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NFUN
06/19/19 10:58:22 PM
#402:


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red sox 777
06/19/19 11:02:05 PM
#403:


xp1337 posted...
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they probably read Ayn Rand

in depressingly relevant news

When SCOTUS released opinions back on Monday, in an opinion authored by Kavanaugh he wrote, "Some people have said, 'the larger the government, the smaller the individual'" (quoting from memory may have a word or two wrong) he didn't cite it so a journalist tried to find the source of the quote.

They couldn't get an exact match and the only one they got was a Randian twitter account. (They found a similar quote from someone that they assume is the original source) but... yeah...


Well, she is one of the most influential authors of the last century. I'm sure Justice Kavanaugh (or one of his law clerks, who is just as likely to have been the person who put that in the draft opinion) is well read and is not reading Ayn Rand exclusively.
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LordoftheMorons
06/19/19 11:02:46 PM
#404:


https://twitter.com/jimtankersley/status/1141515624071487488

I like to think I have a pretty good understanding of Trump at this point, but I'm still amazed that he manages to make these astoundingly dumb statements in ways no other human ever would

It's almost like a work of art
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Nrrr
06/19/19 11:05:46 PM
#405:


I would bet that a lot of conservatives have read the Bible. Unfortunately if you look at most conservatives, I hate (love) to bring this up again, but look at Paul Ryan loving rage against the machine. The countless people who love the Bible and Jesus and completely behave in opposition to his teachings. SephGs movie topic, where he loves touching films that are human stories but is almost completely lacking humanity. Getting the point of things requires critical thinking, and even the ones who understand the point...they are just stories.
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xp1337
06/19/19 11:09:28 PM
#406:


Looked it up again. The lawyer who tried to dig into this says his search returned the twitter of the Atlas Society (a Randian group) and then a libertarian talk show host.

Further digging seems to trace it back to a 1970 book by Roger Freeman (an economic advisor to Eisenhower and Nixon), The Growth of American Government. Which... makes more sense.

Leaving this here for clarification/correction.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 11:33:31 PM
#407:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/jimtankersley/status/1141515624071487488

I like to think I have a pretty good understanding of Trump at this point, but I'm still amazed that he manages to make these astoundingly dumb statements in ways no other human ever would

It's almost like a work of art


Well, the Laffer Curve is undoubtedly a very important concept in economics. In 200 years it will be in all the history books about the era since 1980.

And the core claim is provably true using only very obvious assumptions. The following is a very rough proof sketch I put together in a few minutes, don't mind any lack of rigor please.

Axioms

1 (axiom). Income cannot be produced except by action by a person or persons.
2 (axiom). Tax revenue = tax rate x income.
3 (axiom). A person's net monetary compensation from an action = income x (1 - tax rate).
4 (axiom). People will only perform actions if they receive a strictly positive net monetary compensation to do so.
5 (axiom). There exists some tax rate in the range [0, 100%] that results in a strictly positive tax revenue.

Reasoning Steps

a. A 0% tax will generate no tax revenue.
b. If the tax rate is 100%, a person's net monetary compensation from any action that generates positive income is 0.
c. If the tax rate is 100%, people will not perform any actions that generate income.
d. A tax rate of 100% will generate no tax revenue.
e. Since there is some tax rate that produces tax revenue greater than 0, the tax rate that maximizes tax revenue cannot be 0% or 100%.

Conclusion: There must be some tax rate in the range (0, 100%) that maximizes tax revenue.

And there you have it, the insight that generates the Laffer Curve concept! Now, what the tax revenue maximizing rate is is obviously going to be a matter of intense debate.....but the insight will be historically important no matter what. It has driven politics and policy in this country and the world for 40 years.
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LordoftheMorons
06/19/19 11:38:03 PM
#408:


I'm not disagreeing that the idea behind the Laffer curve is correct (though current rates are certainly lower than optimal for max revenue). I'm saying that no other person has ever described a curve as "highly respected" before Donald Trump.
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xp1337
06/19/19 11:41:18 PM
#409:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I'm saying that no other person has ever described a curve as "highly respected" before Donald Trump.

wow at the shade being thrown here at Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, Clayton Kershaw, and many others!
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ChaosTonyV4
06/20/19 1:31:21 AM
#410:


LordoftheMorons posted...
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That's not damaging. What's damaging is him saying he needs super rich donors and if he's elected, nothing will change, so they don't have to worry.

As I said, if you read the full quote by "nothing will change" he means that if he raises taxes on the rich (which he plans to do) their quality of life will not suffer.


