Current Events > Transgender celebrity agrees that not wanting to date trans people isn't...

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evil_zombie11 posted...

Eh, she's in the smallest minority with that thinking anyway.

Yeah, I guess I just don't get it. I support trans rights 100% but don't think people should force themselves to make attractions where there aren't any. And there's way more to a person than what's between their legs. A transman is going to have a completely different life experience from a cis gay man and our feelings and personality are important in relationships.

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evil_zombie11 posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

If you say so

Eh, she's in the smallest minority with that thinking anyway.

What can I say, transphobes don't think they're transphobic for the same reasons racist people don't think they're racist. They don't actually see anything wrong with their views and have little to no regard for those they harm or wish harm upon.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

evil_zombie11 posted...

Eh, she's in the smallest minority with that thinking anyway.

Yeah, I guess I just don't get it. I support trans rights 100% but don't think people should force themselves to make attractions where there aren't any. And there's way more to a person than what's between their legs. A transman is going to have a completely different life experience from a cis gay man and our feelings and personality are important in relationships.

Some people can't see stuff like that, best to leave them be. tbh
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Crash posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Trans women's vaginas aren't made with colons.

They literally can be, and it's grotesque.

It's made with part of one, not the whole thing, and calling it grotesque? Sounds like you're projecting.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

evil_zombie11 posted...

Eh, she's in the smallest minority with that thinking anyway.

Yeah, I guess I just don't get it. I support trans rights 100% but don't think people should force themselves to make attractions where there aren't any. And there's way more to a person than what's between their legs. A transman is going to have a completely different life experience from a cis gay man and our feelings and personality are important in relationships.

I never said anyone had to force themselves to be attracted to anything or anyone.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I never said anyone had to force themselves to be attracted to anything or anyone.

Am I transphobic because I don't want to see transmen with vaginas in my gay porn?

Are you, as a gay ace, attracted to penises? If so, then there's no issue with you not being attracted to trans men (two words by the way) who have a vagina. It's an issue if you'd have a problem with all trans men who have had a phalloplasty.

Like. I used the vagina hetero male example and you can't determine the a basic parallel to figure this shit out on your own, are you fucking kidding me?
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I think you're the one who doesn't understand not everyone has the same preferences.

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evil_zombie11 posted...

Wow someone actually took the bait.

Lol... as I was reading this topic, it was almost going to be me! >_< glad I didnt.

Now back to the entertainment.
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RyuVegas posted...

evil_zombie11 posted...

Wow someone actually took the bait.

Lol... as I was reading this topic, it was almost going to be me! >_< glad I didnt.

Now back to the entertainment.

Lmao ayyyyyyy
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Thats the thing. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences related to both relationships and/or sex. You dont owe anybody anything, and only you know what kind of people youre attracted to. Not wanting to date a trans person in this context is no different to not being attracted to a certain body type, hair color, height, WHATEVER.

Its your business and yours alone

MorbidFaithless posted...

I usually agree with most of gunplagirl's posts. I'm a hardcore liberal too. So I can't understand why she would think sexuality and attraction is mutable.

same but I'm unconcerned. you can't force or expect people to come to the same concensus all the time. best to like people for what you like them and shrug off the minor differences imo

MorbidFaithless posted...

I think you're the one who doesn't understand not everyone has the same preferences, for what can be a million reasons. Goodnight.

If you exclude an entire diverse group, yadda yadda. You don't understand a fucking thing.

It's like if there were a pop quiz and I literally handed you the answer key and you still decided you want to fail the quiz that's literally a single yes/ no answer and you somehow think you're right despite the answer key asleep explaining why the answer is what it is.
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I'm a transphobic bigot if I don't want to have sex with a woman with a penis now.

What a wonderful world.

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Kensaimage posted...

Thats the thing. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences related to both relationships and/or sex. You dont owe anybody anything, and only you know what kind of people youre attracted to. Not wanting to date a trans person in this context is no different to not being attracted to a certain body type, hair color, height, WHATEVER.

Its your business and yours alone

Go ahead and name a time in history where people, let's say under 5'4, were rounded up and killed on the basis of their height.
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yemmy posted...

I'm a transphobic bigot if I don't want to have sex with a woman with a penis now.

What a wonderful world.

Isnt it though?

*insert 90s NOOOOOT here*
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gunplagirl posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Thats the thing. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences related to both relationships and/or sex. You dont owe anybody anything, and only you know what kind of people youre attracted to. Not wanting to date a trans person in this context is no different to not being attracted to a certain body type, hair color, height, WHATEVER.

Its your business and yours alone

Go ahead and name a time in history where people, let's say under 5'4, were rounded up and killed on the basis of their height.

Correlation, what is it?
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im not 13 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Thats the thing. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences related to both relationships and/or sex. You dont owe anybody anything, and only you know what kind of people youre attracted to. Not wanting to date a trans person in this context is no different to not being attracted to a certain body type, hair color, height, WHATEVER.

Its your business and yours alone

Go ahead and name a time in history where people, let's say under 5'4, were rounded up and killed on the basis of their height.

Correlation, what is it?

