to speak your feelings when some, who will view a fetus as a parasite, are having their bodily autonomy threatened. My cousin is pregnant at the moment. She doesn't view her pregnancy as a parasite because she welcomes it. I personally find pregnancy unsettling, but I wouldn't even call hers a parasite. For someone who doesn't want it though, it very much is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 10:24:14 PM #163:	eridania67814 posted... @Ryo_the_Inferno if you have two people arguing over a given piece of property, how do you determine who has rights to it? Can you split it up? Can you compensate one for their "loss?" Do you go with the "sooner state" option where whomever was there first gets the rights? This is exactly one way you need to consider this argument. Woman exists. Baby shows up inside of woman. Woman has rights to that space. Figure out some options where baby does not have to occupy the same space and still lives and that works. It's only one way y'all refuse to look at it, but I probably have more anecdotes y'all will claim don't make sense or are inaccurate Here's how you decide. They both have rights to that space, you decide who gets it by who has to give up the most. A woman has to carry a baby for 9 months, and then the baby's born and can be given up for adoption or kept if she so decides. For the woman to keep her 'rights' to that space the baby has to DIE. So, I'd default to preference of protecting the baby's right to live. emblem boy posted... Who would be the villains? I think it's a willingness on the part of many to want to create a villain when there might be none Sacrificing to support a life makes you a hero, ending a life for convenience makes you a villain. I understand all the arguments for pro choice. I used to be the one making them. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922041032] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>eridania67814 posted...</cite> <quote>@Ryo_the_Inferno if you have two people arguing over a given piece of property, how do you determine who has rights to it? Can you split it up? Can you compensate one for their "loss?" Do you go with the "sooner state" option where whomever was there first gets the rights? This is exactly one way you need to consider this argument. Woman exists. Baby shows up inside of woman. Woman has rights to that space. Figure out some options where baby does not have to occupy the same space and still lives and that works. It's only one way y'all refuse to look at it, but I probably have more anecdotes y'all will claim don't make sense or are inaccurate</quote> Here's how you decide. They both have rights to that space, you decide who gets it by who has to give up the most. A woman has to carry a baby for 9 months, and then the baby's born and can be given up for adoption or kept if she so decides. For the woman to keep her 'rights' to that space the baby has to DIE. So, I'd default to preference of protecting the baby's right to live. <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>Who would be the villains? I think it's a willingness on the part of many to want to create a villain when there might be none</quote> Sacrificing to support a life makes you a hero, ending a life for convenience makes you a villain. I understand all the arguments for pro choice. I used to be the one making them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eridania67814 05/17/19 10:32:43 PM #164:	@Ryo_the_Inferno you're probably missing the most important argument, could it happen to you? Can you get pregnant and ever be presented with the choice, or lack of one? Funny how the same people want the government to stay out of their guns and their spousal abuse and their religion and their car, but want it in a woman's body --- -- - <cite>eridania67814 posted [p:922041304] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>@Ryo_the_Inferno you're probably missing the most important argument, could it happen to you? Can you get pregnant and ever be presented with the choice, or lack of one? Funny how the same people want the government to stay out of their guns and their spousal abuse and their religion and their car, but want it in a woman's body</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaccharineSmile 05/17/19 10:50:46 PM #165:	why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't --- Sent from my IPhone X <cite>SaccharineSmile posted [p:922041811] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 10:51:44 PM #166:	eridania67814 posted... @Ryo_the_Inferno you're probably missing the most important argument, could it happen to you? Can you get pregnant and ever be presented with the choice, or lack of one? Funny how the same people want the government to stay out of their guns and their spousal abuse and their religion and their car, but want it in a woman's body Basically, yes. It did. I didn't carry him for 9 months, but the choice was taken away from me. I don't regret that it happened, my son is the greatest thing to ever come into my life, but I do resent how it happened. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922041846] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>eridania67814 posted...</cite> <quote>@Ryo_the_Inferno you're probably missing the most important argument, could it happen to you? Can you get pregnant and ever be presented with the choice, or lack of one? Funny how the same people want the government to stay out of their guns and their spousal abuse and their religion and their car, but want it in a woman's body</quote> Basically, yes. It did. I didn't carry him for 9 months, but the choice was taken away from me. I don't regret that it happened, my son is the greatest thing to ever come into my life, but I do resent how it happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/17/19 10:57:54 PM #167:	The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922042065] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 10:59:07 PM #168:	Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922042109] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/17/19 11:01:05 PM #169:	Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922042168] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/17/19 11:02:13 PM #170:	SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they think it's a human like even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:922042204] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote>why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they think it's a human like even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 11:05:42 PM #171:	Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922042325] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/17/19 11:07:34 PM #172:	Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922042382] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 05/17/19 11:11:12 PM #173:	iToro86 posted... thanosibe posted... No nuance, no intelligence. Just a lot of shit posting. /gamefaqs Yeah pretty much nerds on gamefaqs shit posting about something theyve never experienced because political shit posting is the norm. Its scary how little they actually understand the intricacies of abortion and just need to fill their pretentious egos. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:922042493] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>iToro86 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>No nuance, no intelligence. Just a lot of shit posting.</quote> /gamefaqs</quote>Yeah pretty much nerds on gamefaqs shit posting about something theyve never experienced because political shit posting is the norm. Its scary how little they actually understand the intricacies of abortion and just need to fill their pretentious egos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 11:16:34 PM #174:	Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922042654] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/17/19 11:18:47 PM #175:	Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months. "Inconvenienced" You're really showing that you have no idea what you're talking about here. Also, no, it doesn't. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922042715] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months.</quote> "Inconvenienced" You're really showing that you have no idea what you're talking about here. Also, no, it doesn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaccharineSmile 05/17/19 11:19:02 PM #176:	emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" --- Sent from my IPhone X <cite>SaccharineSmile posted [p:922042720] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 05/17/19 11:19:44 PM #177:	Wow Rinku really is dedicated to his shit posting gimmick. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:922042747] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Wow Rinku really is dedicated to his shit posting gimmick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 11:21:47 PM #178:	Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. What the fuck is up with you emphasizing "it", as if they're some fucking accessory. --- "It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too." - Duncanwii on abortion. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922042810] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> What the fuck is up with you emphasizing "it", as if they're some fucking accessory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 11:22:11 PM #179:	_Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months. "Inconvenienced" You're really showing that you have no idea what you're talking about here. Also, no, it doesn't. Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922042821] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months.</quote> "Inconvenienced" You're really showing that you have no idea what you're talking about here. Also, no, it doesn't.</quote> Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/17/19 11:24:25 PM #180:	Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months. It has nothing to do with convenience. If the fetus has no right to the mother's body, then the mother can have it removed from her body. She can use her knowledge of what will result to help her make that decision, but ultimately, even if death is the inevitable outcome, no human has a right to take from another human's body. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922042899] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> Nope. A baby's right to life is higher in importance to a woman's right to not be inconvenienced for 9 months.</quote> It has nothing to do with convenience. If the fetus has no right to the mother's body, then the mother can have it removed from her body. She can use her knowledge of what will result to help her make that decision, but ultimately, even if death is the inevitable outcome, no human has a right to take from another human's body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 05/17/19 11:24:39 PM #181:	SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:922042907] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote>You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/17/19 11:24:40 PM #182:	Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child. Again, you prove you have zero clue what you're talking about. A pregnancy is far more of an ordeal that can result in permanent damage to a woman's body than you realize. Calling it an "inconvenience " is arrogant and ignorant. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922042908] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child.</quote> Again, you prove you have zero clue what you're talking about. A pregnancy is far more of an ordeal that can result in permanent damage to a woman's body than you realize. Calling it an "inconvenience " is arrogant and ignorant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/17/19 11:26:30 PM #183:	TheDrivingForce posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body. And the baby's body is exclusively it's body. Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed. I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating. And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it. What the fuck is up with you emphasizing "it", as if they're some fucking accessory. Because most of the time the fetus's gender isn't known. If you would rather I use they, I can do that as well. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922042954] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The mother's body is not a piece of property that the mother and the fetus both have a right to. The mother's body is exclusively her body.</quote> And the baby's body is exclusively it's body.</quote> Correct. And so if the mother doesn't want it in there, she can rightfully have it removed.</quote> I can agree to that, but she can't rightfully end it's life, so she'll have to find somewhere else for it to finish gestating.</quote> And if that's not possible, it will die. And if we know it will die, the more humane choice is to kill it.</quote> What the fuck is up with you emphasizing "it", as if they're some fucking accessory.