He also said theyre not to blame for income inequality, and the wording of nothing will fundamentally change is pretty fucked, because solving or lessening income inequality requires an actual fundamental change.
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Nrrr
06/20/19 1:35:37 AM
#411:


You know how Biden was like "come on, I am not apologizing, if anything Booker should apologize, he knows better!" when confronted about the white supremacist stuff? Biden thinks his job is to be a chameleon and fit in with every group in front of him, not to stand for anything. He thinks he has to be friends with racists, and he thinks he has to be friends with Wall Street. Biden stands for nothing, he is an empty suit who promises both everything and nothing.
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red sox 777
06/20/19 1:39:21 AM
#412:


Also, he's speaking to billionaires. Many of them would feel that taking away some of their money would absolutely cause a decline in their quality of life! You and I may think that we wouldn't live any differently with 2 billion or 3 billion, but a person with 3 billion is probably going to fight tooth and nail to avoid having a billion dollars taken from him. The only way Biden could avoid causing a decline in their quality of life is not taking away their money - i.e. "no fundamental change."
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Jakyl25
06/20/19 1:53:32 AM
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ChaosTonyV4
06/20/19 1:55:32 AM
#414:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1141356245422678016?s=21

Yikes


Ok but this is legitimately hilarious:

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1141482826770132992?s=20
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red sox 777
06/20/19 2:15:52 AM
#415:


I thought Netanyahu and Trump had already agreed we are going for a one-state solution?
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Jakyl25
06/20/19 2:17:01 AM
#416:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1141356245422678016?s=21

Yikes


Ok but this is legitimately hilarious:

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1141482826770132992?s=20


I dont see Bernie taking a stance on firing Kushner! That can only mean he intends to keep him on!
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LordoftheMorons
06/20/19 2:56:50 PM
#417:


I am pleased to inform you that Mitch McConnell has been caught committing the one truly unforgivable sin

https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1141774584334737409?s=21

I expect that he will be expelled any day now
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/19 3:05:00 PM
#418:


Jesus fuck Biden, his response to Booker is god awful

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1141496692015083528

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red sox 777
06/20/19 3:06:53 PM
#419:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I am pleased to inform you that Mitch McConnell has been caught committing the one truly unforgivable sin

https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1141774584334737409?s=21

I expect that he will be expelled any day now


Leader Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party stand for the right of every American to wear whatever color of clothing they choose.
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red sox 777
06/20/19 3:08:23 PM
#420:


Also, the Supreme Court today, by a 7-2 vote, approved a 40 foot cross on public land (a WWI memorial). Bravo!
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Suprak the Stud
06/20/19 3:14:52 PM
#421:


Ginsburg broke our her dissent collar today apparently.
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LordoftheMorons
06/20/19 3:15:02 PM
#422:


It is bad. I think there are basically two components of Bidens original statement that people are criticizing: a) sometimes you need to work with people with shitty views and b) he never called me boy. I think theres definitely a reasonable case to be made for a), but b) deserves criticism. However, I think its also quite likely that it was a case of Biden being tone deaf rather than purposefully racist.

So then Booker (rightly) calls him out on that, but what Biden hears is youre being racist, which offends him because it wasnt his intent. Thats why he demanded an apology.
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Ashethan
06/20/19 3:15:57 PM
#423:


red sox 777 posted...
Also, the Supreme Court today, by a 7-2 vote, approved a 40 foot cross on public land (a WWI memorial). Bravo!


Time for another Baphomet Statue, I see.
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Jakyl25
06/20/19 3:18:35 PM
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MoogleKupo141
06/20/19 3:25:07 PM
#425:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I am pleased to inform you that Mitch McConnell has been caught committing the one truly unforgivable sin

https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1141774584334737409?s=21

I expect that he will be expelled any day now


honestly looks terrible
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HeroDelTiempo17
06/20/19 3:33:19 PM
#426:


LordoftheMorons posted...
It is bad. I think there are basically two components of Bidens original statement that people are criticizing: a) sometimes you need to work with people with shitty views and b) he never called me boy. I think theres definitely a reasonable case to be made for a), but b) deserves criticism. However, I think its also quite likely that it was a case of Biden being tone deaf rather than purposefully racist.


The problem with a) in this specific context is not only does it devalue the civil rights movement by framing it as a civil disagreement that could be looked past, it also conveniently glosses over all the consessions and support Biden gave to segregationists in that era.

You can be tone deaf AND racist even if it isn't on purpose.
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/19 3:37:54 PM
#427:


https://twitter.com/Behind2020/status/1141722491108417536

lol: Gillibrand, Williamson
good: Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Castro
what: Booker, Klobuchar
boo: Gabbard

really though who's first mind goes to a fucking potato
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LordoftheMorons
06/20/19 3:44:55 PM
#428:


https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1141788488121106434

...that was exactly the problem last time
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Dancedreamer
06/20/19 3:47:37 PM
#429:


French Fries and Vegan Cupcakes are the best answers on that list tbh. Chips and Guac are okay. Whiskey is good too.

