Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 23: Foreshadowing Pays Off

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Lopen posted...

What specifically do you want to know? I can't post it directly.

Character name
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I am "a triceratops" from the book Jurassic Park
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Lopen posted...

I am "a triceratops" from the book Jurassic Park

Ahh, quite an aggressive dinosaur, are ya.

Would you mind a paraphrase of your quote. Surely you have one.
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Flavor mentions what I look like (a truly majestic creature), John Hammond, Isla Nublar, and cloning. That's probably vague enough to not be modkillable.
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My quote is just specifically the part describing what I look like. I hadn't really absorbed the split of role and the first part at the start being "the quote" till now. I guess cause like, mine isn't a quote and just more descriptive text ya know?
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I hear that.

I thought my quote was explaining why as Jim I had a power only to find out I had no power. And I was sad.
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The possibility of Cam/Sheep being town/town is not the ONLY REASON I lynched Cam.

Stop acting like it is.

I mean if you wanna talk godfather

A triceratops while pretty docile is also a very aggressive dinosaur. In fact after release triceratops do a lot of fighting with each other.

So I could see a Triceratops actually being scum inno scanning.

I'm not saying I'm sold on that. But it's a possibility
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I said it was a consideration I had, and you went off about how it wasn't possible.

I said yes it is you said no it isn't.

I said yes it is you said no it isn't.

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Now that I made it exactly clear why it was possible, you are suddenly even MORE sure that I'm scum.

Why don't you tell us what the other reasons were then? Because you had a town read on Cam the whole game. Hell you had a town read on me the whole game too (until these phantom SBell/Lopen scumteam conspiracy theories) and I was telling you to lynch the other guy.
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My flavor text mentions nothing of my aggression I disbelieve you.
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Lopen posted...

Why don't you tell us what the other reasons were then?

I have more than once but you're not really parsing what I say today.

I explained already how I was accepting my initial read had a good chance to be wrong.

turbopuns3 posted...

I said it was a consideration I had, and you went off about how it wasn't possible.

I said two of the same godfather was not a consideration you should have had.

So saying stuff like "Sbell and Ulti if you're scum blah blah" comes off as really disingenuous.

Saying me and SBell were who you were actually considering as the scumteam sounds like damage control because that's the only setup you can present where Cam + Sheep are both that doesn't have a double stack godfather. Me and Sbell being the scumteam would be the dumbest thing ever on gameplay-- I refuse to believe that's an intuitive thought you had.
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turbopuns3 posted...

I have more than once but you're not really parsing what I say today.

Quote the post then if you can't be bothered to say it again.
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Lopen posted...

you had a town read on me the whole game too (until these phantom SBell/Lopen scumteam conspiracy theories)

Again you're attacking me for playing the game fluidly. I had already said prior that you were on my flow chart if SBell/Lea/Sheep didn't end the game. When I began to doubt my Cam read that also affected my view of other players of course.

Lopen posted...

Quote the post then if you can't be bothered to say it again.

I literally said it in the post and you just cut it out of the quote for fucks sake dude

Lopen posted...

My flavor text mentions nothing of my aggression I disbelieve you.

Jurassic Park mentions it a few times.

In fact they paint red lines on the jeeps to dissuade triceratops from ramming them.
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I'm attacking you for your so called game fluidity acting like the flow of a built up abscess you popped right before making that vote

You didn't suggest any of this before the post or even in the post. You mentioned Cam being a "distraction" and Sheep being the more likely scum, which is consistent with how you were playing before hand.
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turbopuns3 posted...

So either cam or sheep could be scum.

There's at minumun 1 town, but possibly 2 town, on that lynch who thought it was cam.

This has been a game where I've had minimal time to really be invested. On top of that, we had so many slam dunk snoozefest scum lynches that it just compounded the issue of not really being into the game. So my confidence in my reads isn't exactly through the roof or anything. Pretty information deprived relatively speaking.

It's easily possible from known info that scum could be SBell/Lopen. (If you think otherwise I don't care.)

So I am being irresponsible if I do not consider the case where I was wrong about Cam. Wholly irresponsible if I don't consider it. And if Harry did flip town I know for damn sure Voldemort is gonna get lynched. Hopefully he's scum at that point - but - if I'm hoping for that outcome then I just lynch him first!

I am not so arrogant or one-track minded as to think that I cannot be wrong. I've been wrong plenty.

