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HeroDelTiempo17
06/19/19 6:21:28 PM
#352:


Nrrr posted...
There hasn't even been one debate and most people are barely paying attention. These are all fantasy scenarios and worthless to think about. Bernie has a right to make the case that he is the most feared candidate by those who are everything Democratic voters stand against. The only reason Warren voters are offended is because it is a good point.


I'm not offended, it's a great point and I'd love for him to prove it. I just think he'll have a hard time doing so while having to fight the establishment on everything. I'm not even ruling out supporting him in the primary, he just currently isn't my first choice.
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Nrrr
06/19/19 6:44:36 PM
#353:


The whole point is to fight the establishment, and his willingness to do so is why they are most afraid of him.
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kevwaffles
06/19/19 7:21:31 PM
#354:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Dancedreamer posted...
Sanders took the bait.

It essentially ensures that the Bernie or Busters ignore any endorsements he makes of whoever's running. This lets moderates push Biden through the primaries too, because progressives will be too busy fighting each other to notice hey Crazy Uncle Joe's in the lead.


Oh god, not even the first debate and people are already blaming a Biden loss on Bernie.

Ummm, read that again?
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Dancedreamer
06/19/19 7:46:22 PM
#355:


Elizabeth Warren says she's open to Sex Work Decriminalization. Nice to see a mainstream candidate with a chance to be open about this.
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ChaosTonyV4
06/19/19 9:04:25 PM
#356:


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.
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CelesMyUserName
06/19/19 9:07:45 PM
#357:


Dancedreamer posted...
Elizabeth Warren says she's open to Sex Work Decriminalization. Nice to see a mainstream candidate with a chance to be open about this.

I believe Harris has gone beyond that, saying she outright supports it.

Though it is a bit of a response to her past as a prosecutor, but nevertheless.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.

Yeap Biden's finally actually entered the race instead of staying out. That's why he took so long to announce!
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 9:16:33 PM
#358:


God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).
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red sox 777
06/19/19 9:22:58 PM
#359:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 9:28:01 PM
#360:


WTF Biden. Just read what he said to donors today. That is about as bad as "basket of deplorables" and "47% are guaranteed to vote for Obama."
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 9:29:35 PM
#361:


red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.
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LordoftheMorons
06/19/19 9:30:54 PM
#362:


red sox 777 posted...
WTF Biden. Just read what he said to donors today. That is about as bad as "basket of deplorables" and "47% are guaranteed to vote for Obama."

Because, like "basket of deplorables", it's being taken completely out of context?
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LordoftheMorons
06/19/19 9:31:16 PM
#363:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.

Trump lies about literally everything
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 9:31:45 PM
#364:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.

"Sometimes you have to work with bigots to get good things done. Sometimes you have to work around them."

That's literally solid advice for anyone in life, and probably why liberals tend to never accomplish much personally or politically.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 9:34:35 PM
#365:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.


I hadn't thought about that before but I think that's right. Even Romney didn't flip flop as much an average Democrat and no other Republican nominee has come close.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 9:34:48 PM
#366:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.

Trump lies about literally everything

Yeah but he's consistent at least
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red sox 777
06/19/19 9:36:46 PM
#367:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.

"Sometimes you have to work with bigots to get good things done. Sometimes you have to work around them."

That's literally solid advice for anyone in life, and probably why liberals tend to never accomplish much personally or politically.


That's not damaging. What's damaging is him saying he needs super rich donors and if he's elected, nothing will change, so they don't have to worry.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 9:40:23 PM
#368:


red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.

"Sometimes you have to work with bigots to get good things done. Sometimes you have to work around them."

That's literally solid advice for anyone in life, and probably why liberals tend to never accomplish much personally or politically.


That's not damaging. What's damaging is him saying he needs super rich donors and if he's elected, nothing will change, so they don't have to worry.

It's such a shame that the truth is now "damaging"

Why do we expect honest politicians if this is how we treat them?
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Jakyl25
06/19/19 9:41:10 PM
#369:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.


So they were all telling the truth that Trump is unfit for office and cannot win the nomination if we want dignity as a nation? Good to know
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LordoftheMorons
06/19/19 9:43:10 PM
#370:


red sox 777 posted...
That's not damaging. What's damaging is him saying he needs super rich donors and if he's elected, nothing will change, so they don't have to worry.

As I said, if you read the full quote by "nothing will change" he means that if he raises taxes on the rich (which he plans to do) their quality of life will not suffer.
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TheRock1525
06/19/19 9:43:47 PM
#371:


"I'm a huge piece of shit." "Well at least he's honest."
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red sox 777
06/19/19 9:47:45 PM
#372:


LordoftheMorons posted...
red sox 777 posted...
That's not damaging. What's damaging is him saying he needs super rich donors and if he's elected, nothing will change, so they don't have to worry.

