Current Events > Yulin dog meat festival begins in China

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r25 posted...

>Eats cow and pig
>Gets upset that people eat dog

do you eat stolen cows and pigs and torture them before killing them trying to improve the taste ?
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marc55 posted...

r25 posted...

>Eats cow and pig
>Gets upset that people eat dog

do you eat stolen cows and pigs and torture them before killing them trying to improve the taste ?

Inhumanity is the offense. Not killing the animal for food.

so you came to the thread not knowing what the thread is about k
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Imagine owning a dog in Yulin, and constant stress that it's stolen and eaten, the second you look the other way

r25 posted...

>Eats cow and pig
>Gets upset that people eat dog

> post shit like this
> doesn't read the replies explaining first

If you eat other animals then eating dogs should be fair game. I understand there are shady practices along with it, but it's still comparable to how God awful factory farming is. But I know, I know, it's dogs.
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Kickflip posted...

If you eat other animals then eating dogs should be fair game. I understand there are shady practices along with it, but it's still comparable to how God awful factory farming is. But I know, I know, it's dogs.

did you read the entire topic?

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marc55 posted...

r25 posted...

>Eats cow and pig
>Gets upset that people eat dog

do you eat stolen cows and pigs and torture them before killing them trying to improve the taste ?

Cows and pigs are tortured before being killed
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YokoGeri posted...

did you read the entire topic?

Yes.
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Many people missing the point that they do not see dogs as farm animals, or they would grow them in farms, but in entire China dog is a pet like everywhere else. Except some provinces also see it as food, which is kinda fucked up from moral standpoint

Eating dogs is okay.

The Yulin festival is abhorant animal cruelty.

You guys left out the part where a lot of dogs are stolen from people's homes.
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RebelElite791 posted...

marc55 posted...

r25 posted...

>Eats cow and pig
>Gets upset that people eat dog

do you eat stolen cows and pigs and torture them before killing them trying to improve the taste ?

Cows and pigs are tortured before being killed

They are beaten with metal poles to "tenderize" the meat before being tossed in boiling oil while still alive, then removed from said oil so they can remove the skin and fur from their bodies easier (still alive at this point).

What the Chinese do to dogs during this festival is far beyond what happens in factory farming.
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MuayThai85 posted...

They are beaten with metal poles to "tenderize" the meat before being tossed in boiling oil while still alive, then removed from said oil so they can remove the skin and fur from their bodies easier (still alive at this point).

What the Chinese do to dogs during this festival is far beyond what happens in factory farming.

And animals in factory farms are chained up in cages or packed so tightly together that they don't even have enough room to lay down, have their beaks, tails or other extremities mutilated or removed without any form of anesthesia, all before having their throats slit and left to bleed out or thrown in to grinder while still totally alive and conscious. What exact level of animal torture should be acceptable before you think it's appropriate morally aggrandize over it?
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Again.
And we want to do business with these people?
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EternalDivide posted...

Again.
And we want to do business with these people?

Do you own any Samsung products? Korea has a huge underground dog meat market as well.
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EternalDivide posted...

Again.
And we want to do business with these people?

Buddy, do you know how many countries are allied with Saudi Arabia?

Frolex posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

They are beaten with metal poles to "tenderize" the meat before being tossed in boiling oil while still alive, then removed from said oil so they can remove the skin and fur from their bodies easier (still alive at this point).

What the Chinese do to dogs during this festival is far beyond what happens in factory farming.

And animals in factory farms are chained up in cages or packed so tightly together that they don't even have enough room to lay down, have their beaks, tails or other extremities mutilated or removed without any form of anesthesia, all before having their throats slit and left to bleed out or thrown in to grinder while still totally alive and conscious. What exact level of animal torture should be acceptable before you think it's appropriate morally aggrandize over it?

What's with this dumb whataboutism? You really expect people to say welp I ate a cheeseburger today, so bring on the dog beating, alive-boling behavior?

YokoGeri posted...

What's with this dumb whataboutism? You really expect people to say welp I ate a cheeseburger today, so bring on the dog beating, alive-boling behavior?

Why are you comfortable with cows being tortured to death but not dogs? Why should one receive moral consideration if the other doesn't?
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Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

What's with this dumb whataboutism? You really expect people to say welp I ate a cheeseburger today, so bring on the dog beating, alive-boling behavior?

Why are you comfortable with cows being tortured to death but not dogs? Why should one receive moral consideration if the other doesn't?

you guys are not arguing honestly. Multiple people have tried to explain to you guys the whole thing, only for you guys to ignore it and repeat the same shtick over and over.

YokoGeri posted...

you guys are not arguing honestly. Multiple people have tried to explain to you guys the whole thing, only for you guys to ignore it and repeat the same shtick over and over.