</quote> Because most of the time the fetus's gender isn't known. If you would rather I use they, I can do that as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/17/19 11:27:46 PM #184:	SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:922042985] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't </quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote> Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaccharineSmile 05/17/19 11:29:47 PM #185:	thanosibe posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off. okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view --- Sent from my IPhone X <cite>SaccharineSmile posted [p:922043047] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote>You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off.</quote> okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/17/19 11:30:54 PM #186:	No one should make laws about other people's bodies. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922043072] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>No one should make laws about other people's bodies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 11:31:33 PM #187:	_Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child. Again, you prove you have zero clue what you're talking about. A pregnancy is far more of an ordeal that can result in permanent damage to a woman's body than you realize. Calling it an "inconvenience " is arrogant and ignorant. permanent damage is a major inconvenience, I'll grant you that. But it's less of an inconvenience than being, you know, killed. inconvenience verb in con ve nience \| \ in-kn-v-nyn(t)s transitive verb : to cause problems or trouble for : subject to inconvenience --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922043087] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child.</quote> Again, you prove you have zero clue what you're talking about. A pregnancy is far more of an ordeal that can result in permanent damage to a woman's body than you realize. Calling it an "inconvenience " is arrogant and ignorant.</quote> permanent damage is a major inconvenience, I'll grant you that. But it's less of an inconvenience than being, you know, killed. inconvenience verb in con ve nience \| \ in-kn-v-nyn(t)s transitive verb : to cause problems or trouble for : subject to inconvenience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaccharineSmile 05/17/19 11:32:13 PM #188:	emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives well until their is a woman in power to make these calls (meaning we have facts that women do make this laws too), then its the men that have this fixation of controlling women's personal decisions on her body --- Sent from my IPhone X <cite>SaccharineSmile posted [p:922043109] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't </quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote> Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives</quote> well until their is a woman in power to make these calls (meaning we have facts that women do make this laws too), then its the men that have this fixation of controlling women's personal decisions on her body</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/17/19 11:32:58 PM #189:	emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives I mean, I see it as a human and I still support abortion. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922043133] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't </quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote> Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives</quote> I mean, I see it as a human and I still support abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 11:32:58 PM #190:	_Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child. Again, you prove you have zero clue what you're talking about. A pregnancy is far more of an ordeal that can result in permanent damage to a woman's body than you realize. Calling it an "inconvenience " is arrogant and ignorant. That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliver the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion. --- "It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too." - Duncanwii on abortion. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922043134] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, inconvenienced. Her life is negatively affected by a pregnancy she doesn't want for 9 months, but for god's sake her life doesn't end just because she's pregnant. The truth is, most abortions are done for convenience. Not health issues, not even rape victims not wanting to carry their rapist's child.</quote> Again, you prove you have zero clue what you're talking about. A pregnancy is far more of an ordeal that can result in permanent damage to a woman's body than you realize. Calling it an "inconvenience " is arrogant and ignorant.</quote> That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliver the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 11:33:02 PM #191:	hockeybub89 posted... No one should make laws about other people's bodies. "Killing is illegal" "How dare you make a law about who I'm allowed to kill!" "Yeah, how dare you make a law about who's allowed to kill me!" --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922043136] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>No one should make laws about other people's bodies.</quote> "Killing is illegal" "How dare you make a law about who I'm allowed to kill!" "Yeah, how dare you make a law about who's allowed to kill me!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/17/19 11:37:20 PM #192:	hockeybub89 posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives I mean, I see it as a human and I still support abortion. You're the most respectable abortion supporter I've seen. On the one hand, you're saying you're alright with ending an innocent human life, on the other hand you're honest about it. Not sarcasm, by the way. The honesty gets huge respect from me. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922043277] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't </quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote> Do you not think there are women who would make these same laws if they were in the seat? If they see it as a human, then to them abortion would be essentially killing a life. It makes sense in the sense that they see it as saving lives</quote> I mean, I see it as a human and I still support abortion.</quote> You're the most respectable abortion supporter I've seen. On the one hand, you're saying you're alright with ending an innocent human life, on the other hand you're honest about it. Not sarcasm, by the way. The honesty gets huge respect from me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/17/19 11:39:45 PM #193:	TheDrivingForce posted... That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion. It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922043341] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote>That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion.