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Paragon21XX
05/17/19 11:52:48 AM
#51:


_Rinku_ posted...
BilalPowell posted...
Date out of stomach is kind of an arbitrary point in time to decide a child can no longer be murdered. People can't live independently until we're 18. Maybe that should be the legal abortion limit.

It's less arbitrary than "when there's a detectable heartbeat" as if that has some spiritual meaning and isn't literally just a group of cells doing their specialized task.

Some could successfully argue that about your own existence.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 11:53:33 AM
#52:


BilalPowell posted...
Date out of stomach is kind of an arbitrary point in time to decide a child can no longer be murdered. People can't live independently until we're 18. Maybe that should be the legal abortion limit.


Baby develop in the stomach?
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tennisdude818
05/17/19 11:54:18 AM
#53:


It is very annoying to hear big government feminists trying to sound libertarian. My body, your wallet is a weak position to be doing that from.
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Nidhoggr
05/17/19 11:56:55 AM
#54:


It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.
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hollow_shrine
05/17/19 11:56:58 AM
#55:


tennisdude818 posted...
It is very annoying to hear big government feminists trying to sound libertarian. My body, your wallet is a weak position to be doing that from.

As opposed to 'my body, my choice,' you mean. I agree. Their chosen position on bodily autonomy and reproductive justice is much more defensible.
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thanosibe
05/17/19 11:59:44 AM
#56:


GasMonkey posted...
A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
I like how all your examples but one are from the Old Testament, a defunct covenant between God and his people with Jesus sacrifice and a new covenant was made. And then the one example you do take out of the New Testament is completely taken out of context and Jesus' words in that scripture have zero to do with abortion.

To be honest, the shit posting extremist on both sides of this controversy make actual discussion almost indistinguishable. So most people that want actual conversation just give up.
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jborgan
05/17/19 12:00:48 PM
#57:


Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 12:02:37 PM
#58:


jborgan posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.

Pro-choice people like to call pro-life people anti-choice. Same thing both sides.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 12:02:57 PM
#59:


thanosibe posted...
GasMonkey posted...
A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
I like how all your examples but one are from the Old Testament, a defunct covenant between God and his people with Jesus sacrifice and a new covenant was made. And then the one example you do take out of the New Testament is completely taken out of context and Jesus' words in that scripture have zero to do with abortion.

To be honest, the shit posting extremist on both sides of this controversy make actual discussion almost indistinguishable. So most people that want actual conversation just give up.

Pretty sure Jesus literally says he did not come to abolish the old laws.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 12:03:20 PM
#60:


GasMonkey posted...
A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).


Numbers 31:17 (Moses) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for Gods intervention. Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance 0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

The list is endless for both sides
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jborgan
05/17/19 12:07:56 PM
#61:


BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.

Pro-choice people like to call pro-life people anti-choice. Same thing both sides.

Nope. Pro-choice people don't care if a woman has a baby or not. They care if she has the choice.
Pro-lifers want to take that choice away. Anti-choice is accurate.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 12:09:35 PM
#62:


jborgan posted...
BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.

Pro-choice people like to call pro-life people anti-choice. Same thing both sides.

Nope. Pro-choice people don't care if a woman has a baby or not. They care if she has the choice.
Pro-lifers want to take that choice away. Anti-choice is accurate.

Was about to say just that.
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Dragonblade01
05/17/19 12:09:44 PM
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While I'm all for more representation making its way into political offices, I'm less concerned about their demographics and more about their shitty policies.
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 12:11:39 PM
#64:


jborgan posted...
BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.

Pro-choice people like to call pro-life people anti-choice. Same thing both sides.

Nope. Pro-choice people don't care if a woman has a baby or not. They care if she has the choice.
Pro-lifers want to take that choice away. Anti-choice is accurate.

I'm sure if it's a pregnant 14 year old they're very anti-life.
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Dragonblade01
05/17/19 12:11:43 PM
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Regarding the Bible, since women are primarily the property of men, its views surrounding abortion fall in line with that (typically, unacceptable if it's the husband's child, more acceptable if it isn't).
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jborgan
05/17/19 12:18:01 PM
#66:


BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.

Pro-choice people like to call pro-life people anti-choice. Same thing both sides.

Nope. Pro-choice people don't care if a woman has a baby or not. They care if she has the choice.
Pro-lifers want to take that choice away. Anti-choice is accurate.

