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thanosibe
08/24/19 10:00:15 AM
#103:


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coh
08/24/19 10:04:09 AM
#104:


There's nothing wrong with only wanting to date biological women.
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Ilishe
08/24/19 10:10:01 AM
#105:


gunplagirl posted...
Trans women are women.


You were making pretty good sense until this sentence where all of your argumentation fell apart at a crucial point.

Trans women are trans women. They are not natural born (cis if you insist) women.

Woman and trans woman is not the same thing. Trans acceptance and trans support is right and necessary for our society but let's keep our facts straight.
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MARKINGRAM22
08/24/19 10:11:20 AM
#106:


averagejoel posted...
transphobia is not limited to outright hatred, and attraction is not limited to wanting to date someone
Alright so you have no argument left.
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NonDairyMiltank
08/24/19 10:14:10 AM
#107:


whether or not you agree with Blaire White, you're not going to get very far tryin to socially strongarm people into dating partners they ain't into

"oh but you wanted me before you knew i was trans" =/= actually attracted to you

it means they were attracted to what they THOUGHT you were
BIG difference...

if you wanna identify as a different gender than what you were born as, more power to you
just remember that not everyone you try to date is gonna agree with your assessment and thats just how it has to be
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ImmatureContent
08/24/19 10:18:18 AM
#108:


NonDairyMiltank posted...
whether or not you agree with Blaire White, you're not going to get very far tryin to socially strongarm people into dating partners they ain't into

"oh but you wanted me before you knew i was trans" =/= actually attracted to you

it means they were attracted to what they THOUGHT you were
BIG difference...

if you wanna identify as a different gender than what you were born as, more power to you
just remember that not everyone you try to date is gonna agree with your assessment and thats just how it has to be

This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them. Changing your mind after you find out they are trans is 100% due to prejudice. It is not about them. It is about you.
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im not 13
08/24/19 10:19:23 AM
#109:


ImmatureContent posted...
This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them. Changing your mind after you find out they are trans is 100% due to prejudice. It is not about them. It is about you.


ITP: Genitals don't matter.
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averagejoel
08/24/19 10:20:13 AM
#110:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
averagejoel posted...
transphobia is not limited to outright hatred, and attraction is not limited to wanting to date someone
Alright so you have no argument left.

I wasn't arguing with you in the first place.

NonDairyMiltank posted...
you're not going to get very far tryin to socially strongarm people into dating partners they ain't into

no one is trying to strongarm people into dating partners they aren't into. we're only saying that it's discriminatory to discount a diverse group of people based on a characteristic that they can't control.
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ImmatureContent
08/24/19 10:37:50 AM
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im not 13 posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them. Changing your mind after you find out they are trans is 100% due to prejudice. It is not about them. It is about you.


ITP: Genitals don't matter.

That is an interesting take away considering my post had nothing to do with genitals.

People are attracted to people. People aren't specifically attracted to genitals... unless they have some sort of weird kink. You can be attracted to someone that you don't want to date. Claiming you aren't attracted to them is bullshit, though. And if the reason you don't want to date someone is based on them being a member of a specific class of people, it would fall under the definition of prejudice.

Not wanting to date someone because you want biological children can be a valid reason. But this also applies to cis females. Not all cis females are capable of having children. But no one goes around claiming they aren't attracted to women that can't have children, because that would be silly.
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NonDairyMiltank
08/24/19 10:45:12 AM
#113:


ImmatureContent posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
whether or not you agree with Blaire White, you're not going to get very far tryin to socially strongarm people into dating partners they ain't into

"oh but you wanted me before you knew i was trans" =/= actually attracted to you

it means they were attracted to what they THOUGHT you were
BIG difference...

if you wanna identify as a different gender than what you were born as, more power to you
just remember that not everyone you try to date is gonna agree with your assessment and thats just how it has to be

This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them.

