Board 8 > Godzilla Mafia signups (Proper topic)

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Certainly beats my meager record
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I was alive at endgame because SBell was easy to manipulate into voting me and you laid down a character throughout the game that could idiotically vote me and not be judged for it. It was a good character and I won't take away from your play but yeah.

I mean you say I got one read right but there was literally one read to get right the whole game because of scans and Chris. Fact is if I control all the votes we win that game, so the shade about voting wrong is unfounded. I was less wrong than most of the players and easily cause I wasn't on most of the town lynches (and would never have voted most of them-- would have voted others but it would have solved the game easier. Def vote you before Lea or MZero for example)
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I'm choosing to put that on the strength of your play and the weakness of SBell's play more than a weakness of mine

Pretty sure no one could have turned that there. SBell would have voted me even if I hadn't done that dumb push on Ben.

Saying I only did it as a countervote is dumbing it down though. I telegraphed I was going to vote you well before you did. Puns not just putting it to 3 is overthinking it so I mean when I was sure it was "one of you two" that was basically just code for you.

Which may have been the wrong play but the read was there before puns didn't hammer is all I'm saying.
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Lopen's read on red was kinda fools gold because it would never have resulted in a lynch if not for the 5tar scan reveal.
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Watcher claim is unsustainable and he was on borrowed time even if we don't get him then. red knew he was dead to rights. All the claim did was get redirector off the table sooner really, and maybe save Ben the trouble of scanning him.
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Lopen posted...

Watcher claim is unsustainable and he was on borrowed time even if we don't get him then. red knew he was dead to rights. All the claim did was get redirector off the table sooner really, and maybe save Ben the trouble of scanning him.

I mean, he would never have been lynched that day. It was a suicide claim. Yes.
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Hi.

Lopen's real bad play was every day from day 3 until final 5. Final day was mostly academic.
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My read on red (assist to Chris) was what made him claim that though, so I mean, we basically "got 'em"
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I mean everyone from day 3 to endgame looked like "bad play" is all I'm saying.

Did anyone who didn't have a scan suspect Death, Pez, or Ulti at any point? Cause I don't remember any. Tom would be your best bet but he got off of suspecting Pez before that.
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Lopen posted...

I mean everyone from day 3 to endgame looked like "bad play" is all I'm saying.

Did anyone who didn't have a scan suspect Death, Pez, or Ulti at any point? Cause I don't remember any. Tom would be your best bet but he got off of suspecting Pez before that.

I suspected Pez pretty much all game.
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Corrik7 posted...

I suspected Pez pretty much all game.

The fact that I didn't remember you ever mentioning him speaks volumes about the incoherence of your play that game tbh. You played more like a random voting algorithm than anything
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Lopen posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I suspected Pez pretty much all game.

The fact that I didn't remember you ever mentioning him speaks volumes about the incoherence of your play that game tbh. You played more like a random voting algorithm than anything

I don't think I voted very much, but I played extremely bad pretty much the entire game. I spent much of day 1 and 2 using Chris to misdirect on my role and never accomplished much of anything.
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Anyway yeah I'm not trying to say I played well overall

Just that compared to most of town I was one of the MVPs cause town played real bad.

It was just a real low hurdle to clear cause yeah the game was a mess. Like I definitely think if I win every lynch the game is solved easier, even if it means we lynch the cop. Getting SBell off the table would have been a huge boon to town cause you have a red herring off the board and presumably someone who is actually trying is there in his place
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Uh, no?

You were shit Lopen
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Lopen posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I suspected Pez pretty much all game.

The fact that I didn't remember you ever mentioning him speaks volumes about the incoherence of your play that game tbh. You play like a random voting algorith more than anything

FTFY lol

just kidding Corrik, calm down
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Getting one read right (in a game where literally one read could be had that wasn't a scan or Chris nuke) and having the final vote on Ulti is better than most people in the game can claim.
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Also, fuck it. Put me in.
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Like it is the kind of game where it's hard to really say anyone played well. You say I played like shit but you can't credibly say anyone in town except Chris played better, and he was mercifully removed before he could embarrass himself.

You could argue Ben "played well" cause he had cop scans and got the scum. I'd say he misplayed the role by sitting on scans and not trying to lynch any of his scans while doing so, but he got lucky, but your results may vary.

All our protection claiming with no pressure basically just to confirm themselves was ???

About 1/3 of town was straight inactive too
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Ooh Blade is playing. Should be fun and I might keep up with the game from the start. Will not be a replace or play this time because last game I was woefully unprepared
to join and just didn't feel up to scratch, would most likely be the same here.
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you come in every game and critisze everyone

you played poorly

accept it
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I've done that three times over 4 or 5 years
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Lopen, you played like shit.
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Who played well? That's all I'm asking.
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I think most people played fairly poorly, it is just you did not rise above the muck like you think you did.

