Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 23: Foreshadowing Pays Off

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Yes hello I am here and not attempting to hammer, cool

Ya know he was my strongest scum read early on and I let it drop off.

I was not happy with a lot of his early play. But he really stepped it up as we progressed. We also killed two scum early so he would have been forced to be better because of it.

Ulti. I'll join you on this. I've been wrong all game about my vote choices but what if I was wrong to back off of Lopen.
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Wow that sure was a lot of research to justify voting me when I told you it was smart to vote me

Boy will your face be red when I flip town though. Much more satisfying than you lynching me cause I told you to
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Unless one actually is Survivor and the game just ends when Lopen flips.

If SBell is survivor and Lopen is the last mafia, I am going to feel like the most vinidcated son of a bitch to ever live.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If you're suggesting voting now and potentially ending the day early, I'm unvoting.

No, I would have voted.

I won't be placing a vote till end of day.
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turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Unless one actually is Survivor and the game just ends when Lopen flips.

If SBell is survivor and Lopen is the last mafia, I am going to feel like the most vinidcated son of a bitch to ever live.

Alas, I am a lonely Vanillager.
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Btw researching soul mafia is poor cause I was playing third party attempting to lynch mafia, or vice versa.
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FFVII mafia has the same problem by the way cause I was SK trying to lynch scum.

3rd party vs mafia is generally legitimate scumhunting I would say. Trying to use it as a scumtell is poor.
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By the way does the game really end immediately if survivor + scum outnumber town? If so I may have made a potential tactical error here lol.
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Oh wait Ulti was saying when I flip scum got it. Okay, yeah, don't care if I'm getting lynched then.
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Votals (as of 267)
(1) Turbopuns: Lopen
(0) Lopen: (Ulti)

Day ends Friday at 9 p.m. EDT, or when majority is reached
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I mean whether the ending is instant or not can vary by host

But if it's 1 v 1 v 1 town's chances are not great, no

I like town to win if Survivor exists and can lynch scum in final 3

If the game just ends I'm gonna be upset though.
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I mean the survivor just votes someone and if the other person doesn't hammer they switch their vote

So @Sheep007 what do you think

Everyone else in the game thinks Lopen is a good lynch. Including Lopen.

You getting in on this?

Does anyone remember how many were left when ff6 mafia ended? I was survivor that game and won.
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... With town.
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I didn't find that game in any of the existing archives. Don't think I was around when it happened either

Well if Survivor wins with scum when numbers exceed town I take back the idea of lynching me being a good idea cause Survivor existing in the setup seems likely. At that point you should just make a judgment call of whether puns or me is more likely scum
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Lopen posted...

make a judgment call of whether puns or me is more likely scum

Can we revisit why you are convinced sheep is town?

Cuz like

Read the room. I'm not being lynched. If you're town, sheep literally has to be lynched and if you don't realize it there's very little hope

I'll risk a Survivor in the game. Definitely feeling you're the guy. Don't think we win if we lynch Sheep cause he ain't the guy and no way you get lynched in the final 3 without me flipping town. You've played a very good game yesterday and today excepted and that gives you a lot of currency with people like Ulti who aren't very as you call it fluid
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Well I guess this game is basically over then.

If you're town I look forward to hearing you try to justify your scum read of me after the fact.

I mean it's the same read I explained in game. The fact that you took this long to actually reach a step of being reasonable (presumably because you are reading the room and no longer feel at risk) rather than mad makes me feel really good about it.
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I will say I think we still have a chance

Come Sheep and SBell. Ulti is lost but we don't need him! Crush this scum. (SBell has no real incentive to do this he's clearly the Survivor)
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Again.

Your failure as a player to recognize people are different emotionally, and have different perspectives, and different ways of thinking.

Again. "rigid"

Unchanging, close minded, stubborn.

69 reasons you've called HB/Sheep scum this game and you're handwaving it because you didn't agree with my vote, basically.

I've been calm for a long time. But the only activity has been your unending awful attacks on me.

Yesterday you said you could see Cam as Sheep's scumbuddy

You also said Cam flipping town would implicate sheep more

Now you're saying I only lynched Cam as a means to trick you into voting sheep

You're smarter than that. And presumably can read.

Cause there's no way you actually think I'm voting you because you voted wrong. Misrepresenting my case is scum tactic for sure.

Honestly just reread this

turbopuns3 posted...

I'm just saying it was a heavy consideration of mine yesterday because both SBell and Lopen were on my flow chart and the possibility was still out there. So it was part of my thought process.

Why is this not autolynch. "Heavy consideration" based on a setup seen once with two specific players have been at each other's throats on and off the whole game. How is a town player heavily considering that scumteam.
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Lopen posted...

I'll risk a Survivor in the game.

Lopen posted...

(SBell has no real incentive to do this he's clearly the Survivor)

<___>

I'm less confident on my read of SBell of Survivor than I am of you being scum
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turbopuns3 posted...

both SBell and Lopen were on my flow chart

It's pretty ironic how you called town scared to lynch power claims and now you're calling me scum for thinking not based strictly on role meta

That's not really ironic. They're fundamentally different concepts.
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Why am I even engaging you at this point if I'm scum? You're wearing the noose already

Specifically a power claim should be evaluated on whether it's likely their specific claim and results they claim they have follows from their play to this point, and potential gains as scum to fakeclaim it. It's also in a vacuum unless mass claim has occurred so you can take it in isolation to an extent.

Role meta is different and is basically just absolute probability. Are you likely to see this role setup based on other roles in the game and how often such a setup appears. If you're heavily considering a role setup that has been seen once in all your games with a pair of players that don't make sense to be scummates you've crossed beyond thinking about the game into thinking about a justification for "thinking" about the game.
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Like if say, 2 players claimed doctor, you'd naturally assume one was lying. This is something you'd do regardless of their play to this point. It has nothing to do with whether it's likely each individual player could be doctor, just a two doctor setup being inherently weird.

Judging a single doctor claim is different. You start to wonder about convenience and such.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

If someone is Survivor and actually claims it, I will not auto lynch them. Survivor winning with town is way more fun.

I echo this btw.

The Survivor will not get my vote
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Lopen posted...

That's not really ironic. They're fundamentally different concepts.

Looking beyond the unknown role info and playing based on player behavior.

Your insistence that me being open minded about a possible role combo, when it has existed before, to the point of saying I'm scum for being open to it, when both involved players were on my PoE, is just outlandishly bad play if you are town.

If you are town you are throwing the game (literally asking to be lynched at possible LyLo) because your own ego is so great, that you cannot imagine the existence of a town player who considers things differently from yourself.

If you are town you are ignoring Sheep's rather apparent lack of presence today because you think if a person uses reasoning different from yours, it makes them scum no matter what.

Being open minded about a role combo existing is one thing

Fearing it to the point where it scares you into a move you wouldn't normally make when the likelihood of the combo existing is incredibly low and the players needed to match the combo aren't playing how you'd expect.

Like as an example from this very game I humored the possibility that there was some sort of alignment flipping role in this game because Scum Book Reader made no sense and I thought Pez was kinda towny but I wasn't pushing for the lynch of Benjamin after that first day. Because seriously thinking that was more likely than me misreading Ben and Pez is just bad play
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... You know

If there is only one scum left, revisiting Tom's possible ability use when he died may have some merit...
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##Unvote

Nothing about your play convinces me I'm wrong but Tom's suspect pool may
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