Williamson should just back out now. No comfort food and anti-vax?
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ChaosTonyV4
06/20/19 3:47:53 PM
#430:


GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/Behind2020/status/1141722491108417536

lol: Gillibrand, Williamson
good: Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Castro
what: Booker, Klobuchar
boo: Gabbard

really though who's first mind goes to a fucking potato


https://twitter.com/adamslily/status/1141361715290001408?s=20

Kamala shoots up 10 places on my list
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Suprak the Stud
06/20/19 3:50:54 PM
#431:


Best

Harris
Warren
Buttigieg
Gillibrand
Castro
Booker
Klobuchar
Williamson
Gabbard

Worst

Gabbard and Williamson should be immediately disqualified. I don't think Williamson is a human.

And yes baked potato is such a weird answer I kind of love it.
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/19 3:52:44 PM
#432:


see fries makes sense, they're easy to get already processed and done for you

a potato that hasn't been turned to fries? wtf
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Suprak the Stud
06/20/19 3:53:06 PM
#433:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1141788488121106434

...that was exactly the problem last time


Roy Moore saving democracy by being the only guy who can get a democrat elected in Alabama.

Honestly though if he runs in 2020 he probably wins since it is a presidential election year.
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ChaosTonyV4
06/20/19 3:53:36 PM
#434:


Lets be real, Booker had the worst answer by far. I love a good garlic and herb veggie, but thats literally not what comfort food is.

Also if you havent had a good vegan cupcake, youre missing out.
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/19 3:55:24 PM
#435:


yeah I enjoy ribbing on Klobuchar's wtfpotato but Booker is absolutely the worst

especially since he's already vegan, so saying Veggies are his comfort food is a blatant non-answer
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Suprak the Stud
06/20/19 3:55:39 PM
#436:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Lets be real, Booker had the worst answer by far. I love a good garlic and herb veggie, but thats literally not what comfort food is.

Also if you havent had a good vegan cupcake, youre missing out.


Ok now I know you're just a Tulsi homer.

Veggies are an egregiously bad answer without some good qualifications on there (there is absolutely a way to make veggies into comfort food but you can't just say "veggies") but somehow there are still three answers that are worse.
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HeroDelTiempo17
06/20/19 3:57:30 PM
#437:


GuessMyUserName posted...
see fries makes sense, they're easy to get already processed and done for you

a potato that hasn't been turned to fries? wtf


Comfort food doesnt have anything do with ease of procurement or processing. I'm imagining a giant baked potato loaded with bacon and sour cream and cheese and it makes total sense.
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Dancedreamer
06/20/19 3:57:59 PM
#438:


Vegan Cupcakes are awesome, and I don't even like Gabbard!
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Suprak the Stud
06/20/19 3:58:54 PM
#439:


I'm imaging a plain baked potato that she eats like an apple. She even leaves a core, which she then throws at a staffer.
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HeroDelTiempo17
06/20/19 3:59:36 PM
#440:


also people saying veggies cant be comfort food like you never watched Ratatouille, smh
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/19 4:00:22 PM
#441:


yeah but I ain't gonna grab a vegan cupcake when I can just grab a real cupcake

although I should've put my "boo" tier above the "what" tier

Suprak the Stud posted...
I'm imaging a plain baked potato that she eats like an apple. She even leaves a core, which she then throws at a staffer.

this is exactly what I imagine
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GuessMyUserName
06/20/19 4:01:07 PM
#442:


yeah but is it comfort food if it's literally the only food you eat
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Dancedreamer
06/20/19 4:04:25 PM
#443:


GuessMyUserName posted...
yeah but I ain't gonna grab a vegan cupcake when I can just grab a real cupcake


I didn't realize vegan cupcakes were fake cupcakes.
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Jakyl25
06/20/19 4:05:43 PM
#444:


GuessMyUserName posted...
yeah but is it comfort food if it's literally the only food you eat


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Paratroopa1
06/20/19 7:30:53 PM
#445:


What the hell is with all the baked potato haters here? Baked potatoes are fucking awesome

Holy shit kamala harris's fries look amazing though
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red sox 777
06/20/19 10:17:48 PM
#446:


It's a good thing most voters don't care that much about taste in food preferences because then Trump would have no chance.
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06/20/19 11:00:00 PM
#447:


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bored-of-venezuela-as-maduro-clings-to-power-report-2019-6

Incredible. Trump being a piece of shit actually worked out.
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Nrrr
06/20/19 11:04:55 PM
#448:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bored-of-venezuela-as-maduro-clings-to-power-report-2019-6

Incredible. Trump being a piece of shit actually worked out.


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LordoftheMorons
06/21/19 12:18:27 AM
#449:


Jesus Christ, Trump had approved a strike on Iran today and then took back the order before it actually happened:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/world/middleeast/iran-us-drone.html
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Jakyl25
06/21/19 12:29:56 AM
#450:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jesus Christ, Trump had approved a strike on Iran today and then took back the order before it actually happened:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/world/middleeast/iran-us-drone.html


To be fair, thats better than NOT taking back the order
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LordoftheMorons
06/21/19 12:40:30 AM
#451:


I mean, yeah

But a competent president would not have issued an order in which they weren't confident enough to not change their mind in a few hours
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