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HanOfTheNekos posted [p:923615381] in English Li... [t:77806369]...

Votals
(1) Luis: Sir Chris

Double checking votals. If anyone sees a discrepancy, PM me.

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Cow
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There is sadly no Cow Kaiju
Cowju?
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I know

Cow Fu
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I'll add my voice to the chorus that Lopen was no where near town MVP.

Lopen it might be right that if town had followed you, town would've won. But town didn't follow you because you're starting points continued to be way off. You couldn't lead town. Ben had a similar problem. He couldn't get me lynched without a scan. He did try on D3 at least twice by the way. I think you guys figure out he scanned me scum and lynch me D4 if we kill him N3. You would've lost the Death scan though probably. Ultimately Ben was sussed out as cop for any number of different reasons. He could've played better, but his screw up didn't cost town that much.

You repeatedly cost town. Chris was exactly right it was the bandwidth thing. You soaked up all the attention town had. Cam did this a little bit, but people mostly grew to ignore him. I'm not sure he gets lynched this game if he wasn't a flavor miller that town felt like they had to lynch.

Lea - HB/Sheep - Cam mostly fell in the neutral category. They didn't really hurt town or help town.

Tom was actually a plus to town. He made a couple of nice thumbs. In particular thumbing SBell wound up being really useful. But he thumbed me and I think had it setup that if he died that night so did I. So, if I had been the one to send the kill I think Tom dies and then you guys lynch me. But I'm not sure you guys actually would've read Tom the right way. I really don't know why people thought he was scum, he was pretty obviously town.

Lolo claiming BG was fine. Could've used the power on Chris D2. But instead used it on the claimed scanner. I don't blame him on that choice. Every night after that I believe he protected a scanner. Lolo claimed at the time he did because of the HP flavors floating around. The only reason Lolo came close to getting lynched was because Tom just happened to be a third form of weak protection and I timed a B8 special that had a low chance of working, but I thought it was worth the effort because if it worked we saved ourselves a NK and if it didn't I had my "reads" on Tom that I breadcrumbed to show why I voted.

Corrik didn't need to claim. But this is a simple mistake and one made in a single moment when he thought he had something damning. He made up for it with a nice save on Lolo. It was the clear choice and we really should've killed him. But we were afraid of EBG and decided we could risk the delayed death but we couldn't risk Death dying at night. We needed him to soak the lynch. Corrik saving Lolo made it possible for Lolo to actually prevent a kill by soaking a second bullet. This didn't turn into anything but could've and was on balance better than anything you provided.

TLDR You may have had better reads than most of town, but the way you played it had the most negative impact of any player in the game. Everyone else was at least a net neutral if not a net positive. To be fair to you some of that was because they had power roles and therefore had more margin of error. But the fact remains, you cost the town more than any other single player this game.

Maybe
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This seems to be the final list

Ulti
Corrik
Lopen
INCEPTION
HBtheBattle
Panth
Sultan
5tarscream
Chris
Red13
IGCD
Firebolt
Lea
Blade
Popcorn
Lolo

Maybe:
Plum

Replacements:
Camarija
Suprak
Tange
Mzero
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So

@INCEPTlON
@Hbthebattle
@5tarscream
@Popcorn_Fairy

Tell me if you are still ready to play.
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also @HanOfTheNekos

I was never sure what you wanted to do.
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Don't do this death. Don't @ everyone and ask them if they want to play again. Wasting time. If they signed up, they signed up. Just ask the people ur unsure about.
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Fair enough.
Not sure if @s disappear if I edit the posts though
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I may need to cut 1 player, but 5tar and/or Sultan did add ' if you need me' clarifiers.
Otherwise I will check my 17player setup with my cohosts as well.
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Can confirm that @'s do not disappear.
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Drat. Oh well

At least now everyone knows game is starting soon
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If you need to cut then I can miss this one. I have an unexpected trip come up at the end of the week so I dont know what my availability will be then.

Fair enough. I will keep you on as a replacement either way.
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Ok sweet

Meh Pez

I think "choking bandwidth" can only be so damaging to town when town's bandwidth is nowhere close to the right track. Had Ulti recieved any suspicions whatsoever you'd have a point. Like you wanna say I was a net negative sure, but saying I was the most destructive just seems a bit hyperbolic.

Like town was just sorta doing their own thing. There was no real bandwidth that had value. Everyone had their own theories and no one really went with others. So the "easy" lynches generally rose to the top. I think I was inconsequential to driving the thought process of town but I think most anyone would have been.
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Confirming
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Stop saying bandwidth y'all.
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Lopen posted...

Had Ulti recieved any suspicions whatsoever you'd have a point.

I think that kind of is Pez's point. He's saying your play hindered town from viewing the game correctly because your behavior caused everyone to be distracted by you.

For example - you said that your vote of me at final 5 was helpful because it generated discussion. But what came out of that which was actually helpful? All it accomplished was making me focus on you and your wrong arguments, allowing scum to coast (granted, the other 2 town being no more helpful than knots on a log didn't help either) for the majority of the day. It solidified in my perspective that you were likely scum because it was extremely difficult to imagine how your play made sense as town.

Final 4 - you said voting SBell was to get reactions from Ulti? Did it help? That vote made you 99% scum from SBell's perspective, and made it difficult for me to consider it not being one of the two of you. Giving scum perfect cover again.