they're attracted to what they THINK the person is, the whole package

if evidence shows what they thought doesn't match with what they presumed the person was, don't be shocked that the attraction suddenly takes a nosedive

i got nothin personally against trans folk, but i'm never surprised when someone exclusively lookin for cis partners says nope to dating trans (because thats the preference of most people in the world)
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Rexdragon125
08/24/19 10:45:44 AM
#114:


Sexual preferences are sexist
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coh
08/24/19 10:46:23 AM
#115:


This is ridiculous. People weren't having these arguments 30 or even 20 years ago.
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MARKINGRAM22
08/24/19 10:46:49 AM
#116:


averagejoel posted...
I wasn't arguing with you in the first place.

no one is trying to strongarm people into dating partners they aren't into. we're only saying that it's discriminatory to discount a diverse group of people based on a characteristic that they can't control.


Yes, dating is discriminatory, but not dating or being attracted to someone doesn't automatically mean hate. Your argument is absurd and doing a disservice by labeling people who are supporters phobic.

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averagejoel
08/24/19 10:46:58 AM
#117:


NonDairyMiltank posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
whether or not you agree with Blaire White, you're not going to get very far tryin to socially strongarm people into dating partners they ain't into

"oh but you wanted me before you knew i was trans" =/= actually attracted to you

it means they were attracted to what they THOUGHT you were
BIG difference...

if you wanna identify as a different gender than what you were born as, more power to you
just remember that not everyone you try to date is gonna agree with your assessment and thats just how it has to be

This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them.

they're attracted to what they THINK the person is, the whole package

if evidence shows what they thought doesn't match with what they presumed the person was, don't be shocked that the attraction suddenly takes a nosedive

i got nothin personally against trans folk, but i'm never surprised when someone exclusively lookin for cis partners says nope to dating trans (because thats the preference of most people in the world)

I don't think anyone here is surprised by that. we're saying that it's discriminatory against trans people to do so, and is in line with a societal system that discriminates against trans people.
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averagejoel
08/24/19 10:48:06 AM
#118:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
averagejoel posted...
I wasn't arguing with you in the first place.

no one is trying to strongarm people into dating partners they aren't into. we're only saying that it's discriminatory to discount a diverse group of people based on a characteristic that they can't control.


Yes, dating is discriminatory, but not dating or being attracted to someone doesn't automatically mean hate. Your argument is absurd and doing a disservice by labeling people who are supporters phobic.

again, transphobia is a system. actively hating trans people is not the only way to partake in that system.
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im not 13
08/24/19 10:49:37 AM
#119:


ImmatureContent posted...
That is an interesting take away considering my post had nothing to do with genitals.

People are attracted to people. People aren't specifically attracted to genitals... unless they have some sort of weird kink. You can be attracted to someone that you don't want to date. Claiming you aren't attracted to them is bullshit, though. And if the reason you don't want to date someone is based on them being a member of a specific class of people, it would fall under the definition of prejudice.

Not wanting to date someone because you want biological children can be a valid reason. But this also applies to cis females. Not all cis females are capable of having children. But no one goes around claiming they aren't attracted to women that can't have children, because that would be silly.


ITP: People aren't attracted to boobs, dick size, asses, shaved/unshaved cootch.

You are generalising way to much to prove your point. Stop it.
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DarkProto05
08/24/19 10:50:35 AM
#120:


ImmatureContent posted...
im not 13 posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them. Changing your mind after you find out they are trans is 100% due to prejudice. It is not about them. It is about you.


ITP: Genitals don't matter.

That is an interesting take away considering my post had nothing to do with genitals.

People are attracted to people. People aren't specifically attracted to genitals... unless they have some sort of weird kink. You can be attracted to someone that you don't want to date. Claiming you aren't attracted to them is bullshit, though. And if the reason you don't want to date someone is based on them being a member of a specific class of people, it would fall under the definition of prejudice.

Not wanting to date someone because you want biological children can be a valid reason. But this also applies to cis females. Not all cis females are capable of having children. But no one goes around claiming they aren't attracted to women that can't have children, because that would be silly.