Lopen posted...

You didn't suggest any of this before the post or even in the post.

I did mention during the time before the vote that I was losing faith in my cam read.

We have vastly different definitions of "easily possible"

It's like saying it's "easily possible" to win the $100k on powerball because it's more likely than the jackpot.

You're suggesting a pretty significant edge case in terms of roles, one specific setup you can cite from b8 that had something compatible ever (this one being even more unfriendly with the flavor millers) and then on top of that attributing those roles to players in the game who have a marked negative affinity for each other (remember how hard I was trying to get SBell lynched two days ago?) and then arguing it was a "heavy consideration?"

Give me a break.
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Lopen posted...

I disbelieve you.

Just such a weird way to phrase it. I'm not scum trying to set a Lopen lynch in motion. I'm town trying to make heads and tails of what we know.

Why would I lie?
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Obellisk posted...

Why would I lie?

Because I am a peaceful creature that would never hurt anyone

(That post you're quoting was in jest)
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Its like.... I want to lynch Lopen but seeing please lynch me its the right play 100 times is actually messing with me. Who does that at endgame mylo?

It's because it either isn't MYLO, or he is scum going for the ballsy Wifom plays (for some reason or another)
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I mean not lynching me is good too. The odds of winning are slightly higher if you don't.

But like, I think me flipping town makes this game really hard to lose too because I think giving my argument against Puns some credibility should seal it and I feel really good about that read.

If I was Braun Strowman I'd totally use my ability on puns right now.

And yeah it's not MYLO if I'm town. I am town, ergo, I see no real risk to lynching me here. Well unless we have a survivor and they just hammer whoever, I guess. If I was a survivor I'd totally rather town win though.
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Lopen posted...

We have vastly different definitions of "easily possible"

It's like saying it's "easily possible" to win the $100k on powerball because it's more likely than the jackpot.

You're suggesting a pretty significant edge case in terms of roles, one specific setup you can cite from b8 that had something compatible ever (this one being even more unfriendly with the flavor millers) and then on top of that attributing those roles to players in the game who have a marked negative affinity for each other (remember how hard I was trying to get SBell lynched two days ago?) and then arguing it was a "heavy consideration?"

Give me a break.

So somehow you managed to, in response to me explaining how I doubted whether cam was town, actually refute the point of "cam and sheep are both town" instead of refuting whether I actually doubted Cam was scum.

You're impossible.

*doubted Cam was town

Getting a headache from the stubbornness

It's impossible for us to win by listening to Lopen. He's either scum or the most impossibly determined to throw the game town who has ever lived.

You doubting Cam was town is not a valid counter-argument because you said in your vote post that Sheep was more likely to be scum. Your whole argument for lynching Cam has been that you were damage controlling a town-town mislynch-- now you're saying you did it because you doubted he was town?
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If it's accurate that only 1 mafia remains it's actually just silly to suggest that it's me before SBell or Sheep.

SBell basically said nothing meaningful yesterday aside from just "cam = scum". He locked in his vote early and did nothing.

To think I grandstanded as scum and pulled a fake out on sheep to see his reactions before lynching Cam is going through a hugely unnecessary mental hurdle when it makes a lot more actual sense for 1 scum to be literally anyone else.

Lopen posted...

whole argument

It was not my whole argument

It was just the part you have decided to laser focus at the cost of completely ignoring other more obvious scummy players

turbopuns3 posted...

If it's accurate that only 1 mafia remains it's actually just silly to suggest that it's me before SBell or Sheep.

SBell basically said nothing meaningful yesterday aside from just "cam = scum". He locked in his vote early and did nothing.

To think I grandstanded as scum and pulled a fake out on sheep to see his reactions before lynching Cam is going through a hugely unnecessary mental hurdle when it makes a lot more actual sense for 1 scum to be literally anyone else.

I mean yeah, I did nothing but I'm still more town than you. Sorry chap.

If it's not mylo then I'm dead come morning. No way scum leaves confirmed town in the final 3 unless I've made myself look sooooo inept they think it's security for a win.
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turbopuns3 posted...

It was just the part you have decided to laser focus at the cost of completely ignoring other more obvious scummy players

I don't believe you actually elaborated further? Am I wrong? Keep in mind anything relating to Cam being scum is invalid because you said Sheep was more likely scum
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Lopen posted...