Asking you to justify your position is not dishonest, no matter how frustrated your inability to do so makes you feel.
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Unfortunately this is the way the world works. I am a dog lover but I also eat meat. In other countries pigs and cows are reveled as much as we do with dogs. Attempted to go vegan cold turkey a while back and did great for about a week. That 8th day was hell... I'll probably try again someday but I'll ease into it this time.
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Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

you guys are not arguing honestly. Multiple people have tried to explain to you guys the whole thing, only for you guys to ignore it and repeat the same shtick over and over.

Asking you to justify your position is not dishonest, no matter how frustrated your inability to do so makes you feel.

@Frolex it is dishonest because several posts ITT explain why my side thinks the way it thinks, and you've disregarded each and every one of those posts. I could write a multi paragraph response and you'd ignore it too or cling to one sentence or two

YokoGeri posted...

@Frolex it is dishonest because several posts ITT explain why my side thinks the way it thinks, and you've disregarded each and every one of those posts. I could write a multi paragraph response and you'd ignore it too or cling to one sentence or two

No post in this topic has provided a justification for why dogs are deserving of moral consideration but cows aren't. I'm sure you could write a multi-paragraph response. Whether that response would actually contain an argument or if you would just waste a lot of words playing victim some more, that's a separate question.
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USB-C posted...

No post in this topic has provided a justification for why animals are deserving of moral consideration but plants aren't.

I'm not the one making the argument that animals even are worthy of moral consideration in the first place. Try harder bud.
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Oh god, I did not want to know this. If there's any way I can stop it, @ me.
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USB-C posted...

So you're in favor of cannibalism?

So in your framework where the ability to sense stimuli is the only cut off to arbitrating morality, what is the moral difference between killing a person and killing a plant?
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USB-C posted...

So you ARE arguing in favor of cannibalism. Noted for future reference.

You're the only one in this topic trying to argue the moral equivalence between plants and humans.
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Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

@Frolex it is dishonest because several posts ITT explain why my side thinks the way it thinks, and you've disregarded each and every one of those posts. I could write a multi paragraph response and you'd ignore it too or cling to one sentence or two

No post in this topic has provided a justification for why dogs are deserving of moral consideration but cows aren't. I'm sure you could write a multi-paragraph response. Whether that response would actually contain an argument or if you would just waste a lot of words playing victim some more, that's a separate question.

It should be pretty fucking obvious why. Humans have a special symbiotic relationship with dogs. They've evolved along side us to be companions. They developed a unique way of communication (barking) specifically so they can communicate with humans. They can read our facial expressions and look us in the eyes without it being a sign of aggression like with other wild canines. They guide our blind and protect our children and livestock/property. They share our living spaces and sleep on our beds. It's fucked up to torture and eat an animal that was created to unconditionally love you and and all sub-cultures who do should be rightly looked down upon for such savagery.
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Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

@Frolex it is dishonest because several posts ITT explain why my side thinks the way it thinks, and you've disregarded each and every one of those posts. I could write a multi paragraph response and you'd ignore it too or cling to one sentence or two

No post in this topic has provided a justification for why dogs are deserving of moral consideration but cows aren't. I'm sure you could write a multi-paragraph response. Whether that response would actually contain an argument or if you would just waste a lot of words playing victim some more, that's a separate question.

Fine. If I post a long post explaining my reasoning, do you hereby commit to responding to each bullet point?

Kolibri X posted...

It should be pretty fucking obvious why. Humans have a special symbiotic relationship with dogs. They've evolved along side us to be companions. They developed a unique way of communication (barking) specifically so they can communicate with humans. They can read our facial expressions and look us in the eyes without it being a sign of aggression like with other wild canines. They guide our blind and protect our children and livestock/property. They share our living spaces and sleep on our beds. It's fucked up to torture and eat an animal that was created to unconditionally love you and all sub-cultures who do should be rightly looked down upon for such savagery.

Pigs serve as human companions, process all the same social cues dogs do, and can even be trained as service animals in the same way dogs can. Why are you okay with them being tortured to death?
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Kolibri X posted...

Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

@Frolex it is dishonest because several posts ITT explain why my side thinks the way it thinks, and you've disregarded each and every one of those posts. I could write a multi paragraph response and you'd ignore it too or cling to one sentence or two

No post in this topic has provided a justification for why dogs are deserving of moral consideration but cows aren't. I'm sure you could write a multi-paragraph response. Whether that response would actually contain an argument or if you would just waste a lot of words playing victim some more, that's a separate question.