As I said, if you read the full quote by "nothing will change" he means that if he raises taxes on the rich (which he plans to do) their quality of life will not suffer.


Because he'll make it up to them in other ways. Maybe the tax rates go up but they get new deductions. Maybe they get to do more business offshore. Maybe they get more corporate welfare. They'll be taken care of even if the proletariats are told taxes are going up on the rich.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 9:49:40 PM
#373:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.


So they were all telling the truth that Trump is unfit for office and cannot win the nomination if we want dignity as a nation? Good to know


That's what they honestly believed at the time. But then the voters said otherwise so they reevaluated their positions. That's very different from lying.
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Ashethan
06/19/19 9:52:16 PM
#374:


red sox 777 posted...
That's what they honestly believed at the time. But then the voters said otherwise so they reevaluated their positions. That's very different from lying.


Right. It's called "Hypocrisy" which is a central Tennant to Conservativism.
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CelesMyUserName
06/19/19 9:58:15 PM
#375:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.


So they were all telling the truth that Trump is unfit for office and cannot win the nomination if we want dignity as a nation? Good to know

remember when Trump said he'd raise taxes on rich guys like himself
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Jakyl25
06/19/19 9:59:57 PM
#376:


Remember when he humped that chair at the second debate?
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Inviso
06/19/19 10:01:16 PM
#377:


Remember when he held up a gay pride flag to show how good he would be for the LGBTQ+ community?
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Jakyl25
06/19/19 10:01:34 PM
#378:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.

"Sometimes you have to work with bigots to get good things done. Sometimes you have to work around them."

That's literally solid advice for anyone in life, and probably why liberals tend to never accomplish much personally or politically.


At least you admit there are so many bigots in America its impossible to avoid having to deal with them
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:02:09 PM
#379:


Ashethan posted...
red sox 777 posted...
That's what they honestly believed at the time. But then the voters said otherwise so they reevaluated their positions. That's very different from lying.


Right. It's called "Hypocrisy" which is a central Tennant to Conservativism.


This is why conservatives have accepted Trump as one of their own even though his lifestyle and history have been so antithetical to most conservative ideals. At hypocrisy, Trump is truly world class. Most conservatives need months to shift between contradicting beliefs without lying. The skilled can switch back and forth in days or hours. The exceptional can hold 2 contradictory beliefs at the same time and fully believe both. Trump can hold 5 or 6 or 7 or who knows how many contradictory beliefs at any time? Truly world class.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:03:30 PM
#380:


CelesMyUserName posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
God I can't wait for this Democratic primary to be over. Watching every candidate try to out-liberal the other is just pitiful, knowing that they will walk back virtually all of these positions in the general election (and in office).


You know who didn't walk back any of his positions in the general? The President.

I mean generally Republicans aren't trying to lie to everyone in the primary. I guess that's why they are better at elections.


So they were all telling the truth that Trump is unfit for office and cannot win the nomination if we want dignity as a nation? Good to know

remember when Trump said he'd raise taxes on rich guys like himself


He did. He got rid of deductions for state and local taxes above 10k. A lot of rich New Yorkers had their taxes go up.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 10:05:27 PM
#381:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449442-biden-doubles-down-on-remarks-about-segregationist-senators-apologize-for

Starting to think we dont have to worry about Biden winning this nomination.

"Sometimes you have to work with bigots to get good things done. Sometimes you have to work around them."

That's literally solid advice for anyone in life, and probably why liberals tend to never accomplish much personally or politically.


At least you admit there are so many bigots in America its impossible to avoid having to deal with them

Of course! Most are not white too
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Nrrr
06/19/19 10:06:50 PM
#382:


Almost all Americans have very contradictory political beliefs though. This is because Americans don't have any ideology and are basically just reacting to things.
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NFUN
06/19/19 10:08:55 PM
#383:


Inviso posted...
Remember when he held up a gay pride flag to show how good he would be for the LGBTQ+ community?

it wasn't even a gay pride flag it was upside down
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ChaosTonyV4
06/19/19 10:10:02 PM
#384:


I know this isn't new, but what an incredibly bad person Seph is.
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Nrrr
06/19/19 10:14:35 PM
#385:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I know this isn't new, but what an incredibly bad person Seph is.


