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Full Throttle 09/16/19 12:35:49 AM #1: |
Do you agree with Judge Melgren in sending this kid to the big house despite the prosecutor and defense agreeing to NO PRISON? - Results (4 votes)
Yes. This judge made the right decision in ignoring the plea deal made and made an example out this kid
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No. He should have agreed with the lawyers..Now this kid's life will be ruined and no good will come from this
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He glanced at his parents where they were seated his Mom began BAWLING and got up and left the courtroom and his POLICE OFFICER FATHER Dad put his head into his hands. The prosecutor and defense agreed to only PROBATION for less than 2 years and NO PRISON time but Judge Melgren said he wanted to make a statement against swatters and made an example out of him. He was upset over a 1.50 bet while playing Call of Duty: WWII Online and was sentenced to 15 months in prison and is also banned from gaming for 2 YEARS while on supervised release as he repeatedly gulped and crestfallen as the judge announced his decision He plead guilty in April to felony charges of conspiracy and obstruction of justice in the hope he WOULDN'T be sentenced to prison. He admitted in trying to hide his involvement in 2017 when he realized someone got killed as he told the judge he was awfully sorry for anything to happen and he thought about it everyday Prosecutors and Defense lawyers agreed to a recommended 2 years on probation with the condition he is confiend for 6 months to his home unless going to work or school or CHURCH as well as the ban on gaming But Judge Melgren said a prison sentence was required to reflect theseriousness of his offense and give the public a sense that the criminal justice system was working Viner himself was SWATTED 20 days earlier to the Kansas incident according to his lawyer and said Viner lost 20 POUNDS given the reflection he took on his "harmless prank" Then 19 y/o Shane Gaskill was also arrested and 25 y/o Tyler Bariss from Los Angeles, who has a reputation was sentenced to 20 years in the big house 28 y/o Andrew Finch was killed and it drew national attention on "swatting"a form of gaming retaliation where someone reports a false emergency to get SWAT team to descend on a fake address given by another gamer Finch was shot IMMEDIATELY upon opening the door when a police officer shot him out of "surprise" . US Attorney Debra Barnett says she doesn't know what a kid like Viner is gonna get out of sitting on a block with more hardened criminals as she FEARS for his safety As for the officer who shot Finch, the local district attorney REFUSES to charge the officer because he thought Finch was "reaching" for a gun at the time of the door opening Do you agree with Judge Melgren on ignoring the prosecutor and defenses agreement for no jail time and gave him a prison sentence anyway? Casey - Going to the big house Tyler - 20 years in the big house Andrew - Deceased Judge Melgren - --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. A GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 48 HOURS. THIS ACCOUNT ONLY!! I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krow_Incarnate 09/16/19 12:39:25 AM #2: |
Good on that judge. Fuck this kid and anyone who thinks this shit is a joke.
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zebatov 09/16/19 12:46:24 AM #3: |
Imagine being able to get away with shooting someone because you say you think he was doing something. That would never work for a civilian.
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streamofthesky 09/16/19 1:16:32 AM #4: |
Good for the judge, and fuck that prosecutor
And also screw the DA in Kansas that won't press charges on the murdering cop. All of these bastards belong in prison. All of them. EDIT: Full Throttle posted... He glanced at his parents where they were seated his Mom began BAWLING and got up and left the courtroom and his POLICE OFFICER FATHER Dad put his head into his hands. The prosecutor and defense agreed to only PROBATION for less than 2 years and NO PRISON time but Judge Melgren said he wanted to make a statement against swatters and made an example out of him. Ooooooohhhhh.... So THAT is why the prosecution was trying their best to help him. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aaantlion 09/16/19 1:50:39 AM #5: |
Full Throttle posted...