If I can't tell that a woman is trans because every part of her looks so real and she's post-op, I'd have no problem dating her (even if I found out she's trans). But if she's pre-op, looks just like a woman, and when we finally get naked she has a penis that would be a big problem. How the fuck can you not see that's a big problem to a straight male? Oh because you aren't one so don't judge us.
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ImmatureContent
08/24/19 10:52:04 AM
#121:


im not 13 posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
That is an interesting take away considering my post had nothing to do with genitals.

People are attracted to people. People aren't specifically attracted to genitals... unless they have some sort of weird kink. You can be attracted to someone that you don't want to date. Claiming you aren't attracted to them is bullshit, though. And if the reason you don't want to date someone is based on them being a member of a specific class of people, it would fall under the definition of prejudice.

Not wanting to date someone because you want biological children can be a valid reason. But this also applies to cis females. Not all cis females are capable of having children. But no one goes around claiming they aren't attracted to women that can't have children, because that would be silly.


ITP: People aren't attracted to boobs, dick size, asses, shaved/unshaved cootch.

You are generalising way to much to prove your point. Stop it.

And you aren't even making a point. You are just posting gibberish and not responding to my point.
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im not 13
08/24/19 10:56:41 AM
#122:


I can't take your posts or point seriously because you actually believe that people don't care about genitals when selecting a mate

You also believe it's "silly" for a man to want to procreate with his selected partner.

Just because YOU think it's silly doesn't mean everyone else does or should
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averagejoel
08/24/19 10:57:48 AM
#123:


im not 13 posted...
I can't take your posts or point seriously because you actually believe that people don't care about genitals when selecting a mate

You also believe it's "silly" for a man to want to procreate with his selected partner.

Just because YOU think it's silly doesn't mean everyone else does or should

it's not that it's silly. it's that it's transphobic. which is the entire point in the first place.
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ImmatureContent
08/24/19 10:57:53 AM
#124:


DarkProto05 posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
im not 13 posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them. Changing your mind after you find out they are trans is 100% due to prejudice. It is not about them. It is about you.


ITP: Genitals don't matter.

That is an interesting take away considering my post had nothing to do with genitals.

People are attracted to people. People aren't specifically attracted to genitals... unless they have some sort of weird kink. You can be attracted to someone that you don't want to date. Claiming you aren't attracted to them is bullshit, though. And if the reason you don't want to date someone is based on them being a member of a specific class of people, it would fall under the definition of prejudice.

Not wanting to date someone because you want biological children can be a valid reason. But this also applies to cis females. Not all cis females are capable of having children. But no one goes around claiming they aren't attracted to women that can't have children, because that would be silly.

If I can't tell that a woman is trans because every part of her looks so real and she's post-op, I'd have no problem dating her (even if I found out she's trans). But if she's pre-op, looks just like a woman, and when we finally get naked she has a penis that would be a big problem. How the fuck can you not see that's a big problem to a straight male? Oh because you aren't one so don't judge us.

Who said I was judging anyone? I am pointing out the prejudices that people hold. I am not saying you are a bad person for having prejudices. But when people ignore prejudices, nothing will ever change. Also, how do you know I am not a straight male? I was raised as a straight male. I thought of myself as such for quite a large portion of my life. I think that qualifies me to understand the straight male point of view pretty well.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
08/24/19 10:58:19 AM
#125:


this is such a non fucking issue
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inloveanddeath0
08/24/19 10:59:57 AM
#126:


I'm glad I live in the real world.

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DarkProto05
08/24/19 11:01:08 AM
#127:


Please stop trying so hard. Anyone with any sort of social intuition would know straight men don't want to see a penis other than their own in bed. It's not trans-phobic and there's nothing morally wrong.
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averagejoel
08/24/19 11:01:33 AM
#128:


RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
this is such a non fucking issue

indeed. so why are people getting so defensive over the idea that their preferences might be informed by a discriminatory system?
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
08/24/19 11:02:16 AM
#129:


averagejoel posted...

indeed. so why are people getting so defensive over the idea that their preferences might be informed by a discriminatory system?