I'm sure if it's a pregnant 14 year old they're very anti-life.

Mainly because pregnancy, and giving birth specifically, is a very stressful experience that many fully developed, adult women have trouble going through, let alone a 14 year old. But if the 14 year old wanted to have the baby, I would be okay with that...because it's her choice, as long as she knows the risks involved. Pro-lifers don't understand that pregnancy is not easy and would force, let's say an 11 year old to give birth, even though it would probably kill her. Kind of defeats the purpose of being pro-life.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-abortion-heartbeat-bill-pregnant-11-year-old-rape-victim-barred-abortion-after-new-ohio-abortion-bill-2019-05-13/
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 12:18:22 PM
#67:


BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
BilalPowell posted...
jborgan posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
It's a lost cause. Anti-lifers continually go out of their way to dehumanize unborn babies to convince themselves and others that it isn't the taking of a life. They want to virtue signal and be "progressive" to the point that they are fine with cold-blooded murder. Honestly sickens me.

"Anti-life"

That's a new one. The trolls are coming up with new ways to lie to fit their agenda.

Pro-choice people like to call pro-life people anti-choice. Same thing both sides.

Nope. Pro-choice people don't care if a woman has a baby or not. They care if she has the choice.
Pro-lifers want to take that choice away. Anti-choice is accurate.

I'm sure if it's a pregnant 14 year old they're very anti-life.

Why do you think that?

Pro-choice people want that girl to have the choice of what to do.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 12:19:46 PM
#68:


burritosatan posted...

Question - how do you feel about the killing of animals?

I'm gonna stop you right here, because if you're trying to compare a human child to a wild/farm animal, it's not gonna hold any water.
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hollow_shrine
05/17/19 12:21:35 PM
#69:


You see, what pro-choice people apparently aren't telling you is that we're all actually just worshipers of Darkseid, and if abortion access is completely democratized, Thanos will snap and Omega Beams will jump out of every cell phone and start deleting unborn children from their wombs.

So we can see this "anti-life" verbiage is actually spot on.

Have a good morning and remember. Darkseid is.
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The Top Crusader
05/17/19 12:22:32 PM
#70:


CableZL posted...
No one should be writing legislation based on religious beliefs.


I realize that a lot of pro-life groups are religion based but I never understood that. The recent laws everyone is talking about are pretty crazy, but I'm generally against abortion because I think murdering babies is usually not cool, not because of God or Jesus or Moses or something. *shrugs*
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 12:23:37 PM
#71:


The Top Crusader posted...
CableZL posted...
No one should be writing legislation based on religious beliefs.


I realize that a lot of pro-life groups are religion based but I never understood that. The recent laws everyone is talking about are pretty crazy, but I'm generally against abortion because I think murdering babies is usually not cool, not because of God or Jesus or Moses or something. *shrugs*

I'm sorry you think abortion involves murdering a baby.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 12:28:18 PM
#72:


_Rinku_ posted...
I'm sorry you think abortion involves murdering a baby.

It does. That is its sole purpose. Abortion does nothing other than end the life of a growing child inside its mother's womb. It kills a baby. It's not like gun ownership, where ~95% of people who own a gun have never shot/killed anything with it.

100% of abortions have been performed with the intention of purposely slaying a growing baby.
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Duncanwii
05/17/19 12:31:07 PM
#73:


The 11 year old needs to just get the abortion anyway. Her life overshadows the "life" of the thing the rapist put inside her.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 12:32:54 PM
#74:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
I'm sorry you think abortion involves murdering a baby.

It does. That is its sole purpose. Abortion does nothing other than end the life of a growing child inside its mother's womb. It kills a baby. It's not like gun ownership, where ~95% of people who own a gun have never shot/killed anything with it.

100% of abortions have been performed with the intention of purposely slaying a growing baby.

It's not a baby.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 12:33:21 PM
#75:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
burritosatan posted...

Question - how do you feel about the killing of animals?

I'm gonna stop you right here, because if you're trying to compare a human child to a wild/farm animal, it's not gonna hold any water.