The prosecutor and defense agreed to only PROBATION for less than 2 years and NO PRISON time but Judge Melgren said he wanted to make a statement against swatters and made an example out of him. Well, I have mixed feelings. On one hand, the prosecution and defense had come to an agreement and, had they known the judge would override things like this, I expect that the defense would have had it go to trial. On the other hand, OF COURSE he should go to prison, even if it was just for a few months. The other plus is that this creates a precedent so other people who paid swatters -- most of whom should have also done time -- are more likely to serve at least a little time in prison for this and even the threat of a few months in prison should be enough to deter most of them. zebatov posted... Imagine being able to get away with shooting someone because you say you think he was doing something. That would never work for a civilian. Imagine being able to operate on somebody just because you're doing your job as a surgeon. That would never work for a civilian. streamofthesky posted... And also screw the DA in Kansas that won't press charges on the murdering cop. All of these bastards belong in prison. All of them. The dispatcher who gave the marching orders to the cop deserves to be in prison more than the cop who was relying on bad intel from dispatch, but ultimately all blame belongs to the people FALSELY reporting incidents which causes shit like this to happen. streamofthesky posted... So THAT is why the prosecution was trying their best to help him. Or they were just hoping to get a plea to avoid having this go to trial and lose the case. --- (\/)(\/)|-| ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 09/16/19 2:00:07 AM #6: |
I do not like our prison system and I think only people who are a danger to society should be locked up, and even then, they should have most of the chance at a normal life, just segregated from general society.
That being said, this sentence is STILL light enough to be within the realms of a punishment for just calling in a false report and wasting police resources (which could lead to a death due to them not being available for something else), let alone the ACTUAL death of a person due to your criminal act. He got basically less then a year (15 months with good behavior is gonna be like 7 months...almost 1/2 a year) for directly causing the death of someone by his direct and conscious action. I hate the concept of sticking someone in a cell, but even I think that is warranted. I do think something like a work camp, with light security, could be used in such situations, keeping short term prisoners away from long term criminals and possibly preventing them from a life of crime afterwards. But yeah, you do something like this, you don't get off scott free, and most importantly everyone knows you don't...making it much less likely for it happening again. --- Zangulus "I try to avoid having any knowledge at all of his dick." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grendel 09/16/19 2:16:57 AM #7: |
Full Throttle posted...
But Judge Melgren said a prison sentence was required to reflect theseriousness of his offense and give the public a sense that the criminal justice system was working Meanwhile Full Throttle posted... As for the officer who shot Finch, the local district attorney REFUSES to charge the officer because he thought Finch was "reaching" for a gun at the time of the door opening ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aaantlion 09/16/19 2:22:42 AM #8: |
Grendel posted...
Full Throttle posted...But Judge Melgren said a prison sentence was required to reflect theseriousness of his offense and give the public a sense that the criminal justice system was working ...which is hardly unreasonable when dispatch tells you that an armed suspect is holding a family hostage (after ALREADY killing one member) and threatening to burn the building down with the hostages in there. The officer never heard the phone call -- where the guy is giggling at times -- he only heard dispatch who reported it as an actual threat which, in all honesty, they kinda *have* to. All he knew is that the guy at the door had supposedly placed the call and told dispatch he had a gun. --- (\/)(\/)|-| ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 09/16/19 2:23:07 AM #9: |
Grendel posted...
Full Throttle posted...But Judge Melgren said a prison sentence was required to reflect theseriousness of his offense and give the public a sense that the criminal justice system was working He said it was to give the public the sense that the criminal justice system works, not to actually make it work lol --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 09/16/19 2:23:56 AM #10: |
Aaantlion posted...
...which is reasonable when dispatch tells you that an armed suspect is holding a family hostage and threatening to burn the building down with the hostages in there. The officer never heard the phone call -- where the guy is giggling at times -- he only heard dispatch who reported it as an actual threat which, in all honesty, they kinda *have* to. He still imagined a gun and got trigger happy. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aaantlion 09/16/19 2:27:44 AM #11: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Aaantlion posted......which is reasonable when dispatch tells you that an armed suspect is holding a family hostage and threatening to burn the building down with the hostages in there. The officer never heard the phone call -- where the guy is giggling at times -- he only heard dispatch who reported it as an actual threat which, in all honesty, they kinda *have* to. He didn't "imagine" that the suspect was armed, he was told by dispatch that the suspect was armed and had already shot somebody. He was fed bad information while interacting with a suspect who ignored orders. --- (\/)(\/)|-| ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 09/16/19 2:28:02 AM #12: |
Krow_Incarnate posted...
Good on that judge. Fuck this kid and anyone who thinks this shit is a joke. This. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 09/16/19 2:29:44 AM #13: |
Aaantlion posted...