A lot of what conservatives mean when they talk about freedom is to feel free from the burdens of growing as a person, having to consider others, or to share a social responsibility. They feel free the more they just indulge their lizard brain. That's why Trump is the perfect embodiment of conservatism, a rich guy whose never been denied anything and spends his entire life indulging his every whim.
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Jakyl25
06/19/19 10:16:25 PM
#386:


NFUN posted...
Inviso posted...
Remember when he held up a gay pride flag to show how good he would be for the LGBTQ+ community?

it wasn't even a gay pride flag it was upside down


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Jakyl25
06/19/19 10:29:49 PM
#387:


So let me get this straight

Most bigots are non-white
Most non-white people are liberals
Liberals dont accomplish anything in life because they cant work with bigots

Impeccable logic
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Nrrr
06/19/19 10:33:49 PM
#388:


You don't need logic if it feels right. Just give in to your lizard brain, nerd.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:33:50 PM
#389:


Jakyl25 posted...
So let me get this straight

Most bigots are non-white
Most non-white people are liberals
Liberals dont accomplish anything in life because they cant work with bigots

Impeccable logic


I don't think Seph has ever claimed #2 and I submit that is clearly false.
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Nrrr
06/19/19 10:35:35 PM
#390:


red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
So let me get this straight

Most bigots are non-white
Most non-white people are liberals
Liberals dont accomplish anything in life because they cant work with bigots

Impeccable logic


I don't think Seph has ever claimed #2 and I submit that is clearly false.


I mean they clearly are liberal voters. Perhaps if they were not part of a white supremacist society...
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Jakyl25
06/19/19 10:35:57 PM
#391:


red sox 777 posted...

I don't think Seph has ever claimed #2 and I submit that is clearly false.


Im wondering what your angle is on this? I can clarify that I mean in present day America if that helps
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Jakyl25
06/19/19 10:37:50 PM
#392:


At the very least, the logic is that liberals dont accomplish anything because they cant work alongside all those moderate-to-conservative bigoted people of color
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:38:51 PM
#393:


Jakyl25 posted...
red sox 777 posted...

I don't think Seph has ever claimed #2 and I submit that is clearly false.


Im wondering what your angle is on this? I can clarify that I mean in present day America if that helps


Just because someone votes for Democrats, it doesn't mean they're a liberal. Most of the non-white people I know myself who support Democrats I would not classify as liberal. They're too reasonable and non-ideological to be liberal.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:41:45 PM
#394:


A liberal is someone who reads a Paul Krugman blog post and thinks that he is now qualified to argue with someone who has actually studied economics, and contemptuously dismiss their arguments.

This also includes people who went to private universities in the #20-50 range in the US News rankings and believe they learned a lot, when in fact they were able to coast by with A- grades as long as they could put together anything halfway coherent.
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ChaosTonyV4
06/19/19 10:45:51 PM
#395:


red sox 777 posted...
A liberal is someone who reads a Paul Krugman blog post and thinks that he is now qualified to argue with someone who has actually studied economics, and contemptuously dismiss their arguments.


So like...AOC?
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xp1337
06/19/19 10:46:31 PM
#396:


In actual news, the House passed (as part of an appropriations bill) an end to the 2001 AUMF... for the first time ever. (No Republicans voted in favor.)

of course it'll die in the senate but progress!
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:46:34 PM
#397:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
A liberal is someone who reads a Paul Krugman blog post and thinks that he is now qualified to argue with someone who has actually studied economics, and contemptuously dismiss their arguments.


So like...AOC?


I've consistently said AOC is sharp and that I like her as a politician.
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Ashethan
06/19/19 10:49:02 PM
#398:


A conservative is someone who reads nothing and thinks they are qualified to argue with people on every subject ever. If they do read, they probably read Ayn Rand and the Bible.
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red sox 777
06/19/19 10:51:51 PM
#399:


If liberals read deep, multi-layered texts like the Bible more often, they would probably be better able to empathize with others and understand complex arguments, which would help them win elections.
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xp1337
06/19/19 10:56:02 PM
#400:


Ashethan posted...
they probably read Ayn Rand

in depressingly relevant news

When SCOTUS released opinions back on Monday, in an opinion authored by Kavanaugh he wrote, "Some people have said, 'the larger the government, the smaller the individual'" (quoting from memory may have a word or two wrong) he didn't cite it so a journalist tried to find the source of the quote.

They couldn't get an exact match and the only one they got was a Randian twitter account. (They found a similar quote from someone that they assume is the original source) but... yeah...
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Inviso
06/19/19 10:56:20 PM
#401:


red sox 777 posted...
If liberals read deep, multi-layered texts like the Bible more often, they would probably be better able to empathize with others and understand complex arguments, which would help them win elections.


If ANYONE reads the Bible, it's liberals. After all, they're the ones who constantly have to quote scripture when conservatives just parrot bigoted talking points about why gays and abortion are evil. I doubt most conservatives have ever read the Bible...or else they wouldn't support Pharisees like the Republican Party.
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