Missing the point, that your comparison fails to hold up
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Why do people still entertain Negis insane ramblings and opinions, christ people

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if you're outright rejecting the notion of ever dating someone on the basis of them being trans then you're quacking like a duck

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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

Why do people still entertain Negis insane ramblings and opinions, christ people

I like her. Just because I don't agree with her doesn't necessarily mean she's always wrong.

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

I mean, it's not transphobic. Don't know why a celebrity making a common sense statement adds validity to it.

Don't you have another suspension worthy post to make? Your Koch head role model passed away, go Stan him or something.

(Like watching family argue at the dinner table)
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Lyrica posted...

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

Okay so what about the case where a woman finds out a man is poorer than she thought when she goes back home with him. Is she then obligated to still be attracted if she no longer is? The fact is attraction is a complicated thing and is sometimes tied to expectations and possibilities.

biggernails posted...

Lyrica posted...

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

Okay so what about the case where a woman finds out a man is poorer than she thought when she goes back home with him. Is she then obligated to still be attracted if she no longer is? The fact is attraction is a complicated thing and is sometimes tied to expectations and possibilities.

If that's the case then the woman was never really attracted to the man to begin with. She obviously just wanted his money.

Preference is a thing. I'm not denying that. But it's not a case of preference if you're attracted to someone and then you're suddenly not attracted when you find out the person was born the same sex. That is transphobia because obviously you believe sleeping with someone who is trans is an abomination despite the attraction.

Lyrica posted...

biggernails posted...

Lyrica posted...

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

Okay so what about the case where a woman finds out a man is poorer than she thought when she goes back home with him. Is she then obligated to still be attracted if she no longer is? The fact is attraction is a complicated thing and is sometimes tied to expectations and possibilities.

If that's the case then the woman was never really attracted to the man to begin with. She obviously just wanted his money.

Preference is a thing. I'm not denying that. But it's not a case of preference if you're attracted to someone and then you're suddenly not attracted when you find out the person was born the same sex. That is transphobia because obviously you believe sleeping with someone who is trans is an abomination despite the attraction.

I mean I think you're getting hung up thinking people are all assholes that aren't attracted to transgender people out of spite or transphobia. And while you might be right in some cases, I don't think applying that generalizing to everyone is fair nor helpful. It's kind of off-putting in a sense. I will say I am sometimes attracted to some.

biggernails posted...

Lyrica posted...

biggernails posted...

Lyrica posted...

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

Okay so what about the case where a woman finds out a man is poorer than she thought when she goes back home with him. Is she then obligated to still be attracted if she no longer is? The fact is attraction is a complicated thing and is sometimes tied to expectations and possibilities.

If that's the case then the woman was never really attracted to the man to begin with. She obviously just wanted his money.

Preference is a thing. I'm not denying that. But it's not a case of preference if you're attracted to someone and then you're suddenly not attracted when you find out the person was born the same sex. That is transphobia because obviously you believe sleeping with someone who is trans is an abomination despite the attraction.

I mean I think you're getting hung up thinking people are all assholes that aren't attracted to transgender people out of spite or transphobia. And while you might be right in some cases, I don't think applying that generalizing to everyone is fair nor helpful. It's kind of off-putting in a sense. I will say I am sometimes attracted to some.

I mean, I definitely know there are straight guys who are attracted to trans people. But I do think preference is sometimes used to defend bigotry. If I said, "I'm not into Asians" and then I date someone who happens to be 70% Asian with Caucasian phenotype but then dump them as soon as they tell me they're mostly Asian, what does that say about me?

I mean maybe yeah, but you shouldn't seek to generalize it in a way that lumps everyone into a box like that. It's not fair to people. It's not like people can choose their attraction to others much. It's mostly just something that happens or not and may or may not go away when you see a person in a different light than you originally did. I get that it can hurt to be rejected like that though, so I'm not trying to slam you or call you a bad person or anything.

Don't feed the trolls guys. You know who they are and how insane and backwards there logic is. It's just a waste of time.
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This isn't 100% for sure, but one giveaway of a man to women trans is hands. A women with giant hands and thick fingers like a man. Yeah that turn will turn me right the fuck off. Nope
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biggernails posted...

Lyrica posted...

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

Okay so what about the case where a woman finds out a man is poorer than she thought when she goes back home with him. Is she then obligated to still be attracted if she no longer is? The fact is attraction is a complicated thing and is sometimes tied to expectations and possibilities.

the woman is being classist
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people seem to have skipped this post for some reason.

averagejoel posted...

transphobia is best thought of as a system. our society is transphobic. we were raised in society. this has an effect on the way we view the world, whether or not we realize it.

it is reasonable to assume that this would have an effect on peoples' dating preferences.

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averagejoel posted...

people seem to have skipped this post for some reason.

averagejoel posted...

transphobia is best thought of as a system. our society is transphobic. we were raised in society. this has an effect on the way we view the world, whether or not we realize it.

it is reasonable to assume that this would have an effect on peoples' dating preferences.

maybe. but to assume this it de facto true of every person that turns it down is asinine and perhaps even heterophobic

biggernails posted...

maybe. but to assume this it de facto true of every person that turns it down is asinine and perhaps even heterophobic

then it's a good thing that that isn't the assumption being made
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yemmy posted...