...which is reasonable when dispatch tells you that an armed suspect is holding a family hostage and threatening to burn the building down with the hostages in there. The officer never heard the phone call -- where the guy is giggling at times -- he only heard dispatch who reported it as an actual threat which, in all honesty, they kinda *have* to. The dispatcher reports the call s/he got. That's their job. It's the cop who actually responds to the scene that is supposed to assess the situation. Some dude answered the door w/ no weapon drawn, probably looking confused. If perhaps the cop didn't immediately fucking open fire, they could've done something like....make sure said dude wasn't an escaping hostage. Crazy thought, eh? I know, tons of criminals who are holding hostages answer the door unarmed when the cops come around, that's totally sensible. Once again, it amazes me how you'll fight forever against capital punishment of criminals found guilty in a court of law and through a decade of appeals, yet will equally fight hard to defend extra-judicial murder by the state of innocent people when it's a cop doing it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aaantlion 09/16/19 2:40:45 AM #14: |
streamofthesky posted...
Aaantlion posted......which is reasonable when dispatch tells you that an armed suspect is holding a family hostage and threatening to burn the building down with the hostages in there. The officer never heard the phone call -- where the guy is giggling at times -- he only heard dispatch who reported it as an actual threat which, in all honesty, they kinda *have* to. They didn't open fire UNTIL he lowered his arms. Dispatch reported that not only was he armed and dangerous, but he'd already killed one person. There's every reasonable expectation that if the situation wasn't properly contained, more people would die. streamofthesky posted... Once again, it amazes me how you'll fight forever against capital punishment of criminals found guilty in a court of law and through a decade of appeals, yet will equally fight hard to defend extra-judicial murder by the state of innocent people when it's a cop doing it. For starters, that's not even close to extrajudicial murder and it's a conflation so flagrant that it boggles the imagination. And while I frown on actual extrajudicial murders (like Duterte's actions where people go in intending to suspects), there is no comparison -- absolutely none -- between that and the death penalty. When an officer uses a weapon in the field, it's to subdue a threat. All executions involve already subdued threats. --- (\/)(\/)|-| ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeeVees 09/16/19 2:57:29 AM #15: |
too bad it's not death penalty
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Zikten 09/16/19 3:02:57 AM #16: |
Aaantlion posted...
while interacting with a suspect who ignored orders. he did'n't ignore orders he was confused. the whole thing took place over like 10 seconds supposedly. and he died never understanding what was happening. he may not have even had time to realize they were cops. he opened the door and saw people with guns screaming. and he may have gone into a state of shock. and then he got killed. it's well documented that sometimes people freeze up in situations like that. he might not have even heard their shouts. or understood what they were saying. cause of the mental state of shock he entered ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 09/16/19 5:00:01 AM #17: |
Krow_Incarnate posted...
Good on that judge. Fuck this kid and anyone who thinks this shit is a joke. Yeah. No mercy for swatters. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blighboy 09/16/19 7:03:07 AM #18: |
Aaantlion posted...
Imagine being able to operate on somebody just because you're doing your job as a surgeon. That would never work for a civilian. You know surgeons are held accountable if they fuck up a patient, right --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sodium-chloride 09/16/19 8:11:31 AM #19: |
Blighboy posted...
Aaantlion posted...Imagine being able to operate on somebody just because you're doing your job as a surgeon. That would never work for a civilian. Lol seriously how does Zeus come up with this shit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 09/16/19 8:43:45 AM #20: |
Good. Fuck em
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 8:57:33 AM #21: |
streamofthesky posted...
yet will equally fight hard to defend extra-judicial murder by the state of innocent people when it's a cop doing it.Do you really think this cop woke up that day wanting to kill someone? Sure, it would be really nice if we didnt have nervous, cowardly cops but I dont believe the cop deserves a prison sentence here. Firing would be sufficient ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Conner4REAL 09/16/19 2:17:59 PM #22: |
15 months is a joke-
It should be 15 years no parole. --- "I pet my dog I don't eat it" ~ Lemone ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DDirtyDastard 09/16/19 3:14:38 PM #23: |
That kid won't last two minutes in that world. Nasty Nate is coming for him.
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SunWuKung420 09/16/19 4:30:24 PM #24: |
He got a completely innocent man killed over $1.50.
He won't fare well in prison but consequences are consequences. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SkynyrdRocker 09/16/19 5:07:38 PM #25: |
Krow_Incarnate posted...
Good on that judge. Fuck this kid and anyone who thinks this shit is a joke. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanonsSpirit 09/16/19 5:18:26 PM #26: |
Full Throttle posted...