Because people can't mind t heir own fucking business.

"you're a bigot". "Okay". Now what?
"it's my prefrence". "okay". Now what?
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:02:24 AM
#130:


Lonestar2000 posted...
Why do people still respond to the garbage gunplagirl posts?

because she's a person and not garbage?
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DarkProto05
08/24/19 11:02:54 AM
#131:


averagejoel posted...
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
this is such a non fucking issue

indeed. so why are people getting so defensive over the idea that their preferences might be informed by a discriminatory system?

Oh man the victim complex is real. Straight men not wanting a penis is their own personal choice not "the man" telling them what to do.
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inloveanddeath0
08/24/19 11:03:06 AM
#132:


biggernails posted...
because she's a person and not garbage?
He said her posts are garbage, try harder though cupcake

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NonDairyMiltank
08/24/19 11:03:21 AM
#133:


averagejoel posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
ImmatureContent posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
whether or not you agree with Blaire White, you're not going to get very far tryin to socially strongarm people into dating partners they ain't into

"oh but you wanted me before you knew i was trans" =/= actually attracted to you

it means they were attracted to what they THOUGHT you were
BIG difference...

if you wanna identify as a different gender than what you were born as, more power to you
just remember that not everyone you try to date is gonna agree with your assessment and thats just how it has to be

This is complete bullshit. If you attracted to someone, you are attracted to them.

they're attracted to what they THINK the person is, the whole package

if evidence shows what they thought doesn't match with what they presumed the person was, don't be shocked that the attraction suddenly takes a nosedive

i got nothin personally against trans folk, but i'm never surprised when someone exclusively lookin for cis partners says nope to dating trans (because thats the preference of most people in the world)

I don't think anyone here is surprised by that. we're saying that it's discriminatory against trans people

well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

i mean if youre just triggered by someone stating they don't want to date <insert demographic>, i don't know what to tell you, thats not an uncommon thing

and if you think people not wanting to date a trans person is transphobia, well good luck, because that would mean MOST people have transphobic views when it comes to dating....
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:03:57 AM
#134:


it's all or nothing. if you don't find a transgendered person unattractive that does not make you a bad person
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:04:42 AM
#135:


inloveanddeath0 posted...
biggernails posted...
because she's a person and not garbage?
He said her posts are garbage, try harder though cupcake

that's not how it works. she deserves to have her opinion spread
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:06:07 AM
#137:


GregShmedley posted...
Imagine giving averagejoel or gunplagirl the time of day on this subject.

No, refusing to date or fuck a transgender person is NOT discriminatory or transphobic.

I think their point of view still has merit
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averagejoel
08/24/19 11:06:26 AM
#138:


DarkProto05 posted...
averagejoel posted...
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
this is such a non fucking issue

indeed. so why are people getting so defensive over the idea that their preferences might be informed by a discriminatory system?

Oh man the victim complex is real. Straight men not wanting a penis is their own personal choice not "the man" telling them what to do.

what victim complex? transphobia is a societal system. it has an effect on people's dating preferences and the choices they make. is that so hard to accept?
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
08/24/19 11:06:39 AM
#139:


Here's the fun fact of the situation from either side: it's not illegal to rant about you being transphobic. It's also not illegal to say you don't wanna have anything to do with transpeople

Either way neither side has the power to win. It's two sides screaming at one another with no intention to actually convince the other side they're wrong. It's just an exercise in venting.
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:07:00 AM
#140:


averagejoel posted...
DarkProto05 posted...
averagejoel posted...
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
this is such a non fucking issue

indeed. so why are people getting so defensive over the idea that their preferences might be informed by a discriminatory system?