Woah - I asked about how you feel about the killings of innocent animals. Are you insinuating that all life is sacred? Or are some animals more important than others to you? Who gets to make that call?
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Dragonblade01
05/17/19 12:35:21 PM
#76:


The purpose of abortion is not to kill the fetus. The purpose of abortion is to remove the fetus from the mother. The fact that the former follows the latter in the vast majority of cases does not alter the purpose of abortion.
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scorpion41
05/17/19 12:37:02 PM
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When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 12:40:14 PM
#78:


scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be viable. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.
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pikachupwnage
05/17/19 12:41:05 PM
#79:


burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others. We shame, shun or expel those who are filthy and unhygienic.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around. Flu outbreaks would be worse. Various diseases would be more common.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.
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Were_Wyrm
05/17/19 12:45:47 PM
#80:


What if the man making the law has a vagina?
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Kami_no_Kami
05/17/19 12:52:48 PM
#81:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Nah. It's potential to be a human at best as a fetus.

I remember being an edgy kid about abortion when I was in high school through my early twenties. I used some of the exact same terminology and justifications that you're using right now... thank God I'm not a monster anymore. I'm ashamed of the person I used to be.


You still sound like an edgy kid to me...
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burritosatan
05/17/19 12:54:42 PM
#82:


pikachupwnage posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.


1. If you get the vaccine then what's there to worry about

2. Sure second hand smoke is bad I agree, but you cant ban smoking entirely. Just force people to do it on their own property.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.


I've been saying forever we need a mandatory fat tax unless you get a physical from your doctor starting you are not in the obese category.
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Dragonblade01
05/17/19 12:55:59 PM
#83:


pikachupwnage posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others. We shame, shun or expel those who are filthy and unhygienic.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around. Flu outbreaks would be worse. Various diseases would be more common.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.

We do indeed give up some degree of control when allowing what goes in our bodies. But not regarding what is taken from our bodies.
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pikachupwnage
05/17/19 1:00:38 PM
#84:


1. If you get the vaccine then what's there to worry about

Because those with compromised immune systems(Those with cancer, AIDS, the extremely young/old etc.) often cant get them or the effectiveness is lost.

And because vaccines are not 100% assurances you cant get that disease. Its highly unlikely but a vaccinated person can still catch that disease.

Herd immunity is important.

2. Only allowable if no other non smokers live in the same property/you can regularly prove you smoke in place/manner that allows no-negligible amounts of smoke to be exposed to non smokers. Also still the issue with state funded/universal healthcare.
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scorpion41
05/17/19 1:19:16 PM
#85:


_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 1:25:42 PM
#86:


scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...
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scorpion41
05/17/19 1:27:42 PM
#87:


burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 1:45:50 PM
#88:


scorpion41 posted...
burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.

Holy shit no it doesn't. You need to learn before you run your mouth.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 1:46:04 PM
#89:


scorpion41 posted...
burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.


Yaaa... the same way it can literally fail and die during a natural childbirth to a healthy baby... the body isnt infallible
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Duncanwii
05/17/19 1:47:53 PM
#90:


scorpion41 posted...
burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.

Remember the guy who said that rapes are consensual because the body would have ways of shutting "legitimate" rapes down? You sound just like that guy right now.
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Foppe
05/17/19 1:48:24 PM
#91:


Perhaps women should vote in some more females into those kind of positions?
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DevsBro
05/17/19 1:49:27 PM
#92:


burritosatan posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.


1. If you get the vaccine then what's there to worry about

2. Sure second hand smoke is bad I agree, but you cant ban smoking entirely. Just force people to do it on their own property.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.


I've been saying forever we need a mandatory fat tax unless you get a physical from your doctor starting you are not in the obese category.

That's a whole lot of people getting a fat tax.

It's amazing how few people realize what a borderline case looks like.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 1:51:39 PM
#93:


DevsBro posted...
burritosatan posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.


1. If you get the vaccine then what's there to worry about

2. Sure second hand smoke is bad I agree, but you cant ban smoking entirely. Just force people to do it on their own property.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.


I've been saying forever we need a mandatory fat tax unless you get a physical from your doctor starting you are not in the obese category.

That's a whole lot of people getting a fat tax.

It's amazing how few people realize what a borderline case looks like.


Overweight and obese are different, but if that many peoples are borderline obese then the fat tax makes sense.

Besides, it's the same as smoking cigarettes. You can literally change anytime you want to
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jborgan
05/17/19 2:01:24 PM
#94:


scorpion41 posted...
burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.