</quote> It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 11:40:34 PM #194:	_Rinku_ posted... TheDrivingForce posted... That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion. It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth. Dude, I fucking lived through it. I don't need articles. I fucking lived through it. --- "It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too." - Duncanwii on abortion. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922043368] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote>That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion.</quote> It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth.</quote> Dude, I fucking lived through it. I don't need articles. I fucking lived through it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/17/19 11:41:48 PM #195:	TheDrivingForce posted... _Rinku_ posted... TheDrivingForce posted... That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion. It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth. Dude, I fucking lived through it. Cool, you had a relatively smooth pregnancy. Your story isn't everyone's. A woman should have the choice of whether or not to take that risk. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922043397] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote>That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion.</quote> It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth.</quote> Dude, I fucking lived through it.</quote> Cool, you had a relatively smooth pregnancy. Your story isn't everyone's. A woman should have the choice of whether or not to take that risk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDrivingForce 05/17/19 11:43:28 PM #196:	_Rinku_ posted... TheDrivingForce posted... _Rinku_ posted... TheDrivingForce posted... That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion. It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth. Dude, I fucking lived through it. Cool, you had a relatively smooth pregnancy. Your story isn't everyone's. A woman should have the choice of whether or not to take that risk. No, it was not a smooth pregnancy I assure you that much. --- "It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too." - Duncanwii on abortion. <cite>TheDrivingForce posted [p:922043431] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote>That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion.</quote> It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth.</quote> Dude, I fucking lived through it.</quote> Cool, you had a relatively smooth pregnancy. Your story isn't everyone's. A woman should have the choice of whether or not to take that risk.</quote> No, it was not a smooth pregnancy I assure you that much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/17/19 11:46:44 PM #197:	TheDrivingForce posted... _Rinku_ posted... TheDrivingForce posted... _Rinku_ posted... TheDrivingForce posted... That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion. It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth. Dude, I fucking lived through it. Cool, you had a relatively smooth pregnancy. Your story isn't everyone's. A woman should have the choice of whether or not to take that risk. No, it was not a smooth pregnancy I assure you that much. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Do you want other women to have a choice about it? <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922043528] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDrivingForce posted...</cite> <quote>That would fall under health issues. A pregnant woman gets her blood tested, if there's any abnormalities, the doctor suggests to either deliever the baby earlier than expected, usually by cutting open the stomach, or in worst case scenario if it could prove fatal, abortion.</quote> It is astounding how ignorant you are on the subject. You sound like the guy claiming the body could just "take care" of a decomposing fetus without intervention. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications Here's a list of common changes in a normal pregnancy. These are not "Inconveniences." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/24/686790727/fourth-trimester-problems-can-have-long-term-effects-on-a-moms-health Here's an article about the various ways an average woman's body can be damaged in pregnancy and childbirth.</quote> Dude, I fucking lived through it.</quote> Cool, you had a relatively smooth pregnancy. Your story isn't everyone's. A woman should have the choice of whether or not to take that risk.</quote> No, it was not a smooth pregnancy I assure you that much.</quote> I'm sorry you had to go through that. Do you want other women to have a choice about it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 05/17/19 11:47:37 PM #198:	I will admit, I feel like I have seen an increase in men saying abortion is "baby murder". It's kind of interesting because most people in favor of abortion don't typically advocate for late-term abortions. Instead, the cap is more or less 20 weeks when the fetus is severely underdeveloped. What separates it from murder is that it's not a formed sentient creature yet (though it's on that path). But I wouldn't want to get in the way of a bunch of single dudes talking about how savage women who get abortions are. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:922043554] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>I will admit, I feel like I have seen an increase in men saying abortion is "baby murder". It's kind of interesting because most people in favor of abortion don't typically advocate for late-term abortions. Instead, the cap is more or less 20 weeks when the fetus is severely underdeveloped. What separates it from murder is that it's not a formed sentient creature yet (though it's on that path). But I wouldn't want to get in the way of a bunch of single dudes talking about how savage women who get abortions are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eridania67814 05/17/19 11:52:21 PM #200:	If we can't ban guns to save even one life, we can't ban abortions to save even one life. Bottom line, useless legislation to "inconvenience" people and force them to do dangerous things or break the law. Making it against the law doesn't make it wrong, just like making things legal doesn't make it right. And I'm not -for- abortion, even though I've had one. I just know when you start banning abortion you get shit like what happened to that woman in the UK where she died of sepsis because her fetus died and the body didn't expel it and no one would remove it. I just know miscarriages will become manslaughter on that path, that women won't be able to work while pregnant because