It should be pretty fucking obvious why. Humans have a special symbiotic relationship with dogs. They've evolved along side us to be companions. They developed a unique way of communication (barking) specifically so they can communicate with humans. They can read our facial expressions and look us in the eyes without it being a sign of aggression like with other wild canines. They guide our blind and protect our children and livestock/property. They share our living spaces and sleep on our beds. It's fucked up to torture and eat an animal that was created to unconditionally love you and all sub-cultures who do should be rightly looked down upon for such savagery.

to add to this, dogs understand what humans do when they point with their finger. The only other animal who understands this is the chimpanzee, who shares like, 98% of DNA with us.

Dogs also "smile" sometimes, copying human behavior. It's amazing since baring teeth is the ultimate sign of aggression usually

Frolex posted...

Kolibri X posted...

It should be pretty fucking obvious why. Humans have a special symbiotic relationship with dogs. They've evolved along side us to be companions. They developed a unique way of communication (barking) specifically so they can communicate with humans. They can read our facial expressions and look us in the eyes without it being a sign of aggression like with other wild canines. They guide our blind and protect our children and livestock/property. They share our living spaces and sleep on our beds. It's fucked up to torture and eat an animal that was created to unconditionally love you and all sub-cultures who do should be rightly looked down upon for such savagery.

Pigs serve as human companions, process all the same social cues dogs do, and can even be trained as service animals in the same way dogs can. Why are you okay with them being tortured to death?

that's a fucking lie

If you want to eat dogs, whatever.
Don't steal other peoples pets.
Don't torture the dogs. Kill them in a humane way.

YokoGeri posted...

Fine. If I post a long post explaining my reasoning, do you hereby commit to responding to each bullet point?

No, I'm not going commit to forming a response to every single word you type regardless of whether or not you're basing your entire argument on a flawed premise or listing out a bunch of claims that have no relevance to the topic. Either make your response or don't. If you don't think I addressed it well enough, then you can walk away feeling satisfied that you won.
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-Unowninator- posted...

Oh god, I did not want to know this. If there's any way I can stop it, @ me.

@-Unowninator- , thanks for caring :)

YokoGeri posted...

brestugo posted...

@YokoGeri

Humane Society International seems to be leading the effort to stop the festival

https://www.hsi.org/issues/dog-meat-trade/

https://people.com/pets/how-to-stop-yulin-dog-meat-festival/

Thanks so much :)

YokoGeri posted...

that's a fucking lie

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256680441_Pigs%27_use_of_human_social_cues_and_attentive_states_in_an_object_choice_task
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/animal-emotions/201506/pigs-are-intelligent-emotional-and-cognitively-complex
https://cloudfront.escholarship.org/dist/prd/content/qt8sx4s79c/qt8sx4s79c.pdf
https://animalstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=mammal
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ITT: everyone understands how socially unacceptable it should be to eat a species of animal that has evolved alongside us, save for one person that made it his personal mission to die on some far off hill by passive aggressively asking the rest of us why we're hypocrites.
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Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

Fine. If I post a long post explaining my reasoning, do you hereby commit to responding to each bullet point?

No, I'm not going commit to forming a response to every single word you type regardless of whether or not you're basing your entire argument on a flawed premise or listing out a bunch of claims that have no relevance to the topic. Either make your response or don't. If you don't think I addressed it well enough, then you can walk away feeling satisfied that you won.

who said every single word, @Frolex ? Just to the general ideas in the post. I won't want to go through the effort to see you go like but pig iz be cute too! but chickin loves me too REKT!!! and walk away

Frolex posted...

YokoGeri posted...

that's a fucking lie

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256680441_Pigs%27_use_of_human_social_cues_and_attentive_states_in_an_object_choice_task
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/animal-emotions/201506/pigs-are-intelligent-emotional-and-cognitively-complex
https://cloudfront.escholarship.org/dist/prd/content/qt8sx4s79c/qt8sx4s79c.pdf
https://animalstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=mammal

show me studies where pigs understand what pointing with the finger means. I will wait.

"hey pig, sit! play dead!" *pig does it*. LMAO

USB-C posted...

Every argument in favor of eating a dog can be applied to humans. Literally every one.

I mean we already know you think that humans and plants are morally equivalent, so it's already implicit you think humans and dogs are too
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YokoGeri posted...

show me studies where pigs understand what pointing with the finger means. I will wait.

"hey pig, sit! play dead!" *pig does it*. LMAO

I can tell you didn't actually click any of those links because even just ctrl fing "point" would give you your answer

YokoGeri posted...

who said every single word, @Frolex ? Just to the general ideas in the post. I won't want to go through the effort to see you go like but pig iz be cute too! but chickin loves me too REKT!!! and walk away

Sure, i'll respond to the general Idea of your post
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