This is all a matter of perspective, of course. You can try to refute it but at the end of the day it's a highly subjective team game, and if the rest of your team (and the other team) are all saying you are perceived one way, it's rather detrimental to never budge and insist that you're fine and it's everyone else who has a problem.

We will see if Lopen can bounce back this game.
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Now I will say I don't think you were the most detrimental to town. That statement by itself I disagree with. Town actively choosing to be useless is worse than town trying too hard, I think. At least in this case.

I agree that voting SBell was a mistake all things considered, but it was what let me figure out it was Ulti 100% (I wasn't voting SBell just for data, I really wasn't sure if it was him or Ulti at that point but I put an early vote to test reactions-- Ulti voting me early makes a lot more sense if he's town because he has no reason to suspect SBell and he has no reason to think you're scum) and I'm sorry that SBell was so far not into that game that he was locked into countervoting. I agree that voting you was a mistake all things considered because you were town-- but I had to make that play against someone that day because I was 100% right that the game was being roadmapped.

Like I hadn't figured out the game at that point and it was because town as a whole had no clue and was just going on the easy lynches for the sake of playing percentages that made it particularly difficult to figure the game out. If you or SBell were scum, which was viable to think at the time, those plays become good. Like it's easy to say I was distracting but if you remove my distraction I'm very skeptical the lynches don't end up exactly the same because I won no lynches, and there was basically no talk about stuff I was talking about anyway-- like if people actually say "hey the Tom theory is bad here's why" a lot sooner and look into it and reveal SBell is town confirmed (I blame not knowing the rules for not picking this up) a lot sooner then we move on, but I was generally ignored and people just mindlessly voted people who had no scans because they had no scans.

There's just really no reason to give a benefit of a doubt to town there. It's just cool to make me out to be the bad guy because I was the only one who was trying to do anything but coast, but that's misrepresenting what the game was.
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I don't think anyone just set out to just make you the bad guy out of nowhere. I think this was all more of a rebuttal of you saying that you were the least shitty town.

I could be wrong though I was skimming.

Like I mean, as an example, you say my vote on you second to last day was "distracting"

Okay, that's fine. But why did I make that vote? Because I saw that the obvious lynch path was Sheep -> Me.

Who did you argue to lynch when you calmed down? Sheep. So what did I 'distract' from? If I pick Ulti instead of you I'm a hero. I picked wrong, so it's a "bad play" but no play is arguably even worse because you see the writing on the wall and do nothing.
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Modkill Lea plz
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Modkilling Lea is EV+ in this scenario
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Lopen posted...

So what did I 'distract' from?

36 hours of me pondering literally anything other than getting it through your skull that I was town.

Modkill Ben plz
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turbopuns3 posted...

Lopen posted...

So what did I 'distract' from?

36 hours of me pondering literally anything other than getting it through your skull that I was town.

To be fair, if you voted Lopen as scum the final day then there is no reason you spent any time at all trying to convince someone who you thought was scum that you were town.
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Corrik7 posted...

To be fair, if you voted Lopen as scum the final day then there is no reason you spent any time at all trying to convince someone who you thought was scum that you were town.

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You're holding final 5 puns accountable for final 4 puns thoughts.

Like yes I am aware I mislynched. What's your point lol

You weren't obv town though, at least no more than Ulti was. If we go with the 'safe' lynches we lose. That much was known. You said it yourself you gave Ulti no attention whatsoever the final day-- with 36 more hours to think are you just trying to weigh whether it's SBell, me, or sheep, or are you actually considering Ulti? If it's just 36 more hours to determine which 2 of the three of us to lynch, we've already lost.
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Lopen, look nobody is saying town wins 100% of the time if you played differently. Nobody is saying puns would have solved the game every time without Lopen.

We're just saying that at the bottom line, the fact you were talking the most does not automatically mean you were being helpful.

I never said that. I only actually said I was the most useful based on the first two days which most of town can't actually claim they did anything useful those days, and that my talking from 3 on didn't actually "damage town" because there was nothing to damage.

Like there was no constructive thought I was distracting from. You fill my part with a void and the lynch path is pretty much exactly the same, I guarantee it, because the cases on p much everyone but sheep (which I wasn't even the main one building that case after day 1) were really weak and just phoned in. They were all very safe lynches, not really based on in game actions but where the scans weren't, where the meta wasn't, etc etc.

The best case you could make is that if I had not damaged my credibility by doubting Ben that I could have been more convincing and drove the town to actual good lynches, which hey, I'll accept, but that's still saying "you didn't play well enough to save town" more than "you caused town to lose" like some people are trying to spin it as.
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Well anyway. Lunchtime.

Puns would never have lynched Ulti. So, it didn't matter what happened the final days regarding Puns thinking stuff over.
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Im gonna drop out. Not digging the vibe
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If I drop will you rejoin Inception.
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Corrik is scum because he is on my team.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik is scum because he is on my team.

Got 'em
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I mean

every read I had day 1 was wrong, I played on only 2 topics of information

Scum still shot me over Lopen night 1 because they said "Lopen will fuck things up, let him live"

and it worked out well

Yet as wrong as I was day 1, I twisted Dowolf's nips off and it ended up in Chris killing scum day 1 in cold blood

so with a completely shit and innaccurate day I was still much more productive to town than you Lopen
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Yeah making the town kingmaker use their ability is definitely more productive than getting a scum lynched

Why do I even play this game.
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Lol.
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Can we please not discourage players before the game even begins.
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