it might make her stress or have an accident and miscarry, and then women won't even be able to take care of themselves, but still have to attempt to carry a baby to term --- -- - <cite>eridania67814 posted [p:922043680] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>If we can't ban guns to save even one life, we can't ban abortions to save even one life. Bottom line, useless legislation to "inconvenience" people and force them to do dangerous things or break the law. Making it against the law doesn't make it wrong, just like making things legal doesn't make it right. And I'm not -for- abortion, even though I've had one. I just know when you start banning abortion you get shit like what happened to that woman in the UK where she died of sepsis because her fetus died and the body didn't expel it and no one would remove it. I just know miscarriages will become manslaughter on that path, that women won't be able to work while pregnant because it might make her stress or have an accident and miscarry, and then women won't even be able to take care of themselves, but still have to attempt to carry a baby to term</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 05/18/19 12:01:32 AM #201:	SaccharineSmile posted... thanosibe posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off. okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view Abortions are bad when theyre made out of inconvenience. Like oh hey I had consensual unprotected sex and now Im pregnant and dont want to deal with the consequences of my actions. I hold no religious views regarding abortion but its not a quick fix. Its a last ditch effort. Its weighed all the odds and this is my only choice. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:922043925] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote>You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off.</quote> okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view</quote>Abortions are bad when theyre made out of inconvenience. Like oh hey I had consensual unprotected sex and now Im pregnant and dont want to deal with the consequences of my actions. I hold no religious views regarding abortion but its not a quick fix. Its a last ditch effort. Its weighed all the odds and this is my only choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 05/18/19 12:03:10 AM #202:	thanosibe posted... SaccharineSmile posted... thanosibe posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off. okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view Abortions are bad when theyre made out of inconvenience. Like oh hey I had consensual unprotected sex and now Im pregnant and dont want to deal with the consequences of my actions. I hold no religious views regarding abortion but its not a quick fix. Its a last ditch effort. Its weighed all the odds and this is my only choice. Do you think it benefits the kid to make that kind of woman have them? --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:922043972] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote>You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off.</quote> okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view</quote>Abortions are bad when theyre made out of inconvenience. Like oh hey I had consensual unprotected sex and now Im pregnant and dont want to deal with the consequences of my actions. I hold no religious views regarding abortion but its not a quick fix. Its a last ditch effort. Its weighed all the odds and this is my only choice.</quote> Do you think it benefits the kid to make that kind of woman have them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/18/19 12:04:01 AM #203:	thanosibe posted... SaccharineSmile posted... thanosibe posted... SaccharineSmile posted... emblem boy posted... SaccharineSmile posted... why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right? what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so" You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off. okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view Abortions are bad when theyre made out of inconvenience. Like oh hey I had consensual unprotected sex and now Im pregnant and dont want to deal with the consequences of my actions. I hold no religious views regarding abortion but its not a quick fix. Its a last ditch effort. Its weighed all the odds and this is my only choice. Pregnancies can result from protected sex. No form of protection (save abstinence) is 100% effective. You're also acting like having an abortion isn't a consequence/taking responsibility. You are literally doing something to take care of the situation. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922043990] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaccharineSmile posted...</cite> <quote> why should random religious men be concerned about someone else's abortion (or their life choices) how does this even affect the anti-abortion person's personal life? it doesn't</quote> If they see it as a human life even while in the womb, then to them, what they're doing makes sense. And again, how does them being men have anything to do with it. Hell, you know there are non religious people who are pro life right?</quote> what makes sense? give me reasons how do they see it "making sense" to not get an abortion? take religious out of the equation, and everything is logical instead of "it just makes sense" and because the law makers that push the law are men who have this idea that women are "their property because religion said so"</quote>You do know theres a shit ton of people whose views on abortion arent rooted in religion? I know its an easy cop out for people that are adamant to never change their views. But holy shit. This association as an exclusive that all people not completely cool with aborting children regardless of the consequences are religious is a crutch yall need to seriously left off.</quote> okay so WHY do they (regardless for religious views) think abortions are bad? reasons like i feel or just makes sense to me fall under some underlying religious view</quote>Abortions are bad when theyre made out of inconvenience. Like oh hey I had consensual unprotected sex and now Im pregnant and dont want to deal with the consequences of my actions. I hold no religious views regarding abortion but its not a quick fix. Its a last ditch effort. Its weighed all the odds and this is my only choice.</quote> Pregnancies can result from protected sex. No form of protection (save abstinence) is 100% effective. You're also acting like having an abortion isn't a consequence/taking responsibility. You are literally doing something to take care of the situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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