As for the officer who shot Finch, the local district attorney REFUSES to charge the officer because he thought Finch was "reaching" for a gun at the time of the door opening This is what they went with? The body cam footage shows him put his hand up to his face, because there's a spotlight directed at him. Even in the low-quality video, you can tell he's unarmed. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[|||||||||||||]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 09/16/19 5:31:04 PM #27: |
OhhhJa posted...
streamofthesky posted...yet will equally fight hard to defend extra-judicial murder by the state of innocent people when it's a cop doing it.Do you really think this cop woke up that day wanting to kill someone? Sure, it would be really nice if we didnt have nervous, cowardly cops but I dont believe the cop deserves a prison sentence here. Firing would be sufficient He wasn't even fired, though. And no, I don't care if he became a cop b/c he wanted to shoot people or he's just a jittery coward. He fucking immediately opened fire on and killed an unarmed man. He should be in jail for manslaughter at a minimum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ForteEXE3850 09/16/19 6:10:20 PM #28: |
The prosecutor was being a douche.
Typically, prosecutors will threaten with the highest punishment possible if you refuse to plead guilty (guilty or not), and say they will give you the lightest punishment if you just plead guilty. It makes their cases go through much faster with less work and with lots of wins on their record. They don't give a crap that someone died, they just want their job to be easy. --- Mwahahahaha. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 6:17:45 PM #29: |
streamofthesky posted...
He should be in jail for manslaughter at a minimum.Disagree. Nobody is gonna want to be a cop if they know that making a mistake will land them in prison. I think it's safe to say that pretty much anyone would be on edge if they were responding to that situation. Nobody should receive a prison sentence except for this piece of shit gamer. The cop should be fired for being inept though ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanonsSpirit 09/16/19 7:15:52 PM #30: |
OhhhJa posted...
I think it's safe to say that pretty much anyone would be on edge if they were responding to that situation. Except all the other police that were there, I guess. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[|||||||||||||]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 7:23:59 PM #31: |
GanonsSpirit posted...
Except all the other police that were there, I guess.I'm sure they were on edge too. Just because they didnt open fire doesnt mean they weren't nervous. Police are humans too. They arent the terminator. Responding to potentially lethal situations without fear is either insane or totally badass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blighboy 09/16/19 7:28:15 PM #32: |
OhhhJa posted...
Responding to potentially lethal situations without fear is either insane or totally badass And yet the victim is expected to do it without any training. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 7:31:26 PM #33: |
Not surprised you guys are missing the point
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Black_Crusher 09/16/19 8:03:31 PM #34: |
Krow_Incarnate posted...
Good on that judge. Fuck this kid and anyone who thinks this shit is a joke. 100% --- My roguelike, Equin: The Lantern! https://store.steampowered.com/app/547980/Equin_The_Lantern/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 09/16/19 8:48:49 PM #35: |
OhhhJa posted...
Not surprised you guys are missing the point I think the point you're making is that you're a bootlicker --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 8:54:16 PM #36: |
Jen0125 posted...
I think the point you're making is that you're a bootlickerUsually, people who use that term unironically are raging forum nerd sjws. But anyway, I've talked openly here often about my disdain for cops. But I also am not going to advocate giving a cop a murder sentence when the gamer that called it in is really the idiot to blame here. The cop I'm sure already feels terrible about it and its ridiculous to suggest he should face prison time for being inept ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanonsSpirit 09/16/19 9:34:37 PM #37: |
OhhhJa posted...
its ridiculous to suggest he should face prison time for being inept No it isn't. Cops should be held to a higher standard than civilians, not a lower one. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[|||||||||||||]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 9:36:52 PM #38: |
GanonsSpirit posted...
No it isn't. Cops should be held to a higher standard than civilians, not a lower one.Get ready to pay them a lot more than 35 grand a year then because nobody is gonna wanna put themselves in dangerous situations like that while also knowing that they're risking lengthy prison sentences if they fuck up ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanonsSpirit 09/16/19 9:58:33 PM #39: |
OhhhJa posted...
Get ready to pay them a lot more than 35 grand a year then because nobody is gonna wanna put themselves in dangerous situations like that while also knowing that they're risking lengthy prison sentences if they fuck up If it'll get them to stop shooting unarmed people, then ok. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[|||||||||||||]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 09/16/19 10:06:39 PM #40: |
This is a country of 350 million people, many of whom are armed. You're going to hear about this kind of thing happening from time to time no matter how much you pay or train them
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