I'm a transphobic bigot if I don't want to have sex with a woman with a penis now.

What a wonderful world.

To be fair, I have literally never met a single person in real life who feels this way (including trans and other LGBT folks). I think these ridiculous, extremist views you're hearing are pretty much just from people who never get off the Internet. And they know they're on the wrong side of both history and biology here.

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averagejoel posted...

biggernails posted...

maybe. but to assume this it de facto true of every person that turns it down is asinine and perhaps even heterophobic

then it's a good thing that that isn't the assumption being made

then what is your point?

biggernails posted...

averagejoel posted...

biggernails posted...

maybe. but to assume this it de facto true of every person that turns it down is asinine and perhaps even heterophobic

then it's a good thing that that isn't the assumption being made

then what is your point?

that transphobia is a system which has an effect on peoples' dating preferences. did you actually read my post?
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averagejoel posted...

biggernails posted...

averagejoel posted...

biggernails posted...

maybe. but to assume this it de facto true of every person that turns it down is asinine and perhaps even heterophobic

then it's a good thing that that isn't the assumption being made

then what is your point?

that transphobia is a system which has an effect on peoples' dating preferences. did you actually read my post?

eh, you're about half right, but half bs. attraction is a thing fostered by society that is true, but even still I find myself attracted to certain transgendered women so I don't think your assertion carries a full salt load

"I don't understand how we went from "sexual preference isn't a choice" to "if u don't fuck x group you are x-phobic"

Well she's not wrong.
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gunplagirl posted...

Holy fuck, dude, you're making logical leaps the size of mountains.

Plenty of trans women have vaginas. That's what I mean by diverse group. Like, do you understand any of this?

So then, if a guy is into women and he is in to vaginas but he still is turned off by the idea of all trans women, even ones with a vagina, it's stemming from some sort of disdain towards trans women.

So I almost hooked up with a trans woman, that was post op. Sorry it wasn't the same thing and I was not into it...it isn't distain and the idea of what a post op surgery is and not being into that doesn't mean distain. I like women and trans women that are pre op. Post op I am not into, but clearly I don't have an issue with trans women. There are many like me as well, so that kind of throws a wrench in your theory.

averagejoel posted...

that transphobia is a system which has an effect on peoples' dating preferences. did you actually read my post?

The fact that transphobia and social pressure effects someone dating trans people, doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't want to date a woman with a penis or someone with genitals that have been operated on are transphobic.

I dont like dick or fake pussy. If that makes me transphobic then so be it bc I will never have sex with a biological male.
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Lyrica posted...

If a guy is willing to hit on a woman, buy her a drink, take her home, and then she says, "I'm trans," well, there's no denying that the guy was ATTRACTED to her. There's no such thing as being "tricked" into something you're attracted to. You're either attracted or you're not.

I think you are ignoring the whole having a penis and not being into penis. Pretty convenient oversight for your argument. I have dated and had sex with trans women btw.

CHAON1 posted...

I dont like dick or fake pussy. If that makes me transphobic then so be it bc I will never have sex with a biological male.

People saying if you don't like post op trans women that is proof, but I have seen it and it is not the same. Not being into that is perfectly normal. I have also had sex with trans women, so don't know the mental gymnastics you would have to make to say dating a women with a penis over a vagina is transphobic.

biggernails posted...

averagejoel posted...

biggernails posted...

averagejoel posted...

biggernails posted...

maybe. but to assume this it de facto true of every person that turns it down is asinine and perhaps even heterophobic

then it's a good thing that that isn't the assumption being made

then what is your point?

that transphobia is a system which has an effect on peoples' dating preferences. did you actually read my post?

eh, you're about half right, but half bs. attraction is a thing fostered by society that is true, but even still I find myself attracted to certain transgendered women so I don't think your assertion carries a full salt load

not being attracted to specific trans women is not necessarily transphobic. not being attracted to trans women as a whole absolutely is.
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averagejoel posted...

not being attracted to specific trans women is not necessarily transphobic. not being attracted to trans women as a whole absolutely is.

Literally an insane thing to say. It has been laid out multiple times. Liking certain genitals doesn't make someone hate the other sex, so of course it wouldn't make you transphobic. As I have said I have seen(and felt) post op vagina without knowing...I did not like it at all. This is coming from someone who has dated and had sex with trans women. So now we have established 2 completely reasonable reasons for not wanting to have sex with a pre and post op trans person.

I don't really know how else you could argue someone has to hate trans people to not date one. I mean just for post op...If I am already doing what I am doing with a trans woman with a penis, why would I be transphobic against a post op trans person that more resembles a biological woman?

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

I don't really know how else you could argue someone has to hate trans people to not date one.

transphobia is not limited to outright hatred, and attraction is not limited to wanting to date someone
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What if you only don't want to date a trans person because you want to have biological children with your partner?
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I'd bang Blaire White
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Why do people still respond to the garbage gunplagirl posts?
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