Keep in mind anything relating to Cam being scum is invalid because you said Sheep was more likely scum

I said my gut felt that way. I went with my brain instead.

Yesterday a common sentiment was that a Cam/Sheep team was possible, for goodness sake

You didn't actually elaborate on why your brain thought Cam was more likely to be scum, though? Your brain only said he was likely to be a distraction if allowed to remain in the game.
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I didn't think Cam was more likely scum. I'm saying I logically recognized it as a solid possibility and when considering other factors as well, such as:

-if sheep was lynched, Cam was likely to be the next lynch regardless of sheep's flip. Weird to say in a vacuum, but isn't it true? Harry Potter, Town Villager? Voldemort is lynched. Harry Potter, Mafia (Godfather/Vanilla)? Cam is still likely lynched. Before anyone else out of Ulti/SBell/Lopen/Puns.

Thus, in an outside chance where both were town - either because only 1 mafia left or scanning shenanigans - lynching Cam first made more sense.

It was combination of just me growing to doubt my initial reads, realizing Cam's lynch was probably inevitable anyway, and considering that if we were tragically wrong about both, lynching Cam first was less damaging.

It would have been such an absurd stunt for me as lone scum to pull. Like honestly, I know what I'll do as lone scum, I'll randomly paint a huge ass target on my back instead of just kill the guy I'd thought was scum for a while and leave alive the guy who town cleared me a hundred times. Yes this is a good looking, totally reasonable decision which in no way hurts my outlook. Great job, scum me.

turbopuns3 posted...

-if sheep was lynched, Cam was likely to be the next lynch regardless of sheep's flip. Weird to say in a vacuum, but isn't it true? Harry Potter, Town Villager? Voldemort is lynched. Harry Potter, Mafia (Godfather/Vanilla)? Cam is still likely lynched. Before anyone else out of Ulti/SBell/Lopen/Puns.

How is this also not true in the opposite direction, but more so? How does town voldemort not implicate Harry godfather? I mean you asked the questions yourself yesterday. Everyone said "lynch the other regardless of flip." Going purely on that Cam had because I said I would consider lynches that aren't Cam if Sheep flipped town which is more than anyone said for Sheep.
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turbopuns3 posted...

It would have been such an absurd stunt for me as lone scum to pull. Like honestly, I know what I'll do as lone scum, I'll randomly paint a huge ass target on my back instead of just kill the guy I'd thought was scum for a while and leave alive the guy who town cleared me a hundred times. Yes this is a good looking, totally reasonable decision which in no way hurts my outlook. Great job, scum me.

It was actually a very small target I'm just a good marksman. No one else would be aiming at it.
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Lopen posted...

How is this also not true in the opposite direction, but more so? How does town voldemort not implicate Harry godfather?

I mean Lily Potter is also town?

Lopen posted...

mean you asked the questions yourself yesterday. Everyone said "lynch the other regardless of flip."

I just looked back and guess what.

Actually, nobody addressed the question at all. So how about that?

Eventually I repeated the question directly at sheep to which he did answer and say he would figure there's a solo godfather between SBell/Lopen if Cam was town.

Unless someone answered the question without actually quoting it and I just missed it on a double skim, you're just making up a "consensus" answer when in fact there literally was no answer given by anyone.

Actually Lopen you did mention that, your post was so large and right after I'd asked the question I naturally glazed over it when I was skimming for answers.

So OK, you answered it. That is not a consensus still, lol.

Lopen posted...

In fact if [Cam is] town then the flavor split of Voldemort "flavor miller" and Harry Potter godfather makes sense and adds to the case on [sheep].

"unless Cam is flipped TODAY, in which case what I just said is negated and Puns is scum."

Lopen logic. :D

Ulti, why would me and Lopen be scum teammates? He's spent the last two days right on my back, and the vote of another person which most definitely wasn't certain would have lynched me both days. I don't think you're taking the long term into account there. Although I do agree that he should probably be lynched today.

On the plus side if Puns shows up while you're still voting Lopen it guarantees myself and him can't be on the same scum team! SBell too, assuming he actually isn't and they don't just kill Lopen.
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Sheep007 posted...

Ulti, why would me and Lopen be scum teammates? He's spent the last two days right on my back, and the vote of another person which most definitely wasn't certain would have lynched me both days. I don't think you're taking the long term into account there. Although I do agree that he should probably be lynched today.

Sacrifices will be made.
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