Reading the game I pinged you as a person with a lot of bad assumptions. I mean "let's lynch the cop first" is all time bad.
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Meh. I don't think lynching the cop when the implication is that 4/6 scum are caught (and one remaining is almost certainly godfather) when he flips cop is really a big deal. Cop scans have limited utility from that point.

I think if b8 thought with that kinda hat on rather than just never lynching power it'd play better overall.
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Lopen posted...

Meh. I don't think lynching the cop when the implication is that 4/6 scum are caught (and one is almost certainly godfather) when he flips cop is really a big deal. Cop scans have limited utility from that point.

I think if b8 thought with that kinda hat on rather than just never lynching power it'd play better overall.

You could easily surmise he was legit based in setup meta. That said, you also are saying the cop should be killed when he had protection out, couldn't be blocked, and you assumed another scum could have been scanned correctly. It was one of the worst things I have ever seen in mafia. Lol
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Corrik7 posted...

You could easily surmise he was legit based in setup meta.

Even scum thought he was fakeclaiming so not sure of this.
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Lopen posted...

Corrik7 posted...

You could easily surmise he was legit based in setup meta.

Even scum thought he was fakeclaiming so not sure of this.

You should be sure of this.

At one point you literally said 3 uncountered power roles which worked setup wise were all scum because the town power had to be other people actually, despite the fact they claimed vanilla, and not the people who claimed it.

It was really, really bad, Lopen. Lol. Like I played bad, but you played egregiously bad that game. You got too cute or too tinfoil. And, it was why you were obviously gonna be the mislynch the final day.

I mean, I surmised you were town because it was so atrociously bad it had to be town. But, others weren't gonna give you this character read as I did.
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All power roles misplayed their roles so I assumed some of the vanillas were lying town forced to claim day 1 (I mean, Ben was a lying vanilla to begin with so it's not that weird)

Like I have no idea why protection claims when it did in a way that had no value to town other than "confirming" the protection as town, no idea why Ben claims day 4 instead of day 3 and makes no push on any of his so called guilty scans at any point.

I will say that game exploited a critical flaw of mine to myself in that I have a real hard time distinguishing bad town play from scum play, but I mean I don't think blindly accepting claims that don't make much sense just because they're power roles is that much better. It just means you're less likely to look stupid. Doesn't inherently help town.
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Like specifically I'm mostly talking your reaction, Corrik, to the power claims. It's like "whoa don't lynch the cop period" and you left it there and it was end of discussion. It felt scummy, like you were trying to gain town points by stating the obvious, which is a big reason I suspected you. The other guy who did that was Ulti so not necessarily a bad read inherently-- should have pursued it but oh well.

I just don't see the harm in questioning power claims, even if you don't have the audacity to outright lynch them. If you just get off of them with no questions asked it limits the information you can get.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Did people actually want me to play?

Yes

Are you sure?
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Lopen keeps saying the cop should have claimed earlier when an earlier cop claim gets town rolled harder because without those scans town(and lopen is especially included here) was way off the mark.

I mean, Ben's play was silly because if he dies with those scans it is a huge loss. That said, he didn't die so it doesn't matter.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Lopen keeps saying the cop should have claimed earlier when an earlier cop claim gets town rolled harder

How does this make sense

Claim day 3, we don't mislynch MZero, we still get Death and Pez

How would town possibly get rolled harder. At worst it's neutral
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Lopen you are making a logical fallacy argument of "well the way board 8 does this is worse, so my play wasn't so bad" however context matters a lot.

On another note...

Even if what Red is saying is true, bad play does not excuse bad play. Ben claims day 3, and four scum are dead in four days. That just... matters.

But honestly town just did not know how to town clear and it let Ulti win. Ulti didn't have an A+ game, probably like a B- game imo but town day 3 on was like a clear F.
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Realistically though

Pushing Death or Pez hard instead of MZero and not revealing was the smart play. Maybe reveal late day if they're not panning out. Then you can read reactions to pressure on scum and get actual useful data day 3 rather than town town town lynch we had
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Anyway as said I'm not saying I played well just that I did good stuff day 1-2 which is more than most people in the game did

I mean for all the talk about the pressure on Ben being a bad look, I didn't get lynched for it. I hardly even got votes for it. That's either a sign that town was a complete lost cause that such an obvious scum move was less scummy than like 5 other lynches, or it actually wasn't a big deal as you'd claim. If I was successful the game is probably more winnable too as the lynches are probably Ben -> Death -> Pez -> Me which is probably a better alive set to possibly get Ulti lynched, I think.

But yeah like if I don't do that, I'm honestly not sure it changes anything. Even down to not being killed, cause SBell being an obvious fall guy with 'suspicion' of me is just too juicy an interaction to pass up.
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This topic seems to have suddenly gotten busier

Was it anyone new signing y/n
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Honestly like if you want me to think who was arguably most damaging to town it'd be Ben though. Like allowing day 3 to happen as it did was dumb, and even if you reveal day 4, the way he did it practically invited all discussion on the day to be funneled into him with his dramatics. He plays it by pushing Death or Pez, then reveals late, we maybe get some good reads on people as town or scum, and still get lynches.