The human body does not just take care of a dead fetus inside the body. This type of misinformation is exactly why the US has the highest number of pregnancy related mortality rates regarding first world countries. The dead fetus needs to come out via a medical procedure, which is why you have liberals "advocating" for late term abortions. It's so she doesn't die, not because she decided she didn't want a baby at the last minute.
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DevsBro
05/17/19 2:05:30 PM
#95:


burritosatan posted...
DevsBro posted...
burritosatan posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.


1. If you get the vaccine then what's there to worry about

2. Sure second hand smoke is bad I agree, but you cant ban smoking entirely. Just force people to do it on their own property.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.


I've been saying forever we need a mandatory fat tax unless you get a physical from your doctor starting you are not in the obese category.

That's a whole lot of people getting a fat tax.

It's amazing how few people realize what a borderline case looks like.


Overweight and obese are different, but if that many peoples are borderline obese then the fat tax makes sense.

Besides, it's the same as smoking cigarettes. You can literally change anytime you want to

I know.

And here's what a case that is borderline between overweight and obese looks like:

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scorpion41
05/17/19 2:11:54 PM
#96:


_Rinku_ posted...Duncanwii posted...
You really need to learn how the human body works before calling someone out. Makes you look less stupid.

burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.


Yaaa... the same way it can literally fail and die during a natural childbirth to a healthy baby... the body isnt infallible


Never said the body was infallible. If that were the case thered be hardly any reason for doctors and specialists. But, the odds of the body not ejecting the dead fetus before infection sets in is slim to none.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 2:18:28 PM
#97:


scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...Duncanwii posted...
You really need to learn how the human body works before calling someone out. Makes you look less stupid.

burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
burritosatan posted...
scorpion41 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
scorpion41 posted...
When you have liberals advocating for late term abortions, like in New York, youre going to have conservatives pushing to the other extreme, which is a ban on the procedure almost entirely. I dont know why people didnt foresee this coming.

"Liberals" weren't advocating for late term abortions in New York. When you say that, you are spreading a lie. New York simply wanted it to be legal for non-viable late term pregnancies to be terminated. That way women aren't dying of sepsis due to a literal rotting corpse inside of them.


If thats the reason they gave, then its bullshit because you can go up to a month before the corpse causes an infection. Two things will happen depending on the month, preterm labor if its before 39 weeks and term delivery after 39 weeks. Theres almost no reason to justify a third trimester abortion unless its something that will immediately affect the mother.


Would you be cool with a dead corpse inside you fornan entire month??...


Im saying the human body takes care of the issue itself.


Yaaa... the same way it can literally fail and die during a natural childbirth to a healthy baby... the body isnt infallible


Never said the body was infallible. If that were the case thered be hardly any reason for doctors and specialists. But, the odds of the body not ejecting the dead fetus before infection sets in is slim to none.

Yeah, that's why maternal mortality is so high in this country, because the body just almost always does that.

Seriously, actually listen to the multiple people telling you how dead wrong you are. You are actively making society worse by spreading your misinformation.
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The Catgirl Fondler
05/17/19 2:59:34 PM
#98:


Pro-lifers proving once again to be shit-tier people?

Huh, must be another day ending in "y".
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Sackgurl
05/17/19 3:08:22 PM
#99:


The bigger lie is the idea that anything liberals do is driving the conservative push for total abortion bans; it's been explicitly stated by the AL bill author that her motivation is to be the one to force a new SCOTUS case on Roe v Wade. Same is true for the others. This is happening now because there's a clear conservative majority.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/19 3:08:54 PM
#100:


burritosatan posted...
DevsBro posted...
burritosatan posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


Except when it affects others.

Like Vaccines. If we gave a fuck whether people wanted Vaccines or not we might still have smallpox going around.

Or smoking. It expels harmful smoke and thus its not just about your body. Those around you can be harmed.


1. If you get the vaccine then what's there to worry about

2. Sure second hand smoke is bad I agree, but you cant ban smoking entirely. Just force people to do it on their own property.

Also this is quite problematic for universal health care because you effectively foot the bill for someone disregarding their own health and strain overall medical resources.


I've been saying forever we need a mandatory fat tax unless you get a physical from your doctor starting you are not in the obese category.

That's a whole lot of people getting a fat tax.

It's amazing how few people realize what a borderline case looks like.


Overweight and obese are different, but if that many peoples are borderline obese then the fat tax makes sense.

Besides, it's the same as smoking cigarettes. You can literally change anytime you want to

You realize you can fall into the obese category even, with minimal body fat, right?
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