Oh man the victim complex is real. Straight men not wanting a penis is their own personal choice not "the man" telling them what to do.

what victim complex? transphobia is a societal system. it has an effect on people's dating preferences and the choices they make. is that so hard to accept?

you need to reflect on how wrong you are
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:07:32 AM
#141:


RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
Here's the fun fact of the situation from either side: it's not illegal to rant about you being transphobic. It's also not illegal to say you don't wanna have anything to do with transpeople

Either way neither side has the power to win. It's two sides screaming at one another with no intention to actually convince the other side they're wrong. It's just an exercise in venting.

what is your point? you're just farting in the wind
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averagejoel
08/24/19 11:09:01 AM
#142:


NonDairyMiltank posted...
well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

people thinking about their preferences and recognizing that their preferences are informed by a societal system that fundamentally does not respect trans people as human beings would be a decent start
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biggernails
08/24/19 11:10:27 AM
#143:


averagejoel posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

people thinking about their preferences and recognizing that their preferences are informed by a societal system that fundamentally does not respect trans people as human beings would be a decent start

then tell the truth
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HollowKnail
08/24/19 11:13:11 AM
#144:


this is what I think you are like averagejoel
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averagejoel
08/24/19 11:13:40 AM
#145:


biggernails posted...
averagejoel posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

people thinking about their preferences and recognizing that their preferences are informed by a societal system that fundamentally does not respect trans people as human beings would be a decent start

then tell the truth

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I haven't lied so far in this topic
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HollowKnail
08/24/19 11:14:06 AM
#146:


averagejoel posted...
biggernails posted...
averagejoel posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

people thinking about their preferences and recognizing that their preferences are informed by a societal system that fundamentally does not respect trans people as human beings would be a decent start

then tell the truth

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I haven't lied so far in this topic

are you so sure about that?
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SSMajinVegeta2
08/24/19 11:15:00 AM
#147:


DespondentDeity posted...
You can definitely support trans rights while not having interest in dating trans people.



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HollowKnail
08/24/19 11:16:07 AM
#148:


SSMajinVegeta2 posted...
DespondentDeity posted...
You can definitely support trans rights while not having interest in dating trans people.



this. but also I am interested in dating trans people lol
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averagejoel
08/24/19 11:16:22 AM
#149:


HollowKnail posted...
averagejoel posted...
biggernails posted...
averagejoel posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

people thinking about their preferences and recognizing that their preferences are informed by a societal system that fundamentally does not respect trans people as human beings would be a decent start

then tell the truth

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I haven't lied so far in this topic

are you so sure about that?

I'm 100% sure that I haven't lied and I'm also 100% sure that I don't know what you're referring to
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DarkProto05
08/24/19 11:18:11 AM
#151:


averagejoel posted...
biggernails posted...
averagejoel posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
well no shit

welcome to the world of modern dating
its casually loaded with prejudice and discrimination
thats a commonly practiced natural aspect of it
theres even mainstream dating apps crafted to filter certain people out
anyone whos a minority knows this, because we feel the brunt of it...

if you dont match what someone else wants, all you can do is toughen up buttercup and try elsewhere

you think thats wrong and the world needs to change? okay
tell us your plan for convincing most people to accept dating trans people
because right now most people don't

people thinking about their preferences and recognizing that their preferences are informed by a societal system that fundamentally does not respect trans people as human beings would be a decent start

then tell the truth

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I haven't lied so far in this topic

I respect trans-persons but don't want their dicks. I also respect men but don't want their dicks, does that make me homo-phobic or a misandrist? You're trying too hard to either 1. troll or 2. play the victim.
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HollowKnail
08/24/19 11:18:30 AM
#152:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
averagejoel is a delusional narcissist who would rather create enemies then to accept that some people don't like penis' sexually or surgical vaginas and can still support trans rights.

nah. he's just a far leftist
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averagejoel
08/24/19 11:19:20 AM
#153:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
averagejoel is a delusional narcissist who would rather create enemies then to accept that some people don't like penis' sexually or surgical vaginas and can still support trans rights.

I assure you I am neither delusional or a narcissist. and I said nothing about genitals or surgery or trans rights. did you even read any of my posts?
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