On that note 5tarscream holding off on revealing scan on red until later would have potentially been helpful too.

Anyway. Like I'm not saying I made no mistakes-- in fact that misread of Ben may have cost me the ability to identify Ulti as scum because it made me doubt suspicions I had of Ulti due to overcorrecting for the "bad play != scum" insight I had on myself, but I do think if you're complaining about mistakes there are a lot of other more glaring ones to complain about.
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Okay so since you are arguing with me time to crack my knuckles and discuss mafia.

In any thread of mafia there is a limited amount of bandwidth the players of town are going to have to discuss things, whereas scum tend to be thinking less critically in the thread itself because they are not solving merely putting on a show. Scum always has to, naturally, work less hard than town in thread because they have the answer sheet even if some people are bad enough as scum that this isn't true for them personally.

So me personally, Lopen, I would literally never lynch you when you went after Ben. Because to me there are very few scum worlds where a scum Lopen who has had two buddies scanned would be willing to do this. It just makes absolutely no sense for you to ever do that. I thought you were town before that in topic, and if I had been alive I would have chided you but known it was clearly town crazy theory.

However there are worse sins in this world than merely your own demise. What you did, and really propelled a lot in many days, is a sort of brain drain on the town where people had to argue against your invalid points repeatedly to the point that all you were left with was people suspecting you because you exceeded their bandwidth of ability with your own bad play. That is partially on them, yes, but also on you. It was a dance of bad play that took two to tango and to be certain everyone danced along to it.

I don't point this out to be mean spirited or to poke, but because you are doomed to repeat your mistakes if you don't confront them.

Your argument is the very reason I preach "don't be results based." Like in Poker you can go all in with 3-8 off suit and be against aces and win sometimes, but that doesn't mean it was the winning strategy overall - it just worked. In this case it did not work but because the people around you played poorly to an extreme extent you are seeking some kind of comfort in the fact that their inability was on par with yours. You literally said "compared to some of these people I was town MVP" when in my score card day 3 and on you were probably the LVP because you had such a voice in the town and you did nothing but harm to the win condition. There is a reason you were never night killed. Sbell it can be said is a morose player with middling skill on the best of days but he didn't have enough influence to ruin town as much as you did.

A lot of players did really bad. If you want to call it a big bad tie I wouldn't bother to argue and move on, but acting as if there was any redeeming qualities in your play from day 3 on even if I could town read you based off of it is just the height of delusion.

I've had really bad games too, if it makes you feel any better. I had a game probably worse than this where I got super pocketed on MU in a discord mafia by a scum neighbor.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

but acting as if there was any redeeming qualities in your play from day 3 on even if I could town read you based off of it is just the height of delusion.

Never said this for the record

Said day 3 on was everyone being garbage and day 1-2 I was the only ones who did anything useful so I beat most of the town by default. Again it's not a gloat.

But like, I think you're overestimating how well any given player would be able to do with that town. One voice isn't worth a lot if there's no coordination or willingness to compromise. I didn't even win any lynches. Is that because I damaged my credibility with Ben, well, maybe, but I think if that was really the truth I'd have gotten any votes to be lynched. Feels like it was more a case of everyone just being focused on their own world and it being impossible to coordinate anything.

But like realistically a cop played properly I can't even focus a day into trying to question his claim cause he doesn't claim with all the theatrics like that 2 hours into the day and lets the day have some organic discussion first.
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Like you said I overloaded bandwidth but what would you expect useful discussion to look like on that day with a scan revealed so early? I guess we'd all just go back digging for interactions with Death/Pez and save puns some time later game?

Yeah, I guess that'd be better. But eh. I think a day devoted to research is kinda suspicious use of resources. I'll try it next time though, I guess.
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Lopen you had more wacky theories than Cam by the end
and wacky theories are Cam's trademark
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Lopen was in fact pushing crazy theories to the end. Puns very correctly pieced together the last day that sbell was confirmed town and Lopen still found a way to deny it.

Puns claimed he was deciding between me and SBell at the end of the day and I had the vote on Ulti so I'm not sure why you're saying I "found a way to deny it" when I apparently weighed it more than he did

(I know why it's cause you're mad because I don't respect your skill at the game and caught you but you know)
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even a broken clock can be right twice a day
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Also as far as wacky theories go "Mafia Book Reader" being a front for something was probably the most grounded one cause it really didn't make sense when we had all the flavor claims.

Like that role existing was definitely a blunder on Han's part. As mafia you could correctly identify like 2 fairly low impact roles + a bunch of red herrings. As town it was fine but for scum it was very questionable.
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